AMERICAblog: Monica! There, someone finally said it.
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
You just KNOW FOX has Monica lined up for paid interviews...
ronaldsingleterry
· 1 year ago
I thought "M" was BLUE DRESS. . .DNA
ronaldsingleterry
· 1 year ago
I wouldn't allow my Mother or my sisters--and certainly not my 14-year-old niece!!--anywhere within 50 MILES of that manipulating/molesting BILL CLINTON!
I wonder if Hillary knew all along--like McGreevey's wife and the alleged THREESOME stuff? Someone should ask her. THE REPUKES WILL, so we should go ahead and ask now...
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
oh, I thought the M word was "monster"
1BobbyBlue2
· 1 year ago
Will someone please explain what the hell Monica has to do with this election? I'm betting no one can!
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i think it was a non issue then and it's a non issue now.
that had little to do with hillary and, with the abundance of miscues hillary has provided lately, not really necessary.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Ok, I'll say it:
Bubba shot his Billbilly Pecker off in the Oval Office while an Intern was giving him head.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Um, that would be "Hillbilly Pecker."
(And, according to court documents, it's slanted to one side.)
grandma
· 1 year ago
michaelt
I think it is a big issue now.
A woman who called into C span yesterday morning....a democrat....said she could not ever vote for Hillary because she doesn't think young women working in the White House would be safe. (due to Bill's past)
That may sound ridiculous to some.......and a good reason to not vote for her to others.
zihuata
· 1 year ago
Here some pictures of Geroge Bush's Legacy from New Orleans...
I have mentioned this here in another thread...that last week Ed Schultz on Air America said Bill had been put on a diet......of no women for one year......and that he apparently has stuck to it.
I don't know where Ed Schultz gets his information.......but maybe that's why Bill's been so crabby.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
rumors about herself (see, even I'm being nice and hedging here by not giving you details about the rumors - but you can bet they're gonna go public in the fall),
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Oh, you mean the "Hillary is a Lesbian" rumours?
Yeah, I hear that one from a lot of Repubs.
(Frankly, if I thought that was true, I might reconsider voting for her, but it would make those fine, upstanding "Reagan Democrats" she's getting now go straight to McCain.)
grandma
· 1 year ago
Finally...Olberman is on....a voice of sanity in the media
Heywood
· 1 year ago
Have you lost your ever-loving MIND?
That shit will go over like a lead balloon. The REV WRIGHT/REV McCLURKIN stuff, though...that's still FRESH.
That's the lamest thing I've ever seen you put out there. Disappointing.
martha
· 1 year ago
A few months ago I liked her. I just wasn't in to the Bush Clinton Bush Clinton thing so was going with Feingold or Gore and then Obama but would have supported her. But I really hate her now. All this race baiting and lying --- I defended Bill to so many friends and family members even though I could not believe he was so stupid to have the whole Monica thing and then lie to us. But good people really don't want to go there even though she'll say and do anything, no matter how despicable. I was so wrong to defend the Clintons.
Dumbo
· 1 year ago
John, this post is long overdue, and only scratches the surface.
We should take the Clintons at their word. They intend to take this fight to the Convention. They will convince themselves it is the RIGHT thing to do, one way or the other.
Now let me tell you how the die-hard Hillary supporters will respond to any of what you said.
1. Hillary is "fully-vetted," meaning, everybody has heard ALL the shit about Bill and Hillary, so nothing else is left to shock the conscience, therefore the only skeletons left must be in Obama's closet. And they talk endlessly about that closet. Wright was supposed to be "the skeleton" that would bring them to homeplate. Then it was bittergate. More recently, it was "finger-gate." This mantra of Hillary being vetted and Obama not vetted is so ingrained into the conscience that it is not even rationally examined anymore. And their energy is laser-focused on finding that skeleton.
2. Monica was Bill's problem, not Hillary's, they say. Yet somehow they combine this with the belief that Bill only helps Hillary on the campaign trail.
3. Any open discussion of Monica or Bill's blue-dress cumstain or Kathleen Wille or Anita Broderick (who claimed Bill raped her) or the Paula Jones (financed by Scaife) trying to subpoena pictures of Bill Clinton's penis for identification purposes just riles them up. And this is key to understanding what motivates some supporters of the Clintons. They are stuck in a time warp and miss all that! They wish they could fight the good fight again against Chris Matthews and Victoria Toensing and Susan Carpenter-McMillen and Ann Coulter. Those of us that are more worried about a widening of the war in the Middle East aren't on their radar. They won on this turf before, they believe they can again, they feel comfortable with it, and they actually look forward with glee to such a battle. And they may have a point, in that there are many people out there that probably still sucking a sore tooth over the '90s that can be activated by talk of old battles.
