Keep it up! They the hate-mongers have been relentless. Let us not stop. No More Mr. & Mrs. Nice GAY!
Get the picture now trolls?
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
What the hell does a Mormon know about "art?" Hmmm.
Mormon "art" is all about Donnie & Marie, I thought. Or maybe it's just "don't ask, don't tell" among Mormons?
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
Very interesting. Seems that one Lee Beaman, who owns several car dealerships here in Nashville, contributed $2,000. Wonder how many of his customers are gay?
cwzilla
· 1 year ago
I went to the web site to see who gave what and to my suprise there were only 2 ppl that supported this ignorant law and anthony "tony"perkins waz at the top of the list there were close to 200 against this ignorant law so I am happy the ppl in my state didnt want to support bigotry will wonderes never cease
smallhandff
· 1 year ago
The Metro DC / Baltimore area has been conspicuous in its silence. There's a monsterous Temple just outside the DC line in Maryland. Why no protests? Where's the outrage?
Clancy
· 1 year ago
I checked out the list of donors from Maryland only to discover that Sid Foulger of Potomac gave $50,000 to support Prop. 8. Foulger is the founder and head of the Foulger-Pratt construction company, one of the largest construction firms in the DC area. Foulger-Pratt built the Mormon Temple for the national capital area in Kensington, and was responsible for much of the (publicly funded) revitalization of Silver Spring.
dacnova
· 1 year ago
I Googled the guy and there was a link to his Facebook page, which is apparently gone already.
annatopia
· 1 year ago
ok so i'm late to the party and totally off topic, but here's another good sign that justice is returning to america. president obama will close gitmo and ship the detainees to the US for REAL TRIALS:
Harassing individuals is the worst possible PR for your cause. Stay with the Mormon Church itself. Destroying the lives of individual donors is going to backfire.
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
I don't see how this would be harrassment. The people that donated are obviously incredibly proud that their donations were used to write discrimination into CA Constitution. They should be exposed for their generosity. Let their neighbors and co-workers know how civic minded the haters are. Teach them a lesson, expose the cockroaches and the Mormon Cult for what they really are.
pluky
· 1 year ago
If you enlist in the Culture War, expect to get shot at.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
Sorry. You can't run an enterprise full of gay men and not expect blowback. He has dissed the people who make the theatre happen. Too weird.
Cpeterka
· 1 year ago
Wow, I Am Impressed.
Suze Orman OPPOSED for $10 Grand !!
I am Impressed... and will go out and buy several of her books just to say, Thanks !!!
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
You did know she's gay, right?
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
In NC, out of almost 200 donors, only around 12 were "supporters" including a lawyer, a trader, an asset mgr, housewife, retired and someone who claimed to be a "scientist" at UNC-CH...
scytherius
· 1 year ago
Fantastic.
What these groups (Mormon's, etc) do is to lie and stab you in the back. It's time to put a face on it.
MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel
· 1 year ago
Gay people in the musical theater? Really?!? Well, I never!
Keep sharpening those heels, John!
no
· 1 year ago
great job john :)
PingPong
· 1 year ago
Well it's not a surprise that the guy gave to the hate side.
Here's his bio from the theater's website: Scott Eckern (Artistic Director) joined California Musical Theatre in the summer of 1984 as co-director of the prestigious Music Circus internship program sponsored by American River College, where he was an adjunct professor of theatre arts. In succeeding years, he assumed a variety of artistic and administrative positions at the theatre while continuing his teaching career during the academic year. In due course he became a tenured professor in the drama and dance department at Stockton's University of the Pacific. An actor, musician, director and playwright in his own right with a Bachelor of Arts in Dramatic Arts from University of California, Santa Barbara and a Master of Fine Arts degree in acting from Brigham Young University. Mr. Eckern left academia in 1993 for a full-time appointment as California Musical Theatre's general manager. In 2002, he was named the company's artistic director. In that position, he provides CMT's overall artistic vision and direction and is responsible for the day-to-day supervision of the organization. Mr. Eckern is president of the League of Sacramento Theatres and sits on the board of the National Alliance for Musical Theatre. He served as the producer of the Sacramento Temple Youth Cultural Celebration, More Precious Than Gold, at Arco Arena and is the recipient of BYU’s College of Fine Arts and Communications Honored Alumni award. He is also an adjunct professor of theatre at Sacramento State University and American River College.Mr. Eckern and his wife, Paula, have three children: Lauren, Erik and Bryan.
Just think how many gays and lesbians Mr. BYU has worked with over the years and still doesn't think we're equal humans. Wonder how many he avoids hiring in addition to denying us the right to marry?
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
Maybe he's pissed because the cute guy in the chorus line turned him down.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Sounds like that Mexican actor who went from Mexico City DF to Miami. Was in a few movies (Papi Chulo) and dated Ricki Martin. Actually he even lived with him! BUT poor Eduardo was dumped and he couldn't deal with that or being gay. So he became evangelical Catholic and decided to give up sex (yeah right, straight!). He ended up doing a PSA for the latino community asking them to vote YesOn8. He is now "persona non grata here in LA (he lives 2 miles from West Hollywood!). He hid behind religion. Those closet case self-loathing HATERS ... I detest them!
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
wow, what kind of delusional homo monger donates against his own interest?? But that pre-supposes that Scott is gay, that is an unknown. Oh well.... he's getting his karma back and it's not good.
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
What a great list! Might be fun for like minded individuals to ban together and rent billboards. Across the top it could say something like, "These (your State) Donated Money To Pass Hate Laws", then list their names and the amount the haters donated. All across each state, especially in the larger cities. BRING THEM DOWN!
Cpeterka
· 1 year ago
PREPARE TO BE SCARED... Search on Templeton
and see who supports the measure BIG Time !!
Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/29/08 Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/27/08 Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/7/08 John Templeton Jr Support $450,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 8/18/08 John Templeton Jr Support $450,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 8/18/08
John Templeton Jr Occupation PRESIDENT OF Employer JOHN TEMPLETON FOUNDATION City Bryn Mawr State PA
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
Holy crap! Think about how much GOOD could have been done for that 1.3 Million they spent on HATE. Unreal...what screwed up priorities some people with more money than sense have.
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
boggles the mind. all the money could have fed thousands of hungry children, provided immunizations in developing countries, provided clean water to villiages......sheesh! even in the US they could have funded a food bank or mobile health care van for the needy.
I guess love thy neighbor and the golden rule are just words to them.
barts
· 1 year ago
Ha! We were on the same trail and you beat me to the punch. I'd like to find out more about this organization.
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
From the John Templeton Foundation website:
" Is the Foundation involved in politics?
No. The federal tax code governing 501(c)3 nonprofits specifically prohibits such organizations from engaging in political activities. The Foundation is a non-partisan, non-political entity. We neither endorse, nor contribute to political candidates, campaigns, or movements of any kind. "
Wonder if anyone told the boss?
EllaDisenchanted
· 1 year ago
They get off on a technicality...
Gary Rosen, communications director for the Templeton Foundation, said yesterday that the Templetons' donation was private and not from the foundation,
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
Kinda like the director of the JDF or the ADL giving to the American Nazi Party though, isn't it?
EllaDisenchanted
· 1 year ago
It's exactly like it. But unfortunately completely legal. Have you seen this guys photo. It really screams "I'm hiding something" & "phobic" at me.
meemers
· 1 year ago
Hey there is a Charles Norris...Could that be Chuck! LOL
barts
· 1 year ago
OMG! I just checked to see who contributed to prop hate in my neck-o-the woods (SEPA) and found out that John and Josephine Templeton from Bryn Mawr gave $1.2 Million!
TomsOld
· 1 year ago
I wonder how they feel about people looking into their closet.?
RevDrBillyBob
· 1 year ago
In California, Proposition 8 provided as follows: "Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution, to read: ... SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." --- So here is the proposed constitutional amendment for 2010 in California that NO religious organization (for obvious, hypocritical reasons) will support: "Section 7.6 is added to Article I of the California Constitution, to read: SEC. 7.6. Adultery is a felony, punishable by 16 months, 2 years or three years in the state prison, or by a greater penalty if enacted by the Legislature or by the people by initiative, and is defined as any sexual contact by any married person and anyone besides the spouse of that married person. Divorce is hereby abolished and hereafter prohibited." ... YUP, let's "protect marriage". FAIR IS FAIR. ... John: What do you think ?
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
Why not go to Leviticus, since that is where the anti-gay marriage gets their order from: Chapter 20: 9: For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11: And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12: And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Some book, huh?
"Apocalypto" was one thing Mel Gibson did right.
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
From Leviticus 19: 19: Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
That is, no mixed blends. Here's a great and funny web site which talks about this:
I think we should let the fundies know that Monsanto is the enemy of the Lord. Let them go weed the fields.....
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
There's a company in Brooklyn which specializes in removing linen from woollen jackets for Hassidic people.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
I gotta admit I'm torn on such action. I'm all for gay marriage, and I understand that boycotts can be an effective tool. And I can understand individuals (ala Shaiman) choosing not to business with whomever he chooses.
