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AMERICAblog: MSNBC's David Shuster asks Dem. Senator Carper if he was bought by off by big pharma and insurance companies

  • leliorisen · 4 months ago
    Interesting how nervous the Senator got and how he never really answered the question.

    Even more telling was his importance on making this 'bipartisan' when he knows damn well that the GOP would sink it.

    But most telling of all is his reference to what Senator Max Bauchus wants.

    If a valid single payer option is shot down, because of these bought-off Democrats and Republicans, not a single one of them should be voted back in office.
  • cufford · 4 months ago
    Really, what's so "interesting" about his response?

    Rather it's politicians as usual. They NEVER answer the questions they are asked...EVER!

    They always go off on their talking points, no matter what question is asked, even if it's a straight "yes or no" question, which it often is.

    And few journalists ever call them on this.

    This is what our representatives do. LIE
  • NAVDOC3rdMAR · 4 months ago
    It is morally repugnant to profit off the misery or ill health of Americans. It's criminal that medical bills to private for-profit MEDICAL/INSURANCE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX make up 62% of all bankruptcies filed in the U.S. each year. The overhead at private for-profit MEDICAL/INSURANCE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX is upwards of 35% of the healthcare dollar spent each year in the U.S. This allows the private for-profit MEDICAL/INSURANCE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX to pay for their lavish lifestyles and huge salaries plus perks and bonuses. All the while milking the hard-working men/women of this great nation of their hard earned money.
    On the other hand Medicare has an overhead of 2%, Canada's system is 1.5%, Europe's 2.5% on average. The money that could be saved by eliminating the private for-profit MEDICAL/INSURANCE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX is estimated at $500 Billion a year. Enough money to help pay for putting all Americans on MEDICARE/SINGLE PAYER TYPE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.
    We have to fight back and call, write e-mails, letters-to-editors and to Congress to let them know how Americans feel about for-profit health care in America.
    Here are some Senators who are wrong on Health Care reform. Give them a call and demand,
    "MEDICARE/SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE FOR ALL NOW!"

    Joe Lieberman I-CT, Chuck Grassley R-IA, Lindsey Graham R-SC,
    Susan Collins R-ME, Olympia Snowe R-ME, David Vitter R-LA,
    Saxby Chambliss R-GA, Tom Coburn R-OK, Jon Kyl R-AZ,
    John Thune R-SD, Richard Lugar R-IN, Jim DeMint R-SC
    Jeff Sessions R-AL, Richard Shelby R-AL, Mel Martinez R-FL,
    John McCain R-AZ, Mitch McConnell R-KY, Jim Inhofe R-OK,
    Lamar Alexander R-TN, Dick Burr R-NC, John Cornyn R-TX

    Thomas Carper D-DE, Mary Landrieu D-LA, Max Baucus D-MT,
    Kent Conrad D-ND, Ben Nelson D-NE, Maria Cantwell D-WA,
    Kay Hagan D-NC, Blanche Lincoln D-AR, Ron Wyden D-OR,
    Evan Bayh D-IN, Diane Feinstein D-CA, Arlen Specter D-PA

    Here are the toll-free numbers for the Capitol Hill Switchboard:
    (House and Senate)
    1-800-828-0498
    1-866-338-1015
    1-866-220-0044.

    Also give the President a call or write an e-mail:

    White House Comments Line:
    1-202-456-1414 M-F 09:00 - 05:00 est. (NOT A TOLL-FREE #)
    President Obama's e-mail: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Nothing rattles the Congress more than voters ringing the phones off the hook. Call the House, Senate and the White House and demand,
    "MEDICARE/SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE FOR ALL NOW!"
  • An_American_Karol · 4 months ago
    The thing that bothers me the most is the politicians know we know they are bought off. They also know we won't do a damned thing about it. It's a game we all play.
    They lie, we pretend to believe the lie, we move on to the next issue where the game is played again.
    I'm feeling a little jaded right about now.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    Me too, Karol! That whole "hope and change" message is wearing awful thin.
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    Is there anything we can really do about the problem, other than treating the symptom (voting against them in a primary)? It seems like it could be impossible.
  • Patrick · 4 months ago
    What about the people in your state senator. Do they want it?
  • JohnnyInGa · 4 months ago
    There must be a Delaware poll that shows greater than 50% support for the public option. It needs to be dug out and thrown back in his face if his "constituents" really are the most effective "lobbyists" for his vote. Is he in syn with them???? My bet is no if DE reflects the polling we're seeing nationwide on the public option.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    They wouldn't care if the poll showed 90% want a public option. THEY, our representatives, don't want one... They just want us to leave them alone while they have cocktail parties.
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    The thing is, if there was a poll his office would have seen it before it was released to the public. He has to know what the people of DE want, because you and I know it, and we both live over a 1500 miles from the border of Delaware.