4. Anybody that uses old issues from the '90s is so bad, bad, bad that they deserve the kitchen-sink thrown at them.
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It would be tragic if we went all the way through to June 3, only to find out Hillary wasn't going to withdraw, that superdelegates weren't all going to announce, that the convention was going to decide it, and all the old Monica shit had to be thrashed out over the summer, sucking all oxygen out of the fall campaign. But that's what really could happen. Seriously. It could. If we are going to use it, we should use it early, and not be dainty about it. Obama can't do it. We have to do it.
If it were up to me, I'd cut a TV or Youtube ad that had the following. Somebody cleaning through the attic, looking at a pile of old newspapers. One after the other, headline after headline, thirty of them, from real newspapers of the '90s, without comment, including the most outrageous right-wing accusations, not because those accusations were real, but because they remind us about what a silly, petty time the '90s were and how consumed it was with Bill and Hillary and their dramas. Finally, "No more soap operas, please."
And once you start down that path, you can't stop and wait for it to sink in. You have to pursue it doggedly, Swift Boat style.
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
Paula Jones and Co. would love for to be the choosen dem. Lots more money and work for them.
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
Oh. My. God. You got to love the google ads..."Complimentary Monica Ringtones" !? WTF? LOL LOL.
cmpnwtr
· 1 year ago
Obama won't go there for the reasons Kos gives. That doesn't mean the blogs can't go there, John!!! The kitchen sink works both ways!
snowbird42
· 1 year ago
I think the blogesphere needs to remember all the Clinton stuff. All the time We need the Jed Report.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I tend to believe the Anita Broderick thing, by the way.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
mirth--hadn't you heard--Hill got a cash infusion after her "victory". She can pay the Hillbots again, for a little while....
Jimbo62
· 1 year ago
Great post, John. I had a heated debate on Hillary and Barack last night with a fellow professor (female), who threw every Clinton talking point at me she could. I didn't hold back, it was brutal. It was one massive blame game. She blamed the media, claiming they are sexist and have been tearing her down and coddling him. She said he has a glass jaw, hasn't been vetted and basically came up with all sorts of rationalizations about why she has lost this thing. And at one point I said the word Monica in response to her claiming that the right will bring up Rev. Wright. Man, she went balistic. But the argument was very revealing to me. Hillary's tactics are causing a huge amount of damage to the democratic party. Women are pissed and feel like if Hillary isn't elected, it will be 50 years before another woman will have a chance. And even though she mostly blamed the media, you could see the hatred she has for Barack.......and all men for that matter. Hillary is proceeding to split our party at the seams. Obama supporters for the most part, don't have that same type of hatred for her. And I think is all has to do with the candidates. Obama is a class act, the Clintons have revealed there true nature.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
The wheels on the bus go round and round Round and round The wheels on the bus go round and round And it's making me dizzy!
hillary believes she can spin straw into gold. Her delusion.
frizbeesf
· 1 year ago
When faced with criticism that this was politics at it's worst rather than a real debate about the issues facing America, Hillary Clinton's well rehearsed reply was Barak Obama was "whining". And if he thought this was bad he would never be able to stand up to what the Republicans would throw at him come November. She even invoked Harry Truman's famous line; "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
Interesting....
In that sound byte ready response, Hillary Clinton made what is perhaps the clearest case for her own speedy withdrawal from the Presidential race. Let's be honest and give Hillary Clinton credit. She is absolutely right when she says the GOP will be brutal in their attacks in the general election. The reality so far in this primary season, is that the Obama campaign has been the picture of restraint in their case for his candidacy over Senator Clinton's.
The GOP on the other hand has been dreaming of, and preparing for a campaign against Hillary Clinton for nearly a decade.
To run against her has been the far right's most cherished fantasy. To say that the GOP is well prepared if Senator Clinton is the Democratic candidate is a massive understatement. You won't hear these kind of things from the Obama Campaign, but I guarantee the "swift boat" ads resurrecting the entire litany of Clinton scandals both real and imaginary are already made, and ready to go.
Picture the ads on how Hillary Clinton made a killing on Cattle Futures. You can already hear Sean Hanity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage spew nonsense on how Hillary and Bill "might have been" responsible for Vince Foster's death. You can see the "special segment" on the O'Reilly Factor on how Hillary's billing records for the Rose Law firm where "lost" and then suddenly were "found" on the table in the White House book room. Picture interviews with fired White House Travel Office staff, Arkansas State Troopers and Indonesian Businessmen.
And of course, the person who is rooting the hardest for a Hillary Clinton nomination? Monica Lewinsky's press agent. Because rest assured Miss Lewinsky and her stained blue dress will once again be front page news. The Washington Times will make sure of that. "But wait!" I hear you cry! "None of that has anything to do with Hillary's qualifications to be President!" Guess what kids? It doesn't have to. All it has to do is take over the debate. You think Reverend Wright was a distraction? That's nothing compared to wild rumors of Hillary's alleged affair with Vince Foster, or the far-far right's favorite chestnut: Hillary Clinton didn't divorce Bill because she is really a Lesbian and didn't care.