But when groups target an entire business for the actions of one individual within the business, it starts to seem very wrong to me. Yes, I know, he was denying the rights of gays to marry, so in a tit-for-tat world his own pursuit of happiness, ala his wage-earning abilities, is up for grabs.
But where does it end? Will we reach a point where, as a movement, we will boycott and target people who contribute to political candidates who we disagree with? Will we start to use groups who will vet entire industries, entire corporations, to make sure they're in-line with our philosophies? If our cell phone service provider employs someone in tech support who doesn't believe in gay marriage, will we target that entire business? If a local mom-and-pop store - one of those small businesses that are the backbone of America - has a stock boy who grew up with a warped sense of right and wrong and donated a double sawbuck to the yes-on-8 folks, will we target the store, forcing Americans to either hire who WE deem are worth hiring or face our wrath?
Just seems like we're entering slippery-slope, very-fine-shades-of-gray territory on this one. The stuff Rod Serling analogous Twilight Zone scripts used to be made of, or maybe the star-bellied Sneetches of Dr. Seuss fame, only replace the star with a rainbow. Tread lightly, as there's bound to be lots of collateral damage and innocent bystanders who could wind up suffering.
Milli
· 1 year ago
In this particular case, the gay community is an integral part of this man's livelihood and he should know that. He shouldn't be making money off of those he chooses to oppress.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
Exactly. Of course we don't boycott someone for voting for the opposing candidate, but this is personal. How can he even stand to run a theatre when gay people are everywhere?
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there are some "good Christians" who are geuinely conflicted by wanting homosexuals to have the same rights, but their religious convictions makes them believe with all their heart that marriage is only supposed to be between a man and a woman. They're all for civil unions, same-sex benefits, etc, just not marriage. While I'd disagree with that mentality, it's hardly the same level of douchebaggery as the "homosexuality is a sin, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" ilk.
I can't argue this too vehemently, mainly because I totally understand why many people would want this guy to be punished. I'm just saying your idea of where this ends, and someone else's might differ. And on the flip-flop, if someone who gave money to the "no on 8" groups worked in a traditionally straight enviormnent (whatever that would be, bouncer at a Country bar, maybe?), and saw hiw livelihood threatened, I'd guess many of you would be horrified, and rightly so.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
No, this is different. I was in the theatre for years and this man donated to end civil rights for the people who staff his shows and for lots of the customers. This is a totally different situation. The bouncer at a country bar did not donate to strip his customers of rights like the artistic director did.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Sure that's how you (And I) see it. But to others, the rights for gays to marriage is seen as somehow invalidating "traditional" marriage, and to that hypothetical bouncer in a Western bar, his support of gay marriage trivialized straight marriage.
Furthermore, the hardline ani-gay-marriage types don't see this as an infringement on gay rights at all. If marriage is ONLY supposed to be between a man and a woman, then 2 men or 2 women just can't be married, period. It's where you start to get all those creepy and insulting "it's like a man who wants to marry his dog" arguments come in, but it boils down to, if something shouldn't be, then no one can complain if they're not allowed to. It can't be a civil right, if it's wrong.
Again, the above is not a philosophy I agree to, but it goes back to my original point on the original story. Eckern's decision to donate money to this cause, as reprehensible as it seems to you, might not seem TO HIM to be as black-and-white as wanting gays to suffer. Much like I disagree with my anti-choice relatives, people who chose to donate to anti-choice politicians and ballow initiatives, but I wouldn't want anyone boycotting their businesses because of their positions. You're drawing a line in the sand, other people are drawing THEIR lines in the sand, and your lines might not all connect. One person might want Eckern to publicly apologize. Another might want him to donate an equal amount to the ACLU to fight this law. Others will want him fired, humiliated, to the point where he'll never be able to find work. Others will want a scarlet "8" stitched on his clothing, so he must forever wear his shame.
I know, Eckern's position is unique and possibly hypocritical because of his job. But just because people have an idea of what would constitute justice for his transgressions doesn't mean everyone agrees on what that justice is, and who decides which judgment is appropriate?
lilybart
· 1 year ago
Who decides? How about the market? If gay writers pull rights for their shows and the best gay actors, costumers etc dont' work there, then the market decided to punish this man.
Sorry, he insulted the people he needs for his business to succeed and now he should suffer the consequences. Actions have reactions. The theatre has historically been where gay people could safely be because creative people are generally more tolerant and forgiving. Maybe this is why when an artisitc director donates to strip gay people of rights, it is a BIG DEAL. I hope he goes down and finds a nice Mormon dinner theatre somewhere to run where all the male dancers are in the closet, which I bet this man is too.
Topher
· 1 year ago
I have to disagee. The facts in California are different. Gay people had the constitutional right to marry in California. That right was allegely taken away by prop 8 (well see what the courts say). That is way different than "defining" marriage in a state where the marriage laws have not yet been contested.
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
It ends when the Mariott hotels are bankrupt.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
"It" just may end when. . .
1. Religious groups stop lobbying Congress to NOT pass a law to end discrimination against GLBTs in the workplace. In all states, if you are fired because of the color of your skin or your religious CHOICE, you have legal recourse. But in most states you can be fired for being gay and there is no recourse at all because it is legal. Oh, and it happens, too.
2. Same for housing - see #1.
3. Religious groups stop sending certified letters to business who donated money to fight proposition 8, threatening them that they needed to donate an equal amount to the pro-8 campaign OR ELSE.
4. Religious groups stop lying in their anti-gay campaigns. If the ads for supporting Proposition 8 had been truthful, it would have never passed in California.
5. Religious groups stop taking their 'moral fight GLBTs' in Congress over serving in the military, marriage, adoption, having the right to see our partners when they are hospitalized, even allowing us to freely travel.
Sorry, I feel no pity. This effort was all about money and now we are hitting them in the pocketbook. Regarding targeting an entire business, why don't you ask the florists, cake makers, photographers, wedding planners, etc. if they feel targeted by the supporters of proposition 8? I had a very small civil ceremony and dinner and I ended up spending quite a bit. And mine wedding was probably the least extravagant of most.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
You are right in a way. We can take our actions too far, damaging the actors and actresses who perform in his theater. Our actions must be measured and careful to be objective and reasonable. For an extreme example, it would be wrong to have him shot and killed. My thought is that perhaps a boycott of the theater might be too destructive it it results in the failure of what may be one of the better theater companies. Instead, something more moderate such as protest letters, calls and messages without being harassing, maybe even a protest in front of the theater. Or even have some of his friends that work with him simply sit down and have a rational discussion about the issue. However, the last will sadly probably fail since it involves religion on an issue that falls under the religious ruberic. Then again, a good discussion might point out that Leviticus contains many prohibitions and punishments that would be considered superstition and barbaric today, not even the pope would agree with ... well, most popes anyway, suspect that Ratman will happily support anything that reeks of superstition or barbarism.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
It's not like we punish the networks for all they have enabled over the last 8 years.....
Seems overkill. Just go after ol' Scottypie
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
I too share your concern, but this case has its differences:
This guy is not just an employee. He basically runs the artistic side of the theater. He is its public face. He has worked around, and more to the point, made his LIVING off of the work of gay people--the composers, writers, directors, actors, singers, dancers, designers for years, as has the theater he runs.
The yes on 8 side wants to pretend it is just a political difference of opinion. Nothing personal. But Prop 8 is not like voting about giving chickens more leg room. It is an outright attack on us and our families and civil rights.
What he did, and others like him, has REAL consequences to REAL people. Why should his actions not have consequences?
Sad as it is, sometimes in a boycott, innocent bystanders get damaged. Part of the reason they work is those bystanders--the co-workers-- then let the the object of the boycott know what their actions have led to.
I don't think this guy should lose his job. But the heat should be so high that he will think twice about donating when this comes around again--as will other yes on 8 sponsors.
Too many of the religious right want to have the courage of their convictions without having to actually have the courage part.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
OK, how high do you think that heat should be, and what happens if someone else says "NO! HOTTER! MAKE THAT F*CKER BURN!"
Not trying to be jerky about making my point, but your degree of appropriate response and mine and someone else's will all differ. Same thing on the right, where some anti-choice activists believe in protesting as close to family planning clinics as the law allows, others believe in laying down on the walkway so pregnant girls can't enter, and still others believe in torching the place and shooting the doctors. Actions DO have consequences, sometimes inappropriate ones, except to the person who makes those consequences happen, the act is justified.
I'm kinda curious as to whether or not Eckern offers some kind of public statement that explains why he chose to gave to the yes on 8-ers. I'd find it hard to believe a person this ingratiated into the world of theater is a hardline homophobe who wants gays to suffer and feed off their tears. I wouldn't be surprised if his decision, while one I'll still disagree with, is more nuanced and thoughtful than just "f*** the homos."
