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I just had this picture of Diaper Dave Vitter speaking about family values, imagining he would say gays were icky because they were obsessed with their anuses....
But then again, I don't know how they managed to get over on Jerry Herman in 1992, I think it was. That was the Repugnant National Convention that turned into one long gay-bashing led by Pat Buchannan. But their therme music all week long was "The Best of Times" from "La Cage aux Folles" I appear to be the only person who caught the irony.
What the hell did Jerry think--or do--about that?
I hope the LDS doesn't get the licensing to use music composed by the very people their policies/doctrines oppose.
At least when I clicked on Pat Boone's "Tutti Frutti", You-Tube had a link on the side that sent me to Little Richard's original. That was much enjoyed, expecially the chubby guy and his girl who won the dance contest and all the white teenagers sitting around grooving and looking for all the world like something out of Corlis Archer.
Scared yet?
Whatever sympathy you folks may have had in early Nov. has been swept away by your collective temper tantrum.
We're not taking advice from wingnuts on how to gain civil rights.
The California Supreme Court will be taking the issue up in March, and is required to give a ruling within 90 days.
Unlikely they're going to overturn their own previous ruling.
So buh-bye Pro H8.
(And in the extremely unlikely situation that California Supreme Court overrules itself -- not only has public opinion changed negatively enuf to win with a counter prop in 2010, but statistically, enough old fogey pro-hate voters will have died, and enuf anti-hate youth voters to also turn the tables on discrimination.)
No one is asking your church or any other church to perform religious wedding cerimonies for gay couples. Catholic churches refuse to perform weddings for couples when one is divorced now and no one is suing them over it.
Your religious beliefs are not under attack here. Believe what you want to. Just stop trying to make everyone else follow your dogma. And, please stop trampling on the religious beliefs of those denominations that support marriage equality. Your religious beliefs are not more important to theirs or to those who have no religious beliefs. PERIOD.
There is not now, nor has there ever been a religious requirement to obtain a CIVIL marriage license. Atheists and agnostics get married every day without ever stepping foot inside a church.
There is no now, nor has there ever been a fertility requirement to obtain a CIVIL marriage license. So, let's stop talking about saving hetero marriage for "the children". Do you believe that hetero couples will stop getting married and raising families if gays are allowed to marry?
Implementing marriage equality will have no effect on hetero marriage at all. Those who claim it would "devalue" hetero marriage are probably the same ones who yelled out "There goes the neighborhood" when a non-white, non-protestant family moved in next door.
Marriage is for procreation? Then stop issuing CIVIL licenses to infertile couples and couples past child-bearing age.
Gay marriage will harm children? How? Will heteros stop marrying and having children? For each gay couple that gets married, will one hetero couple be forced to divorce?
Do you believe that sexuality is a choice and by giving recognition to gay relationships your otherwise straight children may DECIDE to turn gay? LOL
Being gay is NOT A CHOICE. You're gay, straight or bi and you aren't going to change. You may choose to repress your sexuality based on what your family, church or society teach you. But, it doesn't change your sexuality. Gays do have a choice. But, it is the same choice that heteros have. You can choose to be sexually active or celibate. You can choose to be faithful to your partner or promiscuous. But, you don't choose your sexuality. PERIOD
Stopping gays from marrying does not make fewer gays or fewer gays with children. All it does is make life for those gays and their children (if they have them) more difficult. It has no effect at all on unrelated hetero marriages. PERIOD
I agree that you said it very well.
I'm straight but I fully support - no, DEMAND
that all LGBT folks are accorded the same
exact "rights" accorded to myself.
this is a civil rights issue, let's make it clear
to all throughout the world.
we are ALL human beings, and sexuality
is every person's own personal matter no
more my business or yours than it is that
of the government or any churches or
other individual's - and that's that.
there are some that say "never" and
others that say "just wait, it will happen"
but I say "the time is NOW" so I'd urge
everybody to realize that there are some
who may not share the lifestyle (for lack
of a better word, my bad if it's totally
inappropriate) but are not at all even
the tiniest bit threatened nor afraid to
step up in favor of equality and fairness
for all.
