AMERICAblog: MUST-SEE TV: GOP consultants on accidental open-mic - Palin pick is 'bullshit,' race 'is over'
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Could there be any better introduction for Sarah Palin's speech tonight!! This clip is all over the internet. It just shows what pundits really think of McCain's "decision making". Typical Republicans, they lie to your face, anything to get the votes.
Outraged2
· 1 year ago
Open mikes are such a bitch! Just ask Jesse!
hardeknox
· 1 year ago
"You two will never work in this town again."
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
And throw Campbell Brown on CNN in there too.
LOL
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
"The greatness of McCain is no cynicism..."
my. ass.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
As Chuck Todd's last 2 words were,
THANKS GUYS
GrMtGirl
· 1 year ago
They are at the absolute peak of desperation "do anything to save us mode. . . . sad for the country but a comedy of errors for the Democrates.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Really hysterical...Talk about straight talk express!
Sage24
· 1 year ago
So finally the truth is coming out....despite all the glowing terms and the happiness shown about Palin, deep down they know it is a huge, huge, mistake. Anyone with half a brain should realize that McCain has made the worst pick ever for VP. This woman is small town, with little town ideas and experience. If McCain wanted to distract the country from the real issues he has succeeded.
Notice, Palin is already like Cheney? She is keeps away from interviews, and probably will end up in an undisclosed location.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Come on now...Doesn't Mike Murphy's head look like a toilet paper roll sans tissue???
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
oddly enough, yeah!
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
So it is all hype. And wait till the moderates see the video of Palin speaking in front of her church.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Anyone have Noonan and Murphay's comments over the last few days? Their "pubic" comments? I'd love to see if they gushed over such a "maverick" pick, on air, and now have been caught with their pants around their ankles (pardon the visual imagery there)...
I think it is absolutely perfect. Hope we see this story get some legs...damn if this convention week would just get the hell over so we can get on to slow news days and covering McCain/Palin scandal #197, 198, 199, 200, 201, well, you get the picture...
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Contrast Noonan's spoken word to her written word in today WSJ:
A Clear and Present Danger To the American Left September 3, 2008
St. Paul
Notes from the convention:
Drafts of John McCain's acceptance speech have been bopping around the inside of the campaign for at least a few days, and a question is whether or how much it will be changed to account for the hurricane in New Orleans and the Gulf coast. An early draft is said to have been direct to the point of rambunctious in drawing contrasts between the policies of Obama and McCain. "Lotta biography, lotta foreign policy, taking Obama straight on," said a GOP strategist Tuesday afternoon. The final draft may be different, softer.
Advice? By Thursday night rambunctious will be fine, and a relief. Great political parties must show compassion, but they don't want to wilt with the weight of it.
And: Wit, wit, wit. Humor. "A maid laughing is half taken," said a randy old Elizabethan poet. A voter laughing is half yours, and just received a line he can repeat next weekend over a beer at the barbecue or online at Starbucks. Here is a fact of American politics: If you make us laugh we spread your line for free. [John McCain]
I do not understand the absence of humor, that powerful weapon, that rhetorical cannon, in this year's campaign. There are a lot of things to say here but let me tell you the first I think of. America is a huge and lonely country. We are vast, stretch coast to coast, live in self-sufficient pods; modern culture tends us toward the atomic, the fractured and broken up. When two people meet, as they come to know each other as neighbors or colleagues, one of the great easers, one of the great ways of making a simple small human connection is: shared laughter. We are a political nation. We talk politics. So fill that area with humor: sly humor, teasing humor, humor that speaks a great truth or makes a sharp point.
Obama talked to the audience; he talked TO America. McCain should talk with the audience. He should keep in mind that if his audience is laughing and chanting, it will help him with his delivery. As they cheer he can smile, while checking his next line. I am told alternately that he has given up on the teleprompter and will go straight from text, and that he will use a teleprompter. I assume the latter is true. If it is it will be interesting to see if he has mastered it. That will tell us if he practiced the speech. That will tell us if he knows what this speech IS, which is one big fat brilliant opportunity. If he's reading from text, well, it is not true that this is impossible in the media age. People didn't use teleprompters until 30 years ago. But when McCain reads straight from text we tend to see a lot of the top of his head, with the soft white hair and the pink brow glistening under the lights. Which tends to accentuate his age. So how he does the speech is of more than academic interest.
Watch for this: How does McCain differentiate himself from President Bush – or distance himself from him -- in front of Bush's party?
***
The choice of Sarah Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, the pass the guy who thinks he has a good arm makes to the receiver he hopes is gifted.
Most Hail Mary passes don't work.
But when they do they're a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
*** [Sarah Palin]
Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign.
More immediately and seriously on Palin:
Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing -- who is really one of them and who is not -- and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.
She could become a transformative political presence.
So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick.
And it's going to be brutal. It's already getting there.
There are only two questions.
1. Can she take it?
Will she be rattled? Can she sail through high seas? Can she roll with most punches and deliver some jabs herself?
