Bitter? Why be bitter? I'm stuck teaching English in Asia because I can't find a job in my old field at home because H1B visas are being handed out like candy on Halloween to Corporations. Meanwhile Oil stand to cost $100 a barrel more than it was in 2000, the dollar stands a chance to go as low as 1/4th its value in 2000 against the Euro, the country's in debt, it's stuck in a strategic quagmire in Iraq that has cost us over a trillion dollars, for a nation with a GNP of only 52 billion in 2002, thousands of lives lost, maimed, wounded, for no strategic gain (unless you're Iran), while the nations prestige has plummeted under the weight of unwarranted offensive warfare and torture, meanwhile jobs keep moving over seas, while Wall Street Hedgefund managers (of which Chelsea Clinton is one of) make billions of dollars and get bailouts.
And Hillary want's us to think it's morning in America? Fuck that noise. I'm bitter. Very bitter.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Indeed, regardless of the spin, Clinton needs a very convincing win in Pennsylvania to stave off the ever-increasing pressure to concede. I suppose there's still an outside chance she'll get close to 20% in PA, but it looks doubtful.
Jimbo62
· 1 year ago
On Keith's show last night he replayed comments by Hillary Clinton about her outrage over Obama's remarks.....the bitter ones. She was so outraged that she had to keep referring to her notes. I think THAT is a big story. She can't even be outraged without scripting it. I kept wondering why she had to look down at her notes if she was so outraged. Is she not capable of speaking her mind without looking at notes. This is evidence that this is a trumped up outrage. Someone should point this out to the public. She does it all the time, if she is so smart and articulate, why the notes on supposedly personal outrage?
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I agree, but I thought she was looking down because she was SO ASHAMED of herself. The crowd was booing her, and when she tried to put words in their mouth that they were angry at Obama, they all screamed, "Nooooooo!"
It was funny to watch.
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
Please Pennsylvanians, let's bring this to a close!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I don't trust polls anymore, not after the Kerry/Bush fiasco, but I hope these polls showing Clinton with a narrow lead are true. Even better would be one in which they are tied. I would like Obama to win, but I don't that is possible. What I hope is possible is she wins by only a slim margain thus showing the superdelegates that she is NOT as influential as she would have them believe. Of course, if that happens the Clinton ( and to be fair, Obama) campaign is now saying Indiana is the crucial state. It gets tiring watching the goal posts being moved with each and every primary.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Yes, Pennsylvania.... Hillary has politicized and spun you all to death with Obama's comments. He has addressed them and put them to rest.
Look at the facts:
Hillary ran around supporting NAFTA, now she opposes it. Is that IN TOUCH with voters?
Look at her new ad showing people feigning outrage at his comments. Come on, Eight years of Bush is bound to make anyone bitter for god sake. I know I am pissed. And frankly if you are not, then you don't have a pulse.
Stop being played by the Clinton spin machine who is systematically destroying the democratic party. Nice one Hill.
Let's go Pennsylvania....vote Obama and get it over with, so we can focus on what a bood McBush is.
jr
· 1 year ago
"I'm from Scranton. Obama wants to steal your hubcaps"-Hillary
grandma
· 1 year ago
Sullivan on the new Clinton ad:
This ad has managed to actually shock me. Yes, me, rabid Clinton-hater, second only to Hitchens in Clinton Derangement Syndrome, proud holder of the view that Senator Clinton is one of the ghastliest examples of pure political cynicism and opportunism in public life, an empty, reverberating shell of a human being, a case study in how power and the search for it do indeed in the end corrupt absolutely.
This is far too crude even for Karl Rove. It is a parody of a brutal Rove ad. Without batting an eyelid, Clinton effortlessly adopts the entire worldview of the most cynical of Republican operatives and applies it with the delicacy of a shovel to the likely Democratic party nominee. This is a) how desperate she must know feel; b) how utterly irrelevant it is to her what happens in this election unless she is the next Democratic nominee for president
Yes, I feel the same way. I was shocked too. I think it is so bad it will backfire on her. It's so poorly produced it looks like a parody of a political ad from Saturday night live. It's hideous. Far worse than any poor word choice Obama may have used in a speech two weeks ago. Far worse.
