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AMERICAblog: New CBC study does, or doesn't, shed light on racism on the Hill

  • Scottsdalian · 4 months ago
    Typically, employers want to see that you have experience doing a particular job. No experience = no job.

    Since blacks have traditionally had an extremely limited role in Congress, how can they show "experience"? If a black congressman hires a disproportionate amount of blacks to staff his offices, isn't that how the blacks will gain the experience necessary to compete for future positions???

    Isn't that how all groups - ethnic, gender, etc. - get their starts in systems???

    I am white...and I have no problem with the blacks hiring the blacks. It's what us white folk have been doing for centuries - hiring our own. Rules should be the same for everybody.
  • NotTimothyGeithner · 4 months ago
    One also has to take a look at the racial make-up of the districts. The staffs are generally just the elevated and expanded old congressional staff. One problem is that a lot of the people in the CBC have been in Congress far too long, but I think this is a symptom of the larger problem of the lack of term limits and racially-tinged gerrymandering.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    I think minority representation is a good thing. I'm wondering how many openly gay staffers work for them? Oh, thats right, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) is not law. Oh well, I guess I should be happy there are tons of closeted self loathing Republicans working against ENDA on the Hill? (chortle.)
  • John Aravosis · 4 months ago
    Actually, civil rights laws always exempt congress. Not clear why.
  • sonofloud · 4 months ago
    really John? you don't know why? ;)
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 4 months ago
    cowboy, we're not considered a minority by the Federal government.

    see, acceptance really has nothing to do with religion at all... the right just doesn't want to consider us a minority, hence all the 'you chose your lifestyle' and 'special rights' bullshit.

    Personally, I think the people on the right are worried that it'll be harder for married repugnican men to find raunchy sex in dimly lit bathrooms all over the country if being gay is accepted.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    I'm with ya on that last paragraph, for sure!
  • smallhandff · 4 months ago
    Disappointed that a check didn't accompany the "apology", the CBC resorts to agitation.
  • John Aravosis · 4 months ago
    To play devil's advocate, we (gays) certainly agitate too :-)
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    Hell ya, and I'm in an agitating mood today!

    I was yesterday, too, but not on the gay front. Some "Scare Private Insurance Group had a television ad asking voters to call congress and complain about "guvment health care." I promptly called my congressmen on their dime to tell them "Government Health Care for ALL and we demand the same health care I've enjoyed in the military, and what congress enjoys!" I hope the Insurance Group enjoys paying for my calls because every time I see their idiot commercial I'm calling.
  • joeinhell · 4 months ago
    Cowboyneok, look up the president of the company's name. Go out to a list of the margin search engines and find out his unlisted home telephone number, call him up at 3 in the morning and scream. This will accomplish a lot more than calling your congressman in his office.

    Re: Calling congressman. Find out where he/she sleeps. Rent a HUGE sound system with BIG speakers, rent a flat bed truck, and wake up your congress critter every morning with someone with a really irritating voice screaming, " single payer you lousy shithead." May not accomplish anything but it will keep him/her from being invited to "sleep over" with his/her boy/girlfriend.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    These are great ideas! ;)
  • Mike_H · 4 months ago
    I don't think these are stats that the CBC should be calling attention to. It certainly adds to the appearance of reverse discrimination.

    One wonders if the Hispanic Congressional Caucus will mention that the African American chairmen are discriminated against Hispanics because there aren't enough hispanic staffers on their committees...
  • rafe · 4 months ago
    For God's sake, there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination." There is only discrimination.
  • caphillprof · 4 months ago
    I've always wondered about federal employment in and about the District of Columbia, which has the appearance of skewing African-American out of disproportion to their position in the country at large and seemingly underrepresenting other constituencies.

    If one were to take a close look at the desegregation of the country, I think we would find that it was disproportionately at the expense of lower and middle class white males and that the upper classes in general suffered little cost or discomfort.
  • flug · 4 months ago
    I wonder to what extent the staff makeup represents the makeup of that particular congressional district.

    In particular, African-American members of Congress are likely to come from heavily African-American Districts, and the congress member likely has a fairly strong incentive to have his or her staff reflect that reality.