2. And while she's taking it, rolling with it and sailing through, can she put herself forward convincingly as serious enough, grounded enough, weighty enough that the American people can imagine her as vice president of the United States?
I suppose every candidate for vice president faces these questions to some degree, but because Palin is new, unknown, and a woman, it's all much more so.
***
I don't think the most powerful attack line will be, in the end, inexperience. Our nation appears to be in a cycle in which inexperience seems something of a lure. "He's fresh, he's new, he hasn't appalled me yet!" I don't think it's age. While Palin seems to me young, so does Obama. I freely concede this is a drawback of getting older: you keep upping your idea of what "old enough" is. But only because when you're 50 you know you're wiser and more seasoned than you were at 40, or should be.
America, even as it ages, loves youth and admires its strength.
I think the left will go hard on this: Fringe. Radical. What goes on in her church? Isn't she extreme? Does she really think God wants a pipeline? What does Sarah Barracuda really mean? They're going to try and make her strange, outré, oddball. And not in a good way.
In all this, and in its involvement in this week's ritual humiliation of a 17-year-old girl, the mainstream press may seriously overplay its hand, and court a backlash that impacts the election. More on that in a moment.
***
I'll tell you how powerful Mrs. Palin already is: she reignited the culture wars just by showing up. She scrambled the battle lines, too. The crustiest old Republican men are shouting "Sexism!" when she's slammed. Pro-woman Democrats are saying she must be a bad mother to be all ambitious with kids in the house. Great respect goes to Barack Obama not only for saying criticism of candidates' children is out of bounds in political campaigns, but for making it personal, and therefore believable. "My mother had me when she was eighteen…" That was the lovely sound of class in American politics.
***
Let me say of myself and almost everyone I know in the press, all the chattering classes and political strategists and inside dopesters of the Amtrak Acela Line: We live in a bubble and have around us bubble people. We are Bubbleheads. We know this and try to compensate for it by taking road trips through the continent -- we're on one now, in Minneapolis -- where we talk to normal people. But we soon forget the pithy, knowing thing the garage mechanic said in the diner, and anyway we weren't there long enough in the continent to KNOW, to absorb. We view through a prism of hyper-sophistication, and judge by the rules of Chevy Chase and Greenwich, of Cleveland Park and McLean, of Bronxville and Manhattan.
And again we know this, we know this is our limit, our lack.
But we also forget it.
And when you forget you're a Bubblehead you get in trouble, you misjudge things. For one thing, you assume evangelical Christians will be appalled and left agitated by the circumstances of Mrs. Palin's daughter. But modern American evangelicals are among the last people who'd judge her harshly. It is the left that is about to go crazy with Puritan judgments; it is the right that is about to show what mellow looks like. Religious conservatives know something's wrong with us, that man's a mess. They are not left dazed by the latest applications of this fact. "This just in – there's a lot of sinning going on out there" is not a headline they'd understand to be news.
So the media's going to wait for the Christian right to rise up and condemn Mrs. Palin, and they're not going to do it because it's not their way, and in any case her problems are their problems. Christians lived through the second half of the 20th century, and the first years of the 21st. They weren't immune from the culture, they just eventually broke from it, or came to hold themselves in some ways apart from it. I think the media will explain the lack of condemnation as "Republican loyalty" and "talking points." But that's not what it will be.
Another Bubblehead blind spot. I'm bumping into a lot of critics who do not buy the legitimacy of small town mayorship (Palin had two terms in Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000 or so) and executive as opposed to legislative experience. But executives, even of small towns, run something. There are 262 cities in this country with a population of 100,000 or more. But there are close to a hundred thousand small towns with ten thousand people or less. "You do the math," the conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway told me. "We are a nation of Wasillas, not Chicagos."
***
The mainstream media, which has been holding endless symposia here on the future of media in the 21st century, is in danger of missing a central fact of that future: If they appear, once again, as they have in the past, to be people not reporting the battle but engaged in the battle, if they allow themselves to be tagged by that old tag, which so tarnished them in the past, they will do more to imperil their own future than the Internet has.
This is true: fact is king. Information is king. Great reporting is what every honest person wants now, it's the one ironic thing we have less of in journalism than we need. But reporting that carries an agenda, that carries Bubblehead assumptions and puts them forth as obvious truths? Well, some people want that. But if I were doing a business model for broadsheets and broadcast networks I'd say: Fact and data are our product, we're putting everything into reporting, that's what we're selling, interpretation is the reader's job, and think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks.
That was a long way of saying: Dig deep into Sarah Palin, get all you can, talk to everybody, get every vote, every quote, tell us of her career and life, she may be the next vice president. But don't play games. And leave her kid alone, bitch.
