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AMERICAblog: More info on Senate economic rescue vote tomorrow

  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    A condition of ANY bailout deal should be the formation of a special independent commission to study the entire American financial system, including Wall Street trading practices and real estate banking practices that promulgated this mess. It should also include a look at derivatives and swaps and other exotic financial structures, some of which are SO COMPLEX that even people close to them cannot explain how they work. This mess cries out for reform!!
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Form a Special Commission to study all aspects of the financial meltdown, top to bottom!

    Make recommendations for structural changes that will insure that this never happens again!
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Form a Special Commission, similar to the 9-11 Commission.

    The fate of America's entire financial system, jobs, savings, pensions, demand that we study this. It is at least as important as 9-11. It threatens everything!
  • Gridlock · 1 year ago
    Yes! Form a whitewashed commission that answers no questions and whose recommendations are never followed!
  • sukabi1 · 1 year ago
    the thing about these "Special Commissions" that are created is that the SAME folks are ALWAYS are tapped to "study" the problem... they may perform a slightly different role in each "new commission" but their mission is the same... to create an "acceptable version" of the events for public consumption. There may be some "recommendations" that are made, but the results are basically the same... there are 1 or 2 folks publicly scapegoated and maybe sent to prison, but the main culprits are free to play another day...
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    ..similar to the 9-11 Commission. Yes, they were real effective, weren't they?
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Well . . . we can continue to gripe about the system, or we can try to fix it. If the commission system is broke, fix it. Don't stick our collective heads in the sand and do nothing.
  • azteckamerican · 1 year ago
    I want to see written paper not spoken words. Tired of Congress playing lets make a deal with Americans in used car salesman style.

    No Bailout.

    Why didn't he get this done on the FIRST VOTE? Why is he suddenly making it sound like he's the champion of a good bill when he urged the House to pass a bill that didn't have these provisions the American people demanded? Why was Congress shut down so the bill can be created behind closed doors? Why is it that every vital important fundamentally nation changing law must be done like a thief in the night? Why was the House being forced to pass a bill they weren't able to review prudently? Why does securing the nation's economic future be done Patriot Act style?

    No confidence in Democratic Leadership. No confidence in Republicans leadership. No confidence in the Treasury. No confidence in the Federal Reserve. No confidence in our President.

    The most eye-opening event in government I have ever witnessed. The only way Obama distinguished himself from McCain was with a single item regarding how much the federal coverage of bank deposits should be. Why are we looking to Paulson for answers? Why is Wall Street supplying the remedy prescription to fix Wall Street? Unbelievable. Unacceptable. Main Street not forgotten? SHOW ME ON PAPER!
  • mf_roe · 1 year ago
    Second that. Anything done in secret is always suspect.
  • bumpkis · 1 year ago
    Start by killing the Federal Reserve....
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Only individuals and families have a chance to provide for future generations thru accumulation of property, including precious metals, that can be hidden from the government. When the government is on the verge of collapse, it will attempt to deprive you of everything you own and evenly distribute your wealth to people, some of whom, have never worked a day in their lives. It happened in the 1930's. It can happen again. Your 401K is a registered government tax entity. They think it belongs to them......
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Are you saying that those void of assets are left with with no alternative other than protecting their existence by placing a bullet through the skull of any and all government employee(s)/enforcer(s) coming to collect someday for government's today for government's tomorrow?

    Do not fancy dance for I will extraxct the answer from you.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Many people may actually react the way you describe. Look, I've been thru 85% taxation with the windfall property tax and lived thru it. Each person reacts differently when their assets are grabbed by government.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Start by bringing to light the Shadow Government and the Shadow Financial System.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Revealing the rampant bullshit and fraud tat has occured in the debt, credit default swap, collatralized debt obligation and collateralized mortgage obligation markets is required and individuals/corporations must pay from a criminal and civil perspective.
  • mf_roe · 1 year ago
    The financial system will be reviewed by the IMF early next year, that is the real reason for the urgency. After the IMF gets through you will no longer recognize the US system, after the dollar is removed from reserve currency status we will become a second rate power.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    We're not now?
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    Dear Harry, you can keep your unanimous consent. NO BAILOUT.

