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AMERICAblog: National Security Adviser: Obama won't lift gay ban until Iraq and Afghan wars finished - and even then, if there are more wars...

  • fredndallas · 2 months ago
    No surprise. This incessant homophobic Obama burlesque is the most contemptuous behavior I've witnessed from a politician toward his "supporters" in my lifetime. To think that our community "leaders" take to this like cat nip emphasizes how co-opted, self-centered, worthless and dangerous they are.

    Obama's repeated sham performances of support for gay equality -- consistently followed by putting another shiv in our back -- reveal more than arrogant insolence. This man has deep personal emotional issues with gay people and an obscene depraved need to make buffoons of us publicly, while he is no doubt *wink wink* laughing up his tailored sleeves. He is succeeding with most of the notable "leaders" in the community as they grovel in attempts to develop yet another explanation for his perpetual insults.

    Republicans are no answer. A third party is folly. An honorable progressive who is not bought and paid for is the only answer. Is that possible in our system? And if it is, could s/he survive?

    Pretty dark.
  • the crustybastard · 2 months ago
    A third-party vote makes the unambiguous statement: I vote, but I won't vote for YOU.
  • sgardne · 2 months ago
    I've been a firmly Democratic voter for the last... 13 years... FSM, has it been that long already... anyway, I plan on voting Green Party where I can in '10. That said, I'll probably support Kucinich in '12 if he decides to run again.
  • nancy50 · 2 months ago
    I would fully support Howard Dean in a primary.
  • PresPlatitudes · 2 months ago
    obama is so transparent, ever the unctuous opportunist.

    this is his playbook: avoid any semblance of risk, use every excuse to preserve the illusion that his hands are tied, force everyone else to take the chances and do the actual work, then swoop in and take the credit, claiming that what his inaction "REALLY" accomplished was inspire/empower people. in the meanwhile, you can be sure that he'll ALSO be happy to take credit for being the bastion against unreasonable/radical elements of the left of the left.

    obama is eddie haskell for the new century: we all know the type, and we recognize these tendencies in obama. his apologists will try to stem the tide by claiming that he is merely being savvy or playing stealth chess, but in the end, people recognize cowardice when they see it.

    if you don't believe me, you're certainly entitled to that thought, but go ahead try imagining ONE principle that he WOULDN'T negotiate away.
  • mwfolsom · 2 months ago
    Just excellent - sadly its all too true.

    People are starting to realize that Obama is a coward and once that gets to be the common wisdom its all over for him. The Republicans already have his number its just a matter of time till his former supporters see the reality of him and his Presidency.
  • sonofloud · 2 months ago
    IT TAKES MORE THAN BROWN SKIN TO BE A DEMOCRAT (well, at least it used to)

    It takes a belief in labor rights, on training, so workers can adapt to changing economic conditions (at least it used to) Not giving $700 billion in corporate welfare to the very corporations that created the problems like Obama did.
    It takes a belief in civil rights for everyone, including gays/lesbians (at least it used to) Not blocking every attempt at changing DOMA and DADT like Obama does.
    It takes a belief in civil liberities (at least it used to) Not increasing the faith based initiative which gives our tax revenue to churches or supporting FISA or appointing an anti abortion and anti birth control activist (Alexia Kelley) to the department of HHS like Obama did.
    It takes a belief in human rights (at least it used to) Not spreading the "war on terror" even further into Afghanistan and Pakistan or defending the continued kidnapping/torture/indefinite imprisonment without trial of any person on the planet in camps such as Quantanamo and Bagram, like Obama does.
    It takes a belief in universal health care (at least it used to) Not blocking the public option like Obama does.
    It takes a belief in education for everyone (at least it used to) Not promoting the same failed policy of charter schools that "No Child Left Behind" gave us and Obama's "Race to the Top" program does.

    It takes more than pretty words and empty promises to be a democrat (well, at least it used to).
  • Keori · 2 months ago
    Shock, shock and surprise. I think I may have a heart attack and die from this surprise.