***
Final point. Palin's friends should be less immediately worried about what the Obama campaign will do to her than what the McCain campaign will do. This is a woman who's tough enough to work her way up and through, and to say yes to a historic opportunity, but she will know little of, or rather have little experience in, the mischief inherent in national Republican politics. She will be mobbed up in the McCain campaign by people who care first about McCain and second about themselves. (Or, let's be honest, often themselves first and then McCain.) Palin will never be higher than number three in their daily considerations. They won't have enough interest in protecting her, advancing her, helping her play to her strengths, helping her kick away from danger. And – there is no nice way to say this, even though at this point I shouldn't worry about nice – some of them are that worst sort of aide, dim and insensitive past or present lobbyists with high self-confidence. She'll be a thing to them; they'll see the smile and the chignon and the glasses and think she's Truvi from Steel Magnolias. They'll run right over her, not because they're strong but because they're stupid. The McCain campaign better get straight on this. He should step in, knock heads, scare his own people and get Palin the help and high-level staff all but the most seasoned vice presidential candidates require.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Shorter Peggy: Visit a hair salon!
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
"So the media's going to wait for the Christian right to rise up and condemn Mrs. Palin, and they're not going to do it because it's not their way" ... unless of course Palin were a godless democrat. then you wouldn't hear the end of the opprobrium from the pious pricks. does Noonan believes her own crap? does she have any shame?
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
There is a vast, vast difference between being mayor of a major metropolis and mayor of "city" of under 10,000. The budget of Los Angeles would probably equal the budget of the state of Alaska for at least a decade. I'm sure she has faced crises, it is inevitable with any sort of leadership. But, big city mayors face crisis upon crisis, piled upon crisis, often a mountain of crises all demand resolution at the same time or to be solved first. The population of Wassalia is less than 10,000, but that is about the size of the Los Angeles, less than Chicago's police force and half the size of the 20,000 trigger happy, murdering, bigoted brothers of the shield in New York. How many times have New Yorks finest gone to trial for gunning down innocent, unarmed civilians to say nothing of raping a prisoner with a broom handle and resulting in the victim having to live the rest of his life with a colostomy. Oh yeah, none of the police were ever convicted, not even in the last case, much to the New York city's mayor.
How many stoplights are there in Wasallia. I doubt anyone knows the number in Los Angeles ... or maybe New York or Chicago. I doubt their mayors even know the budget to maintain those stoplights or add more.
Oh yeah, the job of mayor of those major cities is a full time job with many, many hours of overtime, at meetings with constituents, with the chamber of commerce, with the city council, with visiting politicians, and foreign dignitaries, lawyers pleading for their [Republican] convict clients, settle labor disputes, take angry constituents calls about potholes,opening shopping centers, supermarkets, theaters, in the case of Daley, drinking with his Mafia buddies, obligatory attendance at sports functions (poor poor Vilarigosa having to watch the Dodgers lose season after season), etc. Wasn’t it the first Mayor Daley who is buried somewhere in concrete of some construction project? And a couple years ago, there was the Latino protest march on the Los Angeles civic center that was estimated to number 2,000,000. The following May Day there was the police race riot at MacArthur Park where the police got revenge for being unable to beat any of the illegal immigrants at the prior protest. Does Palin possess the skill to cover up the police riot and make it seem accidental and provoked by the picnickers at McArthur Park?
I’m certain Palin has had to deal with problems the big city mayor have never had like invasions of polar bears, moose, carabou, etc. Probably also has had angry, hungry Canadian geese stage a protest in front of her office. Even worse, she probably has had angry geese dive bombing her city hall office or her official mayor’s car. Yeah, I’m certain that being mayor of Wasallia was a full time job of very, very hard work and overtime.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Andrew Sullivan has Noonan's most recent column on SP linked. Noonan is revealed as the GOP mouthpiece that she is. Two sides to that faux-finishing school mouth of hers...
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I say we all get a collection going for the person who left the mike on.
Upland_Oddball
· 1 year ago
Obama and the Democrats owe him or her BIG TIME! Just don't give him or her a job operating our mikes. LOL
lisainWA
· 1 year ago
I'm breathing a sigh of relief that maybe all Republicans aren't crazy!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You're kidding right? This just proves they think WE ARE CRAZY and that we don't know what they are up to. They WILLFULLY lie to us until they are safely "off mike" then laugh and giggle about how we are being PLAYED by the ESTABLISHMENT. It is HUGE for them to get caught in their own web of lies. What they said "ON AIR" versus "OFF AIR." Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are HUGE LIARS!
lisainWA
· 1 year ago
I didn't say they had any ethics. If they see the Palin pick as bullshit then they had a moment of sanity. That's all.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
McCain wanted Lieberman or Ridge, and when the Romney and other establishment repubs objected the gave it the old Navy Fuck You and selected Palin to smear the fundie shit in Mitt's face. Mitt liked it. And so the story moves on.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
What Noonan and Murphy REALLY think of the McCain campaign's nasty, cynical politics. Sweet! BTW: look at Mrs. Robert "Down Boy" Dole's plummeting poll #s in NC!
There are some great ones on there. People are very creative!!
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
Oh. My. God. I laughed so hard, I could feel the tinkle running down my pants leg. That was great!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
The pressure mounts on poor Caribou Barbie... Will she snowmachine her Artic parka-clad hotness into the metaphoric success of a full-course moose sausage dinner???