Is she working for the McBush campaign?
grandma
· 1 year ago
I agree with c'mon Pennsylvania.....get this thing over with....
I think outright disgust with her tactics is turning more and more people away from her...
Belinda
· 1 year ago
Billary's own people had egotistically predicted she would win by 25+ percentage points. Anything less than that is going to be a devastating loss for her. Through my business I have many associates in Pennsylvania and they are telling me that there is a decidedly anti-Hillary buzz. She has lied and connived too much and most people are fed up with her corrupt ways.
How many of these were republicans? I work with 4 repubs who switched their registration just for this (they plan on voting for Hillary). They have no intention of voting for her this fall. Will they give her an artificial "blow out" thereby convincing everyone that she is a stronger canidate than she really is?
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
I don't think the repubs view Obama as as much threat as he was, so I don't think this switch over stuff will have any affect.
Belinda
· 1 year ago
Mark: "I don't think the repubs view Obama as as much threat as he was"
I have to disagree. Since early last year the Republicans were clearly more afraid of Obama and preferred to face Hillary in November. Matt Drudge confirmed it last night from the McCain campaign. That's why for at least the last eight months the top GOP web sites (Drudge, FreeRepublic, Instapundit, Ace of Spades) have been all but silent on Billary and attacking Obama 24/7. The GOP got so desperate that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter even endorsed Hillary. So it's been clear for a long time that the Republicans see Hillary as the easiest to defeat.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
One thing about these polls: They are not taking into account new registered young voters. They showing up in record numbers in Pennsylvania. Record numbers. And my guess is Hillary's politics as usual is not the driving force to bringing them into the fold. Plus I doubt these polls hit the minority neigborhoods as fairly and evenly as they should.
I would not take too much stock in these polls.
Besides, I am confident Obama will evicerate Miss Oakley in tomorrow nights debate when confronted with the truth and forced to defend her Karl Rove like tactics.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Something isn't working right with 'points'...I have tried giving 'points' to a few of the posters here but it's not working....or it subtracts.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Grandma, I've kind of given up on the "points"... seems like no matter what I say or how politely or reasonably I say it, there are people who vote me very negative.
paulko
· 1 year ago
I just saw this ad and again I will repeat this has fueled me to work harder for Obama. I have convinced several Hillary supporters to switch, it is pretty easy these days! Put an end to Karl Klinton.......vote OBAMA!
grandma
· 1 year ago
Good for you paulko....I don't know any Hillary supporters personally..... Except for a few die hard Republicans....everyone I know is for Obama.
G OOOOOOOO Bama !!!
Left of the Hill
· 1 year ago
I think the realistic number right now would be about a 7 point victory for Clinton. That's a far reach from the 20 or so point lead she was relying upon to convince the superdelegates that they should overturn the will of the people and support her candidacy.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Here one for you grandma.
Obama is so popular in the greater philly area that his signs are selling for $10 a pop.....and they can't keep up with demand. People are making their own.
This matters a lot because approximately 50 % of the PA dems are situated in the vicinity of Philly.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Plus I imagine these polls are not counting new wave of registered voters...most of whom are likely Obama voters.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
What's the matter with Pennsylvania? How is this state representative of the American people? I don't know any Hillary supporters anymore. Even my daughters want her to leave the race, and they were big time supporters a couple months ago. Hillary's back stabbing Obama, and her buddying up to McCain has cooked her goose with the supporters she used to have.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Karol:
You are so right. I used to be VERY neutral in this race. Hillary has totally turned me off. I will admit, I was angry at Bill Clinton for his attaching himself at the hip of the Bush family, but I gave HIllary the benefit of the doubt until she showed what a public chameleon she could be in order to get an edge. The Clintons have come across as having zero principals, and willing to do anything including trying to employ Karl Rove tactics to win the nomination. I've lost all respect for her.
grandma
· 1 year ago
firebrand.
