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If a person does not support marriage equality thenthey are part of the problem. Sadly in the US no one can win the Presidency and not eschew bigoted tripe against us. The US is a joke, the country has yet to sign the UN Resolution decriminalizing being gay. The Land of the free and equal should have caveats, except if you aren't straight, white and Christian.
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LGBT want to commit in Loving relationships,and thats not good enough either....this Bloviated Fat Fuck disgusts me.....I wanna see his 100 gay friends...where are they? Who are they? Come foreward..reveal yourselves! ...and this Fat Gluttonous bastard says......EVEN IF it's known to be biological FACT that LGBT people are born that way - we shoudl force ourselves to be hetero for Jesus? Huh????? Well I'm sickened......lets just get past this asshole...and those attending the Inaugeration who disagree with him --- Turn your backs on him when he speaks in protest. ..NO YELLING/NO SIGNS/sometimes silence is Golden.
Jeebus, what a tool. Oh, and does anyone else suspect that sweaty, pasty troglodyte Rick Warren doesn't sleep with "every beautiful woman" he sees not through strength of will, but rather because he is a sweaty and pasty troglodyte?
Did he underestimate the reaction from the gays?
Did he underestimate the reaction the press would take?
Did he think many more Americans would support him because of this choice for his inauguration?
Is he kidding? Face it -- the vast majority of Americans don't care. They have their own problems, which trump everything else. (Even voting for a BLACK MAN.) Then there are the RW nuts (love Warren) and the Left, who despise him. Obama has to think one of two ways: That gays will still support him -- after all, where else can they go? OR There are many more right-wing nuts than gays.
He is wrong on both counts, I'd guess.
I'm not a Christian and I'm gay, but, living in NC, I did have a grudging respect for Billy Graham.
His ministry was really centered around your personal relationship with God. It wasn't about condemning what other people do or how other people believe. It was also not about politics, at least publicly.
Warren's really no different from Falwell or Dobson, except that it's wrapped up in some trite "bullet point" theology that's more like a bad self-help book than spirituality. Have you read this guy's crap?
His views on Gays are abhorrent. His book, however, is insulting in its banality, like Tony Robbins with Bible verses.
This is the best that the new administration could come up with?
Obama seems to be looking at the sales of Warren's book as an indication of his "influence".
I cannot simply set aside Mr. Warren's obvious eating disorder, as America's bathes in the shallow baptismal waters of the poorly researched sensualist's latest PR gambit.
Hate is still hate even when accompanied with salesman-like faux bonhomie.
I'd like to see footage of Rick bellying up to a buffet table or diving onto partially stale green room donuts as the gentleman seems beset with a desire for multiple food partners.
PS--Joe and Mikkka think us queers are hypocritical and Joe would love to have a homo on his little closed circuit teevee program except all homos just scream and cannot sit and talk rationally (oddly, also a show disqualifier if I'm any judge of content).
Pastor Rick's abstention from sexual gratification with every beautiful woman he sees is not the abstention from sex he demands of homosexuals.
I'm tempted to cancel my plans to attend the Inauguration over this Warren blowhard, but I will suck it up and be there in spite of my anger. Wondering if Americablog might have plans for a social during the week? Perhaps we can band together to throw donuts at Warren when he gives the Invocation?
Come on cristal meth!
Maybe the governor will give her a pardon.
What would an audience do if a racists took to the stage and made comments that were incindiary and an affront to the gains racial minorities have made, especially when stereotypes that can be just as applicable to white people are being promoted as exclusive to the minority being bashed?
Is Warrens invitation one to promote unifying the nation through better understanding of each other, or was he chosen to let the far right believe they can continue to demonize homosexuals with stereotypes and fear mongering?
Where is Larry Flint when we need him? These damn right wing bastards always project their crimes on us. Has anyone checked on how often Warren indulgues in extra-marital sex? Been my experience in the fundamentalist churches that their pastors are randy bastards. No, the kid is not the postman's.
Larry Flint? Larry Flint? Calling Larry Flint? Where are you?
New York and San Fran need to start the NDP, New Democratic Party that forces left policies to pass. Without it you are still going to get "Warrened" every time.
We give them DEMS our votes every time and get nothing in return, why should we dare to expect them to do a damn thing for us when we don't demand it from them?
