How about "America will never be at its best around Hillary."
CatelynK
· 1 year ago
I used to be a daily reader of AmericaBlog. It was, in fact, the first blog I ever read. But lately, I've pretty much stayed away. All these anti-Hillary polemics have long since become tiresome and redundant.
If Hillary becomes the nominee, I will support her. Despite disliking Obama's ideas about health care, I have been an enthusiastic supporter all along.
But I won't continue to read snarky post after snarky post about Hillary or Bill Clinton. You've driven your point into the ground. Can we get back to some of the insightful posts and determined actions that made me a fan in the first place? Or will you remain stuck in this rut?
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hillary will only be the nominee at this point if the Superdelegates steal it for her.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Catelyn, I'm sorry, but you don't get it. 4 days ago Hillary espoused outright racism. Two days ago, her husband told West Virginians that Obama "mocks" them. And your upset that we are critical of Hillary. I'm sorry, but you don't understand our point at all. She has lost the election and now is trying to destroy our nominee so that he will lose in the fall. We're going to give her the same treatment until she stops, or is herself just as wounded. We're not writing this to make a point, we're writing this to stop her from destroying our party. And yeah, we're going to continue writing about her scandals as long as she keeps espousing racism and smearing Obama. If she's going to try to take Obama down, then she will get the same treatment.
And as an aside, I didn't notice you mentioning having any problem with any of Hillary's or Bill's comments.
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
"We're going to give her the same treatment until she stops, or is herself just as wounded."
--John Aravosis--
If Hillary were not STARK RAVING MAD, maybe the MAD scenario would lead her to compromise.
But I don't think so.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
BigSky, she isn't the target. The Superdelegates and the congressional leadership, and the media, are the targets. They aren't willing to accept a Democratic civil war started by Hillary. And if it takes taking us to the brink of one to stop her from destroying our nominee, and to finally give the SuperDs the courage to make up their minds, then so be it. But again, this isn't about influencing Hillary because, well, I'd agree with you - I don't think she can be influenced by reason, otherwise she wouldn't still be running.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hi John...I always enjoy reading the threads when I know that you're actively participating...makes it more interesting.
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
"So be it" is right, sir. So be it.
She has started something that we had better finish before she does. We have gone way way past the point of no return. She will stop at nothing.
The American people have a personal beef with Hillary and she never turns the other cheek. Obama is catching it directly but we are the collateral damage.
gustavmahler
· 1 year ago
I come here more than 3 times a day to see what you have to say. I appreciate you pointing out what is going on with Hillary. She is exhibiting more than 7 traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. In a way I feel sorry for her but on the other hand, she is bringing this on herself. It is not our fault she cannot see what she is doing but more and more the MSM is starting to turn against her. She was booed in Sheperdsville, WV, where is that story? Anyway, keep up the good work John, even when I disagree with you, I still value your opinions and you frequently give me something to think about. P.S. It is not bashing Hillary to point out the damage she is causing to herself and her party.
AdrianBrowne
· 1 year ago
It's called a Clintonectomy and I promise it won't hurt.
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
"It's called a Clintonectomy and I promise it won't hurt."
OH!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Nigel
That was quite a diary over at kos. That's the Hillary that people suspect but have not seen. Too bad.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
aquarius: the mask drops every so often, more with Bill when he starts pointing that finger and speaking as if outraged someone would suggest THEY are not going to win. As for those that come here and continue to complain about John being negative to Hillary I might suggest that this is the same as pornography and censorship. If no one buys or reads Huster it goes out of business. Everything in life is a choice. It is why I don't listen to Rush, Hannity, O"reilly or Fox. I choose not to, I don't agree with what they say but don't belabor the difference in positions. I know what I like and have never trolled a right wing site with a view to changing anything or even stirring up the pot. Waste of energy.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Well, Lynchie, I don't mind feedback from readers because it actually does matter. Especially from readers who have been here a while, and who have become pen pals. So, I mean, I'm not going to knock Catelyn for speaking her piece, but I will respond strongly with my thoughts as well :-)
shanobama
· 1 year ago
I think it is because Hillary has been balls to the wall in attacking Obama. Obama has been restrained in his attacks on Hillary, he said so himself, for the good of the party. She is, after all, the wife of what was once a pretty loved Democratic president.
So, it is probably the tension of this dynamic.
