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Your description is sooo dead on.... That's exactly what they're like.
They specialize in one thing, stoking Anger.
My father works as a greeter for Wallmart. He also suffers from dementia - however he is functional (not Alzheimer's). When he's home working out in his shop, he listens to conservative radio. When he comes home from work he watches Fox news. When he takes his break at work he likes to go out to his car and listen to conservative radio.
My mother told me, this man, my father, who once had a brilliant and creative and very reasonable mind, who has been gentle and kind all of his life is starting to turn into a mean person. He's angry much of the time. Because he's got dimensia, he doesn't even know why he's angry.
A man who has lived a life time of good, is going to go out mean, angry, hateful of what he can't even remember or identify.
This is part of the price that the Right is willing to pay to keep their movement alive.
The right needs numbers. They'll take them from anywhere: southern racist, old people who are losing their faculties, and younger idiots that never had them.
Behind the right is corporate money and organization. They know what they are doing to the country, they just don't care. They lust for money. They are like the guy that kid napped the girl and kept her hidden for a decade and a half. Right or wrong or whatever, it served his lust.
The right then, is a profound immorality in our country in our time. Let us then so bare our selves in this struggle, that if the Republic stands another 1000 years, (secessionist not withstanding), future generations will look back and realize that this was the hour where America found its goodness in its character.
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My dad has always been pretty much a bigot but one that usually voted Democrat.
Four or five ears ago he got mezmorized by the Megyn Kelly's and Jill (I think) Skinners on fox. Not to mention the many very attractive female "guests" that they always have on. Now, he's a full blow wingnut that burned his American Flag on November 4th. Yes, I explained to him that people like President Obama are the ones who allow him to do that with the flag and that if the wingnuts he's now supporting had their way, he'd be thrown in prison for doing that. He doesn't care.
So what started as eye candy news for my dad has evolved him into a full blown Hannity lover. I can barely stand being around him.
You could be talking about my Mom. The same thing happened with her. Fox News turned my funny Mom into a hate spewing anger machine - or at least that's where she focused most of her t.v. watching time. She actually kept wishing that someone would shoot Bill Clinton.
fox news and glen beck need to be stopped. glen beck is the messiah of these lost souls and fox news is his mouthpiece. The vitriol they spew is on 24/7 with no filter.
How many other mothers and fathers are they turning into angry, hateful people?
Seems like these people should be focusing on joy and peace at the end of their lives. Instead they are being enlisted, or drafted into the rights army of hate.
This is quite despicable.
This looks like low hanging fruit for a doctoral dissertation for some scholar working on PhD in Poli Sci.
I once worked at Enterprise Rent-A-Car as a systems designer. They decided to resuscitate their moribund car leasing division. The brought in some of their best sales talent to help me design a system to support their sales effort. One of them told me, "in the final analysis, ever 'buy' decision comes down to an emotion." Before that emotional switch is flicked, you give away the store, after you give the customer nothing more, and try to chisel some things back.
Anger and hatred are the low hanging emotional fruit that Conservative Media use to enlist lackeys. Just like the con-man calling your parents and wanting to sell them land down in Florida, or some other scheme, with age goes people's critical reasoning skills, the ability to filter out nonsense and make good judgment.
They are the low hanging fruit. The suckers Fox is realing. They'd like to real in others - but most 'others' have reasoning skills that tell them Fox is nonesense.
I imagine, if the Republicans had their way, and did away with Medicare and Social Security and totally impoverished the elderly, they wouldn't have any advertisers because their core audience would have no spending power.
That's another thing for another day... the fact that my parents rely on Social Security and Medicare and still vote Republican.
Former Dems...sliding into a RightWing created frenzy as they grow older.
Good Lord...We need that Fairness Doctrine back.
That's the only answer to this extreme mind control!
I think the fairness doctrine would be prudent. But the problem is, it's not in fitting with the constitution, especially in regards to cable.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Report:_new_Fairness_...
Apparently, the fairness doctrine was constitutionally based upon the fact that air waves are finite publicly owned thing, and the public has a right to hear multiple points of view, therefore the fairness doctrine was a valid restriction on 1st Amend free speech rights. The contra arguement is that, thanks to cable (which is not publicly owned), the finite element is no longer true, thus fairness doctrine would not be applicable.