Crazy? Outrageous? Outlandish? You bet! I hear you protest that the "vast majority of Americans" won't buy in to such gutter politics. You forget, that we are not talking about the "vast majority". We are taking about fifty percent plus one. We are talking about a campaign that will be run by people who in 2004, convinced a sizable percentage of American voters that John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War hero was less patriotic than, and didn't love his country as much as, George W. Bush a draft- dodging male cheerleader.
Clinton's failed attempt at health care reform has already been spun as "HillaryCare - taking way your choices and forcing you to have sub-standard government medical care". Her own "3 am phone call" talking point practically writes itself into an "unofficial" McCain campaign ad by conservative front groups.
(Cue dramatic announcer) "Who do you want answering the call to the White House at 3 am? A man who has faced combat and survived torture by our nation's enemies? (Insert Vietman War Footge & Picture of Osama Bin Laden) Or a woman who last time she was in the White House didn't even know what was going on under her own roof?" (Insert footage of Bill Clinton's deposition where he parsed the word "is").
The political reality is Hillary Clinton would be ridiculously easy to demonize. Conservative evangelicals who are not thrilled by the prospect of voting FOR John McCain, would come out in droves for the chance to vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton.
I am sorry to say it, but it is long past time the Democratic Party faced the reality, that a Hillary Clinton nominiation will do nothing more than hand the White House to John McCain.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
Jimbo, I wrote a comment this morning on the same idea of the hatred of Hillary supporters for Obama on another blog. As a woman I think I know what's going on here. I think these women are using Hillary as a symbol for their own dreams denied. They came of age in the 60s, maybe the 50s and were not given the opportunities they felt they were capable of and lived through the women's movement. To them, Hillary, the same age as they are, they see as realizing their dreams. On the other hand, Obama is a symbol as well. the man. He is the one denying Hillary her opportunity like happened maybe to them long ago. And he is the hated man who is responsible for all that is wrong with their life. Not sure of this but, I think this explains the sheer hate they have. It's so unreasonable and the hatred is so intense it is more than any democrat carries for Bush. And this man is a democrat and good guy. Yet he has become the symbol of all their repressed anger and the male figure denying the woman again her opportunity to shine. I doubt they even care about policy, if she is competent, ect. And it is being fueled even more so by bloggers like Taylor Marsh and Talk Left. They feed the paranoia and anger. They also link up with rightwing sites now, which explains the reason so many say they will vote McCain. It's insane. I don't understand it but, I, of course, am a traitor to my sex because I support Obama.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
vwcat, a very likely and good analysis. It is strange to me that so many of my fellow females believe that hillary OF ALL PEOPLE! are our genders one and only chance for the presidency for the next 50 years and yes they are developing an irrational hatred for Obama because of it. Obama has not gone after hillary nearly as hard as she has gone after him. He hasn't tried to change the rules mid-stream like she has and yet so many are saying right now that they will go for McCain (a firm anti-choicer.) out of spite. I think it is just some being.....well, being and I do hope they will wise up in time and get over it by November.
Taylor Marsh is a scourge in my view. The left's answer to Limbaugh if ever we had one.
bettie
· 1 year ago
Glad you said it! Don't forget about whitewater, vince foster, travelgate. impeachment, paula jones, kathy Wylie, and the kitchen sink.
I am an Obama supporter but he needs to learn to stop compaining and hit the republicans back. Hard! I mean atleast Hillary is not afraid to go into the gutter with the GOP and dems will have to do it in 2008 even if they don't want to . It looks like we are gonna need a sleazy left weing 527 to hit mcCian on his "mental instability issues". The Washpost used quotes from GOP senators and those quotes need to be used in an ad b/c it is a REAL issue.
Someone PLEASE tell me what nasty left wing 527 org I need to donate my money to b/c I am ready to go in the gutter with the republicans. Enough whining already!!!!
Dems can go after McCain on: - Hagee - mental instability -social security -vote against the min wage -the war -BUSH clone -Economy / corporate welfare -healthcare
Let's get this show on the road!!
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Both Hillary and Bill they are really disconnected from reality, if Hillary steals this nomination and Monica and all their other scandals are back out in the open, the Clinton's will think it's the 90's again and she can cry about the right wing smear machine and the Democrats will fall back into line to protect them AGAIN. Bill still acts like he is loved by the masses and Hillary magically will not remember any of this, and will laugh when someone brings it up.
If she steals the nomination, then this whole primary will become one big misspeak, late at night.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
The only thing I can say about the M word is that during that time Hillary "stood by her man" there were many articles stating the ONLY reason she stood by her man was of his political standing being able to help her in years to come in her quest for a presidency. There were many articles written, even then, about her calculating nature. Someone with expert research skills should be able to find an article or two on this.