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
Dead men tell no tales.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Obama/Webb
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
I have decided that short of a Kucinich or Feingold...Well, maybe Feingold maybe not, that I simply am not comfortable with any long-term incumbent. I do recognize the need though.
Sigh
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
At this point, I don't give a rat's ass about reconciliation.
Run Hillary out of town.
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
hillary can still steal this nomination. it is not over until she says its over. obama has to win at least half of the popular vote on tuesday in order to take the wind out of her sail.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I think it is because Hillary has been balls to the wall in attacking Obama. Obama has been restrained in his attacks on Hillary, he said so himself, for the good of the party. She is, after all, the wife of what was once a pretty loved Democratic president.
So, it is probably the tension of this dynamic.
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Obama was in a tight spot for another reason too.
If Obama hit back hard at Hillary, he would have been finished.
Hillary knew this and was trying her damnedess to make him snap at her.
Fortunately, he didn't rise to the bait.
(I can't say I would have had such self control.)
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
I like Maureen when she is spot on like this. I like her snark too but it is the pieces like these that I remember
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
I cannot even imagine a scenario where Michelle Obama would find a Hillary Vice Presidency a tenable situation.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I cannot imagine a scenario where anybody in their right mind would want Hillary for a Vice President.
MacDaffy
· 1 year ago
Having Johnson as his vice-president didn't work out too well for Kennedy...
I can imagine several scenarios where President Obama's Justice Dept. led by John Edwards puts Hillary in prison. Her, Lieberman and the Bush administration.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Let's start with investigating the Bush administration first...
BigSkyHelicopter
· 1 year ago
"Let's start with investigating the Bush administration first..."
Well of course, Jim. Strangely there are people even more deserving of attention from law enforcement than Hillary.
All good things, you know?
Butch1
· 1 year ago
I do not think Sen. Clinton can erase all the remarks aimed at Sen. Obama to become a Vice President. There has been too much "blood under the bridge" for her to now say I was only campaigning and didn't mean any of it.
I also agree, having former President Clinton ready to butt in on a moments notice would make Obama look like the "Junior President" when around Bill or Hillary and they wouldn't waste time showing him he was the novice and that they should have been the "rightful owners" of the residence. It will never work and we need new blood in that position and one who would be on board with Obama from the beginning and not waiting for the moment to make him look weak.
Amicus
· 1 year ago
Hillary is like that lover your friends always hate because they bring out the worst in you
I'm tired of you guys taking about my ex's like they were all Darth Vadar. I know there was good in them still ...
... uh, joking aside, Hillary on The Hill or Hillary in a Bunker (although with luck, she wouldn't have tie-break Senate votes very often)? How do you calculate the odds on which is better/worse, from a political power consolidation perspective?
We forget that Hillary is, in fact, a lot older and more experienced that Barack. He shows a kind of deference to a lot of the more senior Senators in the Senate, yes?
doggril
· 1 year ago
Jesus, John, at this point, Hillary could singlehandedly cure cancer and eliminate poverty and you'd complain that she just did it for attention. Your clear hatred of HIllary's coloring all your posts is really getting tiring. I'm at the point of changing my hopepage away from Americablog because I'm fed up with the gratuitous Hillary-bashing. And if it's wearing on me, someone who is no fan of Hillary's, god knows how many others you're alienating. We get it. We do. You don't like Hillary. Enough already.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Hammer and tongs until she drops out. Full speed ahead, John.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
When Rasmussen stops tracking you in polls, dear Hillary, it is no longer a close race. It is no longer a race at all.
Hillary and Bill kept acting like it was a close race after IN and NC. No, she lost. She cannot possibly catch up no matter what she does. For Bill and Hill to go on attacking the Democratic nominee means they are only in this for themselves. Not you, not me, and not for the Democratic win in November.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
doggril 0 minutes ago ----------------------------------------------- While I truly understand your wanting to protect your candidate, you do have to look past the feelings and see that both she and Bill are truly doing damage to both Obama and the party, no?
doggril
· 1 year ago
Gustav- So much of this whole "tide turning" meme is simple spin, fed by a press corps who never, ever liked Hillary. Basically, it's still a close race (and no one has, to this point, put forth much of an argument as to why that's a bad thing). So I had to chuckle when you referred to the press corps as "turning" on Hillary. I really thought the Dems were smarter than the Republicans when it came to sorting the spin from the news; alas, that does not appear to be the case.
catty
· 1 year ago
You also forgot she is self entitled and this is suppose to be her right.She's also the most slimey dishonest superficial dirty race baiters that is in politics.