    So would anything actually happen if the entire LGBT community and our Beltway asskisser orgs just sat out 2010 and 2012? No endorsements, no money, no campaign volunteers, nothing. Just silence and turned backs. Would anyone notice or care?

    Hey, if Dems want my vote, there had better be a reason to go walk to my polling station in the rain on a workday. After all, at least at work I get paid to be shat on by The Man. And there's coffee!
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 2 months ago
    Mmmm...real nice...real smart, too. How did that banning gays help when we fired all those Arabic translators? How'd that work out for us? Real nice. Thank god them faggots can't be in the army.

    When is Jesus gonna stop running the nation?
  • Gridlock · 2 months ago
    I love the comments on HuffPo about this..

    "He has too much on his plate"

    "sit down, be quiet, and wait"

    "now isn't the time"
  • nancy50 · 2 months ago
    Huffpo is predictable - the people who support Obama on Huffpo may call themselves progressives, but actually they are just Obama groupies - they allow absolutely no criticism of Obama and have very little knowledge of actual policy. The Dailykos, however, I held to a different standard. I thought they were true progressives, who supported liberal beliefs. The responses though on DADT are pretty similar to Huffpo - not now, wait it will happen, he needs the political capital for health care... What a load of BS.

    What pisses me off also, is that these are the same people who made me feel less than liberal, because I supported Hillary in the primary. It's just like back in middle school when I didn't join The Monkees fan club and wasn't in the cool club. The Monkees didn't last long and neither will Obama.
  • Zorba · 2 months ago
    Nancy50- I don't think Markos himself ever presented himself as a "true progressive" although some of his front-pagers may have. Kos was always about getting Democrats elected. Period. I pretty much stopped reading Dailykos on any kind of regular basis quite awhile ago, and I was never enamored of Huffpost.
  • nancy50 · 2 months ago
    Well if Markos was only about getting a Democrat elected, he failed royally with Obama.
  • Zorba · 2 months ago
    Yes, Barack's not much of a Democrat, is he? At least, that's not how I see the Democratic Party. I'm always telling people "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me."
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 2 months ago
    i don't think you'll find a more progressive blogger on gay rights than markos. he makes it a high priority at DKos and doesn't miss much that's going on.
  • Zorba · 2 months ago
    Yes, it's true, but he doesn't support only progressive Democrats. A quote from the FAQ on his website:

    "This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. One that recognizes that Democrats run from left to right on the ideological spectrum, and yet we're all still in this fight together. We happily embrace centrists like NDN's Simon Rosenberg and Howard Dean, conservatives like Martin Frost and Brad Carson, and liberals like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Liberal? Yeah, we're around here and we're proud. But it's not a liberal blog. It's a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory. And since we haven't gotten any of that from the current crew, we're one more thing: a reform blog. The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It's one between establishment and anti-establishment factions. And as I've said a million times, the status quo is untenable."
  • BeccaM · 2 months ago
    I still wouldn't for FOR a GOP candidate for any reason, not even for dog catcher... but Obama and the Dems keep giving me more and more reasons not to bother voting for them either.

    We're sure as hell done giving them money until they straighten up and start representing us.
  • Gregory Lyons · 2 months ago
    The Obama Presidency is such a bad joke. A racist joke to boot.

    Perhaps the silver lining of this dark cloud is the broadening awareness that the Democrats are Republicans in drag. They must work a bit harder because they have so many more lies to sell than the real Republicans.
  • the crustybastard · 2 months ago
    The difference is this:

    Republicans tell you: "I will screw you over," and do.

    Democrats tell you: "I would never screw you over," but do.