I've worked for gay people, i've worked with gay people,
I have dear friends who are gay - none of this matters
to me even though I don't understand the whole same
sex attraction. so what? love is love and there's not a
thing wrong with it. the important thing to keep in mind
is that I'm not threatened, I'm in favor of it. everybody
should be able to be what they are and be proud of it
at the same time being and living happy as possible.
And then, I guess someone has to ask how you would react if a group of people voted to remove your civil rights. Let's say we all voted that you couldn't marry or have children. What would your reaction be? Would you take anyone who charaterized your reaction as a "temper tanrum" seriously?
That should provide some insight to you about how unfounded and quite frankly bigoted comments such as yours are perceived, not just on this blog, but by rational reality-based people.
When will the religious nut cases ever get the point. We don't care what they want to believe, go ahead and believe it. Just don't try to force it on others through legislation.
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/11/16/...
I just really think people should think twice before voting out other people's rights and therefore being unconstitutional in this country. What about the day when the Mormon church comes to remove these voters rights to share in the pursuit of happiness in the country? Smooth move voters!!! What about the day when they want to remove your civil rights because their belief systems? There's a reason why the Judges keep turning it over, it's unconstitutional!! It's for the health of the FREE country.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/...
Here's a good article that I thought explained it really well.
Apprently in todays Salt Lake Tribune there was a full page ad taken out by someone as a counter-attack to the NYTimes support for mormon H8 ad that appeared last week. But I do not think the ad is in the on-line version of the paper, just in the print version.
Just thought that it would make a good blog topic if you get a chance to see the ad.
sitemonitor
http://www.truthwinsout.org/wp-content/uploads/...
Even a stopped clock is blah blah blah and all that.
a link to a story about the ad
why stop there though?
EVERY gay owned/operated business or service should drop the lds church (and affiliates) from its accounts.
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Fight the hate-filled Mormon Cult at each and every turn!
And the fact that Christians tolerate their abomination proves Christianity is a joke...
I agree with your second P.
The Mormon Cult hates gay people.
To deny a group of people equality is hate. No if, ands or buts, it is hate.
Plain, pure and simple hate.
Stop the Mormon Cults hate campaign! Fight them at each and every turn.
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I have houseplants smarter than you.
Why should they reap the benefits of gay written music?
You mormons sure have lying down to an art. Lying for the Lord indeed.
In case you still don't get it, to answer you more directly this Constitution concept that you don't understand protects the Church or any other person from believing and speaking however they want but you can't legislate your beliefs on everybody. Separation of Church and State! That is how the system works, that is why you Catholics and Mormons and Muslims aren't killing eachother for power in this country like you have done in places like the holy land who do not have these protections and separations. Do you get it?????
Saramento Bee, July 1, 2008
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1051404.html
Here's a pre-written response from Krakauer in the face of Mormon criticism. "In response, Krakauer criticized the LDS Church, citing the opinion of historian D. Michael Quinn, an ex-communicated member of the church, who wrote, "The tragic reality is that there have been occasions when Church leaders, teachers, and writers have not told the truth they knew about difficulties of the Mormon past, but have offered to the Saints instead a mixture of platitudes, half-truths, omissions, and plausible denials." Krakauer wrote, "I happen to share Dr. Quinn's perspective."
And there's a lot of other books out about incidents with the Mormon church that do not cast you all in your shining light of "righteousness" as you wish. And, that's just too bad for you! Because we go by the Constitution in this country -- check out the first and fourteenth amendments and try to educate yourself beyond that tiny scope religion.
Mormon, Inc. = $$$$$$$$
This is what your 20 million dollars bought you. Enjoy!
the mormon cult was attempting to go "mainstream" by joining forces with the catholics, but instead, their intolerance & bigotry scheme is blowing up in their faces .
(the world will NEVER, EVER forget what they did).
the mormons BLEW IT.
the mormons will be coming after those next.