DISQUS

nicho · 1 year ago

Someone want to close that barn door. I'm busy watching the horse run away.

Indigo · 1 year ago

Will we be seeing a kinder, gentler Hillary?

ekwhite · 1 year ago

Will that be the "New Clinton"?

houstonray · 1 year ago

Too little too late?? Do they have time to turn it around before Pennsylvania?

grandma · 1 year ago

"Senator Clinton was disappointed that meetings with Colombians had occurred. She is a strong opponent of the trade deal," said a Clinton campaign officials speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not given authority to speak publicly. "Over the course of the weekend he recognized he needed to step aside as chief strategist."

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/pr...

nicho · 1 year ago

Indigo 2 minutes ago

Will be seeing a kinder, gentler Hillary?


I will be sending you a bill for a computer monitor. Mine has Diet Coke sprayed all over it.

KatherineHepburnEyes · 1 year ago

They loved Mark Penn until Mark Penn was exposed to the public. Had he not been, Hillary & Co. would have been standing by their man.

I bet Obama doesn't have people working for him who are doing deals with countries around the planet.

downindixie · 1 year ago

Sweeeeeeet!

LunaStick · 1 year ago

I feel empty somehow. Now who am I going to blame for the disaster that is the hillary campaign? Hillary herself?
:)

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

The most important decision a candidate can do to show good judgment is to hire a competent manager. Having to fire one's manager at this stage of the campaign shows poor judgment. Do we really want that someone in the White House answering the phone at 3:00 am? Do we really want that someone with such poor judgment deciding who will be the next Supreme Court justice. I'm more concerned about what type of person a President will appoint than I am the candidate themselves. For instance, the lasting effect of all those Regent University grads in the Justice Department will haunt our courts for decades.

nicho · 1 year ago

Williams says Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Like Rove and Karen Hughes, he's merely changing titles. I'm sure he will be still giving fatally flawed advice.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Penn better be careful, he has pissed off some very nasty customers, especially Uribe.

momby · 1 year ago

They should have canned the poisoned Penn a long time ago. I would have felt a lot better about Hillary's campain had they fired him instead of waiting for him to step down.

Bobby_Sambang · 1 year ago

This is exactly like Bush failing to get rid of myriad incompetant managers--until they have done so much damage that firing them simply writes the last chapter, on the farse.

Hillary is showing you exactly how she would run the country: it's a Master and Commander model. It's brutalist, stubborn, and deaf. In short, the policies may be radically different--but the style and process is 1000% Republican.

Bye Bye Hillary and GFY.

therepguy · 1 year ago

And Hillary wants to be the "Change Agent".... for tha American people... does she think us all to be "dumb asses"?

If so, I can only say 'Hillary your dead wrong"... and this little dust up your done for!

Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago

Bush's "surge" is impotent....

US soldiers killed in Green Zone
Three US service personnel have been killed and 31 wounded by rocket attacks on the Green Zone and a base elsewhere in Baghdad, the US military has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7333806.stm

maxstar212 · 1 year ago

he is fat, old and ugly. That frog face and way of speaking is not what works on TV. And working for Burston Marsteller automatically gave the campaign he was associated with bad press. It is America and the way people look on TV matters.

ccokz · 1 year ago

Mark Penn is fired

green zone cartoon: in a nutshell

3 US soldiers killed

foolme1ns · 1 year ago

well, here I thought Hillary had actually done something right, but this is just more triangulating and manipulating. Why did I expect any differently? A leopard can't change its spots. This isn't about Mark Penn quitting, it's about Hillary Clinton's inability to do the right thing......again.

Jamra · 1 year ago

foolme1ns: "This isn't about Mark Penn quitting, it's about Hillary Clinton's inability to do the right thing......again."

So true. It makes me wonder, with all Hillary's corruption, lies, deceit, and racist negative ads ... do we really want to welcome her supporters over to Obama once he wins the nomination? The Shillary supporters seem to be drawn to evil if it's true about Hillary's dishonestly.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Mark Penn may have been fired as Hill's cheif strategist, BUT his "company" is still on board doing "Polling & other Consulting" deeds. So let us remember, he may be gone as the big boy but will be available for all kinds of "other" needs.