Upland_Oddball
· 1 year ago
The more Republicans lie, the bigger the orgasm. Attending the RNC is better than being a buffed, ripped, tall, hung,walking and breathing Greek athlete statue with flawless skin at a Gay White Party. Its a non-stop orgy!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
This is INCREDIBLE! STUNNING! FINALLY CAUGHT RED HANDED! This is what the media does. They bullshit us then kibbitz about what a bunch of fools we are for buying their crap when they think they are "off the air!"
houstonray
· 1 year ago
I think that's what ticks me off the most. Sure I love hearing it, but like you said, it's those same people that see the green "live" light on the camera and spew out glowing and wonderful words so that everyone thinks everything is great and hunky dory and then the lights go off and they say what the REST of us are thinking and/or know...
It's fake, it's just all so freaking fake...
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Its unregulated...
EdSikov
· 1 year ago
Could it be the fact that she hates this country so much she wants to secede from it? Or is it the knocked-up underage daughter?
Eenie meanie miney mo....
Sign me - a meanie 'mo.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Baby Jane! We missed ya!
Rab
· 1 year ago
I notice the language that these clowns use and I include Todd in this, some of it is like alien speak. No wonder the country is so fucked up when you have fucktards like these on the airwaves.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Yes, those fuckatards - and that is a good description, finally got caught trying to manipulate us.
jcgraham77
· 1 year ago
I thought it was just me...I was almost left confused until I got to the bullsh*t part. Then I understood what they were saying. And, I think I get their narrative--"Stinky old Republican fart picks pious, IceQueen Moose hunter for VP slot over Stinky Old Republican Jew." It sounds like a great story--wish I had that book as a kid. Also, does the IceQueen look as constipated as McCain to anyone else???
devis1
· 1 year ago
HAHAHA--sanctimonious church lady.
Jersey
· 1 year ago
Find what they said about her before this. What exactly were the lies they said in the interview when they thought people were watching.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
Great video in so many ways. I hope it becomes the final prick that pops the Great MSM BubbleWorld.
Republicans are always shouting about somethingorother, but they're all cursing themselves under their breath now.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
If THIS doesn't bust the traditional media BUBBLE WORLD then NOTHING WILL! I'm sure someone is getting locked up in GITMO RIGHT NOW over all this. The "little people" weren't supposed to be fed the TRUTH!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Peggy will be sleeping with the dolphins...
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Noonan problably has a very nice nonqualified deferred compensation account balance after years of dropping flowery words of praise on the shit actions of her republican masters.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Rest assured Palin will get wind of this before she goes on stage tonight.
Look for McCain to go fundie populist with this pentacostal snake dancer at his side babbling in tongues and go against the repub establishment Noonan's of the world, characterizing them as talking head DC/Manhattan blinded elitists.
gwpriester
· 1 year ago
The great thing about the authoritarian mind is you do not admit you made a mistake. You make your mistake and you stick with it. To go back is to admit failure.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
The last one out close the door. This party is over.
EdSikov
· 1 year ago
Karol! It's been forever! Please email me at EdSikov at america online. I'd like to chat with you but lost your email address.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Like the REPUBLICAN GODDESS, Peggy Noonan, said, "ITS OVER!"
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
It may well be that the Republicans don't care. Not that they have written off 2008, far from it, but because they know it is in the bag regardless, thanks to Diebold and other voter fraud or a coup d'etat.
alaskan
· 1 year ago
Yeah! Bus-Gate is just now starting to come out. Set your watches and see how long it takes to make it to the MSM.
Noonan and Murphy... the bigger they think they are, the harder they fall
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Strangely, Mr. Huckabee could come off as tonight's statesperson...Just try cooking moose on a popcorn popper!
ROCK_ROLL
· 1 year ago
THIS SCENARIO WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EPISODES OF "THE WEST WING" ALSO-SOME TIMES WHEN YOU ARE "LOCKED-IN" YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OUT THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN! PRESIDENT AND ABBEY BARTLETT WOULD BE SO PROUD
Mark217
· 1 year ago
Wow, these christianist goppers have major potty mouth. They are really an inauthentic bunch
jcgraham77
· 1 year ago
Is it too late for them to dump McCrazypants and the IceWitch???
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
JEB/Hasselbeck08???
houstonray
· 1 year ago
OMG, in your post, Jeb didn't scare me as much as Hasselbeck did....brrrr....cold chills...that woman is batshit crazy!
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
i would love to hear that evil screeching fundie nut defend Palin.
eliot99
· 1 year ago
MADE MY DAY!!!
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Watching my local news here and they had their 'live from the convention' segment and I officially do not want to watch. Oh the Repubs going on and on about how wonderful she is and her family difficulties only make them stronger, and she's been such a great leader for the "largest state in America" so that means she can run the country, she's one of 'us', she's down to Earth, she's a mom, blah blah freakin blah...