Because the fairness doctrine regulates free speech, a core and fundamental right, it is subject to strict scrutiny by the Supreme Court. For a law that regulates a fundamental right to be valid it must: (1) be justified by a compelling governmental interest; (2) must be narrowly tailored to achieve that goal or interest and (3) the law or policy must be the least restrictive means for achieving that interest.
In cases of strict scrutiny (and for that matter, intermediate scrutiny) the law is almost always knocked down.
This is why, I think, many feel it wouldn't survive a Supreme Court ruling. In light of the current court, I don't think such allow would survive.
However, I think it can be argued that there is a very compelling interest here: responsible public debate, giving birth to sound responsible policy. The state won't survive irresponsible policy for long. There's your compelling interest.
Also the current tenor has made speech making a threat to the peace and irresponsible broadcasters are a public and private menace, as state above in this thread on this blog.
Boy. That's a conclusion.
That "overspending" seems to have brought the economy back from the brink.
It certainly provided my son in law assistance paying the amazingly high 100% cost of his COBRA health insurance after he was laid off.
As to overspending, you didn't see a "conservative" march on Washington to protest "overspending" when Bush was President. When Clinton was President and the deficit was actually declining, the "fiscal conservatives" took down the "National Debt Clock" because they couldn't stand to see it run backwards under a, gasp, Democrat.
Of course the repugs have selected memory on those types of issues.
I offer this as rebuttal:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=165
http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin...
"we came unarmed THIS TIME".
that scares the crap out of me.
The teabagger's leaders (Limbaugh and Beck) would hide under the bed like three year old girls.
Like I've said, all it takes is one.
I would think their loyal followers would have no problem swallowing a pair of balls a year.
Walmart on a bus.
It must be very difficult being you. Living with that kind of anger and denial really isn't healthy.
A black man is the democratically elected President of the United States of America and no amount of yelling, screaming or posturing is going to change that for, at least, three more years.
My family, too, has been affected. My sister wants to cut public spending, despite the fact she works for the city and it would mean her job. She hates unions, despite the fact the union saved her job. She hates the idea of "government-run health care," despite the fact my brother in law is on Medicare. She is opposed to "the gays," despite the fact that two of her best friends are lesbians.
In short, she has become detached from reality. In her house, Fox goes on when they get up and goes off when they go to bed - with only an interruption for Rush.
The country has gone nuts -- and the Democrats aren't a whole lot saner than the Republicans.
There was a guy with a "Say No to Govt Health Care" who was returning to his car near my home. He was probably 60+ and it begged the question of "why not start with Medicare?". He jumped into a gas hog with tags from a state that gets more from federal taxes than it pasy in.
I'm just tired and bored with these 27%ers.
Although I respect their 1st amendment right to whine-
"I'm Scared!". Frightened children fear change...
It is a freakin' foot-stomping, kicking and screaming, out-of-control temper tantrum.
The Douchebaggers are becoming like SNL characters.
I live in houston, and I haven't seen this many caucasians in one spot in a long long time. The tea party component certainly doesn't reflect my world. If it did, I think I'd slit my wrists. What a miserable existence they must lead. If I could stop laughing at them, I think I'd probably pity their stupidity.
I wondered that when they brought their guns out to intimidate people. Do they think that by doing this, they have saved America, because NOW Obama will see how determined they are? He was going to take all their guns away, but he was scared, so now the gun nuts will be safe?
I really think they "think" this way.
Reflecting back on the 2008 Election, I'm pretty sure these are the same people whose behavior at McCain / Palin rallies began to attract negative attention to the GOP.
Thing is: Fox can actually do a better job of organizing them now than during an actual election. Fox doesn't have to do anything but activate anger, and some of the wingnuts on parade didn't like John McCain because he was "too liberal," so they didn't turn out for him or his rallies.
It puzzles and amazes me that people on Medicare can look straight in the camera and rant about the dangers "socialized" health care.
