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AMERICAblog: Merkel phones Pope about Holocaust-denying Bishop

  • Gridlock · 10 months ago
    I have an idea, since he's not budging on his fascist crap.. ban his pointy-hat wearing ass from the country. He is basically endorsing the holocaust denier, so he's guilty by proxy. Bar him from Germany as a result.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    It would delight me to see a woman put these male authoritarian assholes in their place.
  • cosanostradamus · 10 months ago
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    In one of my links, there's a link to a story about SSPX in America, where one of these Nazi priests objects to having a female referee a boys' basketball game, I think it was.

    There was another story about women being unable to think like men, if they still wanted to think like women. The example was, if a lady lawyer is thinking about her court case, then she's not paying attention to her hairdo. And if she's thinking about her hairdo, then she's not paying attention to her case.

    It was brilliant. And the new Pope is one of them, sub rosa (not very).

    It's hard to measure up to the Virgin Mary.
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  • sukabi1 · 10 months ago
    der Popenfurer may see a movement to remove him from his seat if he keeps this up.... it's almost like he's working to destroy the church from the inside...
  • Kiwi Jackson · 10 months ago
    That occurred to me also, but I think it's the incontrovertibiity of his opinions and the absoluteness of his authority he's really keen on. What does Ratsy want besides power over Catholics? More of it. Make the faithful all eat shite and like it.

    Yes, yes, Your Holiness, it tastes just like pineapple.
  • Nazi pope is on dope · 10 months ago
    Please, oh please, I hope he destroys the creepy pedophile religion once and for all! It would be great to see the ignorant, too weak and stupid to believe in themselves religion of child rapists crumble before my eyes! Please, oh please, oh please make my dream come true Nazi Pope Benny the Rat!
  • Jim Olson · 10 months ago
    Isn't it a crime in Germany to be a holocaust-denier? Seems to me that by extension, Benedict could be charged with aiding and abetting. (Though, I have no idea how German law works...) Wouldn't that make the world sit up and take notice? I assume he is still a German citizen.
  • sukabi1 · 10 months ago
    yes it's still a crime... I'd say Benny'd better be careful if he wants to visit his fatherland again...
  • BlueMatt · 10 months ago
    Germany is no a banana republic where international law regarding diplomatic immunity is not respected. No charges will ever be filed, because as pope and consequently head of state of the Holy See he retains diplomatic immunity until the day of his death.
  • nicho · 10 months ago
    He would have dual citizenship -- German and Vatican (which is a sovereign state) and, as a head of state, he would full diplomatic immunity when traveling.
  • An Outhouse · 10 months ago
    Maybe they can declare the Catholic church a hate group or a cult like Scientology and ban it.
  • wearing out my F key · 10 months ago
    "I believe that the historical evidence is strongly against -- is hugely against -- 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler"

    in his defense, this guy learned everything he knows about world war II from watching re-runs of "hogan's heroes".
  • Dave of the Jungle · 10 months ago
    Arrest the Fucking Pope!
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    OT, but CNBC reporting that Linda Chatman Thomsen resigning as Dir. of Div. of Enforcement at SEC...first appointed as counsel there in 1997 and rose in the ranks. Supposedly in light of Madoff scandal, she's submitting resignation this afternoon.

    Probably fired.
  • nicho · 10 months ago
    Holocaust-denying bishop booted as head of Argentine seminary

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/europe/...

    The big question is why, if this guy was excommunicated, was he heading a seminary and, if it's some super right-wing renegade seminary, why are they firing him over this? Something's fishy.
  • cosanostradamus · 10 months ago
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    Opus Dei, SSPX & "Nazi" Popes? Background. And VIDEO!!!
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  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    dinoscopus.blogspot.com for Williamson pronouncements, photos.
  • cosanostradamus · 10 months ago
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    Can that really be him? He has a freakin' BLOG? No way!

    It does seem pompous enough, though.

    And he did have a NAMBLA badge on his home page.
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  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    Here's a take I've used myself. It's the only piece of folklore Catholicism I hang on to: my American-Sicilian sponsor for Confirmation had the habit of confronting people who made outrageous statements and ridicule them to their face with the archetypal hand gesture (va fuculo) and the expression: "The pope is infallable."

    How's that for an insult? 'specially at the Holy Rat. ;)
  • cosanostradamus · 10 months ago
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    Good one.

    Yeah. They may have to rethink that infallibility stuff after Ratso.
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  • Wolfsinger · 10 months ago
    Here is what the Pope has wrought with his adamant decision to back Williamson

    All over the world, men and women, friends and even family, one Jewish, the other Catholic are having this conversation.

    Jewish person to Catholic person...Do you support your Pope's decision on Williamson and if so, what does that mean for you and me?

    What does support for the Pope's position mean for any thinking person Jewish or not, who knows the truth of the Nazi's horrific history of murdering over 6 million Jews?