That is good news !!!!
Arlyn Specter was on CNN Sunday morning....when asked who he thought would win in PA......he said "Obama".
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Bill Clinton has touring in this area of PA and the turnout is much lighter than one would expect....for an ex prez.
I guess hes pissed a lot of people off.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
"I'm from Scranton. Obama wants to steal your hubcaps"-Hillary
Gee Hitlery, my family is too and we all want you to leave town ...now carpet bagger!!!!!.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
hey firebrand,
My god, you seem "bitter" this morning. Put some sugar in your lemonade! LOL
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
What a disgusting morning (only a nice spring day helps)!
I'm also fuming about the millions being spent on the head of a theocracy by the Federal govt (and NY as well). Separation of church and state? Not when the pope visits, anyway.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I just knew all that noise from Hillary and McCain about people NOT being bitter was going to blow back on their asses! If you notice, the blogosphere saw it coming first. The mainstream media $5 million dollar a year crowd didn't see it. They are STILL acting all offended that the rest of us are BITTER, very BITTER. They are busy trying to explain the nuances of what Obama said, which we all agree was very clumsy. But nuance doesn't resonate. Chris Matthews and friends, the $5 million dollar crowd, really thought it would resonate because THEY aren't bitter. Heck, they want another tax cut! The blogosphere got it right, and the mainstream $5 million per year crowd, is still trying to catch up.
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
PRESIDENT OBAMA STRIKES BACK and DESTROYS HILARY"S BASE
The only point I will concede to Eric is that the mainstream media, or Chris Matthews $5 million dollar per year crowd, will still be giving Hillary an even shot of winning if she doesn't trounce Obama in Pennsylvania. They have a financial vested interest in drawing out this contest and calling it a horse race. They WANT Democrats to fight all the way to the convention. They WANT Democrats to lose. They WANT those Republican Mr. McGoo tax cuts for Paris Hilton and $5 million dollar per year crowd to continue ad infinitum. It is why they have done a lot of Hillary's work in trying to make the whole "bitter" voters a major issue for her right before the vote.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Hey Nigel .....:-)
I guess I've been listening to Hitlerys "I am the Queen " tone too much this year.
And .... Its April 15th dude. Time to pay for the wars, the department of homeland security, FEMA, the NSA....etc etc etc.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
WOW! Nice attempt to fudge the issue with a personal attack -- BRAVO!
I followed your link, and it shows the results of the latest polls. But nowhere does it support your statement that Hilary needs to beat Obama by 20 points to beat expectations.
Yes, it indicates that Hilary had a very wide lead in the past, and a narrow lead now. But it has no information that I see on whether or not Hilary needs to win by 20 points to beat expectations. If this is the only support you have for the statement, then you have an unsupported statement.
In fact, what you have is "spin," which I define as an interpretation of data designed to support an argument (as opposed to sharing information without a partisan filter).
As for whether or not I'm supporting Hilary's spin, I have absolutely no connection to her or her campaign. I speak my own opinions as an active member of the blogosphere. I sign my posts with my full name; I'm not hiding behind a screen name and I'm not a secret campaign operative. I'm just a guy who's watching the Democratic party make the same mistakes it made in 2000 and 2004, like a train wreck moving in slow motion, and wants to try to stop it.
And I've said many times, I have a lot of issues with Hilary's campaigns and policies, just as I do with Barack's.
In truth, if I'm a partisan for any entity it is for the integrity of Americablog itself. I started my journey with John Avravosis in the days of stopdrlaura.com; I have been a faithful reader ever since. But this blog has become little more than an Obama shill these past few months. Any mud that can be thrown at a Clinton is thrown. Every pass that can be given to Obama is given. No mention of Obama's alleged reluctance to speak with the gay press.
This campaign will end one day; and on that day Americablog will want to return to its identity. And by challenging this mindless, unquestioning devotion to Barack Obama and these mind-numbingly tedious and petty attacks against the Clintons which have become the mainstay of the posts here, I am making an attempt to preserve for the post-election future the community I have come to love.