If you want to hit Hillary on something, go after this. She even USED her husband years ago to obtain the coveted golden egg.
Great reasons, all of them. This is the same reason John Edwards was knocked out of the race, only with a different twist, they wouldn't mention him.
Thanks for the link.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
Obama's supporters have become old conservative republicans using the politics of the past and 20 year old media hype to try to swing an unswingable portion of the democratic party. We are not gonna change and all of your tantrums will not change a thing except to strengthen our stubborn resolve!
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Monica! Monica! Monica!
comsympinko
· 1 year ago
The fact is that Hillary is so desperate to be president she will do anything to torpedo Obama’s chances in November.
Think about it.
If Obama is elected president Hillary can forget about ever having another shot.
After eight years of non-stop butt-rogering by the Bush administration, four years of Obamamania is going to seem like paradise.
So he gets four more years, and then HIllary is up against an incumbent VP at the age of 68. See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
On the other hand, if Obama is so damaged by November that McSame is elected (FSM forbid), the next four years will be so traumatic that if he survives until 2012 he will be thrown out by torch-bearing mobs.
And who will ride in to save the day? Hillary! Because as we’ve seen from the past two elections defeated Democrats don’t have much of a shelf life as presidential contenders. But those who don’t make it to the party always have another chance.
She’s perfectly willing to destroy the party and the country to get her way.
This has to end now.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
When Obama wraps up the nomination in JUNE, then Hill and Bill can start a 527 to use their status as the number 1 smear machine against McCain.
This should be their penance and contribution for a Dem victory in the fall.
bettie
· 1 year ago
I seriously like the idea of the Clintons starting a 527 to smear McCain, I would conbtribute to that 527.
MorgaineSwann
· 1 year ago
The Clintons lost me for good when they started race--baiting. And no doubt, the Republicans would LOVE to throw everything they've got at Hillary. Look for Congressional hearings in the death of Vince Foster for starters.
I have yet to hear a statement by Rev. Wright that I didn't agree with. Obama should have told everyone to kiss his ass, but he's too nice. Nice is good, and I like that he's trying to rise above the crap Hillary is throwing but he needs to be strong, too. He's got to start telling the truth about Hillary.
alexa
· 1 year ago
MorgaineSwann We may agree with what Rev. Wright said. But is this appropriate language for a priest to be using in church? And Michelle's comment? Was that something you also agreed with? You're living in a dream world if you think Obama is nice. There's something not right with these people, just as there's something not right with Hillary.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Rev. Wright is not a priest, we do not have priests in our tradition. He is a minister, or pastor if you will, and as we all do in this tradition, enjoys complete freedom of the pulpit.
I know it is hard to try to put the United Church of Christ into a box, but it is nigh on impossible to do so. We prize congregational autonomy above all else, and while many other churches do not, we respect the individual congregations right to order their worship and call their pastors as they see fit.
I might wish that Rev. Wright had not said what he had said in the way that he did, but I would never dream of claiming that he did not have the right to say it. If his congregation did not like or agree with what he said, then it is up to them to censure him or remove him from the pulpit.
As it is, Rev. Wright took a congregation of just a few dozen people in the '70s and built it to the largest congregation in our denomination. The UCC has its flaws, and Trinity UCC has its deficiencies, but if I look at what the UCC and Trinity have accomplished, I am impressed.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
I have a few RW friends who have been sending me anti-Clinton emails for the past 8 years! They kept the Clinton hate alive through the whole Republican presidency/majority when it was not even relevant.
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
Whitewater - Millions spent, nothing found. Partisan investigation instigated by Republicans. Travelgate - Thorough investigation, allegations proved to be unfounded. Filesgate - Investigated, nothing found. Cattle futures - same as the others. Monica - This one I'm not sure about; but anyone playing it stands a very good chance of having it boomerang on them this time just as it did against President Clinton. If I'm going to have to listen to right-wing smears during the election campaign, I might as well listen to some "golden oldies".
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I also think using Monica is going to backfire. Too many old Dems stuck by Clinton during this time and most were sympathetic women, the group that is part of Clinton's base. I say stick to the issues at hand, voting for Iraq war, stating she would go nuclear, etc. etc.
ronaldsingleterry
· 1 year ago
PAULA JONES
Eleanore
· 1 year ago
No one is talking about Hillary's radical background in the Sixties (which is when we might have liked her). People who knew her then have been tactful. But here is a hint of it in a recent blog by Tom Hayden in the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/why-hi...