They spent over half of this primary spreading dirt on Obama i.e. giving the Rev Wright information,according to Rush Limbaugh was given to hannity & combs who didn't bite, fnally Abc Brian Ross ran withe story.Limbaugh said she didn't want to lose the minority vote and wanted to keep her hands clean.Rush said she even told Brian what specific video to watch.
Ironically she has lost the minority vote anyway.On youtube search the clinton chronicles 1-11,the mena conection,hillary's baggage,hillary the movie,and bosnia and back again. You will get the full picture of who these corrupt twosomes really are!!! Dirty money follows them ~
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
doggril 1 minute ago ================================== Ahhh, I see, you are not really so much a Hillary supporter as a Democratic foe. Sometimes it does take time to see the entire picture, sorry you haven't found your candidate in Obama as I do believe he is the nominee, like it or not. Hopefully you will join the party in voting for our candidate against the Republican choice of McSame.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
If Obama chooses Pinnochio as his VP, it will be the worst mistake in his life. The ticket by itself will be weak, because there will be a black candidate, and a woman candidate, that is a negative. Besides that, Hillary will be the worst woman he could pick to run with him. Her high negatives, the lies, the toilet sink tactics, the attacks, the insults, endorsing McCain over Obama, her badly run campaign, the mismanagement of funding, you name it, it is all there. I think Obama has more self respect and intelligence than that.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Sage24 0 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------- I truly do not think that Obama is even tempted to take her onto his ballot, no matter what is being discussed in private. Hillary (and BILL) will NOT be the type who relish the background NOR taking orders especially coming from a supposed no-name man (and I am being delicate here in light of her comments).
Both Hill and Bill will continue to make trouble be they in or out of the oval office.
catty
· 1 year ago
Plus the fact that she and Bill ARE HEADED TO COURT RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTIONS for campaign fraud perjury and obstruction of justice.I read this article on politico.com 3-25 08 This is huge,Hillary is caught on tape by fundraiser peter paul lying as usual.The judge that has the case postponed things until then.He (judge) is friends with Bills' lawyer.The clintons needed this campaign win, to make this cases go away ,like alot of others cases in the past got thrown out of court by their friends.
Ekim
· 1 year ago
I have been for Obama all along and a reader of AmericaBlog, but when your Hillary hatred leads you to admire anything Maureen Dowd writes, you have lost me. Bye
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Ekim 2 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------ When you use something that a blog says to actually SWAY your vote, I can't believe that your vote was ever truly from your own heart and intellect.
If this is all it takes to make you vote for the opposing party, than I would suggest that you were never really seriously considering what the Democratic candidate EVER stood for in the first place.
.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Yeah, whatever Ekim. You're leaving the blog because I complimented Maureen Dowd. Please.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
No/Clintons '08
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
catty 14 minutes ago -------------------------------------------------------------- If you have information and links to share with the group, it is best to give an URL to the actual link from which you are citing.
The link you gave is just for the general Politico. com site and not to any specific article, nor (when searched) was I able to find anything linking to it.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
2 + 2 = 4 is a true statement, even if Hitler uttered it.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
Most of the column is fun but, I don wonder about something. Hillary is only a couple years younger than Obama's mom. Maybe it's that mother thing and him being hard core or tough with her is like getting nasty at your mother. Maybe he feels that automatic respect you feel for people your mother's age because of the way you are raised so, being nasty to Hillary is being way too disrespectful towards someone who is your mother's peer.
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
We've had a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket since 1981
In office since 1981, on the ticket since 1980.
But thank you for mentioning it. I haven't seen anyone else talking about it. I think this has been the longest dynastic period in US history.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Obama's statements are measured and substantial across the board.
This is why I like him and it's going to be a refreshing change.
Miket298
· 1 year ago
Probably a moot point but #4 isn't technically correct because there wasn't a Clinton on the ticket for the 2000 presidential race
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Mike, I wrote Clinton OR Bush. 1980 Bush. 1984 Bush. 1988 Bush. 1992. Bush/Clinton. 1996 Clinton. 2000 Bush. 2004 Bush. 2008 Clinton
Miket298
· 1 year ago
My Mistake sorry :-)
In a message dated 5/11/2008 11:49:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes:
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
"How much better off are you now than you were in 1980?" - BHO
catty
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics I'm sorry here's the actual site about the clinton suit. www.peterfpaul.com,orwww.paulvclinton.com. you can also google clinton vs peter paul and see the actual court papers in california the court. This is the largest election fraud case ever.The case is going to cause them problems for sure~
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
Hillary should not be rewarded for her actions during this primary season. She should be shunned from the party. She has nearly handed the election to McBush.
