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AMERICAblog: Monday Morning Open Thread

  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Breakfast TV Talking Heads: WOW! Look at the McCain-Palin Surge! Just look at those polls--it's not even a horse race any more; it's a sprint to the finish. Obama is playing defense now, and the Democrat Party never does well on defense. Palin is pure magic! And the more liberal, coastal elites attack her for any reason, the better the McCain-Palin ticket will do. Mika, a working mom, is outraged at what Sarah has had to endure already, after just a week! Start measuring the curtains in the White House, Cindy McCain!
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Come on...Fess up...You just transcribed Mourning Joe's literal commentary, didn't you?
  • JohnInTexas · 1 year ago
    Isn't Hillary supposed to put on her lipstick and jump in the pit this week?
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I'm waiting for her.

    Give em hell Hill !!
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    The Charlie Gibson interview is gonna be the HUGEST media event of all time. Not that real, normal Americans think she needs to do it; they know her intimately, and as much as they want to know her, after just a 10 minute intro and a 38 minute convention speech. Here's a sample of Palin's first one-on-one:

    Gibson: Governor Palin, do like kittens or puppies more?

    Palin: Well, Charlie, I love all kittens and all puppies.

    Gibson: It's so GREAT that you love kittens AND puppies! Tell us all about your children's great names.
  • JohnInTexas · 1 year ago
    Palin's reply: I love kittens and puppies, with a little salsa and cheese sauce and a bottle of moosehead to wash them down.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Palin's reply: Yes, I adore kittens and puppies....did you know Obama hates them?
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Gibson: And, those windbreakers, the puffy artic coats and that hair, Governor, just how do stay on the cutting edge of fashion?
    Palin: Well, Wassila has a really great Penny's, a Burlington Coat Factory, a Costco Warehouse and several fabulous Dollar stores...I'm just blessed, I guess.

    Wassila Store Directory:
    http://wasillaak.areaguides.net/ypcyellowpg/Sho...
  • mgardener · 1 year ago
    I heard an interesting comment.
    They only call people who are in the book. Most young people who are in their late 20-30's use only cell phones like my 3 kids. They are not reaching this demographic.
    My kids would never vote Republican!
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I've heard that too. I am in the book, they call, they collect the profile information first, and then they tell me that my "category" [strongly liberal, GWM, 65+] is already filled, thanks for my time, good-bye.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I agree on the Polls....I don't think they tell us much right now...until we have at least one or more of the debates.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    I'd like to know if the concept of a post convention bounce pre-dates radio and television...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    ......we are now witnessing what might be called McCain's Palinization. McCain once criticized Christian conservatives as agents of intolerance, but he has caved in to their intolerance of a pro-choice running mate. McCain claims to be devoted to his country, yet he would saddle it with a vice president who is unprepared to serve as commander in chief. In the same sad way, McCain has caved in to his party's anti-tax fanatics. The man of principle has become a panderer. The straight talker flip-flops.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Obama had better do something about the "Change" message being hijacked shamelessly by McPain. Very soon, the naive, and the stupid, in this country, will believe that it was McPain's message in the first place. The Rethugs are brilliant in deceiving the morons in this country. They are unable to comprehend the fact that they have been duped by the present administration, and that the past 8 years have been a miserable failure. Despite the fact that Bush did not take care of them, but only made sure the wealthy got wealthier,
    they blindly believe the crap from the McPain camp.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I know....to believe that McCain represents change takes a real lack of brains.
  • EvilPoet · 1 year ago
    Pushing the polls upwards...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_polling

    *sniff sniff* Is that Eau de Rove that I smell?
    http://www.webdelsol.com/The_Potomac/politics-r...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Anyone notice the NBC bloodbath? Could the past two day have been GE's Weekend of the Long Knives?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/medi...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I don't believe the majority of young voters would support McCain/Palin...

    Palin represents huge steps backwards......at least the youth of today want to more forward...
  • lauren1959 · 1 year ago
    I keep hoping they're not polling the right people; that there are a lot of "unlikely voters" coming out this time...
  • dad · 1 year ago
    What kind of misplaced chivalry would keep the Democrats from calling Sara Palin what she is. An ignorant, misinformed, inexperienced, bigoted fraud. And unless we find a way to do it, she will be running the country before we have time to turn around.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    Sadly, it has proven an easy lesson to impart. Turns out, all it requires is a limitless supply of gall and the inherent belief that people are dumber than a bag of hammers.