What a guy...I just wonder what he must have on the Clinton's for them to put up with so much sturm und drang from him...
.

Confusion · 1 year ago

Confusion think..McBushy use 'surge' (walking over dead soldiers bodys) as political shield to catapult war and propaganda past 08 election. McBushy/McChaney/McCrazy are lowest form of humanity...war criminals all.

Morpheus · 1 year ago

Please, Oh Please God, make Hillary follow Mark Penn's lead.

Jamra · 1 year ago

Billary and Slick Willy have run such a divisive campaign. Everyone is sick of their partisanship and demonization of decent Republicans. At least Obama is willing to drop the juvenile bickering and work with the GOP in order to get compromise legislation passed. I have a very bad feeling about McCain choosing Condi Rice as his VP. This has captured a lot of media buzz and everyone is saying the Republicans might be the most progressive after all. If the GOP manages to get both a black and a woman elected, they will have accomplished the biggest coup in history. Shillary and her hateful politics needs to quit the campaign now and let Obama unify everyone. If the rumors are true and he chooses a moderate Republican running mate, he'll have a much better chance against McCain.

Jessica54 · 1 year ago

They release the tax returns on a Friday. Now Mark Penn "resigns" on a Sunday. Lame.

lynchie · 1 year ago

OT: Condi is lobbying to be the VP running mate with McCain.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/gop-st...


The party strategist said Rice could represent an ideal vice presidential candidate when paired with the Arizona senator, who is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

I think that instead of a medical test the GOP needs to do a mental test. Who iin hell could possible think this Bush enabler could function as VP. Even more frightening is that if McCain is elected a year later he will drop dead and she will become the de facto President. Forget drinking the Koolaid. I will simply make a bunch of cookies with rat poison and drive into the Allegheny River to end it all. They are nothing but delusional. Condi actually believes she did an excellent job and you know what the 30% agree with her. Meanwhile we are squabbling and McCain gets to run a bunch of assholes up the flagpole to see who the base likes best.
I give, I am going to bed and I am not reading any more crap like this tonite.
wait till Russert and Mathews and of course Faux News have to say about this little turn of events.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Funny how everybody assumes the Clinton Campaign triggered this.

My guess is that Burson-Marsteller ordered him to choose between them or Hillary.

I mean, his moonlighting did cause them to lose a potentially big account.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Condi's testimony at the 911 Commission will make great campaign ad material....

Tom3 · 1 year ago

Mark Penn... still doing PUSH polling and giving BAD advice.

There, fixed your typos.

Tom3 · 1 year ago

"Too little too late?? Do they have time to turn it around before Pennsylvania?"

Bill said Hill had to win Texas to stay in the race. She lost Texas.

Its way past too late. She cannot win, but she can damage the party enough to let McCain win.

McCain is in a statistical dead heat with either Hillary or Obama.

That's not enough to beat the Diebold spread. Hillary may cost us the election.

Tom3 · 1 year ago

"They release the tax returns on a Friday. Now Mark Penn "resigns" on a Sunday."

Karla Rove has taught Hillary well. She knows how to play the corporate media game. She's pals with Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellonhead Scaife now.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Of course, the fact that Penn chose Burson-Marsteller over Hillary gives a good idea what he thinks of Hillary's chances.

Would he resign from the campaign if he thought she was going to be the next president? I think not.

reflux1000 · 1 year ago

Clinton knew he was going down there and why he was going.

Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago

On ``Penn gave up his job,''

Clinton campaign advisers made clear that he was all but forced out

It's not as if that weren't obvious, already, but I didn't see Joe mention it.

gustavmahler · 1 year ago

I don't see how Penn was forced out. The article clearly says that he asked to be demoted. He is not fired. What is amazing to me is why Hillary didn't just fire him. Read the article, the Clintons are connected to Penn, they refused to hire another pollster, they fired their most trusted employee who begged them to let Penn go. There is something else going on here. Penn is just another strategist now, Wolfson and Ickes taking over the rest. Hillary owes Penn $10 million, maybe that is the reason.

Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago

Yeah, just like how Nixon resigned.

He was forced out, if for no other reason than so the Hillary campaign could say, ``We forced him out, so you can't talk about this anymore.''

Jamra · 1 year ago

The Clintons are so corrupt it boggles the mind. It hurts me to say this, but the Republicans were right about Bill and Hill back in the 90's. While Bill was committing adultery with a very young intern, Hillary was behind the scenes covering it up and trying to force her socialized medical scheme on the American public. It's refreshing to see people finally waking up to the Clinton crime family's legacy of failure. They need to drop out of the race and stop shaming the Democratic Party.

PeteWa · 1 year ago

The Clintons are just soft right Republicans. Always have been, always will be. They are slightly less corrupt than the average Republican. They are slightly less sleazy. That's why the Republicans hated (or pretended to hate) them so much. The Clintons are just better at the Republicans game-plan than they themselves are, and that pisses them off. But the Bushes and the Reagans and the Nixons and the etc. ad nauseum have them beat hands down as far as being completely amoral fraudulent liars, stealers and cheaters.

Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago

What PeteWa said 2 minutes ago.

vwcat · 1 year ago

It's all smoke and mirrors. Clinton has been caught in several lies this weekend and attempting to poach pledged delegates in N Dakota, ect., She is also starting to get hammered by the whole Penn mess.

The Clintons will never fire Penn. They just changed his title is all. He is still pollster and to give advice. Unofficially he will still be the one with Clinton's ear and decision maker.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Actually this is probably a good move for Clinton. Mark Penn can now run the campaign without being in the spotlight. Think about it, he is still going to give advice and when it is wrong, the nimbo with the title gets to face the press while Mark is comfortable in his office.

tomjuarez · 1 year ago

Too little too late. Bye Hills. Wish I could say it was fun.

dula · 1 year ago

I just wish they would have more loyalty to their country than they do to their careers.

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

Penn quits to spend more time with Aunt Jemima and Mrs Butterworth...

Sage24 · 1 year ago

I have this feeling that he has left officially, but unofficially, he will continue to play a big part, in Hillary's badly run campaign. They need him to continue their slimy republican tactics against Obama. Despite Hillary's "holier than thou" statement about folks in the Obama camp, during the Canadian/NAFTA fiasco, her dear right hand man, Penn, has turned out to be Wiley E. Coyote.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Mark Penn is now to Clinton as Karl Rove wa/is to Bush, responsible for dirty tactics but untouchable.

Chris From Maine · 1 year ago

kinda like how karl rove "resigned" from the White House but continues to do their dirty work right?

please.

and Condi Rice will be Vice President right after George Bush is impeached. (hint : it will never happen.)

jimfromthefoothills · 1 year ago

I actually prefer cunnilingus rice. thank you Dave Chappell. I can say I hate Penn, but he is a symptom. The disease is neo-liberalism. Also known as Clinton, Merkel, Blair, Sarkozy.

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

The disease is neo-liberalism.
This is also known as mommy state.

jr · 1 year ago

smoke and mirrordom from the Clinton camp

Tom3 · 1 year ago

I hope the Repukes are stupid enough to run CuntiSleezy Rice for VP.

She ignored 50 warnings that 9-11 was going to happen.

She called the 8-8-01 PDB a "historical document".

Oh, it was historical alright...just not the way she wanted.

CuntiSleezy Rice also has lesbian baggage and half the GOP will leave the party if she gets outed.

ekwhite · 1 year ago

I don't like Condeleeza Rice any more than you do, but substituting the 'C' word for part of her name is sexist and wrong. Besides which, you spelled 'sleazy' wrong. How about Condesleazy Rice instead?