The same publisher that distributed the 2004 best-seller that took aim at John Kerry’s Vietnam service is planning a summer release of what’s scheduled to be the first critical book on Barack Obama.
FISA. It allows the government to eviscerate the 4th Amendment. It protects Telecoms from criminal charges and law suits, and from being forced to comply with discovery rules -- meaning we never know who they were spying on, like reporters and journalists, 911 commission, Dems, and other critics of Bush Co.
So why is Obama going to vote for it?! Outrageous! I've been an enthusiastic supporter and sent him many hundreds of dollars. Obviously I'll still vote for him. But if he votes for this bill, he'll be just another Dem. We need to hold his feet to the fire -- Change we can believe in!
I've unsubscribed from his Email. And when it asks why, I wrote FISA and a brief explaination. I'm going to call his office at (866) 675-2008. If enough of us communicate our deep disappointment, maybe he'll reconsider his vote. He's getting his money from people like us; It makes no sense for him to vote for this bill. Why is he doing it? We want change we can believe in!
hunt
· 1 year ago
Here's Obama's Senate office: He needs to be a leader on this critical FISA issue!
Washington D.C. Office 713 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510 (202) 224-2854 (202) 228-4260 fax (202 228-1404 TDD
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· 1 year ago
Why did Pelosi bring this up, forcing Obama to vote for it? She could have tabled it just like "impeachment is off the table." I think it was to force him to support giving them all immunity for being complicit in torture and wiretapping regular citizens. She has so got to go.
Sheehan 08!
hunt
· 1 year ago
Why is he "forced" to vote for it? Is he a leader or not?
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· 1 year ago
Because the American people are idiots so the repukes will bludgeon him on it for the rest of the campaign that "he's supporting the terrorists planning to kill us."
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· 1 year ago
Basically, establishment democrats know that Obama is well liked with the grassroots so this was their time to get him to come out in favor of this bill that would absolve them of their own culpability and silence many of us and I've seen that here. After in office, he wouldn't have.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
He'll try to get amnesty pulled out of the bill, but I don't think it's going to happen.
They got 51 votes (if you count Lieberman--and I don't) and none of them want to go into November as the party against fighting terrorism.
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· 1 year ago
You can tell how the democrats kept bringing it up for a vote and then meeting overwhelming negative response from grassroots democrats then filing it away for a few months and then bringing it back. Gah I hate Hoyer. Pelosi better have a rock to crawl and hide under for not impeaching when the adminstration attacks Iran and the consequences for us. Goddamn them all.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Yeah, they should have punted until they had a firm majority and possibly a Dem president.
Then they could have passed a reasonable FISA law without amnesty.
(Then again, I might be in the minority here. I don't mind the spying as long as it goes through a FISA court. It was Bush cutting out checks and balances and giving the Telecoms amnesty that bothered me.)
hunt
· 1 year ago
This FISA bill gives Bush the whole kitchen sink...no need to go through the court, if Bush says it's too important. and of course protects Telecoms.
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· 1 year ago
The DLC has put Obama on notice...
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
Oh well, it's only the Fourth Amendment that will suffer control/alt/delete. Broader scale it's only the Bill of Rights that's being gutted to thunderous applause within the Congress.
And we're so fortunate that the silly old documents are now safely stored away, but available for viewing to those that hold onto quaint notions of democracy and civil rights. And besides, we have the Patriot Act(s) and the Military Commissions Act to use as a guide to becoming a new world citizen in good standing.
And as long as we stay within government recommendations and don't raise too much of a fuss they will allow us to continue to work and pay taxes to fund charitable wars throughout the world. Lucky us.
Where does Obama stand? I anxiously await his leadership.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I'm also disappointed that Obama will vote for this excrement of a bill. Why can't some Dem with some standing in the Senate (and in no danger of losing his/her seat) filibuster this shit? There must be some rule, or procedure, that can be used to put this thing in suspension, until Obama is elected and we get a truly majority Senate.
And don't vote for Pelosi this fall...we need better leadership in the House.
Butch1
· 1 year ago
There is . . . If Reid had the cojones, all he would have to do is NOT bring the bill up for a vote. Leave it for the next President and Congressional session to handle it. But no, they need to help the republicans as much as they can in letting the republicans get as much as they want. I do not expect much from this Congress. They have proven that they don't listen to the people and they prefer kow-towing to the republicans whether they are in the majority or minority. We need new blood in our party, this tired, old blood is anemic.
dad
· 1 year ago
It's a fine line Lieberman's walking and one that could have serious consequences. The Democrats are well-positioned to pick up several Senate seats in November and if he's no longer the 51st vote, Lieberman may find himself facing open calls to throw him out of the caucus. No one likes to play the cuckold for long, sooner or later they ask for a divorce.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
George Carlin dead of heart failure at age 71.
Milli
· 1 year ago
Thank you Nancy Pelosi for being a coward. You make us proud to be Democrats.
Sad to hear about George Carlin. Condolences to his family.
The one time I saw Carlin was years ago in Las Vegas. I had broken my rib earlier in the day in an accident involving the heel of a fat little kid and a water slide (don't ask). Going to that show was one of the most painful and excruciating experiences I have had in my life. Every time I laughed, which was often, it felt like a butcher knife being thrust between my ribs. I was determined to tough the show out though because I had paid good money for those tickets dammit. I was literally in tears by the end of the show and I can honestly say it was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. Not caused by Carlin mind you, it was just that he was too damn funny.