And an attempt to wake a few people up.
Thanks for reading and responding.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
From what source do you draw the statement that Hilary needs to beat Barack by 20 points to beat expectations? Do you stop and read your own writing -- polls say the race is maybe 5 points but she is still expected to win by 20 points?
Barack is outspending Hilary 3-1 in PA, and spending a lot of time there as well, because he knows he needs a win in PA in order to keep this race from going to the convention. And if he can't knock Hilary out and win PA after spending that much time and that much more money, I don't think people will be talking about Hilary's failure.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Eric asks:
"From what source do you draw the statement that Hilary needs to beat Barack by 20 points to beat expectations? Do you stop and read your own writing -- polls say the race is maybe 5 points but she is still expected to win by 20 points?"
Since Eric is here representing Hillary's spin, let's look at the sources i rely on to say that for the past 18 months Hillary has had a nearly 20 point lead in the polls in PA, and thus it's not an upset unless she beats the 20 point margin. My source? The polls themselves. Have a look:
WOW! Nice attempt to fudge the issue with a personal attack -- BRAVO!
I followed your link, and it shows the results of the latest polls. But nowhere does it support your statement that Hilary needs to beat Obama by 20 points to beat expectations.
Yes, it indicates that Hilary had a very wide lead in the past, and a narrow lead now. But it has no information that I see on whether or not Hilary needs to win by 20 points to beat expectations. If this is the only support you have for the statement, then you have an unsupported statement.
In fact, what you have is "spin," which I define as an interpretation of data designed to support an argument (as opposed to sharing information without a partisan filter).
As for whether or not I'm supporting Hilary's spin, I have absolutely no connection to her or her campaign. I speak my own opinions as an active member of the blogosphere. I sign my posts with my full name; I'm not hiding behind a screen name and I'm not a secret campaign operative. I'm just a guy who's watching the Democratic party make the same mistakes it made in 2000 and 2004, like a train wreck moving in slow motion, and wants to try to stop it.
And I've said many times, I have a lot of issues with Hilary's campaigns and policies, just as I do with Barack's.
In truth, if I'm a partisan for any entity it is for the integrity of Americablog itself. I started my journey with John Avravosis in the days of stopdrlaura.com; I have been a faithful reader ever since. But this blog has become little more than an Obama shill these past few months. Any mud that can be thrown at a Clinton is thrown. Every pass that can be given to Obama is given. No mention of Obama's alleged reluctance to speak with the gay press.
This campaign will end one day; and on that day Americablog will want to return to its identity. And by challenging this mindless, unquestioning devotion to Barack Obama and these mind-numbingly tedious and petty attacks against the Clintons which have become the mainstay of the posts here, I am making an attempt to preserve for the post-election future the community I have come to love.
And an attempt to wake a few people up.
Thanks for reading and responding.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Eric, Eric, Eric... calm down. She truly DOES have to win by about 20 points. There is a reason Obama CAN spend 3-1 and that is because there is enough support which translates into financial support. The only thing Hillary has left is an argument she is more electable in the fall. That means she has to TROUNCE Obama in Pennsylvania, and we are just not seeing that happen.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
I'm perfectly calm, thanks.
Again, these are statements of opinion. My opinion is that if Obama outspends Hilary 3-1 in Pennsylvania, and spends a lot of time in Pennsylvania, and does not beat Hilary, then this nomination fight goes to the convention. And my understanding is that I'm not the only person who holds this opinion.
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And Hillary want's us to think it's morning in America? Fuck that noise. I'm bitter. Very bitter.
It was funny to watch.
Look at the facts:
Hillary ran around supporting NAFTA, now she opposes it. Is that IN TOUCH with voters?
Look at her new ad showing people feigning outrage at his comments. Come on, Eight years of Bush is bound to make anyone bitter for god sake. I know I am pissed. And frankly if you are not, then you don't have a pulse.