    And all it costs us is language, the ability to have reasoned and intelligent political discourse, the idea that words do, and should, have weight, dimension and intrinsic meaning. Maybe you disagree. In which case, let me just say this:

    Piffle crack eat monkey snow. Really.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The revolution will not be televised and, clearly, nonverbal...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Clearly the NBC move wasn't based on any real broadcasting business model:

    Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks.

    And, as Keith often says on air, the audience surge clearly involves the prime demographic which has supplanted "winning" in advertisers planning.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    It's good to be the underdog, because not just Obama, but all of us have to fight to win this election.

    Be constructive, and not complacent.

    Knock on doors! Bypass the media because they are solidly behind the GOP. NBC demoted Olbermann and Matthews from anchors to analysis because they went against the fascist party lies.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    And promoted the absolute worst person on their staff.
    A bootlicking toady and fountain of safe, talking point heavy spin...At least Buchanan's foaming insanity is original.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    ah yes, David Gregory. Bushie's favorite brown noser.
  • BobSmith · 1 year ago
    I truly think it's over for Obama. I've had this nagging feeling since McCain picked Palin. The right is energized, and honestly, nothing anyone says abot her sticks. People all across the country are fascinated with her and especially the middle-class, white, conservative voter.

    The reason so many people tuned in to the RNC convention is because they just wanted make sure voting for the white guy was ok. Obama never really had a chance to win this people over.

    Lastly, the "...my Muslim faith" comment has just sealed the deal for McCain. Don't expect these polls to change much at all.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    The Right would sell their own soul to keep a black out of office.

    And McCain sold his when he picked Palin.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Debates can swing an election.
    They have in the past.

    The fat lady hasn't sung yet !!!
  • dad · 1 year ago
    over? it has only begun.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Bob,

    did you see the actual video, or only the out-of-context editing by GOP operatives? Obama was answering the question, and he made it clear that he was referring to the smears accusing him of being a Muslim.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    dem voter registration is off the charts.
    Palin is mobilizing the left as much, if not more than the right.

    find some way to help...go to moveOn.org for ways to volunteer
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Listen, fella...turn off your nooze box.
    That "nagging feeling" is more likely directly related to viewing impure information.
    If the corporate media and the rest of the crumbling establishment weren’t fearful of Obama's victory they would not have taken the physical and psychological gloves off this early.
    Look back at the Ford senate ran last time in Tennessee...The really overt racist stuff didn't appear until two weeks before the Election Day (sort of like a Friday night news dump).
    Also, look at the trifling questions posed yesterday during the Sunday shows and the manner in which Democratic rebuttals to GOP spin were ignored while the few Republican counters to questions that could be somewhat construed as challenges went unrebuffed...
    People who have ever lived through attempts to form a union at work are familiar with this psychological form of crippling and disheartening an opponent...Though my experiences, obviously, didn't include the subliminal cues infesting corporate media like net boner pop-ups.
    On the subliminal point...Throughout the Republican convention my eyes were bothered by bright flashes occurring randomly, it seemed, on the telescreen behind speakers. I kept looking for a point or reason (like sparkles on letters or light reflection hits off objects) for the flashes but the wide shots always displayed some banal/generic image. I'm curious if any of you all noticed this effect.
  • BobSmith · 1 year ago
    Good point on the Ford senate race. Although, we all know how that turned out. You kinda proved my point.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Points aren't proved until the finish line...
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Oh Oh....the R's have been caught ujsing subliminal messaging to brainwash all of us.....The Horror....the horror...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Trolls are so clever, they think.
    Get lost...
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    I'm surrounded by people who are conservative christians and I can tell you that the only people 'energized' by this candidate are people who were going to vote for McCain anyway. It's kind of funny watching them as each scandal surfaces and they get a little more slouched and ashen, because truly they were initially thrilled with McCain's pick of a 'holier than thou' who turned out to be just 'trashier and sluttier than thou'. Now they kind of don't talk about it much (thanks be to god). The media (and you?) can spin it however they choose but people aren't this dumb. If the republicans win this election it will be the same way they won the last two, by election fraud and vote tampering.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    take a look at this new book out by a former Gallup pollster David Moore -
    It's called The Opinionmakers..."polls report peoples' whims more than their will"