    At least Republicans are honest.
  • Anon · 2 months ago
    I am so glad I voted for the black Lesbian. Honestly...
  • sonofloud · 2 months ago
    lol
  • gloughlin42 · 2 months ago
    Oh my! What a waste of votes! As far as I'm concerned, Obama really is just your basic Christian Fundamentalist who believes wholeheartedly in American exceptionalism and of course that not only translates into "endless war" but maintaining the status quo and anything else you can name that is damaging to the American people.

    Soon the American people will wake up and finally come to the conclusion they have been lied to! That, combined with the final collaspe of this corrupt, broken economy his fate will be sealed. I'm sure Axelrod and the rest of his surrogates feel they can pull the wool over progressives eyes once again with a little "hocus pocus"...but it isn't going to work this time. Obama and his entrouge are NO GOOD assh*les that will most certainly go down in flames!
  • SouthernYankee · 2 months ago
    Am beginning to think that Obama is all show. He can't seem to even get the democrats together. But OK, the democrats don't start supporting Obama in getting DOMA and public option passed the democrat party and the president will forget 4 votes in my family.
  • vkobaya · 2 months ago
    I get the feeling that Obama smuggly thinks that we'll be forced to vote for him again in 2012 when the Republicans put up Sarah Palin against him. But they can do even worse, run Newt Gingrich standing in front of a red flag with a black swastika. Hell, against either this damn bastard is the better of two evils and will get my vote, even if he is laughing and giving us lefties the finger.

    What the hell is the matter with this guy? It's pure bullshit that he can't do anything about DOMA and DADT as he is too busy and the war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan needs his full attention. General Jones is insinuating that allowing gays in the military would weaken our military in the middle of these wars which, we know, is not true and documented in their own reports. Hell, the wars aren't even legitimate and we have no business butchering, massacring and killing civilians in those countries. Even if repealling DADT can't be done because of the bigoted assos leading our military, that doesn't mean that Obama can't repeal DOMA as that has nothing to do with our murderous war crimes in the Middle East. Republicans would have us believe those of us who are ashamed of this country are traitors, but Goddamn it, we have a lot to be ashamed of, the murder of millions of Arabs and Muslims for bigotry and their oil, the failure to extend civil rights to gays and being the richest nation in the world yet failing misserably to provide humane, decent, civilized health care to all our citizens writing them off hatefully as we write off the Arabs and Muslims.

    Most vile of all, our president, laughs and gives us the finger again and again. It was understandable when the president was George Bush, but Obama not only ran as a Democrat, but his skin color is Black and having suffered oppression himself, we expect him to understand the plight of oppressed people. Instead, he has sided with the oppressors believing himself now too high and mighty to care about us. Then again, the Republicans may surprise us and run a true human being in 2012. Ha ha! Yeah, I believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Bugs Bunny too. But should one of them run on the Republican ticket, Obama will be a one term president defeated in a massive, massive landslide.
  • JohnnyG · 2 months ago
    Why not focus on primarying him first, before already getting set to crawl back to him in 2012? Obama is for all intents and purposes a Republican, so what difference would it make if the actual Republican candidate won anyway? Obama has done virtually nothing to stop America's collapse. We're headed the same direction we would with an actual Republican and he's bringing us to our doom at a good rate of speed too. The minuscule amount of difference between DINO Obama and an actual Republican isn't worth giving up the leverage to push the Democratic party to the left, which can only come from a serious threat to vote 3rd party.
  • SouthernYankee · 2 months ago
    You know we are in a no win situation and I think he knows it and is playing us. You are right the thought of Gringrich and quitter Palin is worse. But I tell you my husband and I both sit here and say if we don't see this change I am not voting for a democract that isn't supporting our issues but than again what is the alternative? The thought of a republican
  • Asterix · 2 months ago
    Maybe he'll be a one-termer (a lot of people have predicted this), but you'll still wind up voting from a list of state-approved candidates (revolutionaries need not apply). We have the best one-party system on the face of the Earth.
  • Anon · 2 months ago
    Maybe he's afraid the far right will attack him more. But then, for what, "opening our military to gays"? Dems could respond "far right is now saying [ fill in blanks, lot of harsh things could be put in here.]