    OT:

    Driving home tonight, windows open, sweet night air, feeling awright, this on the stereo, which seemed appropriate for all of us:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuByCrbi0q4
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    A commission, if it were a really serious, non-partisan, scholarly study, would be money and time well spent. But we've been so conditioned that any "commission" results would be so tainted by politics that we shouldn't bother.
  • benb · 1 year ago
    I understand why people are against the bail-out. After all, this is from the Administration that dragged us into a war under false pretenses. On the other hand, the people who have the most information (Bernanke and Paulson) do not appear to be political ideologues and they've been flexible in taking input from Congress from both Republicans and Dems. The rescue plan has bi-partisan support and a significant fraction of those opposed are involved in tight re-election races. No surprise

    I wonder if the GOP isn't facing a problem of it's own making: in fueling Anti-Intellectual Pride, they may have boxed themselves into a corner. The experts are warning of a approaching financial tidal wave but...the sky is blue, the sun is shining, the sea is calm, and the beach is perfect....why should we trust 'experts' when we don't see any danger. Besides, we'll just run if the sea begins to recede.
  • Jhyder · 1 year ago
    FUCK WALL STREET......LET THEM EAT CAKE.....Give an "economic stimulus package" of 1000000000000 equally divided to every family,individual,small business(under 100 employees) making under 200,000$ usd/per annum and tax it at 30%....charge the top 10% (thieves) 65% one-time surtax....problem solved....markets....fixed...scummy banks dissolved, americans happy,government happy,good bamnks happy...the end.
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    how's the vote gonna go? anyone have any idea?

    I want most democrats to vote against this, but they wont.
  • AZ_Birdlady · 1 year ago
    I've heard that Bush and Paulsen are literally stealing the treasury. Regardless of what Congress adds to this bill, Paulsen is still able to give whatever he wants to whomever he wants. It doesn't matter they can't make this acceptable to the American people. Our Government shouldn't be blackmailing us into accepting this outrage. NO BAILOUT!!!!
    There is an alternative plan being put forward by 2 Democratic Senators entitled "No Bailouts Act", check it out at http://tinyurl.com/43k8mw.
  • dula · 1 year ago
    I'm hearing that the provisions the Dems included to bring more regulation into this Bill have no teeth. For example, the Dems say they want to provide oversight so CEOs don't get bonuses...but nothing in regards to salary, so instead of a golden parachute a company can give its' CEOs a "salary" of a million a month instead of giving them many millions at one time in the form of a bonus. I know the Dems want to force the Repubs to take the blame for voting against the Bill but what if the Repubs called them on their bluff and voted for it? We would be saddled with a bailout that is another giveaway to Wall St. The Dems need to write their own Bill that protects Main St. from Neocon vultures or let the whole fucking thing crash. Obama needs to lead on this instead of promoting a Bill that can't provide any meaningful protections for us. After a bailout there will be nothing left in the Treasury to pay for the Dem agenda so don't add insult to effing injury by letting the bastards that created this mess walk away with our money. I'M IN NO MOOD TO GET SCREWED!
  • steelhead · 1 year ago
    Anyone know the Senate bill number?
  • Charters · 1 year ago
    Check out <a href"http://libertydesirebelief.thechartersofdreams.com/2008/09/bailout-urgency-driven-by-the.html
    ">Bailout Urgency Driven by The Fear Factor & Panics the Banking System

    and Stop The Bailout Now: Our Last Chance, Petition & Final Thoughts

    Killing the bailout (as it stood) is such a positive thing. It’s a triumph really. Giving the credit markets a chance to sort all this out itself is the single best thing that can happen for everyone in the long run. If it turns out that they can’t, then the Fed can rush in, but they need to let the credit markets take the blow and try to handle it – they have more incentive than anyone to get out of the hole. For more, check out these links:

    Bernanke's Hype
    An Open Letter to the United States Congress: Stand Up for Taxpayers by Standing Against Quick-Fix Bailouts!
    Show me the crisis. In an open letter to colleagues on Tuesday, former New York Times reporter David Cay Johnston urged fellow journalists to be skeptical of the bailout proposal
    Why Just Say No!
    An Open Letter to my Friends on the Left
  • Charters · 1 year ago
  • bunnyjump · 1 year ago
    This bill is a "screw the middle class" tax increase.

    IF it's passed the wall street types go about business as usual, wealth intact and the rest of us get left with the bill.

    Dennis Kucinich has a good idea and he has quite a few rethugs on board with him.

    NO BAILOUT
  • enpassant · 1 year ago
    The idea that our elected lawmakers, after seeing the market drop, suddenly took solace in the gravity of the situation and realized that bailout vote must be redone immediately for the good of the people is total crap. The Republicans little ploy of pinning an unpopular bailout on the Democrats blew up in their faces. While the GOP was pretending to rally their troops to vote for the plan, in reality they were cutting ads to bash the Democrats. This is why only Republicans in safe seats and leadership positions voted for it. The Democrats, through sheer luck or through sheer brilliance, wisely decided they weren't playing that game and ended trumping the Republicans at the end of the day.

    In fact, , the Democrats are now in a nice bargaining position and the Republicans are in a bit of a squeeze because they have managed to piss off not only the Bush administration and party leaders but also their corporate buddies on Wall Street and by extension - corporate media. More importantly, a good percentage of the electorate is p-oed as well. It damn sure looks like the Republicans sabotaged a rescue plan for political reasons. Think about it, those that wanted a bailout realize it would of easily passed with a modicum of support from the Republican side. These people are rich, very likely Republican and definitely have been doing a lot of praying lately.

    So first off lets not panic and realize that the hissy fit the market threw was actually an expected occurrence. The sky didn't fall , we got through it and the market rebounded the next day as investors spotted bargains. Yes , there is no doubt that our representatives fielded many calls from panicked investors and retirees but it's a stretch to believe that public opinion overall has flip-flopped and suddenly everyone is massively on the side of welfare for Wall Street. Again this is fantasy just like the need to rush this thing through. Mr. Murdoch is the one that needs this plan rushed through right now, this instant. He's the one that has invested 5 billion dollars in Paulson's former company. The longer you wait, the more the public panic will die down.

    We the people, need a well thought out plan that actually attacks the problem at it's core and does not need to be smuggled in during the middle of the night when nobody has time to react. We need some real leadership and the Democrats need to recognize the bargaining power they now hold and leverage it. What they don't need to do is give the Republicans a Kings-X and let them redo the vote on the very same Bush-Paulson plan with tax cuts added to appease them. Why let them re-image themselves as putting "country first" instead of "Republican Party first"?

    How about standing up and telling the American people what the GOP tried to pull off instead? Present the voting record as proof of their antics. How about anticipating the next swift-boat attack (i.e. McCain's vote) and preemptively shooting it down? The GOP is cutting "Obama for Wall Street billionaires" ads right now. Show some guts for Gods sake. Obama can't get dirty and fight in the trenches but the party leaders certainly can.

    Bush is not showing any leadership. It's time for the party with a majority in congress to take some initiative. There are many good ideas out there that can be more or less agreed to by both sides. Tell the American people that hearings will held and respected economist with PhD s will be brought in and a real solution will be hammered out and something will be done in a timely manner. As an example, somebody like Dave Ramsey (financial advisor) can get on the radio and tell his listeners not to panic and offer nice solutions and ideas that aren't really his but are those of leading economist whom are highly trained in the field. He calms his listeners and he makes a heck of a lot of sense.

    Why can't the Democratic Party do this too?