Stop being played by the Clinton spin machine who is systematically destroying the democratic party. Nice one Hill.
Let's go Pennsylvania....vote Obama and get it over with, so we can focus on what a bood McBush is.
This ad has managed to actually shock me. Yes, me, rabid Clinton-hater, second only to Hitchens in Clinton Derangement Syndrome, proud holder of the view that Senator Clinton is one of the ghastliest examples of pure political cynicism and opportunism in public life, an empty, reverberating shell of a human being, a case study in how power and the search for it do indeed in the end corrupt absolutely.
This is far too crude even for Karl Rove. It is a parody of a brutal Rove ad. Without batting an eyelid, Clinton effortlessly adopts the entire worldview of the most cynical of Republican operatives and applies it with the delicacy of a shovel to the likely Democratic party nominee. This is a) how desperate she must know feel; b) how utterly irrelevant it is to her what happens in this election unless she is the next Democratic nominee for president
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
Is she working for the McBush campaign?
I think outright disgust with her tactics is turning more and more people away from her...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/n...
How many of these were republicans? I work with 4 repubs who switched their registration just for this (they plan on voting for Hillary). They have no intention of voting for her this fall. Will they give her an artificial "blow out" thereby convincing everyone that she is a stronger canidate than she really is?
I have to disagree. Since early last year the Republicans were clearly more afraid of Obama and preferred to face Hillary in November. Matt Drudge confirmed it last night from the McCain campaign. That's why for at least the last eight months the top GOP web sites (Drudge, FreeRepublic, Instapundit, Ace of Spades) have been all but silent on Billary and attacking Obama 24/7. The GOP got so desperate that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter even endorsed Hillary. So it's been clear for a long time that the Republicans see Hillary as the easiest to defeat.
I would not take too much stock in these polls.
Besides, I am confident Obama will evicerate Miss Oakley in tomorrow nights debate when confronted with the truth and forced to defend her Karl Rove like tactics.
Put an end to Karl Klinton.......vote OBAMA!
Except for a few die hard Republicans....everyone I know is for Obama.
G OOOOOOOO Bama !!!
Obama is so popular in the greater philly area that his signs are selling for $10 a pop.....and they can't keep up with demand. People are making their own.
This matters a lot because approximately 50 % of the PA dems are situated in the vicinity of Philly.
Hillary's back stabbing Obama, and her buddying up to McCain has cooked her goose with the supporters she used to have.
You are so right. I used to be VERY neutral in this race. Hillary has totally turned me off. I will admit, I was angry at Bill Clinton for his attaching himself at the hip of the Bush family, but I gave HIllary the benefit of the doubt until she showed what a public chameleon she could be in order to get an edge. The Clintons have come across as having zero principals, and willing to do anything including trying to employ Karl Rove tactics to win the nomination. I've lost all respect for her.
That is good news !!!!
Arlyn Specter was on CNN Sunday morning....when asked who he thought would win in PA......he said "Obama".
I guess hes pissed a lot of people off.
Gee Hitlery, my family is too and we all want you to leave town ...now carpet bagger!!!!!.
My god, you seem "bitter" this morning. Put some sugar in your lemonade! LOL
I'm also fuming about the millions being spent on the head of a theocracy by the Federal govt (and NY as well). Separation of church and state? Not when the pope visits, anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2UkRSUoPo&eurl
I guess I've been listening to Hitlerys "I am the Queen " tone too much this year.
And .... Its April 15th dude. Time to pay for the wars, the department of homeland security, FEMA, the NSA....etc etc etc.
I followed your link, and it shows the results of the latest polls. But nowhere does it support your statement that Hilary needs to beat Obama by 20 points to beat expectations.
Yes, it indicates that Hilary had a very wide lead in the past, and a narrow lead now. But it has no information that I see on whether or not Hilary needs to win by 20 points to beat expectations. If this is the only support you have for the statement, then you have an unsupported statement.
In fact, what you have is "spin," which I define as an interpretation of data designed to support an argument (as opposed to sharing information without a partisan filter).