To our gay brothers and sisters I would say that this is NO time to be happy with staying on the back of the bus, while waiting for Warren and his ilk to come to there senses. This is THE TIME to fight back relentlessly. Did we learn nothing during the Reagan years as so many of us were left to DIE because people like Warren believed that we deserved it, that AIDS was gawd's revenge? If these people are given even one inch it will be used against us all over again.
We stand and fight or we lose everything. Silence = Death. Physical death, death of our marriages, death of any and all of our hard won civil rights, few that they are.
If Obama is going to champion Warren, we have an even greater problem and must hold Obama responsible for his inaction and embracing the bigots who would and will do us great harm.
Fight now! Or be prepared to lose it all.
Haven't we lost enough already to the bigots, homophobes and the ignorant jesus-squeezers? I am not ready to give one inch of the progress we have made. Are we willing to fight for what's right or just surrender and hope it all works out?
Delayed gratification? Delayed until when? Forever?
Asshole.
And don't even get me started about people with cancer!
But, nonetheless, he did like to use Little Bone-apart.
All gay aside, a right wing fundie in such a major slot after the utter and complete failure of the winger fundie-packed Decider Interregnum is a mistake.
I'm so thoroughly disgusted with Obama. After working tirelessly in support of his candidacy this is the reward. He and Warren shouldn't be so worried about how many people I'm sleeping with. A bigger concern for Obama is that I'm not firmly outside his tent in search of a leader with whom I can connect.
As I noted above, in my experience with these fundamentalist type pastors, they exploit their position as leaders of a congregation to indulge in much, much extra-marital sex. Get Larry Flint to do an investigation of this bastard. Most of those on the right are hellfire and brimstone on the extra marital sex of others, but think they are thereby fooling others about their own activities. Once you get wise to this, you find all those fundie preachers are the same hypocrites.
Oh, and I'm still waiting to see who gets to represent the anti-semites and the racists on stage at the inauguration -- all in the name of dialogue and brotherly love, mind you.
Will there be nationwide demonstrations re Warren? Count me in.
If any 'pastor' (should be 'predator') out there cannot change their views if it is PROVEN that gay is biological, then the rhetoric and fear-mongering is no longer about aspiring to being a 'good christian.'
I can't believe that I found someone who could put up with me for all these years. :)
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Toodles. It's Friday. I'm off to go find multiple sex partners for tonight........
I pray (Hah!) that there's not a Rick Warren in this kid's life, and that his parents (who are now just coming to terms with this) do right by him.
Either way, Obama has some 'splainin' to do. This is such a horrible choice. Sen. Feinstein has gone on record saying the choice was made without her input. Such a shame. Such a shame.
And as for Warren, there are a couple of things you cannot overcome and one of them is willful ignorance.
Not really. They are just as pissed with Warren for accepting the invite.
Warren flips the discussion to wanting multiple sex partners...
WTF?
Oh, and beautiful women everywhere be warned: next time you find Pastor Rick gazing at you longingly, it's not your soul he's contemplating.
Praise Jesus! And the Great Gazoo!
Gays want multiple sexual partners. Yet, gays are demanding to settle down with one person via marriage.
Or that sex is dirty, filthy and disgusting -- and should be saved for someone we really love.
Or that God loves us beyond measure, but sets traps for us so we can burn in hell forever.
That was brilliant!
Can I quote you some time?
Like, "those 'nigras' fighting for the right to vote are just trying to destroy democracy"
or more recently hearing EVANGELICAL fundamentalist Christians who train their kids from the cradle, send them off to sunday school every week and vacation bible school every summer, put them through catecism classes (or what ever the protestant version is), send them to Christian schools or home school them, send them off to knock on doors "spreading the word" or send them as missionaries to other countries to "convert the unsaved" repeating the crazy bogus meme that gay people "recruit" children and adults to their way of life and that gay people shove their opinions and their lifestyle down other people's throats.