Topher
· 1 year ago
It doesn't matter how nuanced his decision is. There's no justification for removing rights from anyone, let alone a population of people off whom you've made your living. It's irrelevant, because the end result is still "f*** the homos."
NYCRaf
· 1 year ago
Gays work in the musical theater? NO WAY???
Well call me a friend of Dorothy! I never would have thought that in a million years! Guess we're not in Kansas anymore?
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
Protest are essential and important , but let’s not forget that we need to support organizations like Lambda Legal. Lambda Legal is the oldest national organization pursuing high-impact litigation, public education and advocacy on behalf of equality and civil rights for lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender people and people with HIV. They currently have numerous on-going cases throughout the U.S. Those who want to oppress us are organized. We must battle them in different ways.
Just recently, Lambda Legal has had to let ten employees go due to the bad economy. Those people would probably still be working for our community if more of us would send a little money to Lambda Legal. Those religious organizations that use their non-taxed money to hate on us have a massive stream of cash coming into their coffers. Act up, vote, and donate your time and money to fight for our rights.
"The mission of the John Templeton Foundation is to serve as a philanthropic catalyst for discovery in areas engaging life’s biggest questions. These questions range from explorations into the laws of nature and the universe to questions on the nature of love, gratitude, forgiveness, and creativity.
Our vision is derived from Sir John Templeton’s commitment to rigorous scientific research and related scholarship. The Foundation’s motto “How little we know, how eager to learn” exemplifies our support for open-minded inquiry and our hope for advancing human progress through breakthrough discoveries."
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
How are they "Advancing human progress" by blowing 1.3 million on Hate legislation???
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
boycott Boston Consulting Group. Kermit King of the Chicago branch gave $25,000.00 to yes on 8.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
There is no musical theatre without gay men, none. At least, none that is any good!
shut him down
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Also donating to Yes on 8:
U.S. Conference Of Catholic Bishops $200,000 Family Research Council $64,250
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
Well now...there's a solution for them as well....didn't Perkins have an association with David Duke? And, as for the Catholics - perhaps we should be asking why those churches aren't required to be listed on state child predator directories.
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
Let's not skip over the role of black churches in this, either. They should hang their heads in shame, even more than the Mormons. This is identical to Loving vs Virgina.
Verchiel
· 1 year ago
Elections certainly do have consequences.
brian
· 1 year ago
Interesting DB. Out of the 911 people in Massachusetts that donated, only 19 were supporting Prop 8.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Silly Scottie. Well . . . let's see, how does he feel about going back to Utah to clean toilets or whatever they do for sanitary arrangements in a place like Salt Lake City?
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
I think Slappymagoo & Eclecticbrotha have a point, one that we shouldn't dismiss out of hand; where and how do we draw the line? While certainly we should be cautious in this kind of thing, I can't help thinking how we would act if someone were contributing to the KKK or the American Nazi Party? Free speech is a tricky concept; as Voltaire (by way of Evelyn Beatrice Hall) once said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". But if your free speech hurts other people?
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
I see it as simply giving credit where credit is due. The haters that donated are obviously proud of their commitment to social issues as they pertain equal rights and this would be great publicity for them.
So that they may be properly thanked for their civic mindedness.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I know, if you're against gay marriage, you must be evil incarnate. It can't possibly be that someone believes in equal civil rights for homosexuals - civil union, same-sex benefits, gay adoption etc. - but still has a religious conviction that makes that person believe the sanctity of marriage is only meant to be twixt a man and a woman.
Again, I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm also open-minded enough to believe that not everyone that supported Prop 8 is a gay-bashing homophobe who danced a jig of religious ecstasy when the bill passed. Some people are truly conflicted between what they think all Americans deserve, and what their religion teaches them. Representatives of the Mormon Church might have threatened to boycott people or groups who tried to block Prop 8, but that doesn't mean everyone who supported Prop 8 agreed with that particular threat. Hell, there may have been people who would've loved to get their donations back when they heard of such threats, but couldn't. And I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that Eckern supported this bill because he hates gays, and it seems to me he was in the wrong industry if he did hate gays, so maybejustmaybe his support of Prop 8 was not as malicious as others' support, and has more to do with religious convictions than homophobia. And having a bunch of homosexuals and gay-rights activists threaten to bankrupt him possibly will endear him more towards the actual gay-bashers.
My 2 cents, fwiw.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
Homophobia is Homophobia is Homophobia, for heaven sakes. That it comes from DHRB (deeply held religious beliefs)does NOT excuse it. It merely describes its source. There are any number of things-slavery, women as chattel, the list goes on and on--that are or were well meaning DHRB. Would you defend those too? We have fallen into a dangerous mistake here: We have confused respecting someone's right to hold whatever religious beliefs they may have, with respecting those beliefs themselves. Respect the right to to believe gays are second class citizens? Absolutely. Respect those beliefs? No way.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Sorry, David, while I see the right for gays to marry as clear-cut, I don't believe that I'm excusing DHRB to make homophobia OK. You can choose to see this issue and black and white terms, as I eseentially do as well. But to understand that other people see the shades of gray does not mean I agree with those shades; merely that to lump them in with everyone else on your Enemies' list could be counterproductive; it makes our side look like the DFH the right always makes us out to be, spitting invective at "Good Christians" who are merely voting their conscience. Yeah, I know it sucks. But if you're going to go up to Mr and Mrs. Churchgoer and say "You're trampling on my rights f*cko, either get on my side or face my wrath," don't be surprised if they lose sympathy to your cause.
The Mormon Church, as an entity, saw fit to not only deprive you of civil rights but to threaten others who don't join them. Therefore, in my eyes, if you want to protest the church, boycott businesses that the church owns, there's not thing one wrong with that. But when you start targeting individuals - even unique individuals such as this possibly hypocrite who probably comes in direct contact with more homosexuals in a day than mant Americans knowingly will in their entire lives - then we're only half a step away from leaving threatening notes (or worse) on their front doors, leaving voice mail that lets them know we know where they live and the routes they take home from work, what schools their kids attend, etc. We're inches away from approaching them as they spend a day with their families and throwing fake blood on them shouting about how it represents everyone that's died because of rampant homophobia. You can argue it's justifiable, but will it be effective? Or will it be used by the right to vilify you more? I suspect the latter, and I'd hate for such an important issue to be even more handicapped by people's anger, no matter how righteous it may be. And just because YOU won't be the one who goes to such ridiculous lengths doesn't guarantee someone else won't because tempers are so high and there's now a concerted effort to attack individual donors where they work (and perhaps live, certainly HOW they live if we affect their incomes) rather than organizations.
Just be aware that, in your pursuit of wrath, you may be shooting yourself , if not the whole cause, in the foot.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
And maybe not.
Topher
· 1 year ago
Only if you frame this as a political rather than a legal issue. My civil rights are not beholden to anyone's opinion or religious belief.
mirth
· 1 year ago
The next time some religious freak starts with the "let's talk and see if we can reach a consensus," I'm gonna use the f-word really loud.
As in "where civil rights are concerned (or anything else, for that matter), who the FUCK do you think you are to expect me to give a FUCK about your opinion."
Ken Clark
· 1 year ago
Marriage has civil/legal connontations as well as religous ones. The supporters of Prop h8te can not impringe upon my rights simply because of their deeply held religous beliefs. I have deeply held religous beliefs that all Prop h8te supporters should be flogged. Using their logic, when can I start the flogging?
tomsoppe
· 1 year ago
Living in Citrus Heights is almost punishment enough....
But let's punish the bastard more anyway.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
More on Templeton...the son of this character is the one who donated the money, per Philly.com. And there's this, from NPR which should shake you up:
July 8, 2008 · John Templeton, the billionaire investor and philanthropist, has died. Templeton was a pioneer of international investing and mutual funds in the years after World War II. He was also known for the prize that sought to reconcile science and religion.
Like, the earth was created 6,000 years ago, maybe?
I suspect any mutual fund with "Templeton" in the name (such as Franklin Templeton) is an offshoot of this old bird's machinations. I'd remove my money if I had any.
GMinDE
· 1 year ago
And what are we to make of Templeton's stickiest project of all--an $8 million grant to create the Institute for Research on Unlimited Love, that last being defined by Templeton Sr. as "total constant love for every person with no exception"?
The Templeton Prize is a very large sum of money that is offered every year to a scientist who contributes to proving the existence of God. That's a simplification, but basically it. Its real goal is to dangle enough money to get good scientists to throw away their ethics, or simply reward bad scientists so that the Fundies have material to work with. Again, a simplification, but basically it in a nutshell. Even simpler: epic dangerous.
grandma6
· 1 year ago
WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?? THIS IS WHY I WILL NOT HAVE A TV IN MY HOME.. HELL IS ON EARTH AND THE DEVIL WALKS HERE STARTING UP TROUBLE. HOMO'S ARE NOT NEW BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS RIGHT. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL ABOUT MARRIAGE, I THOUGHT EVERYONE OUT WEST IN CALIFORNIA LIVE TOGETHER ANYWAY. YOUR INCITING THESE PEOPLE IS A HATE CRIME !!! I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND THEM. THE IGNORAANT REMARKS SHOWN WE HAVE A BUNCH OF IGNORAMUS PEOPLE IN THE US OF A. ARE THESE FROM THE HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE ALONE ?? WHAT DOES THAT SHOW THEN????