Think tonight will be a TV free night. I'd rather turn it on tomorrow and hope for the next scandal...
p.s. But I will be on here, reading the comments of those watching...don't fail me people!!!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm GLAD the traditional media AGREE WITH US. But why are they SO ANGRY? I mean they just said EXACTLY what we've been saying, and how did they describe us? "ANGRY LEFT?" "ANGRY LIBERALS?"
They seem to be FAR MORE angry than us...
SNARK!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
I love it... now, will ANY of the MSM catch on that REPUBLICAN PUNDITS are saying this???!?!?
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Don't you GET IT? They all KNOW REPUBLICAN PUNDITS are saying this. Its a big game they are playing on us. The media is too powerful to tell the truth anymore. They want the status quo and they are playing mind games. They tell the SHEEPLE what they want them to hear and its all scripted. Then when the mics go off, they speak the truth. THIS TIME THEY GOT CAUGHT!
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Star Tribune (Minneapolis) has it posted on thier site:
Explain to me why 2 people that clearly think Palin is a joke and and are disturbed that McCain made this choice go "on mic" and push Americans to vote for her. Why?
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Amen
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Because the press are all bought and paid for whores that only do as their masters say. I heard Noonan is rrequired to shine the shoes of the executive brass at the WSJ.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Because Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are paid handsomely to LIE TO US.
Next question...
nsr
· 1 year ago
Woo hoo! Noonan: That oughta hold the little bastards!
I sent a very polite email to MSNBC and asked if Chuck Todd could get Nooners to explain what she meant by "over".
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
I haven't watched one minute of the Republican convention. It's all spin and lies. This just proves it. Frankin had it right: 'Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
one comment... what were they saying BEFORE the mic was left open?
what was the discussion... and what did they say about palin THEN??
what GOP talking points were they using as propaganda (which is what it IS... if they say what they really think when the mic's supposed to be OFF).
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Is it just me or are you seeing what I'm seeing. The traditional media are talking, looking and acting VERY WORRIED over this. Its like a funeral or something. Yep, they got caught! The BIG LIE has been exposed and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Everything the progressive left has been saying about PROPAGANDA is TRUE!
Now, we need to be VERY, VERY CAREFUL. You think these people are going to back down quietly? Don't bet on it! If they are willing to sell their bullshit for all these years, don't think they are going to accept the truth being told to the sheeple. We better be watching and vigilant because there is no telling what those in power might do now. Imagine being part of the Bu$hco. Admin and seeing and hearing this. Talk about desperate? They KNOW its OVER!
JamesR
· 1 year ago
I've lived long enough to hear Peggy Noonan say "bullshit" in context, and mean it. Sweet God.
"THANKS GUYS!"
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
No wonder Obama said to lay off Palin's kids. He knows the Republicans are eating their own. He can afford to take the high ground.
ydthin
· 1 year ago
I hope he maintains that stand, at least for a while. He knows that Americans don't need to be told how to think about this stuff. I appreciate that he's not telling people how they should feel about it. We know it's complete b.s. without any help from politicians.
dacnova
· 1 year ago
Do a Google News search on "Noonan". This story is getting coverage!
Gorgonzola
· 1 year ago
Can it possibly get any sweeter than this. So much for the careers of Murphy and Noonan as GOP water carriers. Also, Chuck Todd should be looking for employment in the used car business very soon.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
MSNBC still has Murphy commenting. ARE THEY INSANE? From now on anytime those jokers are on television this little stunt will be remembered! Remember folks, you can't trust Republican operatives. They LIE TO YOU until they are off air and then tell what they actually think about their party SUCKING EGGS!
patrick314
· 1 year ago
Now that's what I call party unity...
patrick314
· 1 year ago
Oh man, Mike Murphy's talking out the side of his mouth LIVE on MSNBC again. Hope they remember to turn off his mic this time.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Why doesn't MSNBC report on this? This story is getting major news media coverage and their ignoring it makes them look like they are just spreading MORE PROPAGANDA.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
I love it... hey peggy? spread propaganda much??
let's see what peggy had to say in the WSJ TODAY shall we?
QUOTE FROM TODAY: "Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign."
so... Peggy...how's it feel to have a microphone catch you saying what you REALLY think instead of what you're TOLD to think? .
devis1
· 1 year ago
Keith did suggest they wrap Murphy up last week, nobody listened.
Cjeffery
· 1 year ago
Man this is krama everything that once hurt Obama is now happing to them.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Peggy Noonan has always been a Professional Liar and Bullshit Artist. All of her columns, speeches and books are pure bullshit and lies. She has no conscience.
ydthin
· 1 year ago
wow, what a bunch of "sexists". LOL
whomod
· 1 year ago
Stick a fork in, it's over.
It really is galling though that Murphy is still on TV touting Palin like a good dutiful Republican and MSNBC is going along. To be "fair' of course. Just like "to be far" they elevated expectations of Hillary's chances and made it seem as if we were in some 50/50 race the entire time.