    I think this is the new frontier for the Rovian scammers...manipulate the polls.
    http://www.beacon.org/productdetails.cfm?SKU=4232
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Possibly employing what has been called "Neuro Marketing"
    http://planetsean.blogspot.com/2004/10/reality-...
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Guys, let's not forget that Obama still leads in the Electoral votes. That may change, but still there is some hope.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Back to C span in the morning and good-bye Morning Joe....
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Really...though C-SPIN sickens more often than not.
    I can't forget how they were used as bait prior to Reagan/Fowler media deregulation to illustrate how free markets would pick up the once governmental reins and gallop into a new tomorrow.
    What has C-SPIN really done to inform or educate the public about the actual workings of the House and Senate?
    Sure they toured presidential birthplaces and residences and did an epic House & Garden type series on the US Capitol but bills and issues of real substance (most notably telecom deregulation) were almost completely ignored or presented, in a limited fashion, through purely political perspectives.
    Then, of course, there's the more often than not hate-filled, ignorant phone calls that go completely unchallenged unless some lucky, glib progressive manages a successful call-in and challenge.
  • ydthin · 1 year ago
    yep, C-span is biased. I used to watch regularly years ago and it always cracked me up how they managed to split the calling up in different ways. Tons of people would be incensed about something and calling in so they would split the calls between dem and repub and the repub line would be dead and the dem phone would be all lit up and Brian would be sitting there begging repubs to call in so it would be 'equal' or something, the false middle rides again...people would start calling in on the repub line just to be heard. It got comical but I'm not going to support that garbage, I haven't watched it in ages because it's just another faux objective media outlet. I don't know how big the disconnect has to get between people's actual lives and what the media is selling for people to wake the *$%# up.
  • dad · 1 year ago
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I just read that Palin is in Missouri today with McCain.

    I thought the reason she couldn't give interviews was because she was in Alaska.
  • Gorgonzola · 1 year ago
    How many people have to die in a senseless war? How many jobs have to be sent overseas? How many people have to pushed out of health insurance? How many fascists will we have on the Supreme Court? How much tax has to shifted to the working class. How many people have to be driven into poverty? How much control over our own bodies has to be lost? How much corporate control over our lives must be endured? How much degrading of the Bill of Rights will we accept before we realize that who we vote for has real consequences.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    Come on people.
    A day of weekend polls does not win an election.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    The Big Bad GLBT pages
    Here are the pages that caused the Virginia Republican delegation to cancel their order for The Rake's 2008-09 Secrets of the City Guide to Minneapolis Saint Paul

    http://www.rakemag.com/the-big-bad-glbt-pages
  • tjlabs · 1 year ago
    Extra! Extra!...Bill Krystal hails Prez Palin as first Wal-Mart Mom! Get yur paper here. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/extra-extrare...
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Change? What Change? McCain and Obama get closer to GB's policies every day. Obama will now NOT raise taxes... he states the surge is a success...he votes to fund the war...he's waivering on abortion....he's going to give 'everyone' a tax cut., and he's going to spend money as fast as the Republicans did...Change? No matter who's elected, 'change' is just a word.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    and we're all going to DIE!!!!!!!!!
    oh, the humanity.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    For altogether too many voters, the game is about casting their ballot for the probable winning ticket, not about good sense or necessary reform or even about an intelligent candidate. The winning ticket is what it's about.

    Watch the gambling sites, see how the betting is going, polling is well-known for being slanted, dishonest, and virutally obsolete, valued by the middle-browed. Betting sites might not be middle-brow classy but they're about the money and they don't get it worng.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Anyone else think Chuck Todd is an idiot???? Really., how many times is he going to push the statement "the Obama campaign doesn't know what to do about Palin, they were caught flat footed"

    Hello, earth to Todd. Both Obama and Biden have made verbal responses, the campaign is using female Congress people and more to come.

    I said last week, Obama could do head stands BUT Palin rules the press, even without doing a thing. Get ready for more and more of "rock star Palin"
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    McBush doesn't know what to do with her either.
    i bet he's having panderer's remorse.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    This is why Johnny's crazy ego needs to hear a drumbeat regarding Caribou Barbie overshadowing the top of the ticket...
  • mikeyDe · 1 year ago
    Forget the polls and voter registrations. There's only one fact you need to know: Obama has said he will roll-back corporate tax breaks and increase taxes on the wealthy. This will directly hurt our "owners" and especially the media who now have their 2008 election narrative: the Palin-McCain has come-from-behind against-all-odds with a fast-talking hockey mom who shoots from the hip. Any attempt to question qualifications and fitness will be viewed as mean-spirited and horribly unfair. (Remember the 2000 debacle? in asking for a recount the Florida Supreme Court deprived Bush of his personal constitutional rights. Don't step on Palin's toes.) The Palin-McCain ticket will keep its margin in the national polls and strengthen its precinct margins for a victory in November. The media will declare it a landslide victory and a clear mandate for the Republican agenda.