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
You don't own a tv, but you have internet access and hit political blogs? (Since the comment I was commeting on was removed, this doesn't make a lick of sense.)
Cpeterka
· 1 year ago
Please don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY FEEL.
[Snark, Snark, Milk shooting out of my nose, etc..]
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
Oh the fucking irony...
"THE IGNORAANT REMARKS..."
barts
· 1 year ago
I gave 2 donations, one directly to No on Prop 8 and one through ActBlue, but I didn't see my name on the list. This makes me wonder if this list is complete and comprehensive.
BTW, I noticed some of the donors wrote in "none" or never bothered to list their employment. Nice.
voxbear
· 1 year ago
Same story on my donation... not in the DB.
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
Why are the donations I made to the No on Prop 8 campaign through the ActBlue website not showing up on the data base? I made 4 donations, one directely to the campaign and 3 through ActBlue, and yet only the direct donation is showing up. Is there some sort of hanky panky going on? Is ActBlue way behind on reporting? Whazup with this?
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
I think it takes a month or two for the donations to show up.
SeattleTom
· 1 year ago
This is really no better than Sarah Palin accusing Obama of "palling around with terrorists". If this guy is assaulted, has his tires slashed, etc. where does the responsibility lie? "Payback is a bitch. With very sharp heels." sounds like a threat. If a right wing blog used similar words the left wing community would definately call bullshit for hate mongering (yes, hate does go both ways).
Cpeterka
· 1 year ago
"Payback is a bitch. With very sharp heels." is a gay/cross dressing type joke. You know... Like Rudy Gulianni aka Mr 9-11" and those other Republican types that wear dresses only in private.
Yuck it up..., don't go off the wall.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
Get real. A boycott isn't hate - it is an informed decision. Nobody is 'forcing' people not to buy or support these folks who have been targeting the gay community for decades. You have a problem with the 1st amendment?
Harper
· 1 year ago
Right. A threat. Because fags in stilettos are ALWAYS the ones perpetrating the hate crimes.
Yutz.
Bluestocking
· 1 year ago
About two weeks ago, the hateful religious right and Mormon bigots running the Yes on 8 campaign threatened the livelihood of anyone who donated to the No on 8 campaign. Uh oh. I see a little goose and gander coming.
Absolutely, John! If the Religious Right see it as their right to boycott any person or place which opposed Proposition 8, then the LGBT community has every bit as much right to boycott any person or place which endorsed it. Turn about is fair play! If Scott Eckern claims to believe that people should take responsibility for their choices and accept the consequences thereof -- which, as a "good Mormon boy", he probably does -- then he should be prepared to accept whatever penalty comes his way for his decision to bite the hands which help feed him.
Jnavin
· 1 year ago
Here is a link that lists all of the LDS-church owned radio stations in America (via their media arm "Bonneville Broadcasting):
Note the big markets: WTOP in Washington, D.C., for example, is Mormon owned.
Again, it would be a damn shame if someone, somewhere began a boycott of the sponsors of these radio stations. If someone, somewhere were to let the sponsors know why they were being boycotted, etc...
Just a damn shame.
Chrissy
· 1 year ago
Bonneville Media is owned by the Mormon church and does all of their TV production too.
I want to know the following about the Yes on 8 campaign:
1) Which tv production company made those "conversation starter" commercials? Why commercial production company made the Yes on 8 propaganda commercials? 2) If it was Bonneville media, did they do it for free or at a heavily discounted rate? 3) Why wasn't that reported on the California state campaign reports? 4) If they did report it, was the value reported equal to all the actual expense of the campaign? If you will remember, they had to have crews all up and down California. Very expensive. 5) If Bonneville made the commercials or some of them, and they didn't report it, should a criminal complaint be filed with the State Attorney General?
boloboffin
· 1 year ago
Here's another interesting person to consider publicizing: Brad Mayne of Arena Operating Company. Brad's here in Coppell, TX. He contributed $5,000 to projectmarriage.
I believe that the company is actually named the Center Operating Company, because that's the company that runs the American Airlines Center here in Dallas, which is called the "Arena." I'm going to check this out. The Mavericks play in the AA Center (owned by Mr. Cuban, of course), and there are lots of concerts, etc.
We almost elected an openly gay mayor here in Dallas. This is something we might be able to chase down.
"Tom Hicks and Ross Perot, Jr. started it," said Brad Mayne, president of Center Operating Company, the company formed by the teams to build and operate the building, "and Mark Cuban has improved it even more. This is a unique combination of vision and skill with Mr. Hicks' financial acumen, and Mr. Perot's development skills along with Mark Cuban's understanding of technology. Dallas is lucky to have had this blend of talent and resources."
How INTERESTING that Mr. Mayne managed to mislabel the name of his company while contributing $5,000 to help write discrimination into the CA state constitution. And how INTERESTING that Mr. Mayne managed to forget his actual title, President of the company, when he contributed to the passage of Proposition H8.
ETA: More fun. Mr. Mayne address UT-Arlington back in 2005.
I'm still trying to confirm that he's the CEO right now. He may have left in 2007.
ETA: Sorry to keep changing this, but this guy turns to be a screwy hypocrite as well. From his graduation remarks:
"Next----you can be a major influence when you help our children and our community, learn to celebrate our differences as well as our sameness.
"At American Airlines Center, we have a diverse work force. It includes people of all races, color, ethnicities and gender. And, there are differences in backgrounds, education and experience.
"Housekeepers, chefs, attorneys, cashiers, police officers, stage hands, sales people, electricians, people who can put round balls and galvanized rubber pucks into nets and trainers who can help keep them on the Ice and Court... Maintenance workers, human resource specialists, CPAs, ticket sellers. The list goes on and on.
"And just like the team on the court, on the ice, or on the turf, everyone must handle his or her tasks, in order for our team to be successful. We discuss the importance of making all 3 million guests we host each year, feel as though they have had a grand experience, one that inspires them to come back to the American Airlines Center for another event. I know that working together and celebrating our diversity is the reason for our success.
"Your workplace will be diverse!"
Except for them gays, which NEVER work at the AA Center. Yeah.
boloboffin
· 1 year ago
He is still the CEO according to Yahoo.
He's also on the board of this industry group for facility management, IAAM Foundation.
And yet the guy who runs the arena with their name is making sure Proposition 8 passes.
clytemnestra
· 1 year ago
they just aren't pro-inclusion of service, leg room, food, etc. .... I flew thei partner British Airways in August ... wow what a difference
A flight from Boston and San Diego on AA was 6 hours no food, no real entertainment, general feeling of jet being packed in to go somewhere
sorry .. I just couldn't help myself
Flight from Boston to London on BA was 6 hours 2 meals,. a little TV in the back of the seat a head of you - many different entertainment options and the flight was a few dollars less than AA
decotodd
· 1 year ago
One thing I've been doing over the past few days is noticing news accounts which quote pastors of influential churches who spoke out against Prop 8. I've been copying (or printing) the article, hilighting the pertinent portion of the article and will send it to the IRS along with their complaint form.
Just this morning, there is another article in the LA Times which discusses Rick Warren and an email he sent out to his flock. Time for another mailing to the IRS.
I'm also thinking of sending a copy of the complaint to the offending church -- just so they know we're on to them.
I really do wish if people are going to boycott (donors of those who supported PROP 8), it could be more organized. I realize there are ramifications to boycotts. However, to those affected by a boycott, I say therein lies it's strength/purpose. Does anyone know of anyone who supported the measure and is in the marriage/wedding industry?
I fantasize of thousands, perhaps millions, boycotting florists, hotels, travel agencies, airlines ,dress shoppes, tux rental stores, horse & carriage rental, car rental, caterers,wedding planners, etc. (One could even suggest an actual boycott of attending or participating with any family or friends wedding)
The impact would be monumental and we could see the same result as happened during the Florida Orange boycott of the 70's or the Coors beer boycott of the 80s. We need to learn and teach the new generation of the power of our selves
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
It takes time to focus an effective boycott. This just happened. Remember, we are doing this in REAL TIME on the internet. We will focus it were it needs to be focused. No worries.
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
Nice little database. This could be the basis for an organized boycott. A little punishment for the supporters. I checked out my local community, and there are owners of restaurants, realtors, doctors, and dentists who supported Prop 8. We should refuse to patronize bigots.