    It doesn't matter what the people want, on the hill.
  • sparrow · 4 months ago
    Follow the money. Senator Carper wants a bipartisan plan. Right, and I want a pony next Christmas. The Republican are dead set against ever a public plan ever seeing the light of day. The only way they want to participate is to kill any possibility of it.
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    I think that Obama and the corporate interests will eventually prevail and that there will be a public option.
  • An_American_Karol · 4 months ago
    I sincerely hope so, busboy.
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    Really, Good Looking? Do you want to be on a health care plan equivalent to medicaid?
  • An_American_Karol · 4 months ago
    I am satisfied with my insurance. But my son and daughter will be thrilled with any insurance.
  • JamesR · 4 months ago
    RE: "Do you want to be on a health care plan equivalent to medicaid?"

    Once all your assets are gone, and you have no hope of generating legal income to make anything like the equivalent of an insurance payment back and / or retain any coverage, Medicaid is not that bad, depending on the state. Does this make any sense to you?

    Now:

    Life with an existing condition uninsurable and some medical bills forcing you to loose all assets, health bankruptcy as it were, to get on Medicaid and LIVE, but stay poor and bankrupt so you can retain the coverage that saves your life,

    Or:

    Being able to contribute to society and contribute to an insurance pool by paying taxes and supporting yourself, and have medicaid so you don't die.

    Um, these are the choices, which one would you choose?
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    What are you for no real reform or single-payer?
  • Joseph Bacon · 4 months ago
    Since our bought and paid for Congress refuses to consider single payer, then we need to demand

    1) Nobody working for any health insurance company can be paid a salary greater than 75% of the salary of the President of the United States.

    2) All health insurance companies must be mutualized, the policyholders will own the companies and policyholders will vote for the board of directors. No health insurance company can be owned by stockholders.

    3) The Federal Government will regulate insurance companies. No more state regulations that allows 50 different rules in 50 states. Everyone in the US will be under the same insurance rules and regulations

    4) All companies must accept anyone for health insurance without pre-existing conditions.

    5) Claims must be paid within 15 days. No exceptions

    6) Doctors will prescribe the course of treatment and not be overruled by insurance companies

    7) All insurance companies will follow the same payment schedules that Medicare uses.

    I'm just sick and tired of seeing Democrats sell us out time and time again!
  • cufford · 4 months ago
    Yeah... of course the question is rhetorical. We know they're all bought off. That's just the way the system works.

    Pay to play, baby!

    And yes it's good that Shuster raises the question, and I guess that's a good start.

    But until we force these traitors (our representatives) to change the rules so that they can't profit from selling their influence and decisions, nothing will change.

    And yes, that's a paradox that simply can't be beat. They'll never vote to kill the very gravy train that they all enjoy.

    So while I guess that 1% of something is better than 100% of nothing, it's not very encouraging at this point.

    Way too little...way too late, and of no real consequence.
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    I'd say that was pretty much rude, "in your face" journalism. Let's see if any journalist ever asks BHO about the closed door session which exacted 80 billion bucks worth of flesh from big pharm last week. No one knows how much of that kickback will land in Obama's pocket; but I think I can safely say that the US public was the sacrificial goat in that meeting.
    Watch for big pharm to all transfer their corporate structures to Puerto Rico which has tax law favorable to pharm or transferred to Bermuda, Thailand or Bermuda under "special interest" rules.
  • leliorisen · 4 months ago
    It may have been "in your face," but what was "rude" about pointing out how much money that this Senator was receiving from the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry?

    It is what is known as pulling back the curtain so Americans can see what is really going on.

    It is also a view that we rarely get.

    Good for Mr. Shuster.
  • Busboy · 4 months ago
    Let's say you're on welfare. You get a check each month from the government. Does that mean your vote is compromised? Think before answering.
  • leliorisen · 4 months ago
    You are trying to equate a Senator receiving $350,000 from health care lobbyists with the check that a welfare recipient receives?

    When one gets a check from the government it is out of dire financial need. They may have received it from a Democratic or a Republican-controlled legislature. Poverty knows no particular affiliation, making the question superfluous and irrelevant.

    Lobbyist money is specifically designed to help steer legislation.

    Sorry, I do not have the time or inclination to play this type of a game.

    If you think that comparison is valid, fine.

    I don't.