Received an email today from an older cousin whose prostate cancer was treated on medicare. Forwarding a nutcase lawyer's "treatise" on how it is Unconstitutional for the government to reform health care.
Jeeze!
people like me are really ignored. Views like "we should pull out of Afghanistan" arent welcome on ANY news channel.
Yes, crazy people are best left ignored. You shouldn't listen to crazy people because, um, THEY'RE FUCKING CRAZY AND HAVE NOTHING SANE TO SAY.
I thought that might have been patently obvious to everybody.
... except maybe the crazy.
The dems hear them, they just don't agree with them.
They aren't being ignored. It's just that the politicians who agree with them LOST the election. So, why would they expect their agenda to be implemented? They LOST. Elections have consequences
It seems that both the teabaggers and the repugs in congress feel that the dems should be willing to propose and implement CONSERVATIVE policies just to make them happy.
My god, people - - is this blog reflective of many liberals' thinking? Do you not see that conservatives are only now learning to use the tactics the left has used for generations? Do you not see that they will only refine their methods heading into the mid-terms? The political power shoe is indeed on the left foot now, and it is stunning to see that straight-laced conservatives have become willing to get on buses and show up for demonstrations - - and potentially be seen by their neighbors and employers on TV. This is something old white guys like me just never did. I know many meek people who are centrists and say they want to get involved. In my lifetime, this has never been the case with conservatives, not even close. This should scare you. It really, really should.
One other thing. Folks, it was not the organizers of this event who said anything about expectations of millions of attendees. What they said today was that "over projecting" is an old, old tactic wherein those opposing a demonstration leak information that a huge crowd is expected. Anything less is then seen by the media as a failure. Several such leaks already have been traced to staff members of Dem representatives. Look for Fox to publicize this.
Conservatives are getting better at the opposition game. You feed their flames by suggesting they're too dumb to play and win. Especially when you have both houses of congress and the whitehouse in your back pocket and are still looking, angrily, for Republicans to blame for your ineffectiveness.
Remember the worldwide anti Iraq war protests that actually drew millions?
I was called a traitor for not supporting the war in Iraq. I was called a traitor when I called out Bush for spying on all Americans in violation of the 4th Amendment. I was called a traitor when I called out Bush for the imprisonment of Americans without trial. I was called a traitor when I called out Bush for running up a $5 trillion debt. And so on. So how is trying to provide healthcare to all Americans worse than what President Bush did?
Seriously. Your political spectrum meter is fucking busted.
At most he has tiny leftist tendencies overshadowed by the usual right wing corporatist nonsense.
In any other country on the planet, Obama would fit in nicely with their conservative movement.
On the planet earth, we live in things called "societies", and within these constructs foundations and infrastructure have to be laid, maintained and defended.
Libertarianism is incapable of encompassing these necessary structures, and thus would relegate all of us to living in some third world backwater devoid of proper roads, imports, defense, or any kind of building code or product standard provided there was ANY manufacturing happening beyond a local level.
In essence, rural anarchy preyed upon by lawless businesses not held accountable for anything they would visit upon the population.
The fact that anybody used 'Libertarianism' in a serious discussion means they forfeit any and all position they might have held.
Ridiculous.
So is Catholicism, examined logically. Yet, look at the Vatican.
Neither would Libertarianism, like communism. Nice theories with too many holes that refuse to include the human equation in their calculations and are thus unworkable in reality.
Ugh, this so freaking basic and elementary! A child knows this!
I can't believe i'm debating a supposed adult on the obvious deficiencies of failed and theoretical government models.
I'm going to guess . . . . you're in your sophomore year?
up until now, he has not pushed any of his big agenda items other than HCR. even there, he has walked back the "radical" ideas that got him elected -- apparently in order to assuage you scared-shitless paranoid conservatives. radical indeed.
instead of sounding ridiculous, tell us why you oppose a non-profit government insurance option.