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
The new found right wing smears now being considered by Obama'a supporters will not work for one very good reason. Most of us millions of democrats stood by the Clintons when the republicans foisted this debacle on our country in the 90's. It is all about the demographics, it did not sway us then and it will not sway us now. Especially if it is used by the new "progressive" democrats. If you destroy the legacy of the only successful Democratic presidencey of the last 30 years then you have very little left to stand on for any future Democratic presidencey.
janetongirard2
· 1 year ago
I keep hearing the MSM talk about how Hillary won because she got the 75% of the votes of white females making less than $50K a year. Tonight, NBC news actually went further and talked about how Hillary got X% of white catholic votes, etc. But, I've yet to hear about how Obama has gotten 90+% of the black vote. Have yet to see it on this site. Any reasonable person can tell that the MSM and bloggers in general are against Hillary. Please post a story about how the Blacks are all voting for Obama. There, I said it! ha ha ha
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
It's interesting to look at Obama's history -- he's never really had a tough opponent. He first got into the State Senate in Illinois, by running from a solidly African-American, "safe" Democratic district. He eliminated his fellow Democratic contenders by legal challenges.
Then, when he ran for US Senate, his Republican opponent, Jack Ryan, was caught in a major sex scandal.
MorgaineSwann
· 1 year ago
JOHN: You've got to see this Obama Clinton graphic!
Alright. Fuck this. Fuck this left-wing blogosphere. Fuck it. I can't take it anymore. I should have figured it out when all the Clinton people left DailyKos.
"that decency that comes naturally and innately to non-Clinton Democrats"
Fuck you John. I can understand your frustration with the Clinton campaign. I really can. But to conflate supporters with the more unsavory aspects of the campaign is ridiculous. Not every Republican that voted for Bush in 2004 was a SwiftBoater.
So, I quit. I'm done with AMERICAblog, and I'm done with DailyKos. I could take it when it was the commenters trashing supporters. I could take it when it was the writers trashing Hillary. But I'm not going to give traffic to a website who's owner thinks I'm not even a decent person.
chandler_in_lasvegas
· 1 year ago
. The Special Prosecutor Statute tolled just in tome for Busk. This is the reason he has corrupted the Justice Department so that it would NEVER put him under oath. The same will be for the next President. Reagan would have been as bad as Bush if he did not have to dealt with little things like Iran-Contra. Bush has taken advantage of every arbitragable sentence in American law. I hop the next DEMOCRATIC president turns the screws on big business and corporate profiteers. Hillary and Barak will not have to fear special prosecutors. I hope they have a war crimes investigation.
jr
· 1 year ago
I wish Michelle Obama would do an ad where she's sitting in bed next to Barack and says "it's 3am, Hillary. I know where my husband is, do you know where yours is?"
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
THANK YOU for finally saying it. You know what, the idiocy I see all the time by pundits that just swallow whole the Clinton ruse of "I'm more electable".
How come no one is pointing out the obvious. The GOP is attacking the guy THE FEAR THE MOST, the most! They are handling Clinton with kid gloves, now. She's all "I'm tough, and I can "take it". Well, if you mean you can get down in the slop and wallow with the pigs, yeah...you proved that, but no one seems to be pointing out (til now) that if magically Obama was out of the way, they got YEARS of crap on her, and with her bullshit and aversion to truth, they got a LOT...even now, with these rookie mistakes (attacking Obama for saying anything about nukes, then threatening to nuke Iran, lies about Bosnia) and the phoniness...
That ought to be what Obama talks about. "She just doesn't get it. The republicans WANT her to be the running mate, because she cannot win once they dig up all the dirt from that family. Also, we don't need 25 years of only Bushes and Clintons in the WH, how about a change?"
MorgaineSwann
· 1 year ago
Alexa-
I think what Wright said was perfectly appropriate within the context of a fire-and-brimstone service where he was talking about how this country is to blame for a lot of suffering around the world.
As for Michelle's comment - I feel the same way. It makes me proud for the first time in a long time that people are turning out in record numbers to support Barack. I didn't think we had it in us. There's a kind of healing that can take place both here and around the world if he's president that isn't possible with any of the other candidates. He can change the way the world sees us.
I want a president who is erudite and positive, who knows what it means to be poor and what it means to live in other parts of the world. He's the right person in the right place at the perfect time. He's not damaged in the same way Hillary is and he's not part of the political machine that we need to tear down. He's a bit too conservative for my taste, but if he can get us moving in the right direction, I'm anxious to see him get started. This is a volatile, transitional time in our history. Things can get a lot better or a lot worse. Obama is our best shot at becoming the country we used to think we were.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Oh yeah, mmedefarge. I hadn't thought about salaries being reinstated...briefly. :)
Oh my, the hillbots are out in force today. They're all in a tizzy, too. Poor things. But thanks for stopping by. After dumbass Pennsylvania, we need a few laughs.
You bet the Neos will use the Monica stuff and, I suspect, Monica will like being back in the news.
But
Hillary is a lesbian? C'mon. Does anyone see her as a sexual being? I can't even imagine it.
All Comments
I wonder if Hillary knew all along--like McGreevey's wife and the alleged THREESOME stuff? Someone should ask her. THE REPUKES WILL, so we should go ahead and ask now...
that had little to do with hillary and, with the abundance of miscues hillary has provided lately, not really necessary.