    Given that the late Pope John Paul publicly apologized for the duplicity of his church during the resistance, how can this Pope, the Catholic Holy See, justify this decision to reinstate Williamson?
  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    Is Angela Merkle a Catholic, I wonder? The reason I'm asking is she seems rather forward in confronting the pope. That'd be the Evangelical Lutheran approach but it might also be the approach to watch for from concerned and progressive Catholics. (I know there are some although they keep a very low profile.)
  • cosanostradamus · 10 months ago
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    Her father was a Protestant minister. Not sure which sect.
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  • aibi · 10 months ago
    Nope, Angela wasn't raised a Catholic; her daddy was a Lutheran pastor. As a Lutheran, I'm sure she feels very comfortable confronting the Pope since that's exactly what Martin Luther did.
  • MNPundit · 10 months ago
    It's always instructive looking at how Germany dealt with its actions in WW2 compared to how Japan dealt with theirs.
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    The Pope can deny anything. But sometimes it comes back to bite his holiness in the papal butt. I just love this picture of Bush in the Vatican giving his good friend Ratzi this tacky gift.

    http://puddydunne.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/b...

    If you look closely at the ten commandments painted on the stick, you will notice that it is the Protestant version, not the Catholic version. In the Protestant version, #4 is “Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy". That is #3 in the Catholic version. The reason for the difference is because at the First Council of Nicea around the year 350 the Church deleted the original second commandment which forbids the making of graven images because the Church found that commandment rather embarrassing. It replaced the missing commandment by splitting the original tenth commandment into the ninth and tenth commandments in the Catholic version. The Protestants later restored the original version, and that is what Bush is handing the pope, who just happens to be a biblical scholar and would certainly notice. In fact, the Pope has his eyes squarely on the original second commandment, the one his Church deliberately deleted. I'd have given Bush credit for this not-so-subtle slap on the pontifical face, but being an idiot, Bush would never have been able to think that deeply. He couldn't even remember to address the Pope as "Your Holiness", instead calling him "sir". Note as well the Great Seal of the United States of America dangling from the end of the stick like a price tag. BTW, the Pope had just given Bush a valuable 17th century lithograph (graven image) of St. Peter’s Square and the colonnades with all the statues (graven images) on top. And of course they are standing in the Vatican surrounded by graven images.
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right.The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.
    http://www.letsrollforums.com/Blog/concordat.jpg

    Hitler greets both Bishop Müller and Abbot Schlachleitner at a Nazi gathering. Bishop Ludwig Müller became Reich Church Bishop. Müller praised the concept of “one mighty, all-embracing German people’s church."
    http://lakewood.connectexpress.com/~holocaustar...

    Papal nuncio Cesare Orsenigo meets Hitler (a Catholic) in Berlin, 1935.
    http://emperor.vwh.net/images/orsen.jpg

    Cardinal Michael Faulhaber blesses the troops.
    http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.67/t.gif

    Nazis and Roman Catholic Cardinals honor Hitler.
    http://emperor.vwh.net/images/bishops.jpg

    Cardinal Bertram played a crucial role in shaping the attitude of the German bishops in relation to the Nazi state.
    http://www.letsrollforums.com/Blog/CardnalBertr...

    Hitler leaving church.
    http://www.tenc.net/vatican/hchurch.jpg

    But the church is not leaving Hitler.
    http://jews-for-allah.org/image/hitler4.jpg

    All in the family.
    http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/Z/P/hitle...

    The wedding of Hermann Gõring was a Catholic ceremony performed by Reichbishop Müller with Hitler as best man.
    http://www.letsrollforums.com/Blog/GorringWeddi...

    Pope JPII's appearance on television show "Queen For A Day".
    http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m202/anunnak...

    BTW, the Church has in recent months began reviving the "Plenary Indulgence". Remember indulgences? Martin Luther had a problem with them when the Church was selling them to raise cash. A plenary indulgence wipes out all the time in Purgatory that a person's soul has accumulated for sins which have been "forgiven" in the confessional. Catholics don't get to just sin, confess, and then get to go directly to heaven. Even though forgiven for the sins they have confessed, they still have to burn in Purgatory for a time after death to atone. Purgatory is exactly like Hell, except it is not forever. However, if a person who has confessed his sins and is in a state of "Sanctifying Grace" also receives a plenary indulgence, then all his/her accumulated time in Purgatory for past sins is erased, and the slate is wiped clean. Or so the theory goes.

    The Church has recently revived the granting of plenary indulgences because of faltering numbers going to confession. In order to receive a plenary indulgence one must have recently gone to confession. The Church is hoping to "reintroduce the concept of personal sin" to the faithful. I should have thought the faithful had seen enough of it in the ranks of the Church. But whatever.
  • jhfbjh · 10 months ago
    "the Germans have outdone themselves in taking a rather outspoken stance against the Pope's rehabilitation of a Holocaust-denying Bishop."

    Damn good for them. That's the sort of commitment to the truth that can help prevent such an atrocity from ever happening again.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 10 months ago
    Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany, so it would be more odd for them not to speak against this.