    And I thought about it before answering.
  • ndtovent · 4 months ago
    These senators need a lot MORE 'in-your-face' questions, comments, calls, emails, and letters thrown at them. They're bought and paid for by big phrma and the large insurance conglomerates and they should be called out for it.
  • sittenpretty · 4 months ago
    scumsukker
  • johnbonanno · 4 months ago
    Senator Carper is talking very fast. And he sounds very nervous. Keep the pressure on people of Delaware.
  • tonymack · 4 months ago
    Well, perhaps someone should ask Sen. Lindsey Graham about his contributions: Pay attention now — Graham gets his health care provided by a government-paid program. It’s basically free to members of Congress. That’s correct, we pay for it. But he doesn’t want us to have “taxpayer funded” public option healthcare. This entire health care issue could be resolved very simply, Senator Graham — We want your health care plan. Now.

    In the 2008 election cycle, Graham received more than $2.1 million from companies in the health care business including Blue Cross/Blue Shield ($64,973), Eli Lilly ($15,500) The Roche Group ($39,600) not to mention the law firms representing health care companies — $1,464,821. Insurance companies gave Graham $179,782; Pharmaceutical companies gave him $91,620; Health care professionals gave him $165,871. You’ve got to ask yourself if Graham really represents the best interests of South Carolina or the best interest of his major campaign contributors. I’m asking and I think some intrepid reporters should also ask the same questions.
    See, I live in South Carolina and I am determined to oust both Graham and DeMint from office. And every time, every time, one of these Senators who feed at the trough say that I, a veteran, should not have complete health care coverage the same way they do...it just means more votes in our column...Why do Republicons hate my country?

    CYCLOPS
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    What organization are you apart of? I'd like to take a look at its position on gay issues.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    Anyone hear Senator Reid talk about how Franken's 60th vote means nothing? Yea, that's right, if we had 100 votes in the Senate then we wouldn't get what we want because the "elites" don't want the "little people" getting the same benefits they enjoy!
  • cufford · 4 months ago
    Glad someone said this. The whole "60 vote" thing is nothing but nonsense, when these people don't represent us anyway. It's just smoke and mirrors.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    If Republicans had a 60 vote majority they would institute Talibangelical KKKristianity as a state religion, and we'd have to start referring to the United States as "der Fatherland!" while sending undesirables to special camps. If Republicans had a 60 vote majority we'd wake up the next day and wonder why the "little people" were being walled off from the elites like most Third World nations. Ever wonder why they don't promote travel? Its because you get to see what the elites really want to accomplish over here. Democrats get a 60 vote majority and our illustrious Senate Leader runs to the microphone and stutters it means absolutely nothing because we wouldn't dare make Republicans angry! In other words, they don't want to do what the American people want. It wouldn't be convenient for them. I guess a 60 vote majority just means the Right Wing fascists who control the country just have to wait awhile longer to get what they want accomplished. The 60 vote majority is just a little speed bump for them because eventually Americans will get pissed at Democrats not following through on their promises and the Right Wing Republican fascists will be back in charge and ramming stuff through congress and down the collective American's throats. Pissed off? You bet I am!

    Sure, yea... yea... some of what I just wrote is rhetorical and a little over the top but I do believe we have a hard right party and a center right party. We do NOT have a party that represents where the majority of Americans are today and that would be center left! Obama wouldn't be President if we didn't have a center left country, and he and congress govern like we are way right of center and I'm sick to death of it!
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    If you replace the word republican with the word corporation, I'd be with you 100%. I think Republicans (representatives, not voters), personally, would like the same things democrats want, for their family's in a broader sense. I just think that they are willing to sell out for corporate money on every issue, for corporate money.

    I think the democrats are the same, but either to a less degree or that they are all in on the same game and they have to keep the image of a bipartisan government up for the people.
  • mamazboy · 4 months ago
    I'm with Jophus on this one. Corporations rule everything, and couldn't give a shit about ordinary people. Plus, per the Supreme Court, they, like us, are entitled to "free speech." We're fucked, folks.
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    Can u delete this. I thought you were saying he had actually said it.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    This is open thread here, but I wanted to share some warm thoughts about my african american transgendered friend, and the joy it has been to accompany her on "her jouney" here in Tulsa, Oklahoma:

    http://64.23.65.203/

    I'm wanting warm thoughts and prayers sent her way because she had a bunch of teeth pulled today, and is in some pretty bad pain tonight.
  • An_American_Karol · 4 months ago
    my thoughts are with her, cowboy
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    Wish your friend a speedy recuperation. I had some extensive work done almost two months ago and have had unexpected problems, not the least of which was an allergic reaction to an antiobiotic I've never had problems with before.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    Thanks, Helen! I had impacted wisdom teeth right before our submarine went to sea! Never been more miserable in my LIFE. I had to go to submarine tender and get them pulled, then was given codeine which I quickly discovered I was allergic to while riding a rocking submarine out to sea for patrol... nightmare!
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    I'm sick to death of Fascist Nazis - Republicans and Republican Lite - Democrats.