Bubba shot his Billbilly Pecker off in the Oval Office while an Intern was giving him head.
(And, according to court documents, it's slanted to one side.)
I think it is a big issue now.
A woman who called into C span yesterday morning....a democrat....said she could not ever vote for Hillary because she doesn't think young women working in the White House would be safe. (due to Bill's past)
That may sound ridiculous to some.......and a good reason to not vote for her to others.
http://peoplegetready.jockamofeenanay.com/?p=2010
enjoy...
I don't know where Ed Schultz gets his information.......but maybe that's why Bill's been so crabby.
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Oh, you mean the "Hillary is a Lesbian" rumours?
Yeah, I hear that one from a lot of Repubs.
(Frankly, if I thought that was true, I might reconsider voting for her, but it would make those fine, upstanding "Reagan Democrats" she's getting now go straight to McCain.)
That shit will go over like a lead balloon. The REV WRIGHT/REV McCLURKIN stuff, though...that's still FRESH.
That's the lamest thing I've ever seen you put out there. Disappointing.
We should take the Clintons at their word. They intend to take this fight to the Convention. They will convince themselves it is the RIGHT thing to do, one way or the other.
Now let me tell you how the die-hard Hillary supporters will respond to any of what you said.
1. Hillary is "fully-vetted," meaning, everybody has heard ALL the shit about Bill and Hillary, so nothing else is left to shock the conscience, therefore the only skeletons left must be in Obama's closet. And they talk endlessly about that closet. Wright was supposed to be "the skeleton" that would bring them to homeplate. Then it was bittergate. More recently, it was "finger-gate." This mantra of Hillary being vetted and Obama not vetted is so ingrained into the conscience that it is not even rationally examined anymore. And their energy is laser-focused on finding that skeleton.
2. Monica was Bill's problem, not Hillary's, they say. Yet somehow they combine this with the belief that Bill only helps Hillary on the campaign trail.
3. Any open discussion of Monica or Bill's blue-dress cumstain or Kathleen Wille or Anita Broderick (who claimed Bill raped her) or the Paula Jones (financed by Scaife) trying to subpoena pictures of Bill Clinton's penis for identification purposes just riles them up. And this is key to understanding what motivates some supporters of the Clintons. They are stuck in a time warp and miss all that! They wish they could fight the good fight again against Chris Matthews and Victoria Toensing and Susan Carpenter-McMillen and Ann Coulter. Those of us that are more worried about a widening of the war in the Middle East aren't on their radar. They won on this turf before, they believe they can again, they feel comfortable with it, and they actually look forward with glee to such a battle. And they may have a point, in that there are many people out there that probably still sucking a sore tooth over the '90s that can be activated by talk of old battles.
4. Anybody that uses old issues from the '90s is so bad, bad, bad that they deserve the kitchen-sink thrown at them.
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It would be tragic if we went all the way through to June 3, only to find out Hillary wasn't going to withdraw, that superdelegates weren't all going to announce, that the convention was going to decide it, and all the old Monica shit had to be thrashed out over the summer, sucking all oxygen out of the fall campaign. But that's what really could happen. Seriously. It could. If we are going to use it, we should use it early, and not be dainty about it. Obama can't do it. We have to do it.
If it were up to me, I'd cut a TV or Youtube ad that had the following. Somebody cleaning through the attic, looking at a pile of old newspapers. One after the other, headline after headline, thirty of them, from real newspapers of the '90s, without comment, including the most outrageous right-wing accusations, not because those accusations were real, but because they remind us about what a silly, petty time the '90s were and how consumed it was with Bill and Hillary and their dramas. Finally, "No more soap operas, please."
And once you start down that path, you can't stop and wait for it to sink in. You have to pursue it doggedly, Swift Boat style.
Round and round
The wheels on the bus go round and round
And it's making me dizzy!
hillary believes she can spin straw into gold. Her delusion.
Interesting....
In that sound byte ready response, Hillary Clinton made what is perhaps the clearest case for her own speedy withdrawal from the Presidential race. Let's be honest and give Hillary Clinton credit. She is absolutely right when she says the GOP will be brutal in their attacks in the general election. The reality so far in this primary season, is that the Obama campaign has been the picture of restraint in their case for his candidacy over Senator Clinton's.
The GOP on the other hand has been dreaming of, and preparing for a campaign against Hillary Clinton for nearly a decade.
To run against her has been the far right's most cherished fantasy. To say that the GOP is well prepared if Senator Clinton is the Democratic candidate is a massive understatement. You won't hear these kind of things from the Obama Campaign, but I guarantee the "swift boat" ads resurrecting the entire litany of Clinton scandals both real and imaginary are already made, and ready to go.