    Maybe he's not sure it undermines some sort of bond or trust. Studies seem to show otherwise (plus, keeping gays out only perpetuates that), but then why promise it all.

    Must be a feeling of too much on the plate, and somehow it will "divert" when it only diverts if those being diverted let their opponents control the debate, or play into media hype
  • offspring · 2 months ago
    obama is going to believe that we wont vote against him because of fear of the "other" guy. I hated bush period, and think he and his people belong in hell, that said bush was horrid but if he and the repugs wanted to do something even against the popular vote guess what it was done period. I want a leader that even if it isnt on gay issue's is a leader. One that knows how to take a stand and force it through and get stuff done and lead not just for me as a gay man, but for america period even the crazy beck's, we need serious strong leadership and one that knows how to tell us of their long term plan for us, one that explains what they are doing so that we understand, so far I dont see that at all.
  • Naja pallida · 2 months ago
    Status quo we can believe in!
  • synical · 2 months ago
    President Excuse of the Day. Contemptible.
  • RonNYC · 2 months ago
    My disgust for Obama increases daily. The Democrats and the GOP can go fuck themselves.
  • ArizonaWill · 2 months ago
    Is the so-called gay vote even large enough for Obama to worry about? There a poll that showed that a significant percentage of gay people voted Republican. Yes, I find that incomprehensible, but the usual reason given is that "I put economic issues ahead of my sexuality". I do wonder how the Log Cabin boys are doing, with their precious Republican party imploding into right wing madness at an unparalleled level right now, including great gay hatred (with recent insane explanations for what causes homosexuality to be "inflicted" on someone). Yes, their bank accounts are more important.

    Anyway, in WW2 the military looked the other way at gays in the military, since the body count needed to keep the war going was huge. There are some poignant pictures of gay men in uniform during WW2, holding each other tenderly and smiling into the camera. Of course, once the war ended and the manpower needs were reduced, they were all dishonorably discharged. This led to San Francisco becoming a gay mecca, because many of them were dumped by the military literally in San Francisco after discharge. Many stayed since it would have been total disgrace (or even death) to return to the midwest or Deep South.
  • silverkjk · 2 months ago
    Analyses of voting patterns done after the last election indicated that the only group that voted more heavily for Obama than the GLBT community was African-Americans.
  • SCLiberal · 2 months ago
    wow, and our president is African-American. You don't suppose...?
  • SCLiberal · 2 months ago
    I don't know about the gay vote being large enough but combine that with us straights who stand with you. There are a lot of us out here and together I believe we do matter.

    I still think any change will have to come from the grassroots. Waiting for corporate tools to work for us is folly. I would love for an already established group such as MoveOn to create a Draft (whoever) to run against Obama. There are more than enough disaffected Democrats and Independents to stand together: GLBT, friends of, union members, health care professionals, teachers, etc.

    Regardless of who is on a ballot I think it is possible to write in a candidate. What a message that would send. We may have reached the point where such a message is more important than the actual outcome.
  • h2ohboy · 2 months ago
    I've been a long time reader of Americablog, but I have to ask John: DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU ARE LINKING TO??? you have worked up all the people on this thread into a frenzy to the point where they are saying that they are disgusted by obama and the ONLY quote in the story even remotely applicable to what you have said is this from Harry Reid:

    ["At a time when we are fighting two wars, I do not believe we can afford to discharge any qualified individual who is willing to serve our country," Reid wrote]

    simply, JONES SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT

    some of your criticism of Obama is warranted, but with all due respect, in this posting I have to say that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. go back and read the article that you linked to

    the only quote in the whole story from Jones is this:
    ["I don't think it's going to be — it's not years, but I think it will be teed up appropriately," James Jones said.]

    I have to say that you're all high drama on this one, John. Stick to the facts. They serve us better than this alarmist ghost-swiping.