So now we know what Noonan really thinks, what Murphy really thinks and what Todd really thinks of this dog and pony show. and true to form, they're going to play this rehearsed farce til the bitter end in hopes of making this as exciting as they possibly can to viewers, instead of actually proving the facts and the truth of what they really all think. And IMO, I think they also try to sway the election with their false commentary to be closer than it needs to be for this very reason. A close race is more entertaining and thus more ratings generating than a blowout.
Rainlion
· 1 year ago
Too funny, she's posted a new "top" to her original story - trying to explain away her remarks... talking about what she really meant and what they were talking about. Sorry Peggy... we're not buying it...
whomod
· 1 year ago
I really think this video needs to be put in it's proper context.
I'm really interested to hear exactly what these 3 nitwits were saying ON AIR about Palin and if it directly contradicts what they say to themselves candidly when they think no one is listening.
Then we need to make a big stink about this to MSNBC. I DO NOT watch them for entertainment value and scripted narratives. I watch them to hear facts and honest opinions. That shouldn't be too much to ask for from cable news, should it?
193army
· 1 year ago
This just show how they will lie like a dog with a smile but this time got caught on mic....Mecca moment..
godems08
· 1 year ago
Peggy, Mike, Chuck. Why don't you just give it up and come on over to the Democratic Party? Life would certainly be easier and you wouldn't have to lie on the air.
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LOL
my. ass.
THANKS GUYS
Anyone with half a brain should realize that McCain has made the worst pick ever for VP. This woman is small town, with little town ideas and experience.
If McCain wanted to distract the country from the real issues he has succeeded.
Notice, Palin is already like Cheney? She is keeps away from interviews, and probably will end up in an undisclosed location.
And wait till the moderates see the video of Palin speaking in front of her church.
I think it is absolutely perfect. Hope we see this story get some legs...damn if this convention week would just get the hell over so we can get on to slow news days and covering McCain/Palin scandal #197, 198, 199, 200, 201, well, you get the picture...
A Clear and Present Danger
To the American Left
September 3, 2008
St. Paul
Notes from the convention:
Drafts of John McCain's acceptance speech have been bopping around the inside of the campaign for at least a few days, and a question is whether or how much it will be changed to account for the hurricane in New Orleans and the Gulf coast. An early draft is said to have been direct to the point of rambunctious in drawing contrasts between the policies of Obama and McCain. "Lotta biography, lotta foreign policy, taking Obama straight on," said a GOP strategist Tuesday afternoon. The final draft may be different, softer.
Advice? By Thursday night rambunctious will be fine, and a relief. Great political parties must show compassion, but they don't want to wilt with the weight of it.
And: Wit, wit, wit. Humor. "A maid laughing is half taken," said a randy old Elizabethan poet. A voter laughing is half yours, and just received a line he can repeat next weekend over a beer at the barbecue or online at Starbucks. Here is a fact of American politics: If you make us laugh we spread your line for free.
[John McCain]
I do not understand the absence of humor, that powerful weapon, that rhetorical cannon, in this year's campaign. There are a lot of things to say here but let me tell you the first I think of. America is a huge and lonely country. We are vast, stretch coast to coast, live in self-sufficient pods; modern culture tends us toward the atomic, the fractured and broken up. When two people meet, as they come to know each other as neighbors or colleagues, one of the great easers, one of the great ways of making a simple small human connection is: shared laughter. We are a political nation. We talk politics. So fill that area with humor: sly humor, teasing humor, humor that speaks a great truth or makes a sharp point.
Obama talked to the audience; he talked TO America. McCain should talk with the audience. He should keep in mind that if his audience is laughing and chanting, it will help him with his delivery. As they cheer he can smile, while checking his next line. I am told alternately that he has given up on the teleprompter and will go straight from text, and that he will use a teleprompter. I assume the latter is true. If it is it will be interesting to see if he has mastered it. That will tell us if he practiced the speech. That will tell us if he knows what this speech IS, which is one big fat brilliant opportunity. If he's reading from text, well, it is not true that this is impossible in the media age. People didn't use teleprompters until 30 years ago. But when McCain reads straight from text we tend to see a lot of the top of his head, with the soft white hair and the pink brow glistening under the lights. Which tends to accentuate his age. So how he does the speech is of more than academic interest.
Watch for this: How does McCain differentiate himself from President Bush – or distance himself from him -- in front of Bush's party?
***
The choice of Sarah Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, the pass the guy who thinks he has a good arm makes to the receiver he hopes is gifted.
Most Hail Mary passes don't work.
But when they do they're a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
***
[Sarah Palin]
Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign.
More immediately and seriously on Palin:
Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing -- who is really one of them and who is not -- and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.
She could become a transformative political presence.
So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick.
And it's going to be brutal. It's already getting there.
There are only two questions.
1. Can she take it?
Will she be rattled? Can she sail through high seas? Can she roll with most punches and deliver some jabs herself?
2. And while she's taking it, rolling with it and sailing through, can she put herself forward convincingly as serious enough, grounded enough, weighty enough that the American people can imagine her as vice president of the United States?
I suppose every candidate for vice president faces these questions to some degree, but because Palin is new, unknown, and a woman, it's all much more so.