Picture the ads on how Hillary Clinton made a killing on Cattle Futures. You can already hear Sean Hanity, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage spew nonsense on how Hillary and Bill "might have been" responsible for Vince Foster's death. You can see the "special segment" on the O'Reilly Factor on how Hillary's billing records for the Rose Law firm where "lost" and then suddenly were "found" on the table in the White House book room. Picture interviews with fired White House Travel Office staff, Arkansas State Troopers and Indonesian Businessmen.
And of course, the person who is rooting the hardest for a Hillary Clinton nomination? Monica Lewinsky's press agent. Because rest assured Miss Lewinsky and her stained blue dress will once again be front page news. The Washington Times will make sure of that. "But wait!" I hear you cry! "None of that has anything to do with Hillary's qualifications to be President!" Guess what kids? It doesn't have to. All it has to do is take over the debate. You think Reverend Wright was a distraction? That's nothing compared to wild rumors of Hillary's alleged affair with Vince Foster, or the far-far right's favorite chestnut: Hillary Clinton didn't divorce Bill because she is really a Lesbian and didn't care.
Crazy? Outrageous? Outlandish? You bet! I hear you protest that the "vast majority of Americans" won't buy in to such gutter politics. You forget, that we are not talking about the "vast majority". We are taking about fifty percent plus one. We are talking about a campaign that will be run by people who in 2004, convinced a sizable percentage of American voters that John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War hero was less patriotic than, and didn't love his country as much as, George W. Bush a draft- dodging male cheerleader.
Clinton's failed attempt at health care reform has already been spun as "HillaryCare - taking way your choices and forcing you to have sub-standard government medical care". Her own "3 am phone call" talking point practically writes itself into an "unofficial" McCain campaign ad by conservative front groups.
(Cue dramatic announcer) "Who do you want answering the call to the White House at 3 am? A man who has faced combat and survived torture by our nation's enemies? (Insert Vietman War Footge & Picture of Osama Bin Laden) Or a woman who last time she was in the White House didn't even know what was going on under her own roof?" (Insert footage of Bill Clinton's deposition where he parsed the word "is").
The political reality is Hillary Clinton would be ridiculously easy to demonize. Conservative evangelicals who are not thrilled by the prospect of voting FOR John McCain, would come out in droves for the chance to vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton.
I am sorry to say it, but it is long past time the Democratic Party faced the reality, that a Hillary Clinton nominiation will do nothing more than hand the White House to John McCain.
I think these women are using Hillary as a symbol for their own dreams denied. They came of age in the 60s, maybe the 50s and were not given the opportunities they felt they were capable of and lived through the women's movement. To them, Hillary, the same age as they are, they see as realizing their dreams.
On the other hand, Obama is a symbol as well. the man. He is the one denying Hillary her opportunity like happened maybe to them long ago. And he is the hated man who is responsible for all that is wrong with their life.
Not sure of this but, I think this explains the sheer hate they have. It's so unreasonable and the hatred is so intense it is more than any democrat carries for Bush. And this man is a democrat and good guy. Yet he has become the symbol of all their repressed anger and the male figure denying the woman again her opportunity to shine.
I doubt they even care about policy, if she is competent, ect. And it is being fueled even more so by bloggers like Taylor Marsh and Talk Left. They feed the paranoia and anger. They also link up with rightwing sites now, which explains the reason so many say they will vote McCain.
It's insane.
I don't understand it but, I, of course, am a traitor to my sex because I support Obama.
Taylor Marsh is a scourge in my view. The left's answer to Limbaugh if ever we had one.
I am an Obama supporter but he needs to learn to stop compaining and hit the republicans back. Hard! I mean atleast Hillary is not afraid to go into the gutter with the GOP and dems will have to do it in 2008 even if they don't want to . It looks like we are gonna need a sleazy left weing 527 to hit mcCian on his "mental instability issues". The Washpost used quotes from GOP senators and those quotes need to be used in an ad b/c it is a REAL issue.
Someone PLEASE tell me what nasty left wing 527 org I need to donate my money to b/c I am ready to go in the gutter with the republicans. Enough whining already!!!!
Dems can go after McCain on:
- Hagee
- mental instability
-social security
-vote against the min wage
-the war
-BUSH clone
-Economy / corporate welfare
-healthcare
Let's get this show on the road!!
If she steals the nomination, then this whole primary will become one big misspeak, late at night.
If you want to hit Hillary on something, go after this. She even USED her husband years ago to obtain the coveted golden egg.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/163723/...
Great reasons, all of them. This is the same reason John Edwards was knocked out of the race, only with a different twist, they wouldn't mention him.
Thanks for the link.
Think about it.
If Obama is elected president Hillary can forget about ever having another shot.
After eight years of non-stop butt-rogering by the Bush administration, four years of Obamamania is going to seem like paradise.