I have explained elsewhere in this thread my reasons for preferring something other than a large, centralized government solution to delivering anything at all, whether it be products or services. I am conservative. I am anti-government. Government should be expanded when there is no other solution. I am not even close to believing government can manage health care better than it does the Veteran's Administration, Social Security, Medicare, the postal service, or Amtrack, to name a few. Government is braid dead, corrupt, and inefficient. And unlike private business, it can go on operating at gross losses year after year, soaking the taxpayers, where a private enterprise would be forced to become competitive or soon die. Government bureaucracies never die - - they just become bigger screw-ups.
Your personal attacks are truly underwhelming, by the way. Grow up.
From the financial world and its collapse to the manufacturing sector and its pollution and outsourcing, to the HMO's and insurance companies jacking premiums and dumping policy holders at the slightest whim, BUSINESS HAS SURE BEEN AWESOME IN REGULATING ITSELF WITHOUT SOMEONE STARING OVER THEIR FREAKING SHOULDERS 24/7.
Christ on a crutch, you actually believe that "private enterprise can do better" claptrap?
Total delusion, as I've just illustrated above.
"Claptrap"? Grow up.
And while you're growing up, do you also expect the government to provide you with a job? A TV? A cellphone? Why not? Shouldn't the government look at every business you patronize, and all your transactions with those businesses? Is there anything should do for yourself?
The government let regulation LAPSE and, thanks to many conservative governments, that laissez-faire attitude created the insanity that resulted.
Yes, claptrap. It IS claptrap. It has been historically proven to be claptrap. I suppose you think trickle down economics works too, despite however many decades proving you dead wrong.
As for your last paragraph, who the fuck even suggested that? The transactions are not in question, the business standards that created those products ARE.
Do you even realize how many regulatory bodies review, test, and ensure the products that you use, from house building to shaving, meet SOME kind of standard so they don't freaking kill you?
Probably not. In Libertarian-land, somehow that isn't a concern! Things just magically adhere to a mysterious set of standards!
You take so much for granted in your little world, it's really quite amazing you function at all.
Don't insult me with transparent efforts to dismiss it. It insults us both.
irrational dread and fear is not an idea. ideological blinders transform a potentially useful problem-solving exercise into pointless pugilism. all i hear from the right on this issue is paranoia, racism, xenophobia... would it be too much to ask for some rational thought?
LOL fail.
Hold the next Douchebag rally in Owosso, Michigan.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-si...
Have you heard what Dr Manning says about him?
http://la-gun.com/manning/
Do you have no shame regarding the crap that white America has been putting up with for the last 50 years?
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
These people love the country this country used to be.
They are determined and very well armed.
Do you think the US Army will fire on them if this low life gives the order?
I love this little blurb off your crackpot website:
" There’s going to be a
revolution, Patrick
Henry style, in America
where red-blooded,
God-fearing, Jesus-
loving Americans are
going to stand up and
say, “We’re not going to
take it no more.”
Yeah, because cracker-ass crackers who love jebus have, historically, been SO FUCKING OPPRESSED BY THE WORLD
I think it's hilarious that you have no concept of how ridiculous you are.
You are paranoid. That means you have fears that aren't based upon any facts in reality.
That means that you are deranged. Perhaps you let yourself become so.
That means you are insane. You are not mentally healthy.
Turn off the T.V. and the Radio for a month. Spend some time with nature. And get some help.
Right now you are a menace to society.
You don't love this country. If you did you would realize that this a democratically elected President and even though you don't like him, being black and all that, you would, at least, try to make the country better and not try to tear it apart because of your anger and hatred.
You need to calm down and think of your health. Stress is a killer and you seem very stressed out.
Your kind of hate will eat you alive.
Rage and victimhood are powerful drugs-like cocaine, heroin, pot and alcohol they let you elude responsibility for your failings in a cloud of mushyheadedness. People like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage-Wiener, are addicts of other substances themselves who enrich themselves at your expense just like a drug dealer.
Only you can free yourself from your ignorance, pain, fear, and failure. Only you can accept yourself. Please get the help you need before the rage and victimhood take over your whole life.
Dr. Manning is a moron, and white men have been in power in this country for far too long. Of course, "these people love the country this country used to be." They probably long to go back to the days of slavery and women not having the vote, to say nothing of our reproductive rights.