The trip ended on an positive note though when I won $1600 on a slot machine. I still have an annoying bone callous/bump on my ribcage.
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
The ENRON LOOPHOLE WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday said as president he would strengthen government oversight of energy traders he blames in large part for the skyrocketing price of oil. The Democratic candidate's campaign singled out the so-called "Enron loophole" for allowing speculators to run up the cost of fuel by operating outside federal regulation.
Oil closed near $135 a barrel on Friday -- almost double the price a year ago.
"My plan fully closes the Enron loophole and restores commonsense regulation as part of my broader plan to ease the burden for struggling families today while investing in a better future," Obama said in a campaign statement.
Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a Texas Republican who serves as Republican candidate Sen. John McCain's economic adviser wrote the bill that now contains the famous Enron Loophole that allows such energy price rises.
I am so tired of being disappointed every ( and I mean every ) time the democrats kow-tow to this cretin of a president and his minions in Congress.
I can not understand why a party in the majority in both the house and senate do not think they have control of the bills that come up. They do not have to bring a bill up to be voted upon, yet the spineless bastards continue to do the bidding of the republicans and this poor excuse of a president.
I am finished begging, pleading, and asking them to do the right thing and then a week later back having to ask them again regarding the same bill or other problems they should be able to figure out for themselves. I'm tired of it and I'm tired watching them ignore us and continuing to run this country into the ground helping the republicans in the process.
It really doesn't matter whether Lieberman goes with the republicans or not, since we continue to do their bidding whether in the majority or minority. If we are ever going to have a party with cojones again, we need to vote out of office these enablers and elect some real democrats who will stand up for us and fight for us. This bunch is pathetic.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/opinion/23mon...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/business/medi...
The same publisher that distributed the 2004 best-seller that took aim at John Kerry’s Vietnam service is planning a summer release of what’s scheduled to be the first critical book on Barack Obama.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11263...
So why is Obama going to vote for it?! Outrageous! I've been an enthusiastic supporter and sent him many hundreds of dollars. Obviously I'll still vote for him. But if he votes for this bill, he'll be just another Dem. We need to hold his feet to the fire -- Change we can believe in!
I've unsubscribed from his Email. And when it asks why, I wrote FISA and a brief explaination. I'm going to call his office at (866) 675-2008. If enough of us communicate our deep disappointment, maybe he'll reconsider his vote. He's getting his money from people like us; It makes no sense for him to vote for this bill. Why is he doing it? We want change we can believe in!
Washington D.C. Office
713 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-2854
(202) 228-4260 fax
(202 228-1404 TDD
Sheehan 08!
They got 51 votes (if you count Lieberman--and I don't) and none of them want to go into November as the party against fighting terrorism.
Then they could have passed a reasonable FISA law without amnesty.
(Then again, I might be in the minority here. I don't mind the spying as long as it goes through a FISA court. It was Bush cutting out checks and balances and giving the Telecoms amnesty that bothered me.)
And we're so fortunate that the silly old documents are now safely stored away, but available for viewing to those that hold onto quaint notions of democracy and civil rights. And besides, we have the Patriot Act(s) and the Military Commissions Act to use as a guide to becoming a new world citizen in good standing.
And as long as we stay within government recommendations and don't raise too much of a fuss they will allow us to continue to work and pay taxes to fund charitable wars throughout the world. Lucky us.
Where does Obama stand? I anxiously await his leadership.
And don't vote for Pelosi this fall...we need better leadership in the House.
FBI 'to probe Swiss bank UBS' in tax dodging case
Please let this involve Phil Gramm.
The one time I saw Carlin was years ago in Las Vegas. I had broken my rib earlier in the day in an accident involving the heel of a fat little kid and a water slide (don't ask). Going to that show was one of the most painful and excruciating experiences I have had in my life. Every time I laughed, which was often, it felt like a butcher knife being thrust between my ribs. I was determined to tough the show out though because I had paid good money for those tickets dammit. I was literally in tears by the end of the show and I can honestly say it was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. Not caused by Carlin mind you, it was just that he was too damn funny.
The trip ended on an positive note though when I won $1600 on a slot machine. I still have an annoying bone callous/bump on my ribcage.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday said as president he would strengthen government oversight of energy traders he blames in large part for the skyrocketing price of oil.
The Democratic candidate's campaign singled out the so-called "Enron loophole" for allowing speculators to run up the cost of fuel by operating outside federal regulation.
Oil closed near $135 a barrel on Friday -- almost double the price a year ago.
"My plan fully closes the Enron loophole and restores commonsense regulation as part of my broader plan to ease the burden for struggling families today while investing in a better future," Obama said in a campaign statement.
Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a Texas Republican who serves as Republican candidate Sen. John McCain's economic adviser wrote the bill that now contains the famous Enron Loophole that allows such energy price rises.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/22/obam...
I can not understand why a party in the majority in both the house and senate do not think they have control of the bills that come up. They do not have to bring a bill up to be voted upon, yet the spineless bastards continue to do the bidding of the republicans and this poor excuse of a president.
I am finished begging, pleading, and asking them to do the right thing and then a week later back having to ask them again regarding the same bill or other problems they should be able to figure out for themselves. I'm tired of it and I'm tired watching them ignore us and continuing to run this country into the ground helping the republicans in the process.
It really doesn't matter whether Lieberman goes with the republicans or not, since we continue to do their bidding whether in the majority or minority. If we are ever going to have a party with cojones again, we need to vote out of office these enablers and elect some real democrats who will stand up for us and fight for us. This bunch is pathetic.