So he gets four more years, and then HIllary is up against an incumbent VP at the age of 68. See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
On the other hand, if Obama is so damaged by November that McSame is elected (FSM forbid), the next four years will be so traumatic that if he survives until 2012 he will be thrown out by torch-bearing mobs.
And who will ride in to save the day? Hillary! Because as we’ve seen from the past two elections defeated Democrats don’t have much of a shelf life as presidential contenders. But those who don’t make it to the party always have another chance.
She’s perfectly willing to destroy the party and the country to get her way.
This has to end now.
This should be their penance and contribution for a Dem victory in the fall.
I have yet to hear a statement by Rev. Wright that I didn't agree with. Obama should have told everyone to kiss his ass, but he's too nice. Nice is good, and I like that he's trying to rise above the crap Hillary is throwing but he needs to be strong, too. He's got to start telling the truth about Hillary.
We may agree with what Rev. Wright said. But is this appropriate language for a priest to be using in church? And Michelle's comment? Was that something you also agreed with? You're living in a dream world if you think Obama is nice. There's something not right with these people, just as there's something not right with Hillary.
I know it is hard to try to put the United Church of Christ into a box, but it is nigh on impossible to do so. We prize congregational autonomy above all else, and while many other churches do not, we respect the individual congregations right to order their worship and call their pastors as they see fit.
I might wish that Rev. Wright had not said what he had said in the way that he did, but I would never dream of claiming that he did not have the right to say it. If his congregation did not like or agree with what he said, then it is up to them to censure him or remove him from the pulpit.
As it is, Rev. Wright took a congregation of just a few dozen people in the '70s and built it to the largest congregation in our denomination. The UCC has its flaws, and Trinity UCC has its deficiencies, but if I look at what the UCC and Trinity have accomplished, I am impressed.
If I'm going to have to listen to right-wing smears during the election campaign, I might as well listen to some "golden oldies".
Then, when he ran for US Senate, his Republican opponent, Jack Ryan, was caught in a major sex scandal.
http://flowingdata.com/2008/04/23/showing-the-o...
"that decency that comes naturally and innately to non-Clinton Democrats"
Fuck you John. I can understand your frustration with the Clinton campaign. I really can. But to conflate supporters with the more unsavory aspects of the campaign is ridiculous. Not every Republican that voted for Bush in 2004 was a SwiftBoater.
So, I quit. I'm done with AMERICAblog, and I'm done with DailyKos. I could take it when it was the commenters trashing supporters. I could take it when it was the writers trashing Hillary. But I'm not going to give traffic to a website who's owner thinks I'm not even a decent person.
The Special Prosecutor Statute tolled just in tome for Busk. This is the reason he has corrupted the Justice Department so that it would NEVER put him under oath. The same will be for the next President. Reagan would have been as bad as Bush if he did not have to dealt with little things like Iran-Contra. Bush has taken advantage of every arbitragable sentence in American law. I hop the next DEMOCRATIC president turns the screws on big business and corporate profiteers. Hillary and Barak will not have to fear special prosecutors. I hope they have a war crimes investigation.
How come no one is pointing out the obvious. The GOP is attacking the guy THE FEAR THE MOST, the most! They are handling Clinton with kid gloves, now. She's all "I'm tough, and I can "take it". Well, if you mean you can get down in the slop and wallow with the pigs, yeah...you proved that, but no one seems to be pointing out (til now) that if magically Obama was out of the way, they got YEARS of crap on her, and with her bullshit and aversion to truth, they got a LOT...even now, with these rookie mistakes (attacking Obama for saying anything about nukes, then threatening to nuke Iran, lies about Bosnia) and the phoniness...
That ought to be what Obama talks about. "She just doesn't get it. The republicans WANT her to be the running mate, because she cannot win once they dig up all the dirt from that family. Also, we don't need 25 years of only Bushes and Clintons in the WH, how about a change?"
I think what Wright said was perfectly appropriate within the context of a fire-and-brimstone service where he was talking about how this country is to blame for a lot of suffering around the world.
As for Michelle's comment - I feel the same way. It makes me proud for the first time in a long time that people are turning out in record numbers to support Barack. I didn't think we had it in us. There's a kind of healing that can take place both here and around the world if he's president that isn't possible with any of the other candidates. He can change the way the world sees us.
I want a president who is erudite and positive, who knows what it means to be poor and what it means to live in other parts of the world. He's the right person in the right place at the perfect time. He's not damaged in the same way Hillary is and he's not part of the political machine that we need to tear down. He's a bit too conservative for my taste, but if he can get us moving in the right direction, I'm anxious to see him get started. This is a volatile, transitional time in our history. Things can get a lot better or a lot worse. Obama is our best shot at becoming the country we used to think we were.
:)
Hillbots, here's something just for you:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare
You bet the Neos will use the Monica stuff and, I suspect, Monica will like being back in the news.
But
Hillary is a lesbian? C'mon. Does anyone see her as a sexual being? I can't even imagine it.