    (And in my experience a fairly high percentage of staff have at least some degree of roots in the congressional district they represent--they're not just random people from DC.)
  • timncguy · 4 months ago
    this report is talking about the staff makeup of "committees" and not the staff of a particular representative. Committees do not represent a congressional district.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 4 months ago
    okay... that talks about black staffers.

    considering they're the second largest minority (Hispanic being the first)... how many Hispanic staffers are there? or Asian for that matter?

    when is it going to be kinda racist to actually keep track of the numbers anymore? when are we all just going to be "people"??
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 4 months ago
    I think it would be best to examine the full story here, i.e., what percentage is male, female, black, white, biracial, hispanic, Asian, Jewish, Christian, Moslem, gay, straight, etc etc. All groups need to be counted to get a full picture. Even looks, since it has been said that you have to be good looking to get some jobs.
  • jlassen · 4 months ago
    You are probably aware that the DC Racial spread has a somewhat different proportion of African Americans than the national average. In fact, the same cenus data from 2007 shows that African Americans make up 55% of Washington DC's population. So in fact, those chairmanships which have 40% African American staff are STILL not representative of the population in DC.
  • timncguy · 4 months ago
    congressional committees do not represent DC, they are federal committees that are supposed to be working for and representing the entire country. The racial makeup of DC is irrelevant to this conversation.
  • caphillprof · 4 months ago
    You might also point out that the local commuting distance for the Congress extends into Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvania, none of which are 55% African American.
  • Dateline_Molly · 4 months ago
    Who cares at this point? Nobody in D.C. is competent anyway. Doesn't matter if they are black, white, purple, or green. Let them put on committee anybody they like. They're all corporate crony capitalists, so it doesn't matter anyway.

    We still don't have national health care, single payer college, decent environmental programs, or corporate oversight. That's the shit to be fighting for. If any of those people on those committees is a professed capitalist, why complain about their skin color? Vote them out of office for being corrupt and not working in the best interests of the working class.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 4 months ago
    what about the blue people like stan jones of Montana (a little too much colloidal silver)? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2297471.stm

    then again, his skin color aside, we already have too many elected whackos on the hill (ahem... michelle bachman anyone?).
  • joeinhell · 4 months ago
    Census bureau and CBO seem to be doing OK. Otherwise, fire them and hire unemployed Haitians. I'd rather have a totally illiterate person help me than some shithead that knows the exact rule that says he/she doesn't have to help me.
  • sonofloud · 4 months ago
    If we are going to base every job on maintaining a racial or gender proportion based on the population.....why not say black only or latino only ?
  • joeinhell · 4 months ago
    I am a right wing sexist racist hillbilly from the Ozarks, we have 2 blacks in our county.

    Fair is fair.

    When you cut up the cake at a birthday party, do you cut the girls, the minorities and the homosexuals, a smaller piece?

    Use your head for something besides a hat rack. We are all on this dirt ball spinning through space together, we either live together or the race will die.
  • Drew · 4 months ago
    Given that these are the staffers for the Democratic committee members, not all committee members, the ideal demographics would be closer to those of the Democratic Party than of the nation as a whole, and thus include a larger percentage of people of color, women, etc., than the nation as a whole.
  • joeinhell · 4 months ago
    Now do the same thing for women.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    um ok the congressional black caucus is talking about racism, yes there is but um they might want to look at themselves alswo the congressional BLACK "only" caucus no other minority need apply that in itself is racist.
  • judybrowni · 4 months ago
    Asshole, so 45% is "completely" black?

    Let's see: that means you either flunk middle-school math, or you're a racist.

    Or, more than likely, both.

    You're also having a problem with punctuation, another sign of a middle school drop out, and not surprisingly,ill-educated, pointy-head racists.
  • judybrowni · 4 months ago
    Capitalization, typing and/or spelling are not your forte, either: also the mark of Cain of the racists on the internet.

    But your are making the case for racism = stupidity, so we have to congratulate you on that good work.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    lol my dad who is black thinks your an idiot lol.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    by the way it wasnt me that judged you without knowing you, you judged me and wrongly, so wonder who out of us would be more prone to be a type to judge others. By the way calling me an asshole was bright. Defeated your whole point before it began. Now run along and go judge others but not yourself.
  • cobblepot · 4 months ago
    I think offspring is following the pissy logic of pat buchanan, bill o'reilly, et.al.: The congressional black caucus is inherently racist since you have to be black to get in...

    Jeez loiuse, ya hafta be BLACK TO GET IN????
    And if O'reilly says it's racist...must be.
  • judybrowni · 4 months ago
    Gee, John, this diary sure did bring the white supremacists and racists out of the woodwork, didn't it?

    Maybe the way you've framed the diary, asking "questions" that gave 'em cover.

    Talk about a none-issue: in the (very recent) past white committe chairs (and every other white boss hiring) overhired white employees.

    Black committee chairs are well aware that if they don't give black employees a start in government, no one else will.

    This sounds like as big a flap as the black women reporters covering Michelle.
  • gawky · 4 months ago
    Big, huge, amen to this comment. Maybe it's hard to believe for some of these commenters that these African American men and women aides were actually the most qualified for their jobs and since most well-educated African Americans tend to be underemployed, I wonder how many of them actually surpass the abilities of their (white) bosses.
  • rafe · 4 months ago
    Could it just be that there are so FEW opportunities for African-Americans that CBC members hire more?