Webster
· 1 year ago
There are dentists all over this database--in every state. What's up with that? Didn't trust them before this--trust them less now.
davespicer
· 1 year ago
The headquarters of the Knights of Columbus is in New Haven, Connecticut (in what is locally known as "The Tootsie Roll Building"). They gave $1.4 million in support of Prop 8.
klondike
· 1 year ago
Guess who I found? General Manager of the Boston Celtics Danny Ainge - through wife Michelle, dropped $1000 in support on 10/28. Championship or no, attaching the Celtics to this won't make him any friends in Boston or within his ownership group.
boloboffin
· 1 year ago
"Ainge played basketball at Brigham Young University"
Mormon background is well known here, just surprising that he'd stick his neck out like this for a proposition like that.
boloboffin
· 1 year ago
Well, he didn't, did he? He stuck out his wife's neck!
JK, of course. It's like you could go down the list. Laurence Simmons gave $25,000.
foxy
· 1 year ago
This stuff keeps surfacing...wow.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Good for the goose is good for the gander. I.LOVE.IT. Now we are talking!
warbler
· 1 year ago
Oh,Oh. This guy's son, Erick Scott Eckern also went to BYU and his page on Facebook gives me a funny feeling that Dad and son are not seeing eye to eye. Hard to tell from a picture but just sayin.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
For those who are upset about people or organizations that MIGHT feel the wrath of a boycott, although they are somehow innocent, I would like to remind everyone THIS JUST HAPPENED. We, in the LGBT community, are entitled to process our emotions then studiously focus our boycott effectively. It is happening in REAL TIME on the internet. We haven't hurt ANYONE financially yet, but the threat remains and I'm SURE we will back up our threats with action when we have properly focused who needs to be punished. Remember, this is the INTERNET and we are in CONVERSATION mode in REAL TIME. Its alright to remain concerned the innocent are not punished, but its also okay to throw something out in anger since we are all processing this together. Its like a real time meeting where suggestions are made, voted down and correct actions decided on. I'm getting a little tired of the "concern trolling" regarding the "innocent being hurt." We haven't boycotted ANYONE yet. Patience... the boycotts will come, and the guilty will be punished properly.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
I am kinda shocked that so many people don't get this. Still, I am glad that our 'inner power' has been awakened.
Delia
· 1 year ago
John, I'm on record against your idea to punish the entire state of Utah for the LDS church's support of this hateful campaign. But this, OTOH, is most certainly change I can believe in. :)
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Well as much as I enjoy me some skiing at Park City, I will not be going this year. I hope Sundance pulls out too...that would really get their attention. Screw them I say. I know some innocents may get caught in a boycott, but perhaps they will put pressure on the Mormons to stay out of our business.
clytemnestra
· 1 year ago
Well I wonder how well how well the Color Purple is doing right now .. not to mention Stomp .. and maybe even Forever Plaid (I can't tell if it's till playing) http://www.californiamusicaltheatre.com/index.cfm
wonder how many will cross the picket line to go watch the show, or how many will trun in their tickets/seek a refund ... or how mnay actors will show up
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Thank you for the link. I sent them a professional yet nasty email asking them to fire Mr. Eckern. I am also notifying Actor's Equity.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Gosh, I'm surprised to see people from my city of Santa Monica. But the good news: more, waaaaaaaaay more from my zip code contributed to the NO on Hate8.
Meanwhile, it really is upsetting to see the YesOn8 supporters - kinda like finding out who really hates you as a gay/lesbian yet they hide behind the Bible or "for the kids" bs explanation.
Meanwhile, has anyone EVER answered the question how a gay marriage affects them or their kids? Seriously.
Wisterley
· 1 year ago
Feminizing men who work in the theatre is vulgar and stereotypical and the kind of thing one expects from our enemies.
I doubt that Marc S can 'pull the rights' for anything as he doesn't own them. He has licensed them to a licensing company which determines who can and cannot produce the work. According to his contract he cannot insist that they don't license to a particular theatre unless that theatre intends to make material changes to the piece. I would suspect that most if not all of the actors employed in this theatre are not union members. BYU pumps out hundreds of musical theatre grads whose greatest aspiration is to people the installations at Mousewitcz. These are the kind of performers employed in such a theatre.
Fine to strike back but lets try to make it obey the rules of the real world.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
You are mistaken. California Music Theater employs Union Equity Members only. Save maybe a couple of apprentices.
Wintergreen4President
· 1 year ago
What these Latter Day Schmucks keep forgetting is that gay people have discretionary income and long memories.
voxbear
· 1 year ago
I see here in Texas the CEO of Cinemark (which includes Century Theatres and TInseltown) contributed $9,999 in support of Prop 8. I'd say we need to look for another place to buy our overpriced popcorn and see a movie as well.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
WOW. What an asshole. I guess that explains why Religulous is not showing at his theaters in our town either. What a Dick.
Forty2
· 1 year ago
well, pulling up Massachusetts reveals 19 "Yes" supporters* and 892 (!!) "No" supporters. I'm one of the latter, but I didn't see my contribution, and I didn't see those of any of my friends, so I have to wonder how accurate this database is.
*Unsurprisingly, there's a Jennifer Romney of Belmont (unsure how she's related to Mittens), and Kris Mineau of the so-called Mass. Family "Institute" which from his $100 contrib sounds like a room in his mommy's basement. However, Jon Crutchely, the Manhunt guy who supported McCain then got trashed for that, donated $10,000 against, so he's not all bad, and there are some even larger contributions against from people I've never heard of, so nobody can say that us Bay Staters didn't try!
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
I love this story. Great post. Also, I imagine there will be a lot of really bad hair in Utah.
The Tim Channel
· 1 year ago
Mormons have a long history of trying to influence their neighbors. They'd still be in Missouri if they hadn't try to turn the state into their own private Jerusalem! There's a reason they're out in the middle of bumfreak Utah.
Enjoy.
la428
· 1 year ago
Ha. It must be getting their attention. I just went to the California Musical Theater's website, and the staff email links that were there on Saturday are now disabled.
I don't disagree with the idea here and please bitch slap me gently when you educate me, but there's something about the zeal in the original post and most of the comments that makes me uncomfortable.
I applaud taking action, 100%.
But something about the anger and the zeal doesn't sit right with me. It reminds me of them. I thought we were better than them. I can't see Obama sounding like this.
Again, please be gentle when you tell me why I'm wrong because I truly do back the substance, if not the style.
22state
· 1 year ago
ER, No. Don't go there.
Publicize, ridicule, educate. All appropriate reactions. Don't go after a guy's job. That isn't liberal. Just because the other side is doing it doesn't make it moral or even useful behavior.
We may be handicapped by our ethics, but that is what makes us who we are.
No job action against bigots. BTW, that doesn't mean no boycotts aimed at getting PUBLIC retraction and then support of the position. Just no actions aimed only at getting someone fired.
la428
· 1 year ago
And these are the email address for the Board Members for the California Musical Theater that I could find:
"The League of Sacramento Theatres is a nonprofit organization of theatre companies and individual theatre artists established to unite, strengthen and advance theatre in the Sacramento region."
Perhaps the theaters that make up the League might want to know how the community feels about him.
Scott Eckern's bio on the website for the California Musical Theater claims that he "sits on the board" of the National Alliance for Musical Theater. http://www.californiamusicaltheatre.com/index.c...
Witch hunts are so last Milleniium! Kids, channel your ire over the passage of Prop h8 by protesting, educating the ignorant, and targeting institutions with anti-gay biases (like the LDS), not human beings who may have beliefs that differ from our own. I have worked at California Music Theater MANY times and I will work there again because I am a theater professional and I am treated as such by Soctt Eckern and the entire staff. Let us not 'boycott' a theater that employs a great many people (and a very large number of gay men and lesbians) and that entertains countless people (the GLBT community included) because one of its administrators has been directed by his church to , ahem, protect the 'sanctity of marriage' (egad, that is as ridiculous as can be..but anyhoo)...can't we just decide he is a pitiable slave to his religious convictions, ask that he look again at his decision and perhaps make peace with the folks with whom he works that will suffer the consequences of the legislation. Let us be educators, not punishers. Let us make a difference by raising our voice in support of change not against individuals who, for whatever reason, hang on to their fearful biases.
Going after individuals and thier jobs will not change their opinions or their beliefs about our rights...and such activity is just an ugly mirror of what has happened to our community for way too long...stop the legacy of lashing out! Destructive behavior creates nothing. Focus on the vision of a future of equality and take action accordingly. Protest, yes...but target institutions with policies of hate and tenets of bigotry, not misguided individuals.
Adaptistration
· 1 year ago
I'm glad to see this is getting some attention. For arts managers, there is an important lesson here with regard to the process behind exercising political action.
All Comments
Get the picture now trolls?
Mormon "art" is all about Donnie & Marie, I thought. Or maybe it's just "don't ask, don't tell" among Mormons?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27640617/
Harassing individuals is the worst possible PR for your cause. Stay with the Mormon Church itself. Destroying the lives of individual donors is going to backfire.
They should be exposed for their generosity. Let their neighbors and co-workers know how civic minded the haters are.
Teach them a lesson, expose the cockroaches and the Mormon Cult for what they really are.