    I hope I'm wrong.
  • Gorgonzola · 1 year ago
    If its a choice between a highly qualifed black man and a marginaly qualified white man, in America its the white guy hands down.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    that's quite true in McCain's age group-
    not so much with the rest of us.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Here's the change we're talking about, from a diarist at DKos:

    What is needed is "an enormous shift in the entire power structure of our country."
    ---OrangeClouds115

    Change of this magnitude don't come easy. Do something.
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    If you are going to wait around for the 'enormous' change, you are going to get very old first. DKos has made enough of a fool of themselves over the Palin false rumors to be of any consequence in this issue.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    my point is, don't wait around for the change, make it happen.

    without Dkos and the blogs, this story about the Palin pregnancy would not be in the NYT today:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/0...
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Hey, great piece from the NYT....I'm surprised....Anyway, I don't think KOS had any real thing to do with it.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    yes. i thought you'd be surprised and I think you're wrong about KOS. I think you're worried that the blogs are pretty powerful, otherwise you wouldn't be here so often.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Am I the only one not buying this? I'm sorry, but it doesn't wash. If you poll on almost any single issue, the GOP policies lose by either substantial or overwhelming margins -- and they have for years. But, when they do a presidential poll is comes out close to 50-50.

    Someone is purposely rigging those numbers. Go out and take a poll on any issue -- any issue -- and if you get a 50-50 split it will be a fluke. Yet, for the last eight years or so, all presidential polls have been neck and neck.

    But then, if people believe it's that close, they can manufacture any result they want and people won't blink an eye.

    This year should be a slam dunk for Obama. There's something seriously wrong with these numbers.

    And, for the record, I don't believe that more people watched McCain than watched Obama. I can see a high viewership for Palin out of curiosity -- just as everyone slows down to look at a wreck on the highway. But I refuse to believe that nearly 40 million households were hanging on Johnny's every word.
  • mikeyDe · 1 year ago
    Perhaps people who missed Palin but heard the buzz tuned in to get a peek at her and the only other living "Mavrick".

    I left the world of "should be" a long time ago. Oh, sometimes "should" takes over my thinking for a momentary feeling of well-being. But "what is" always comes back to slam me. Obama is a case in point. What would happen, I wondered months ago, if we had a candidate who actually talked about our future and not about corporate America's interests here and abroad. It was nice while it lasted. Now he says the Bush tax cuts should remain in place so long as there's a recession. Heck, it would have been better to agree with the Republicans and say there's no recession just so we could roll back tax breaks for those who don't deserve them. And all that God talk, I'm sick of it. It's going to be a long 60 days.
  • tjlabs · 1 year ago
    You may want to check out this new book entitled "Presidential Elections for Dummies. It.s quite illuminating. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/presidential-...
  • oh_yeah · 1 year ago
    Prezzildent Dispondent: I saw the flashes of light too, no idea what it was - thought maybe camera flashes going off in the crowd, but that didn't seem right, either.

    Why can't I get my posts to show under the post I'm replying to??
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    (flash!!!) Hit reply under the comment you want. (flash!!!)
  • sullivan · 1 year ago
    At several parties this weekend, my concerned democratic friends are all so pessimistic and kept saying things like " We have lost!" They have already turned in their towels. We now need to be energized with clever ads, speeches and rallies. NOW!
    I was disheartened to hear college students call into a show and say they would be happy with either candidate because it is so historic to have a female vp and a black president running. They actually did not see beyond this.
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    CHICAGO (AP) _ Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama held his daughters' hands when he escorted them to their first day of school.

    The girls arrived at the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools Monday in a five-SUV motorcade after a short drive from their South Side home.

    So many questions, so little time !
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    you're wondering why the Secret Service has to safeguard every move the Obama family makes? please.
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Well, OK...let me ask a couple:

    1. Why are his kids in Private School when he votes against school choice for others?

    2. Why has he not been asked if he can be POTUS and still take care of his children?

    3. Why do they need 5 gas guzzeling SUV's instead of three armored cars?

    4. Who is paying the $20,000 per year tuition for his children?
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    I have a question myself. You know the GOPer congressguy Westmoreland, born and raised in Georgia who called Barack and Michelle "uppity" and professed not to know a thing about the incendiary nature of that word?

    Why has no one asked him what he thinks "uppity" means?
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Poor McMeToo, he has change-envy. He's suddenly rushing around ready to change Washington. That's funny.
  • oh_yeah · 1 year ago
    Thanks, that is exactly what I did, and am doing now (I'll scream if this one posts properly and the other didn't). Maybe it's because I login to post?