As a person who grew up Southern Baptist in rural Mississippi and happens to be gay, I can assure you that I was tirelessly recruited to be two things from the moment I was born and throughout my whole life; Christian (particularly fundamentalist Christian) and Straight. NEVER was I recruited to be gay.
that's my gaydar alarm going off
that's the first time I've heard the bigot speak and the way he talks about homosexuality and how he wants to make love to 'every beautiful women I see' certainly sounds like he's trying to cover up his own feelings. truly liberated hetero men (like myself) don't need to justify their own sexuality when talking to/about gays. you either is or you ain't and if you is then who the frick cares and if you ain't...who cares
anytime I hear some guy talk about gays and try to mask it up with a 'being attracted to women' comment then I know his feelings stem from some insecurity deep inside that is just screaming to come out of the closet
I'll make a bet here and now that in '09 we'll see pastor rick involved in some sort of gay for pay sex scandal ala ted haggard
that multiple sex partners comment sounded more like his own fantasy for a weekend in laguna with some of his more buff alter boys
oh yeah, he's a closet case.
Is there another pastor speaking at the inauguration that we should know about?
Out of one side of their mouths they complain that they are promiscuous, they want multiple partners and they're not willing or capable of having the stable, committed family life that is, according to them "instinctive" to heterosexuals (forgetting for a moment heterosexual promiscuity, adultery and divorce).
Then out of the other side of their mouths they are OUTRAGED that they would dare ask to be given the right to partake in the VERY civil, cultural, familial, religious, societal institution that has practically FORCED them into this "instinctive" way of life and has been the foundation of their healthy relationships and family health for thousands of years; in spite of THEIR efforts to destroy the institution over the years.
They also NEVER consider just how damaged most gay people are by the time they reach adulthood after having endured their most formative years seeing homophobia and anti-gay hate from EVERY segment of society INCLUDING those for whom they have the most respect; parents, siblings, other family members, friends, neighbors, pastors, Senators, Representatives, Presidents, strangers on the street, movies, TV, radio; a CONSTANT bombardment telling them that people like them are disgusting, perverted, worthy of violence and death, to be ridiculed, scorned and outcast. Having everyone assuming they're straight and trying to shoe horn them into a heteronormative life. Telling them that they'll one day grow up to marry the woman/man of their dreams and live happily ever after but NEVER telling us them that that person of their dreams that they will marry could be a person of the same-sex. They send them off to "reorientation" camps to try to fix something that doesn't need fixing and to change something that doesn't need changing and when it fails it leaves them feeling all the more like a failure at life and a perverted outcast from society. They push them into sham marriages where they are living a lie and feeling guilty about what their doing to their spouse but then they are berated and shamed by the very same people who pushed them into the marriage when they finally decide that they can no longer live if they can't live true to their nature. Then they grow up to have major psychological problems, sex addictions, drug/alcohol addictions and feelings of self hate and insecurity and people point and say, "SEE, HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN UNSTABLE AND UNHAPPY WAY OF LIFE".
Homosexuality isn't the cause of our problems HOMOPHOBIA IS! If we spent on tenth the time and energy trying to "reorient" homophobia, hate, ignorance and bigotry (ALL of which ARE changeable) as we do trying to reorient people's natural orientation (which is NOT possible) THAT would be a worthwhile endeavor. If we gave gay people ALL the same hopes and dreams, rights and privileges, access and responsibilities, support and encouragement that we give straight people from the cradle to the grave and if we stop assuming that ALL children are straight, and/or gender conforming, and raising them narrowly defined and confined based on these assumptions, then you wouldn't see higher rates of psychological problems, addiction and suicide in the gay community. In fact there would be no need for a "gay community" because they would just be accepted and fully integrated into the community at large
I sincerely doubt that 99% of straight people would grow up to be anything but basket case wards of the state if they had to endure just a fraction of what the average gay person does growing up. Most straight people, even gay supportive ones, really have NO idea what gay people endure growing up and without actually experiencing it first hand they never could come close to have any idea.
I guess when you're a submissive wife and raising 3 kids and puffing up your husband's ego, you don't have time to be a person in your own right. Guess she needed something to keep her busy now that kids are grown, Rick's rich, and she's "discovered" AIDS. Also seems to have visions of being Mother Theresa.
Lawdy, lawdy, help us.
Rise up, Imo!
She (as well as Olberman) also managed to say NOTHING, not one single word, about Proposition 8 BEFORE it passed, when their words and thoughts might have made some difference Yet AFTER it passed she and Olberman couldn't say enough about how awful it was as they raged in righteous (which by that time seemed like self-righteous) indignation.
My uncle was in a committed relationship with the same partner for years before he died. He didn't feel the need to sleep around and as a doctor he did more good in one day than Ricky does in a year.