Suze Orman OPPOSED for $10 Grand !!
I am Impressed... and will go out and buy several of her books just to say, Thanks !!!
What these groups (Mormon's, etc) do is to lie and stab you in the back. It's time to put a face on it.
Keep sharpening those heels, John!
Here's his bio from the theater's website:
Scott Eckern (Artistic Director) joined California Musical Theatre in the summer of 1984 as co-director of the prestigious Music Circus internship program sponsored by American River College, where he was an adjunct professor of theatre arts. In succeeding years, he assumed a variety of artistic and administrative positions at the theatre while continuing his teaching career during the academic year. In due course he became a tenured professor in the drama and dance department at Stockton's University of the Pacific. An actor, musician, director and playwright in his own right with a Bachelor of Arts in Dramatic Arts from University of California, Santa Barbara and a Master of Fine Arts degree in acting from Brigham Young University. Mr. Eckern left academia in 1993 for a full-time appointment as California Musical Theatre's general manager. In 2002, he was named the company's artistic director. In that position, he provides CMT's overall artistic vision and direction and is responsible for the day-to-day supervision of the organization. Mr. Eckern is president of the League of Sacramento Theatres and sits on the board of the National Alliance for Musical Theatre. He served as the producer of the Sacramento Temple Youth Cultural Celebration, More Precious Than Gold, at Arco Arena and is the recipient of BYU’s College of Fine Arts and Communications Honored Alumni award. He is also an adjunct professor of theatre at Sacramento State University and American River College.Mr. Eckern and his wife, Paula, have three children: Lauren, Erik and Bryan.
Just think how many gays and lesbians Mr. BYU has worked with over the years and still doesn't think we're equal humans. Wonder how many he avoids hiring in addition to denying us the right to marry?
Might be fun for like minded individuals to ban together and rent billboards. Across the top it could say something like, "These (your State) Donated Money To Pass Hate Laws", then list their names and the amount the haters donated. All across each state, especially in the larger cities.
BRING THEM DOWN!
Search on Templeton
and see who supports the measure BIG Time !!
Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/29/08
Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/27/08
Josephine Templeton Jr Support $100,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 10/7/08
John Templeton Jr Support $450,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 8/18/08
John Templeton Jr Support $450,000.00 PA Bryn Mawr 8/18/08
John Templeton Jr
Occupation PRESIDENT OF
Employer JOHN TEMPLETON FOUNDATION
City Bryn Mawr
State PA
Think about how much GOOD could have been done for that 1.3 Million they spent on HATE.
Unreal...what screwed up priorities some people with more money than sense have.
I guess love thy neighbor and the golden rule are just words to them.
" Is the Foundation involved in politics?
No. The federal tax code governing 501(c)3 nonprofits specifically prohibits such organizations from engaging in political activities. The Foundation is a non-partisan, non-political entity. We neither endorse, nor contribute to political candidates, campaigns, or movements of any kind. "
Wonder if anyone told the boss?
Gary Rosen, communications director for the Templeton Foundation, said yesterday that the Templetons' donation was private and not from the foundation,
Have you seen this guys photo. It really screams "I'm hiding something" & "phobic" at me.
Chapter 20:
9: For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11: And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
12: And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
"Apocalypto" was one thing Mel Gibson did right.
19: Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
That is, no mixed blends.
Here's a great and funny web site which talks about this:
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~craft/bush/pages/levi...
RON
Let them go weed the fields.....
But when groups target an entire business for the actions of one individual within the business, it starts to seem very wrong to me. Yes, I know, he was denying the rights of gays to marry, so in a tit-for-tat world his own pursuit of happiness, ala his wage-earning abilities, is up for grabs.
But where does it end? Will we reach a point where, as a movement, we will boycott and target people who contribute to political candidates who we disagree with? Will we start to use groups who will vet entire industries, entire corporations, to make sure they're in-line with our philosophies? If our cell phone service provider employs someone in tech support who doesn't believe in gay marriage, will we target that entire business? If a local mom-and-pop store - one of those small businesses that are the backbone of America - has a stock boy who grew up with a warped sense of right and wrong and donated a double sawbuck to the yes-on-8 folks, will we target the store, forcing Americans to either hire who WE deem are worth hiring or face our wrath?
Just seems like we're entering slippery-slope, very-fine-shades-of-gray territory on this one. The stuff Rod Serling analogous Twilight Zone scripts used to be made of, or maybe the star-bellied Sneetches of Dr. Seuss fame, only replace the star with a rainbow. Tread lightly, as there's bound to be lots of collateral damage and innocent bystanders who could wind up suffering.
I can't argue this too vehemently, mainly because I totally understand why many people would want this guy to be punished. I'm just saying your idea of where this ends, and someone else's might differ. And on the flip-flop, if someone who gave money to the "no on 8" groups worked in a traditionally straight enviormnent (whatever that would be, bouncer at a Country bar, maybe?), and saw hiw livelihood threatened, I'd guess many of you would be horrified, and rightly so.
Furthermore, the hardline ani-gay-marriage types don't see this as an infringement on gay rights at all. If marriage is ONLY supposed to be between a man and a woman, then 2 men or 2 women just can't be married, period. It's where you start to get all those creepy and insulting "it's like a man who wants to marry his dog" arguments come in, but it boils down to, if something shouldn't be, then no one can complain if they're not allowed to. It can't be a civil right, if it's wrong.
Again, the above is not a philosophy I agree to, but it goes back to my original point on the original story. Eckern's decision to donate money to this cause, as reprehensible as it seems to you, might not seem TO HIM to be as black-and-white as wanting gays to suffer. Much like I disagree with my anti-choice relatives, people who chose to donate to anti-choice politicians and ballow initiatives, but I wouldn't want anyone boycotting their businesses because of their positions. You're drawing a line in the sand, other people are drawing THEIR lines in the sand, and your lines might not all connect. One person might want Eckern to publicly apologize. Another might want him to donate an equal amount to the ACLU to fight this law. Others will want him fired, humiliated, to the point where he'll never be able to find work. Others will want a scarlet "8" stitched on his clothing, so he must forever wear his shame.
I know, Eckern's position is unique and possibly hypocritical because of his job. But just because people have an idea of what would constitute justice for his transgressions doesn't mean everyone agrees on what that justice is, and who decides which judgment is appropriate?
Sorry, he insulted the people he needs for his business to succeed and now he should suffer the consequences. Actions have reactions. The theatre has historically been where gay people could safely be because creative people are generally more tolerant and forgiving. Maybe this is why when an artisitc director donates to strip gay people of rights, it is a BIG DEAL. I hope he goes down and finds a nice Mormon dinner theatre somewhere to run where all the male dancers are in the closet, which I bet this man is too.
1. Religious groups stop lobbying Congress to NOT pass a law to end discrimination against GLBTs in the workplace. In all states, if you are fired because of the color of your skin or your religious CHOICE, you have legal recourse. But in most states you can be fired for being gay and there is no recourse at all because it is legal. Oh, and it happens, too.
2. Same for housing - see #1.
3. Religious groups stop sending certified letters to business who donated money to fight proposition 8, threatening them that they needed to donate an equal amount to the pro-8 campaign OR ELSE.
4. Religious groups stop lying in their anti-gay campaigns. If the ads for supporting Proposition 8 had been truthful, it would have never passed in California.
5. Religious groups stop taking their 'moral fight GLBTs' in Congress over serving in the military, marriage, adoption, having the right to see our partners when they are hospitalized, even allowing us to freely travel.
Sorry, I feel no pity. This effort was all about money and now we are hitting them in the pocketbook. Regarding targeting an entire business, why don't you ask the florists, cake makers, photographers, wedding planners, etc. if they feel targeted by the supporters of proposition 8? I had a very small civil ceremony and dinner and I ended up spending quite a bit. And mine wedding was probably the least extravagant of most.
Seems overkill.
Just go after ol' Scottypie
This guy is not just an employee. He basically runs the artistic side of the theater. He is its public face. He has worked around, and more to the point, made his LIVING off of the work of gay people--the composers, writers, directors, actors, singers, dancers, designers for years, as has the theater he runs.
The yes on 8 side wants to pretend it is just a political difference of opinion. Nothing personal. But Prop 8 is not like voting about giving chickens more leg room. It is an outright attack on us and our families and civil rights.
What he did, and others like him, has REAL consequences to REAL people. Why should his actions not have consequences?
Sad as it is, sometimes in a boycott, innocent bystanders get damaged. Part of the reason they work is those bystanders--the co-workers-- then let the the object of the boycott know what their actions have led to.
I don't think this guy should lose his job. But the heat should be so high that he will think twice about donating when this comes around again--as will other yes on 8 sponsors.
Too many of the religious right want to have the courage of their convictions without having to actually have the courage part.