Obama can do much better, like Wes Clark or John Edwards.
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
btw.. there has been a Bush or Clinton in the White House EVERY YEAR OF MY LIFE!
econt
· 1 year ago
Obama is too smart to choose her as a VP. He will not choose a VP who would spend her time undermining him at every turn......and Bill running off at the mouth or offering his advice. As the nominee - he is entitled to his choice, not her demands. It is time for the supers to shut her down. No more attacks on our nominee, no more race baiting.....just GO AWAY. I live in OR and our gov endorsed her and our senator is waiting until after the primary to endorse.. I have been calling and emailing their offices to ask them to help shut her down now instead of later. If you have a super in your area that is supporting Clinton or uncommitted - call them NOW....It's sad, but we have to push them to act.
Jessica54
· 1 year ago
Obama could never have a VP who has claimed he is not ready to be commander-in-chief, while at the same time endorsing McCain (i.e. "McCain has crossed the threshold"). All the GOP has to do is run those clips on a loop.
bernardaB
· 1 year ago
Dowd, like many who hate Clinton, refers to her as Hillary, but on the other hand it is always Obama and not Barack. It is a means of denigration(oops, now I will be accused of racism). As usual, Dowd just rolls out her unsupported biases - oops, opinion. She takes her wishes for horses. Using that Dowd woman as support for criticizing Clinton is just unbelievable.
Anyway, Clinton would have more influence in the Senate than as VP. She has a safe seat and would be foolish to leave it.
econt
· 1 year ago
Her support will erode if she continues....she's only where she is because of Bill Clinton (pretty sad for a feminists).....and they've both tarnished the Clinton brand in this election. Having the name Clinton or being married to a former President won't help her if her colleagues think she is dividing the party and race baiting. And being the First lady of Arkansas and the First Lady of the US - does not make you ready on day one...unless she has to plan a state dinner or choose the china pattern. Her one major task as First Lady (healthcare) was an utter failure. If she can't manage the finances of her campaign (20 million in debt) how can she manage the US economy? Loaning your camping 11m and possibly more.....no....that's not elitist.
Ekim
· 1 year ago
I didn't say I was supporting McCain if Clinton won, I said I was leaving the blog--if that's what your comment means. It's hard to tell since I didn't say anything about voting except that I support Obama. I will vote for whatever Democrat the nomination--happily; but then I don't hate Hillary Clinton, I just like Obama better.
I left the blog not just because you complimented Maureen Dowd; it's the accumulation of anti-Hillary material to the exclusion of reason. Dowd is just the last straw.
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
Hillary has been difficult to deal with because he does not want to take the gloves off against a fellow Democrat. Unfortunately, his failure to go negative has been seen as weakness by the Clintons, and they have taken advantage of it. He has no such compunctions against McCain. He has already indicated that the Keating Five scandal is on the table.
Waiting4U
· 1 year ago
John. Um, Kidding, right? Dowd's column is pretty crappy and has been for quite some time. I cannot believe they ever awarded her a Pulitzer. It seems like all of the shrill Hillary-haters, which most of the left bloggers have become, are suddenly adoring the repulsive, laughable, and tacky Dowd. Look, I voted for Obama in the Primary and have been supporting him since Hillary turned me sour on her in March. But all of this over-the-top piling on is silly, distracting and totally unnecessary. She did herself in and can finish the job herself every time she opens her mouth. All of this blogger bashing of her does nothing but make you guys look petulant and leave her looking merely stupid and stubborn. We have our candidate, now, let it go and start focusing on McSame.
bernardaB
· 1 year ago
Like that Dowd woman, nearly all the Obama posters here call one candidate Hillary and they call the other Obama. That is blatant sexism used to demean Clinton, meaning she should stay at home in the kitchen.
Which other male candidates are called by their first name rather than their family name?