    Sick to death of it! We do NOT have a progressive party to represent us. None!
  • ChrisSF · 4 months ago
    The public option (in other words, anything that remotely resembles real reform) is going to die a slow painful death unless people hold Democrats like Baucus and Carper's feet to the fire. I am not optimistic.
  • NovaNardis · 4 months ago
    There are more important things in the bill that the public option.

    ...

    Like what Senator?
  • Juan · 4 months ago
    The Health Insurance Exchange, expanded Medicaid, poverty subsidies, mandatory minimum benefits, choice to keep/drop current insurance. The actual public plan under debate will be a good thing – but its not the centerpiece of fixing the health care system.
  • TomaHawk · 4 months ago
    I'm from Delaware. Carper spent time in the state assembly and then two terms as governor, then on to the Senate. If pharma and the insurance companies are putting money in one pocket, another is being stuffed by the credit card companies. If he is challenged in a primary for the next election, for sure I'm voting against him. In the past several years that I have been paying attention, he has been a waste of Delaware's space. He is corporate biased, not a supporter of the Delaware voter. Unfortunately, the Delaware voters don't pay much attention to the record and vote for the names on the ballot that they recognize. Being in politics for over 30 years a lot of people know his name but not what he has done, or not done.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 4 months ago
    or rather unfortunately most voters, no matter the state, are far too busy watching things like "Dirty Jobs" or "American Idol" to know who is actually running for office.
  • tduffy2 · 4 months ago
    Did anyone here actually understand and comprehend what this senator was saying?

    He spoke so quickly and incoherently that I was reminded of one of those quick legalese statements you hear at the end of some commercial that you know is NOT good for you.
  • ezpz · 4 months ago
    Good job, David Shuster.

    Meanwhile....

    "White House Open To Deal On Public Health Plan"

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692407982802...

    The public option that 'some' approve are those coops the DINOs were talking about, which will be worse than HMOs. and even more will lose health care, unless of course, it's mandated, in which case, more will lose their homes.

    Either way - we're scrooood.
  • JamesR · 4 months ago
    I was waiting for Schuster to say 'Gee if I were paid 300+ K dollars that's what I would say too.' or 'What convinces us that this is the most wise plan for us, when it's obvious it's the plan your masters would have first?' But he did well enough with the graphics and his limited soundbite of time available. Good job.

    What a weasel! (Apologies to actual weasels.)

    Aside from dodging the 5000 pound elephant of obvious BRIBERY in the interview - what's up with "Bipartisanship" anyway?

    WHY is that so necessary - if you were expecting your plan to be a success????

    It hit me just as he changed the subject to it - They must be planning for failure!

    Um, I mean, if I had a majority and had a good idea I would keep it to myself, force the other side to oppose it, and then use it against them all come election time. Right? I mean, if they were planning anything worthwhile. Only failure is shared like that.

    Am I missing something - can it be that simple??
  • Mum48 · 4 months ago
    I would be very interested in hearing from some of the people, those Delaware constituents that he claims are his "lobbyists," who have called his offices about the public option. I would particularly like to hear from those who are against the public option. I can't imagine that you would be against a public option unless you: (a) didn't understand how it works, or (b) worked for an insurance or pharmaceutical company.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 4 months ago
    Okay posting this once more here...sorry for repeating...buddy from college went on to Yale law...right after law school he started at Blue Cross...thirty five years later retired...$22M dollar bonus...his sole purpose at BC was to find legal ways to deny a claim or coverage....when I asked him how ONE insurance company could pay that kind of obscene amount to ONE lawyer, he said that I was terribly naive about how K street works, the REAL government.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    "how K street works" - I used to work in D.C. and I can attest to that!
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    "and that government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish from the earth..."
  • Indigo · 4 months ago
    HA-ha!
  • Mike_in_the_Tundra · 4 months ago
    Well, without getting a report from his urologist, we now know David has a pair.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    Gee whiz, Carper talks faster than a used used car salesman.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 4 months ago
    Good job, David Shuster. Next time please call him on that "we want bipartisanship" bullshit. Bipartisanship is a smokescreen. It has nothing to do with workability of a health care plan.