***
I don't think the most powerful attack line will be, in the end, inexperience. Our nation appears to be in a cycle in which inexperience seems something of a lure. "He's fresh, he's new, he hasn't appalled me yet!" I don't think it's age. While Palin seems to me young, so does Obama. I freely concede this is a drawback of getting older: you keep upping your idea of what "old enough" is. But only because when you're 50 you know you're wiser and more seasoned than you were at 40, or should be.
America, even as it ages, loves youth and admires its strength.
I think the left will go hard on this: Fringe. Radical. What goes on in her church? Isn't she extreme? Does she really think God wants a pipeline? What does Sarah Barracuda really mean? They're going to try and make her strange, outré, oddball. And not in a good way.
In all this, and in its involvement in this week's ritual humiliation of a 17-year-old girl, the mainstream press may seriously overplay its hand, and court a backlash that impacts the election. More on that in a moment.
***
I'll tell you how powerful Mrs. Palin already is: she reignited the culture wars just by showing up. She scrambled the battle lines, too. The crustiest old Republican men are shouting "Sexism!" when she's slammed. Pro-woman Democrats are saying she must be a bad mother to be all ambitious with kids in the house. Great respect goes to Barack Obama not only for saying criticism of candidates' children is out of bounds in political campaigns, but for making it personal, and therefore believable. "My mother had me when she was eighteen…" That was the lovely sound of class in American politics.
***
Let me say of myself and almost everyone I know in the press, all the chattering classes and political strategists and inside dopesters of the Amtrak Acela Line: We live in a bubble and have around us bubble people. We are Bubbleheads. We know this and try to compensate for it by taking road trips through the continent -- we're on one now, in Minneapolis -- where we talk to normal people. But we soon forget the pithy, knowing thing the garage mechanic said in the diner, and anyway we weren't there long enough in the continent to KNOW, to absorb. We view through a prism of hyper-sophistication, and judge by the rules of Chevy Chase and Greenwich, of Cleveland Park and McLean, of Bronxville and Manhattan.
And again we know this, we know this is our limit, our lack.
But we also forget it.
And when you forget you're a Bubblehead you get in trouble, you misjudge things. For one thing, you assume evangelical Christians will be appalled and left agitated by the circumstances of Mrs. Palin's daughter. But modern American evangelicals are among the last people who'd judge her harshly. It is the left that is about to go crazy with Puritan judgments; it is the right that is about to show what mellow looks like. Religious conservatives know something's wrong with us, that man's a mess. They are not left dazed by the latest applications of this fact. "This just in – there's a lot of sinning going on out there" is not a headline they'd understand to be news.
So the media's going to wait for the Christian right to rise up and condemn Mrs. Palin, and they're not going to do it because it's not their way, and in any case her problems are their problems. Christians lived through the second half of the 20th century, and the first years of the 21st. They weren't immune from the culture, they just eventually broke from it, or came to hold themselves in some ways apart from it. I think the media will explain the lack of condemnation as "Republican loyalty" and "talking points." But that's not what it will be.
Another Bubblehead blind spot. I'm bumping into a lot of critics who do not buy the legitimacy of small town mayorship (Palin had two terms in Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000 or so) and executive as opposed to legislative experience. But executives, even of small towns, run something. There are 262 cities in this country with a population of 100,000 or more. But there are close to a hundred thousand small towns with ten thousand people or less. "You do the math," the conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway told me. "We are a nation of Wasillas, not Chicagos."
***
The mainstream media, which has been holding endless symposia here on the future of media in the 21st century, is in danger of missing a central fact of that future: If they appear, once again, as they have in the past, to be people not reporting the battle but engaged in the battle, if they allow themselves to be tagged by that old tag, which so tarnished them in the past, they will do more to imperil their own future than the Internet has.
This is true: fact is king. Information is king. Great reporting is what every honest person wants now, it's the one ironic thing we have less of in journalism than we need. But reporting that carries an agenda, that carries Bubblehead assumptions and puts them forth as obvious truths? Well, some people want that. But if I were doing a business model for broadsheets and broadcast networks I'd say: Fact and data are our product, we're putting everything into reporting, that's what we're selling, interpretation is the reader's job, and think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks.
That was a long way of saying: Dig deep into Sarah Palin, get all you can, talk to everybody, get every vote, every quote, tell us of her career and life, she may be the next vice president. But don't play games. And leave her kid alone, bitch.
***
Final point. Palin's friends should be less immediately worried about what the Obama campaign will do to her than what the McCain campaign will do. This is a woman who's tough enough to work her way up and through, and to say yes to a historic opportunity, but she will know little of, or rather have little experience in, the mischief inherent in national Republican politics. She will be mobbed up in the McCain campaign by people who care first about McCain and second about themselves. (Or, let's be honest, often themselves first and then McCain.) Palin will never be higher than number three in their daily considerations. They won't have enough interest in protecting her, advancing her, helping her play to her strengths, helping her kick away from danger. And – there is no nice way to say this, even though at this point I shouldn't worry about nice – some of them are that worst sort of aide, dim and insensitive past or present lobbyists with high self-confidence. She'll be a thing to them; they'll see the smile and the chignon and the glasses and think she's Truvi from Steel Magnolias. They'll run right over her, not because they're strong but because they're stupid. The McCain campaign better get straight on this. He should step in, knock heads, scare his own people and get Palin the help and high-level staff all but the most seasoned vice presidential candidates require.