One of the reasons that Clinton supporters don't like Obama supporters(not Obama himself)is the total disrespect they show for Clinton, mostly hinting at she is a woman. Obama is much more classy than any of his supporters I have read.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
We call her Hillary and him Obama because she calls herself Hillary, you moron. Look at her Web site home page: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash/
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary doesn't deserve to be dog catcher let alone VP. Her eugenics arguments are destroying our party
RickTaylor
· 1 year ago
"Like that Dowd woman, nearly all the Obama posters here call one candidate Hillary and they call the other Obama. That is blatant sexism used to demean Clinton, meaning she should stay at home in the kitchen."
I see Hillary Clinton's supporters doing exactly the same thing. Here is Hillary Clinton's website: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash It says "Hillary for President."
RickTaylor
· 1 year ago
John, if you read my previous posts, you'll see I'm an Obama supporter who's been horrified at the lengths Clinton is willing to go to to pursue the nomination. So with that in mind, I have to tell you, you're going off the deep end here, citing Maureen Dowd's personality pieces and coming up with "Monica awards." The contest is coming towards an end and one of our goals here is to bring the party together; this isn't helping.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
If you are a 19 year-old, in your entire lifetime there have only been 2 presidential names: Bush and Clinton. Let's do the young folks a favor and stop this madness.
All Comments
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/11/183443/...
If Hillary becomes the nominee, I will support her. Despite disliking Obama's ideas about health care, I have been an enthusiastic supporter all along.
But I won't continue to read snarky post after snarky post about Hillary or Bill Clinton. You've driven your point into the ground. Can we get back to some of the insightful posts and determined actions that made me a fan in the first place? Or will you remain stuck in this rut?
And as an aside, I didn't notice you mentioning having any problem with any of Hillary's or Bill's comments.
--John Aravosis--
If Hillary were not STARK RAVING MAD, maybe the MAD scenario would lead her to compromise.
But I don't think so.
So be it.
She has started something that we had better finish before she does.
We have gone way way past the point of no return.
She will stop at nothing.
The American people have a personal beef with Hillary and she never turns the other cheek.
Obama is catching it directly but we are the collateral damage.
Anyway, keep up the good work John, even when I disagree with you, I still value your opinions and you frequently give me something to think about.
P.S. It is not bashing Hillary to point out the damage she is causing to herself and her party.
OH!
That was quite a diary over at kos. That's the Hillary that people suspect but have not seen. Too bad.
As for those that come here and continue to complain about John being negative to Hillary I might suggest that this is the same as pornography and censorship. If no one buys or reads Huster it goes out of business. Everything in life is a choice. It is why I don't listen to Rush, Hannity, O"reilly or Fox. I choose not to, I don't agree with what they say but don't belabor the difference in positions. I know what I like and have never trolled a right wing site with a view to changing anything or even stirring up the pot. Waste of energy.
Obama has been restrained in his attacks on Hillary, he said so himself, for the good of the party.
She is, after all, the wife of what was once a pretty loved Democratic president.
So, it is probably the tension of this dynamic.
I do recognize the need though.
Sigh
Run Hillary out of town.
Obama has been restrained in his attacks on Hillary, he said so himself, for the good of the party.
She is, after all, the wife of what was once a pretty loved Democratic president.
So, it is probably the tension of this dynamic.
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Obama was in a tight spot for another reason too.
If Obama hit back hard at Hillary, he would have been finished.
Hillary knew this and was trying her damnedess to make him snap at her.
Fortunately, he didn't rise to the bait.
(I can't say I would have had such self control.)
I like her snark too but it is the pieces like these that I remember
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/politics/0...
Her, Lieberman and the Bush administration.
Well of course, Jim. Strangely there are people even more deserving of attention from law enforcement than Hillary.
All good things, you know?
I also agree, having former President Clinton ready to butt in on a moments notice would make Obama look like the "Junior President" when around Bill or Hillary and they wouldn't waste time showing him he was the novice and that they should have been the "rightful owners" of the residence. It will never work and we need new blood in that position and one who would be on board with Obama from the beginning and not waiting for the moment to make him look weak.
I'm tired of you guys taking about my ex's like they were all Darth Vadar. I know there was good in them still ...
... uh, joking aside, Hillary on The Hill or Hillary in a Bunker (although with luck, she wouldn't have tie-break Senate votes very often)? How do you calculate the odds on which is better/worse, from a political power consolidation perspective?