As for whether or not I'm supporting Hilary's spin, I have absolutely no connection to her or her campaign. I speak my own opinions as an active member of the blogosphere. I sign my posts with my full name; I'm not hiding behind a screen name and I'm not a secret campaign operative. I'm just a guy who's watching the Democratic party make the same mistakes it made in 2000 and 2004, like a train wreck moving in slow motion, and wants to try to stop it.
And I've said many times, I have a lot of issues with Hilary's campaigns and policies, just as I do with Barack's.
In truth, if I'm a partisan for any entity it is for the integrity of Americablog itself. I started my journey with John Avravosis in the days of stopdrlaura.com; I have been a faithful reader ever since. But this blog has become little more than an Obama shill these past few months. Any mud that can be thrown at a Clinton is thrown. Every pass that can be given to Obama is given. No mention of Obama's alleged reluctance to speak with the gay press.
This campaign will end one day; and on that day Americablog will want to return to its identity. And by challenging this mindless, unquestioning devotion to Barack Obama and these mind-numbingly tedious and petty attacks against the Clintons which have become the mainstay of the posts here, I am making an attempt to preserve for the post-election future the community I have come to love.
And an attempt to wake a few people up.
Thanks for reading and responding.
Barack is outspending Hilary 3-1 in PA, and spending a lot of time there as well, because he knows he needs a win in PA in order to keep this race from going to the convention. And if he can't knock Hilary out and win PA after spending that much time and that much more money, I don't think people will be talking about Hilary's failure.
"From what source do you draw the statement that Hilary needs to beat Barack by 20 points to beat expectations? Do you stop and read your own writing -- polls say the race is maybe 5 points but she is still expected to win by 20 points?"
Since Eric is here representing Hillary's spin, let's look at the sources i rely on to say that for the past 18 months Hillary has had a nearly 20 point lead in the polls in PA, and thus it's not an upset unless she beats the 20 point margin. My source? The polls themselves. Have a look:
http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
I followed your link, and it shows the results of the latest polls. But nowhere does it support your statement that Hilary needs to beat Obama by 20 points to beat expectations.
Yes, it indicates that Hilary had a very wide lead in the past, and a narrow lead now. But it has no information that I see on whether or not Hilary needs to win by 20 points to beat expectations. If this is the only support you have for the statement, then you have an unsupported statement.
In fact, what you have is "spin," which I define as an interpretation of data designed to support an argument (as opposed to sharing information without a partisan filter).
As for whether or not I'm supporting Hilary's spin, I have absolutely no connection to her or her campaign. I speak my own opinions as an active member of the blogosphere. I sign my posts with my full name; I'm not hiding behind a screen name and I'm not a secret campaign operative. I'm just a guy who's watching the Democratic party make the same mistakes it made in 2000 and 2004, like a train wreck moving in slow motion, and wants to try to stop it.
And I've said many times, I have a lot of issues with Hilary's campaigns and policies, just as I do with Barack's.
In truth, if I'm a partisan for any entity it is for the integrity of Americablog itself. I started my journey with John Avravosis in the days of stopdrlaura.com; I have been a faithful reader ever since. But this blog has become little more than an Obama shill these past few months. Any mud that can be thrown at a Clinton is thrown. Every pass that can be given to Obama is given. No mention of Obama's alleged reluctance to speak with the gay press.
This campaign will end one day; and on that day Americablog will want to return to its identity. And by challenging this mindless, unquestioning devotion to Barack Obama and these mind-numbingly tedious and petty attacks against the Clintons which have become the mainstay of the posts here, I am making an attempt to preserve for the post-election future the community I have come to love.
And an attempt to wake a few people up.
Thanks for reading and responding.
Again, these are statements of opinion. My opinion is that if Obama outspends Hilary 3-1 in Pennsylvania, and spends a lot of time in Pennsylvania, and does not beat Hilary, then this nomination fight goes to the convention. And my understanding is that I'm not the only person who holds this opinion.