How many stoplights are there in Wasallia. I doubt anyone knows the number in Los Angeles ... or maybe New York or Chicago. I doubt their mayors even know the budget to maintain those stoplights or add more.
Oh yeah, the job of mayor of those major cities is a full time job with many, many hours of overtime, at meetings with constituents, with the chamber of commerce, with the city council, with visiting politicians, and foreign dignitaries, lawyers pleading for their [Republican] convict clients, settle labor disputes, take angry constituents calls about potholes,opening shopping centers, supermarkets, theaters, in the case of Daley, drinking with his Mafia buddies, obligatory attendance at sports functions (poor poor Vilarigosa having to watch the Dodgers lose season after season), etc. Wasn’t it the first Mayor Daley who is buried somewhere in concrete of some construction project? And a couple years ago, there was the Latino protest march on the Los Angeles civic center that was estimated to number 2,000,000. The following May Day there was the police race riot at MacArthur Park where the police got revenge for being unable to beat any of the illegal immigrants at the prior protest. Does Palin possess the skill to cover up the police riot and make it seem accidental and provoked by the picnickers at McArthur Park?
I’m certain Palin has had to deal with problems the big city mayor have never had like invasions of polar bears, moose, carabou, etc. Probably also has had angry, hungry Canadian geese stage a protest in front of her office. Even worse, she probably has had angry geese dive bombing her city hall office or her official mayor’s car. Yeah, I’m certain that being mayor of Wasallia was a full time job of very, very hard work and overtime.
Its a hoot!!!
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/130303
Will she snowmachine her Artic parka-clad hotness into the metaphoric success of a full-course moose sausage dinner???
It's fake, it's just all so freaking fake...
Eenie meanie miney mo....
Sign me - a meanie 'mo.
Republicans are always shouting about somethingorother, but they're all cursing themselves under their breath now.
Look for McCain to go fundie populist with this pentacostal snake dancer at his side babbling in tongues and go against the repub establishment Noonan's of the world, characterizing them as talking head DC/Manhattan blinded elitists.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/destin...
Now I can get back to my life.
the bigger they think they are, the harder they fall
ALSO-SOME TIMES WHEN YOU ARE "LOCKED-IN" YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OUT THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN!
PRESIDENT AND ABBEY BARTLETT WOULD BE SO PROUD
Think tonight will be a TV free night. I'd rather turn it on tomorrow and hope for the next scandal...
p.s. But I will be on here, reading the comments of those watching...don't fail me people!!!
They seem to be FAR MORE angry than us...
SNARK!
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
Next question...
I sent a very polite email to MSNBC and asked if Chuck Todd could get Nooners to explain what she meant by "over".
This just proves it.
Frankin had it right: 'Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"
what was the discussion... and what did they say about palin THEN??
what GOP talking points were they using as propaganda (which is what it IS... if they say what they really think when the mic's supposed to be OFF).
Now, we need to be VERY, VERY CAREFUL. You think these people are going to back down quietly? Don't bet on it! If they are willing to sell their bullshit for all these years, don't think they are going to accept the truth being told to the sheeple. We better be watching and vigilant because there is no telling what those in power might do now. Imagine being part of the Bu$hco. Admin and seeing and hearing this. Talk about desperate? They KNOW its OVER!
"THANKS GUYS!"
let's see what peggy had to say in the WSJ TODAY shall we?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594...
QUOTE FROM TODAY:
"Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It's not going to be a little successful or a little not; it's not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history's accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we've never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign."
so... Peggy...how's it feel to have a microphone catch you saying what you REALLY think instead of what you're TOLD to think?
.
It really is galling though that Murphy is still on TV touting Palin like a good dutiful Republican and MSNBC is going along. To be "fair' of course. Just like "to be far" they elevated expectations of Hillary's chances and made it seem as if we were in some 50/50 race the entire time.
So now we know what Noonan really thinks, what Murphy really thinks and what Todd really thinks of this dog and pony show. and true to form, they're going to play this rehearsed farce til the bitter end in hopes of making this as exciting as they possibly can to viewers, instead of actually proving the facts and the truth of what they really all think. And IMO, I think they also try to sway the election with their false commentary to be closer than it needs to be for this very reason. A close race is more entertaining and thus more ratings generating than a blowout.
I'm really interested to hear exactly what these 3 nitwits were saying ON AIR about Palin and if it directly contradicts what they say to themselves candidly when they think no one is listening.
Then we need to make a big stink about this to MSNBC. I DO NOT watch them for entertainment value and scripted narratives. I watch them to hear facts and honest opinions. That shouldn't be too much to ask for from cable news, should it?