I've got an idea. Take your white robe and your blunderbuss and find a cave somewhere. You need help, but I can guarantee you won't look for it. So, let's get you someplace where you can't hurt other people.
Carnie Convention came to town today!
I predict your piece will go viral!
Overheard a great expression we should repeat:
Democrats are showing Leadership...
While Republicans show Loser-ship!
Hey, Jed should make a vid of the dramatic difference.
Keep posting, be direct, fact based, and use hostile sites
Volunteer-sign up petitions for Health Care, off to hold forums in your home, reach out to these Medicare folks
Use your personal health story and forward it to your representative
Make a file on the nagative talking points and rebut them with facts and figures---send it to the nearest Republican headquarters
this may not be much, but for now its a start. There is going to be a point where this is gonna go one of two ways. These folks are either gonna stew in their own juice like we did for this POTUS term, or they are going to explode. Pray and be vigilant!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13dow...
I saw no one that fit Peggy Noonan's demographic in her column this week (i.e. today's college students for whom 9/11 was the major turning point in their lives - I've seen no personal evidence that they exist as described) There was a hip-hop performance on the lineup. I saw one impeach Obama sign. One Obama with Hitler style mustache. Several signs proclaiming that elections would be the way to tilt things in their favor.
I'm glad you enjoyed your Happy Pill, because while I'm sure the folks on the mall were pretty much getting along with each other, they were there to express ANGER. And you must have been in an alternative universe.
FreedomWorks.
from:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/...
With regard to your questions on the stimulus package and jobs, I'll refer you to any basic economics text. Job recovery is always the last thing to occur in recovering from a recession or depression. And no one said that all of the stimulus money was going to be infused into the economy immediately upon passage of the bill. To do so would not make sound economic sense.
If you continue to believe this based on what you see reported in the media, you will be at great political disadvantage and your cause will suffer.
I do feel that (and possibly we may be in some agreement here) if we need to take additional time (and more thousands of hours, if need be) to make sure that the final proposal which goes up for votes in the House and the Senate is a proposal that does all the things that progressives and other true health care reformers would like to see, then we need to take that time. If, however, it is just a tactic to stall, to shove true health care reform into a closet for another 10 or 20 or 30 years, then it becomes a completely different issue. Big Pharma and the multi-million dollar insurance industry will have won the day. And I'm not sure that I trust our corporate-sponsored legislature to come back to the bargaining table at some future date and do what needs to be done.
Racialist: "An emphasis on race or racial considerations". You emphasize racial considerations in others which you have not proved exist and are therefore racialist. Rational people in a post racial age see right through you.
IOKIYAR.
What an idiotic comment, typical, but abnormally idiotic.
As for your crowd figures, I have seen links thay said that both CNN & ABC said 2 million. ABC later tried to retract the figure.
Don't you think it a bit odd that so many mainstream news orgs used the phrase " tens of thousands " as if they were in lockstep and dared not report the true figures ?
The London Daily Mail reported the figure as UP TO 2 million. They are not under pressure that US news orgs are given that they want continued access to Obama.
The organizers of the event estimate the crowd at about 30,000. ABC NEVER said the crowd was 2 million. They did say that the DC fire department had reported 60-70,000. CNN NEVER said the crowd was 2 million - no how, no way. I would suggest finding more reliable links in the future.
While I'm sure there's an exception to prove the rule, I don't see Hispanics in the TeaBagger crowd pictures and videos I saw.
In the nutcase world, yelling MSM is a way to simply disregard the organizations which actually still employ journalists to try to go out, do research, and report facts.
Estimating crowd size is difficult, for sure. I've looked closely at the pictures and see no similarity in crowd size to the huge turnout at the Obama inauguration.
Does size matter? I guess it does because there's so much dispute about size here!
I guess if 2 million had shown for a protest on the mall it would mean something more than the MSM upside estimate of 60,000
But the London Daily Mail? Get real, Lord George Due of Gesenda.
The MSM would lie "in lockstep" about the protester crowd size to continue getting access to Obama?
Lord, you need to take your meds, your paranoid schizophrenia is showing.
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Honestly, this group of people are clearly hateful and out of their minds, but your take on it is very disappointing and shallow.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/...