This spew of spin is coming directly out of Obama's campaign machine. It's Reasonable Rick. Unreasonable fags.
Natural? In the some 600 species studied so far, 100% have exhibited homosexual and bisexual behavior. Worst historical distortion of all? 5000 years of human history and marriage has been between a man and a woman. Nonsense. There are no such records to demonstrate that. For virtually all of human history, marital partners chose each other, just as we choose our friends, with no regulation, or recording documents or even ceremony by the church or the state. There was no sacramental marraige until the 14th century and states didn't get involved until about 150 years ago. And bibles didn't record marriage, they recorded progeny. If they recorded laisons they would be a hell of a lot more complicated. The records which exist for the last 150 years are self selecting heterosexual. So they are not statistically sound. They record only heterosexual marriages, not gay ones. That doesn't mean there weren't any. Go to Pompeii if you don't think there weren't any gay marriages, and read David and Jonathon. What bullshit. What distortion. Shame on Obama for putting this crap out there. Shame on Obama for distorting the historical record. Shame on Obama for promising change and giving us the same old, same old Republican spin. Shame on Obama for pretending he supports a big tent. Obama's big tent has a sign outside, "Sorry, no Dogs or Gays."
great pick obama!
what was he even saying?
i couldn't even link his thoughts together in way that they (i'd suppositioned) were meant to be in to even make any sense by the time he was done talking.
i'm totaly flabbergasted, but i can honestly say i don't understand what he said.
(blink blink)
These religious nuts never kick up a stink about the sins of straight people when it comes to sex before marriage and the clear lack of sanctity of regular marriages in our society. And why would they? Who would fill their pews if they alienated these people?
Instead of caring about fixing the problems on their own end of things, they do exactly what they do when their priests diddle little boys -- they turn a blind-eye to it all. Instead, they collate around those things that even the sinners of their church can get behind: hating gays.
I don't care if the pastor Obama choses for this role is not in support of gay marriage and/or is pro-life, but I do care if they go out of their way to demean gay people and make up things about them. That kind of person should not be given the privilege that Warren is about to enjoy.
Man, I worked my ass off for Obama from day one. Gave tons of money, called affluent friends, and asked them to do the same. I feel betrayed.
I would feel better if in the name of "Inclusion" he called on the grand Wizard of the KKK to stand next to him and say a few words that day as well.
I forgave the Donnie McClurken thing, and shrugged it off. But this one, at OUR TIME, OUR moment in history. Obama legitimizes this clown? There are so many great spiritual people in this country. And this is what passes as disagreeing, without being disagreeable?
Obama cannot charm his way out of this one for me.
Thank you AB for bringing to light truly what an idiot Warren really is. WOW...I am dumbstuck.
Chill out. Warren has done enough damage to himself that he's wholly marginalized. If it were otherwise perhaps he'd have had some effect on the outcome of the election. We know he tried to stack the deck in favor of McCrazy and that didn't go so well.
Almost all the religious people that Republicans follow are homobashers. It's probably hard to find one that isn't. Warren at least carries SOME liberal positions. He'll get his two minutes in the limelight and at the end, Rev. Lowery will eat his lunch. Sad as I am to see Obama go this route, it is understandable to a degree. Sometimes the best cure for an infection like Warren is to focus even more spotlights because he'll ultimately marginalize himself (as his rightwing supporters already have).
Doesn't anybody have any pictures of him and Ted Haggard embracing like Bush and McCrazy? Those would be precious.
Enjoy.
To equate the inauguration setting with Warren’s church as a place to extend an olive branch is ludicrous. We the people never elected Warren and we did elect Obama. This celebration should be foremost for those who worked to elect him. Why is the oppressor rewarded while the oppressed are told to “live with it”? This is exactly why the 14th amendment is part of the Constitution and Obama being a constitutional lawyer makes this choice all the more perplexing. This inclusion of Warren is just so wrong on so many levels.
If I were going to the inauguration, I would stand up and boo as loudly as I could as soon as Warren opens his hate-filled mouth. If a policeman would choose to haul me away, so be it.
By the way, I’m a 54 year old mother – don’t smoke, barely drink, have never been arrested and have been married to the most wonderful man for over 25 years “sanctity of marriage”, and I’m aware that people call me a goody-two-shoes behind my back. Never the less, I mean every word I’ve stated especially what I said in the previous paragraph.