Not trying to be jerky about making my point, but your degree of appropriate response and mine and someone else's will all differ. Same thing on the right, where some anti-choice activists believe in protesting as close to family planning clinics as the law allows, others believe in laying down on the walkway so pregnant girls can't enter, and still others believe in torching the place and shooting the doctors. Actions DO have consequences, sometimes inappropriate ones, except to the person who makes those consequences happen, the act is justified.
I'm kinda curious as to whether or not Eckern offers some kind of public statement that explains why he chose to gave to the yes on 8-ers. I'd find it hard to believe a person this ingratiated into the world of theater is a hardline homophobe who wants gays to suffer and feed off their tears. I wouldn't be surprised if his decision, while one I'll still disagree with, is more nuanced and thoughtful than just "f*** the homos."
Well call me a friend of Dorothy! I never would have thought that in a million years! Guess we're not in Kansas anymore?
Just recently, Lambda Legal has had to let ten employees go due to the bad economy. Those people would probably still be working for our community if more of us would send a little money to Lambda Legal. Those religious organizations that use their non-taxed money to hate on us have a massive stream of cash coming into their coffers. Act up, vote, and donate your time and money to fight for our rights.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/take-action/
Bravo Marc! You are my hero!!!!
"The mission of the John Templeton Foundation is to serve as a philanthropic catalyst for discovery in areas engaging life’s biggest questions. These questions range from explorations into the laws of nature and the universe to questions on the nature of love, gratitude, forgiveness, and creativity.
Our vision is derived from Sir John Templeton’s commitment to rigorous scientific research and related scholarship. The Foundation’s motto “How little we know, how eager to learn” exemplifies our support for open-minded inquiry and our hope for advancing human progress through breakthrough discoveries."
shut him down
U.S. Conference Of Catholic Bishops $200,000
Family Research Council $64,250
And, as for the Catholics - perhaps we should be asking why those churches aren't required to be listed on state child predator directories.
So that they may be properly thanked for their civic mindedness.
Again, I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm also open-minded enough to believe that not everyone that supported Prop 8 is a gay-bashing homophobe who danced a jig of religious ecstasy when the bill passed. Some people are truly conflicted between what they think all Americans deserve, and what their religion teaches them. Representatives of the Mormon Church might have threatened to boycott people or groups who tried to block Prop 8, but that doesn't mean everyone who supported Prop 8 agreed with that particular threat. Hell, there may have been people who would've loved to get their donations back when they heard of such threats, but couldn't. And I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that Eckern supported this bill because he hates gays, and it seems to me he was in the wrong industry if he did hate gays, so maybejustmaybe his support of Prop 8 was not as malicious as others' support, and has more to do with religious convictions than homophobia. And having a bunch of homosexuals and gay-rights activists threaten to bankrupt him possibly will endear him more towards the actual gay-bashers.
My 2 cents, fwiw.
The Mormon Church, as an entity, saw fit to not only deprive you of civil rights but to threaten others who don't join them. Therefore, in my eyes, if you want to protest the church, boycott businesses that the church owns, there's not thing one wrong with that. But when you start targeting individuals - even unique individuals such as this possibly hypocrite who probably comes in direct contact with more homosexuals in a day than mant Americans knowingly will in their entire lives - then we're only half a step away from leaving threatening notes (or worse) on their front doors, leaving voice mail that lets them know we know where they live and the routes they take home from work, what schools their kids attend, etc. We're inches away from approaching them as they spend a day with their families and throwing fake blood on them shouting about how it represents everyone that's died because of rampant homophobia. You can argue it's justifiable, but will it be effective? Or will it be used by the right to vilify you more? I suspect the latter, and I'd hate for such an important issue to be even more handicapped by people's anger, no matter how righteous it may be. And just because YOU won't be the one who goes to such ridiculous lengths doesn't guarantee someone else won't because tempers are so high and there's now a concerted effort to attack individual donors where they work (and perhaps live, certainly HOW they live if we affect their incomes) rather than organizations.
Just be aware that, in your pursuit of wrath, you may be shooting yourself , if not the whole cause, in the foot.
As in "where civil rights are concerned (or anything else, for that matter), who the FUCK do you think you are to expect me to give a FUCK about your opinion."
But let's punish the bastard more anyway.
July 8, 2008 · John Templeton, the billionaire investor and philanthropist, has died. Templeton was a pioneer of international investing and mutual funds in the years after World War II. He was also known for the prize that sought to reconcile science and religion.
Like, the earth was created 6,000 years ago, maybe?
I suspect any mutual fund with "Templeton" in the name (such as Franklin Templeton) is an offshoot of this old bird's machinations. I'd remove my money if I had any.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071022/ehrenreich
(Since the comment I was commeting on was removed, this doesn't make a lick of sense.)
Tell us how you REALLY FEEL.
[Snark, Snark, Milk shooting out of my nose, etc..]
"THE IGNORAANT REMARKS..."
BTW, I noticed some of the donors wrote in "none" or never bothered to list their employment. Nice.
You know... Like Rudy Gulianni aka Mr 9-11" and those other Republican types that wear dresses only in private.
Yuck it up..., don't go off the wall.
Yutz.
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Absolutely, John! If the Religious Right see it as their right to boycott any person or place which opposed Proposition 8, then the LGBT community has every bit as much right to boycott any person or place which endorsed it. Turn about is fair play! If Scott Eckern claims to believe that people should take responsibility for their choices and accept the consequences thereof -- which, as a "good Mormon boy", he probably does -- then he should be prepared to accept whatever penalty comes his way for his decision to bite the hands which help feed him.
http://www.bonneville.com/?nid=3
Note the big markets: WTOP in Washington, D.C., for example, is Mormon owned.
Again, it would be a damn shame if someone, somewhere began a boycott of the sponsors of these radio stations. If someone, somewhere were to let the sponsors know why they were being boycotted, etc...
Just a damn shame.
I want to know the following about the Yes on 8 campaign:
1) Which tv production company made those "conversation starter" commercials? Why commercial production company made the Yes on 8 propaganda commercials?
2) If it was Bonneville media, did they do it for free or at a heavily discounted rate?
3) Why wasn't that reported on the California state campaign reports?
4) If they did report it, was the value reported equal to all the actual expense of the campaign? If you will remember, they had to have crews all up and down California. Very expensive.
5) If Bonneville made the commercials or some of them, and they didn't report it, should a criminal complaint be filed with the State Attorney General?
http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/?appSession=7...
If that doesn't work, I'll provide a better link.
I believe that the company is actually named the Center Operating Company, because that's the company that runs the American Airlines Center here in Dallas, which is called the "Arena." I'm going to check this out. The Mavericks play in the AA Center (owned by Mr. Cuban, of course), and there are lots of concerts, etc.
We almost elected an openly gay mayor here in Dallas. This is something we might be able to chase down.
ETA: Bingo.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_...
"Tom Hicks and Ross Perot, Jr. started it," said Brad Mayne, president of Center Operating Company, the company formed by the teams to build and operate the building, "and Mark Cuban has improved it even more. This is a unique combination of vision and skill with Mr. Hicks' financial acumen, and Mr. Perot's development skills along with Mark Cuban's understanding of technology. Dallas is lucky to have had this blend of talent and resources."
How INTERESTING that Mr. Mayne managed to mislabel the name of his company while contributing $5,000 to help write discrimination into the CA state constitution. And how INTERESTING that Mr. Mayne managed to forget his actual title, President of the company, when he contributed to the passage of Proposition H8.
ETA: More fun. Mr. Mayne address UT-Arlington back in 2005.
http://www.uta.edu/coed/commence/mayne.php
He wanted to be a plumber.
I'm still trying to confirm that he's the CEO right now. He may have left in 2007.
ETA: Sorry to keep changing this, but this guy turns to be a screwy hypocrite as well. From his graduation remarks:
"Next----you can be a major influence when you help our children and our community, learn to celebrate our differences as well as our sameness.
"At American Airlines Center, we have a diverse work force. It includes people of all races, color, ethnicities and gender. And, there are differences in backgrounds, education and experience.
"Housekeepers, chefs, attorneys, cashiers, police officers, stage hands, sales people, electricians, people who can put round balls and galvanized rubber pucks into nets and trainers who can help keep them on the Ice and Court... Maintenance workers, human resource specialists, CPAs, ticket sellers. The list goes on and on.
"And just like the team on the court, on the ice, or on the turf, everyone must handle his or her tasks, in order for our team to be successful. We discuss the importance of making all 3 million guests we host each year, feel as though they have had a grand experience, one that inspires them to come back to the American Airlines Center for another event. I know that working together and celebrating our diversity is the reason for our success.
"Your workplace will be diverse!"
Except for them gays, which NEVER work at the AA Center. Yeah.
He's also on the board of this industry group for facility management, IAAM Foundation.
http://www.iaam.org/Foundation/foundation.htm
Here's a feature story on him in the IAAM magazine, where he is SO enthusiastic about inclusion and the importance of relationships in his work.
http://www.iaam.org/Facility_manager/Pages/2004...