We forget that Hillary is, in fact, a lot older and more experienced that Barack. He shows a kind of deference to a lot of the more senior Senators in the Senate, yes?
Your clear hatred of HIllary's coloring all your posts is really getting tiring. I'm at the point of changing my hopepage away from Americablog because I'm fed up with the gratuitous Hillary-bashing. And if it's wearing on me, someone who is no fan of Hillary's, god knows how many others you're alienating.
We get it. We do. You don't like Hillary. Enough already.
Hillary and Bill kept acting like it was a close race after IN and NC. No, she lost. She cannot possibly catch up no matter what she does. For Bill and Hill to go on attacking the Democratic nominee means they are only in this for themselves. Not you, not me, and not for the Democratic win in November.
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While I truly understand your wanting to protect your candidate, you do have to look past the feelings and see that both she and Bill are truly doing damage to both Obama and the party, no?
So much of this whole "tide turning" meme is simple spin, fed by a press corps who never, ever liked Hillary. Basically, it's still a close race (and no one has, to this point, put forth much of an argument as to why that's a bad thing). So I had to chuckle when you referred to the press corps as "turning" on Hillary.
I really thought the Dems were smarter than the Republicans when it came to sorting the spin from the news; alas, that does not appear to be the case.
They spent over half of this primary spreading dirt on Obama i.e. giving the Rev Wright information,according to Rush Limbaugh was given to hannity & combs who didn't bite, fnally Abc Brian Ross ran withe story.Limbaugh said she didn't want to lose the minority vote and wanted to keep her hands clean.Rush said she even told Brian what specific video to watch.
Ironically she has lost the minority vote anyway.On youtube search the clinton chronicles 1-11,the mena conection,hillary's baggage,hillary the movie,and bosnia and back again. You will get the full picture of who these corrupt twosomes really are!!! Dirty money follows them ~
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Ahhh, I see, you are not really so much a Hillary supporter as a Democratic foe. Sometimes it does take time to see the entire picture, sorry you haven't found your candidate in Obama as I do believe he is the nominee, like it or not. Hopefully you will join the party in voting for our candidate against the Republican choice of McSame.
The ticket by itself will be weak, because there will be a black candidate, and a woman candidate, that is a negative. Besides that, Hillary will be the worst woman he could pick to run with him. Her high negatives, the lies, the toilet sink tactics, the attacks, the insults, endorsing McCain over Obama, her badly run campaign, the mismanagement of funding, you name it, it is all there. I think Obama has more self respect and intelligence than that.
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I truly do not think that Obama is even tempted to take her onto his ballot, no matter what is being discussed in private. Hillary (and BILL) will NOT be the type who relish the background NOR taking orders especially coming from a supposed no-name man (and I am being delicate here in light of her comments).
Both Hill and Bill will continue to make trouble be they in or out of the oval office.
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When you use something that a blog says to actually SWAY your vote, I can't believe that your vote was ever truly from your own heart and intellect.
If this is all it takes to make you vote for the opposing party, than I would suggest that you were never really seriously considering what the Democratic candidate EVER stood for in the first place.
.
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If you have information and links to share with the group, it is best to give an URL to the actual link from which you are citing.
The link you gave is just for the general Politico. com site and not to any specific article, nor (when searched) was I able to find anything linking to it.
In office since 1981, on the ticket since 1980.
But thank you for mentioning it. I haven't seen anyone else talking about it. I think this has been the longest dynastic period in US history.
This is why I like him and it's going to be a refreshing change.
In a message dated 5/11/2008 11:49:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:
www.peterfpaul.com,or www.paulvclinton.com. you can also google clinton vs peter paul and see the actual court papers in california the court. This is the largest election fraud case ever.The case is going to cause them problems for sure~
Obama can do much better, like Wes Clark or John Edwards.
Anyway, Clinton would have more influence in the Senate than as VP. She has a safe seat and would be foolish to leave it.
I left the blog not just because you complimented Maureen Dowd; it's the accumulation of anti-Hillary material to the exclusion of reason. Dowd is just the last straw.
Which other male candidates are called by their first name rather than their family name?
One of the reasons that Clinton supporters don't like Obama supporters(not Obama himself)is the total disrespect they show for Clinton, mostly hinting at she is a woman. Obama is much more classy than any of his supporters I have read.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash/
I see Hillary Clinton's supporters doing exactly the same thing. Here is Hillary Clinton's website: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash It says "Hillary for President."