    Seriously, John, sometimes your latent racism does flair.
  • Tatts · 4 months ago
    I disagree with the premise of looking at the population as a whole and judging hiring results based on it. Congress does not hire staffers from the entire population. They hire from a subset of the population that has the right qualifications (lawyers, statisticians, etc.), and--this is important--who actually put in an application for the job. So the concept of comparing the country's population to employees is flawed. It may be that there are fewer black people choosing to enter the fields from which Congress needs to hire. It may also be that the black members of Congress know more qualified black candidates because they represent majority black constituencies and are hiring from the people they know in their district.

    Look at it this way--there are very, very few women in the I.T. field, compared to the population. Nothing is keeping them out; they just mostly choose to pursue something different. Can we criticize Congress for having fewer than 50% women on their I.T. staff? No; because they have to hire from a pool of qualified people that isn't 50% female.

    I have put peer-review panels together for state agencies, and while talking to a program director in another state, she commiserated by saying "I know, you need a backward-walking left-handed lesbian to balance the panel, right?" And she was right.

    I'm a member of a large gay political organization in Philly, and our board is, by our rules, 50% male, 50% female. But our membership is overwhelmingly male. Membership is open to all, we recruit at all the gay events in town, but it's mostly men who feel the desire to participate in the political activities and volunteer. I think (if we're setting quotas) that the board should reflect the membership, not the general population. As a result of the rules, the men do all the work, and the few women who are members get a virtually free ride to board membership, qualified or not.

    You do the best you can. I think that the members of Congress want to hire the best people for the job. The far, far more interesting statistic (though equally pointless in the end) would be to see how the hiring represented the makeup of all the people who applied for each position.
  • caphillprof · 4 months ago
    I'm finding it hard to believe that the Congress hires anybody on the basis of merit. That has not been the history of the Congress.

    I'm finding it interesting that we have elected an African American president and white presidents have appointed African Americans as Secretary of State and head of the Joint Chiefs, but no African American has yet to serve as Secretary of the Treasury, or chairman of the Federal Reserve or even Comptroller of the Currency. Something to think about.
  • RyansTake · 4 months ago
    Offices should reflect districts. I'm guessing most offices represented by members of the CBC probably have districts that are at least 50% black. With the way many districts are sliced and diced, some of these districts could have even higher numbers than that.

    I find it very hard to believe there are many districts in this country which are less than 3% black. I'm sure there are many less than 10%, but not less than 3%. So, I tend to think this CBC report has a point.

    I wonder what the percentage is for Hispanics in offices?
  • Tatts · 4 months ago
    RyansTake: Why should it reflect the district? If a congressman needs a person with certain skills, they hire from a pool of people with those skills, not from the district in general. Especially in the case of specialists (lawyers, accountants, analysts, etc.), the pickings may be very slim, particularly in rural areas.

    I find it interesting that the CBC study (at least as reported in CQ Politics) makes no mention of gender balance. That in itself seems hypocritical of them. Nor does it mention Hispanics or Asians. Why not? Should we be balancing for them too? Does the CBC think so?
  • RyansTake · 4 months ago
    BS. There's plenty of people from every race, ethnicity, etc. etc. etc. that have the skills to do what's necessary in a congressional or senate office. No one's building nuclear reactors, for heaven's sake.

    Generally, offices should reflect the district, because these are people who know how to interact with constituents at home. In essence, an office that reflects your district is the best office for your district. Otherwise, you have people calling your office and the aide picking up the phone doesn't understand their issues, or can't speak well with them... which means you're going to have to learn how to do these things, which generally can't happen without personal experience. I'm sorry, but that person is not the right person for your congressional office.

    These are extremely important factors in determining who's most qualified for a position... you could be a magna cum laude Harvard Grad applying to my office, with campaign experience up the ying-yang, and I wouldn't necessarily hire you if what I needed was someone who understood and could relate to issues surrounding the inner-city populace within my district, grasping with high rates of violence, horrible schools and few good jobs. Someone who grew up around that may be a helluva lot more likely to help my constituents out.
  • Tatts · 4 months ago
    Aargh! That's not what this is about! It's not about the representatives' offices, it's specifically about COMMITTEE STAFF. That's a completely different thing! It's about hiring people to support congressional committees. C'mon.

    These are the people who have specialized knowledge of the area that the committee deals with, as well as the existing regulations. These are the people who, to a large degree, actually write the laws. You can't just pull people off the street and have them work for a committee!