And the kicker in this article -- he grew up in Utah, the Salt Lake Valley, in a little town called Holliday. How about them apples?
http://www.queerty.com/american-airlines-backs-...
And yet the guy who runs the arena with their name is making sure Proposition 8 passes.
A flight from Boston and San Diego on AA was 6 hours
no food, no real entertainment, general feeling of jet being packed in to go somewhere
sorry .. I just couldn't help myself
Flight from Boston to London on BA was 6 hours
2 meals,. a little TV in the back of the seat a head of you - many different entertainment options and the flight was a few dollars less than AA
Just this morning, there is another article in the LA Times which discusses Rick Warren and an email he sent out to his flock. Time for another mailing to the IRS.
I'm also thinking of sending a copy of the complaint to the offending church -- just so they know we're on to them.
http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/?appSession=1...
I am so confused:
http://www.lehman.com/careers/lifeatlehman/empl...
I fantasize of thousands, perhaps millions, boycotting florists, hotels, travel agencies, airlines ,dress shoppes, tux rental stores, horse & carriage rental, car rental, caterers,wedding planners, etc. (One could even suggest an actual boycott of attending or participating with any family or friends wedding)
The impact would be monumental and we could see the same result as happened during the Florida Orange boycott of the 70's or the Coors beer boycott of the 80s. We need to learn and teach the new generation of the power of our selves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Ainge
JK, of course. It's like you could go down the list. Laurence Simmons gave $25,000.
I'm on record against your idea to punish the entire state of Utah for the LDS church's support of this hateful campaign. But this, OTOH, is most certainly change I can believe in. :)
http://www.californiamusicaltheatre.com/index.cfm
wonder how many will cross the picket line to go watch the show, or how many will trun in their tickets/seek a refund ... or how mnay actors will show up
Meanwhile, it really is upsetting to see the YesOn8 supporters - kinda like finding out who really hates you as a gay/lesbian yet they hide behind the Bible or "for the kids" bs explanation.
Meanwhile, has anyone EVER answered the question how a gay marriage affects them or their kids? Seriously.
I doubt that Marc S can 'pull the rights' for anything as he doesn't own them. He has licensed them to a licensing company which determines who can and cannot produce the work. According to his contract he cannot insist that they don't license to a particular theatre unless that theatre intends to make material changes to the piece. I would suspect that most if not all of the actors employed in this theatre are not union members. BYU pumps out hundreds of musical theatre grads whose greatest aspiration is to people the installations at Mousewitcz. These are the kind of performers employed in such a theatre.
Fine to strike back but lets try to make it obey the rules of the real world.
*Unsurprisingly, there's a Jennifer Romney of Belmont (unsure how she's related to Mittens), and Kris Mineau of the so-called Mass. Family "Institute" which from his $100 contrib sounds like a room in his mommy's basement. However, Jon Crutchely, the Manhunt guy who supported McCain then got trashed for that, donated $10,000 against, so he's not all bad, and there are some even larger contributions against from people I've never heard of, so nobody can say that us Bay Staters didn't try!
Enjoy.
Good thing I save my outgoing emails. If you want to tell the staff, from General Manager on down, how you feel about this, just email them:
rlewis@calmt.com, dstuart@calmt.com, mandypeters@calmt.com, cmt@calmt.com, pschachterle@calmt.com, corinne_wihl@calmt.com, stephanie_tabor@calmt.com, natasha_spencer@calmt.com, mshire@calmt.com, mirvine@calmt.com, macias@calmt.com, bking@calmt.com, cbower@calmt.com, cmcswain@calmt.com, mclark@calmt.com, eielati@calmt.com, laura_pardieck@calmt.com, clare_rickman@calmt.com, franchesca_jimenez@calmt.com, claudean_medlock@calmt.com, gfield@calmt.com, billy_biegler@calmt.com, vplata@calmt.com, carrie_stone@calmt.com, sklier@calmt.com, jill_lane@calmt.com, jonathan_sanchez@calmt.com, lmattice@calmt.com, sslocum@calmt.com, michael_hunter@calmt.com, john_lewitzke@calmt.com, subscribers@calmt.com, johnny_avots@calmt.com, joy_eakin@calmt.com, heather_wallace@calmt.com
I'm sure they want community feedback.
I applaud taking action, 100%.
But something about the anger and the zeal doesn't sit right with me. It reminds me of them. I thought we were better than them. I can't see Obama sounding like this.
Again, please be gentle when you tell me why I'm wrong because I truly do back the substance, if not the style.
Publicize, ridicule, educate. All appropriate reactions. Don't go after a guy's job. That isn't liberal. Just because the other side is doing it doesn't make it moral or even useful behavior.
We may be handicapped by our ethics, but that is what makes us who we are.
No job action against bigots. BTW, that doesn't mean no boycotts aimed at getting PUBLIC retraction and then support of the position. Just no actions aimed only at getting someone fired.
rlewis@calmt.com, cvb@fvbe.info, msteiner@hsmlaw.com, liz@safetycenter.org, contact@rs-e.com, judith_davidson@ML.COM, cpacathy@surewest.net
I'm sure they want community input also.
http://www.seeaplay.com/aboutLeagueBoard.htm
"The League of Sacramento Theatres is a nonprofit organization of theatre companies and individual theatre artists established to unite, strengthen and advance theatre in the Sacramento region."
Perhaps the theaters that make up the League might want to know how the community feels about him.
info@actingcompany.org, Actorswork, allen@allensproductions.com, sadams@csus.edu, burlesk@arc.losrios.edu, prd-h@pacbell.net, artandsoulsac@sbcglobal.net, danaccci@sbcglobal.net, kelly@artisticdifferences.net, bbusfield@bstreettheatre.org, kpollard@natomas.k12.ca.us, info@bestofbroadway.org, contact@beyond-pro.org, shannon@bigideatheatre.com, Clasacto, seckern@calmt.com, pomor@csus.edu, boxoffice@capstage.org, jklonow@yahoo.com, celebrationarts@att.net, rhoop@infostations.com, larcuri@rocklin.ca.us, nicholsonjc@comcast.net, hansonl@scc.losrios.edu, crotty@comedysportz.com, beforman@yahoo.com, info@dmtc.org, jeanettecaruso@edmt.info, kfleming@fairytaletown.org, harrisd@flc.losrios.edu, abearson@sanjuan.edu, karyn@foothilltheatre.org, info@garbeaus.com, lisa_lacy@sbcglobal.net, lanny4theater@yahoo.com, betsy@imprinttheatre.org, betsymurray@pacbell.net, boxoffice@lambdaplayers.com, susanmccandless@hotmail.com, Pamspering, charlieactor@sbcglobal.net, newstarcal2@sbcglobal.net, fortinc@crc.losrios.edu, or_theatreboosters@yahoo.com, syntheticunlimited@gmail.com, stevenngregory@yahoo.com, keith.riedell@sbcglobal.net, frank.condon@comcast.net, julie@rocklinyouththeatre.com, DAY983, coach@SacActors.Com, sarta@sarta.com, kunderwood@cityofsacramento.org, broccoliclub@comcast.net, jgilbreath@deltacollege.edu, ellen.difilippo@sanjuan.edu, arsher@comcast.net, atashortrep@hotmail.com, mhunter@sierracollege.edu, mikonpro@sbcglobal.net, jschultz@thestudiotheatre.net, ndhayden@thestudiotheatre.net, dmef1@comcast.net, wsct@hotmail.com, raytatar@calstage.org, winterstheatre@gmail.com, tfearon@rjuhsd.us, wmshakes@afes.com
http://www.zabasearch.com/
http://www.californiamusicaltheatre.com/index.c...
That organization's website lists their board members. He's not listed as being on their board.
http://namt.org/default.aspx?page=Staff%20and%2...
Hmmmm.
Kids, channel your ire over the passage of Prop h8 by protesting, educating the ignorant, and targeting institutions with anti-gay biases (like the LDS), not human beings who may have beliefs that differ from our own. I have worked at California Music Theater MANY times and I will work there again because I am a theater professional and I am treated as such by Soctt Eckern and the entire staff. Let us not 'boycott' a theater that employs a great many people (and a very large number of gay men and lesbians) and that entertains countless people (the GLBT community included) because one of its administrators has been directed by his church to , ahem, protect the 'sanctity of marriage' (egad, that is as ridiculous as can be..but anyhoo)...can't we just decide he is a pitiable slave to his religious convictions, ask that he look again at his decision and perhaps make peace with the folks with whom he works that will suffer the consequences of the legislation. Let us be educators, not punishers. Let us make a difference by raising our voice in support of change not against individuals who, for whatever reason, hang on to their fearful biases.
Going after individuals and thier jobs will not change their opinions or their beliefs about our rights...and such activity is just an ugly mirror of what has happened to our community for way too long...stop the legacy of lashing out! Destructive behavior creates nothing. Focus on the vision of a future of equality and take action accordingly. Protest, yes...but target institutions with policies of hate and tenets of bigotry, not misguided individuals.