I saw Keith's show last night and have got to think that one of the reasons the Dem's are so darned hesitant to prosecute Bush is because if he is investigated, we might find out that some of the Dem's had some involvement in these issues as well.
Either that or the right has one hell of a book of blackmail on all of the Democrats.
clytemnestra
· 1 year ago
I'm hoping that this is a feint to lessen the possibility of hundreds if not thousands of pardons.
But after FISA I'm not so hopeful any more .... if Obama does what Sunstein suggested HE will be responsible for two Americas .. one where the rich and powerful get off scott free and one for the rest of us.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Too make things simple for our idiot in chief, DOJ should simply draft a blanket pardon for all government agencies, all government employees and all corporations for all acts, known or unknown, charged or uncharged, between January 20, 2001, and January 19, 2009.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
To
CharlesDarwin
· 1 year ago
John, you should consider a story submit function so us posters don't have to use the reaction system for off-topic stuff we'd like you to look at. Like this cute little film right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrzFyeHSRJI
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Sorry, but just seeing what it was enraged me terribly, both him and the grinning skulls behind him--the entire regime should be dropped on a desert island with no food, no water, no shelter....you can damned well bet their inner cannibalism would get the best of all of them, and they would deserve their fate.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Sorry, but just seeing what it was enraged me terribly, both him and the grinning skulls behind him--the entire regime should be dropped on a desert island with no food, no water, no shelter....you can damned well bet their inner cannibalism would get the best of all of them, and they would deserve their fate.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
man... chimpy's gonna wear his crayons down to nubs writing all those pardons before he leaves.
BTW... did you know pardons can be pre-emptive? meaning, if they THINK someone MIGHT be indicted for something... chimpy can pardon them beforehand.
a little known law from the early 1800's.
foolme1ns
· 1 year ago
I had that same thought. Now FEMA wants immunity. There are going to be a lot of agencies, groups and people seeking immunity from their crimes in the next few months.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
...and the Dem's will remain silent as usual.
Something smells rotten here.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
its called blackmail.
chimpco has dirt on everyone on the hill... they blather about doing something, then let the repugs have their way. it'll be like that until 2009, when Obama takes over.
for example, (and I repeat this for the FIFTH time because no one seems to be paying attention!) there's a bill that was introduced in SEPTEMBER 2007 to close the Enron loophole (replacing the cap on speculating on energy/oil) that would LOWER THE COST OF GAS %35-50 OVERNIGHT.
you'd think, with all the talk about rising fuel costs... someone would sign this into law to make their party look good.
but that'd piss off Wall St. AND big oil.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I know they are using their illegal spying to their best interest. A shame that the Dem's care more for their own neck than what might be best for the nation. (yes, I'm pissed at them all about now).
As far as the Enron cap goes, might you have any more info on this? This is the first I have ever heard of such a thing and would love to know more about it. That might be something we can openly question at a presser or sumptin.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Here's a little somthing that Obama himself said a short time ago: From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones Obama campaign's said today that he plans to ease the impact of rising gas prices by cracking down on excessive energy speculation through closing the so-called “Enron Loophole.” http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/...
The way Republicans tell it, the minute we start drilling off the coasts of California, Florida and elsewhere, the price of gas will go down. In fact, it would take five years after the ban on offshore drilling was lifted for oil production to start, and, if it were lifted right now, in 22 years domestic oil production would have increased by only 7 percent, according to the Energy Information Administration. Even so, “because oil prices are determined on the international market … any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.” (Source: Center for American Progress.)
On the other hand, Congress and George Bush could take a step tomorrow that would create a drop in oil prices of between 25 and 50 percent overnight, simply by closing the Enron Loophole. http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/06/22/closing...
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
and this isn't just in the US... as oil is traded on the world market... EVERYONE'S prices for gas would go down.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Two more:
Close the Enron Loophole Act A bill to amend the Commodity Exchange Act to close the Enron loophole, prevent price manipulation and excessive speculation in the trading of energy commodities, and for other purposes. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2058/show
High Oil Prices: Who Is Really To Blame? Many reasons have been given recently for the record price of oil; increased worldwide demand, lagging production, instability in producing regions, and the weakness of the US dollar, all of which are true. However, the one reason that many believe is the real driving force behind the price run-up is the one that has received the least amount of coverage: The role played by speculative interests, such as hedge funds and investment banks. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19202...
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
For what it's worth (from the ACLU) and also OT:
This sounds so outrageous, it seems like a joke or something out of "The Onion."
Attorney General Michael Mukasey is demanding that Congress issue a new declaration of war so that anyone that this president or the next one declares to be an "enemy combatant" can be held indefinitely without a trial.
The new declaration of war would make the entire globe — including the United States itself — a “battlefield” where the president decides who will be locked up forever.
With only five weeks left in the Congressional schedule and only six months left in the Bush presidency, Mukasey’s ridiculous power grab should be laughed out of town. But given this Congress’ track record, the Mukasey proposal is no laughing matter. Especially because it also includes a cover-up of the Bush administration’s systemic torture and abuse of detainees.
We can’t take for granted that Congress will reject this outrageous proposal. We have to meet it with an immediate wall of protest that says to Congress: “Don’t you dare.”
I just told my members of Congress to reject the dangerous Bush/Mukasey plan. You can do the same thing here:
O&W: i posted this on an earlier thread. It is no joke. i phoned the ACLU in Washington and they confirmed it. Is this why they build all the prisons so they can round us up come November. Bush could declare anyone in the U.S. a enemy combatant and we could be arrested and held indefinitely with out legal recourse. Has the world gone mad?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
At least the US has...
anarchy
· 1 year ago
FEMA: we've tried ~nothing~ and we're all out of ideas!
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
yes I WANT IMMUNITY from the day i was born...okay?
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
sorry... you have no rights AFTER you're born. You have rights from conception to birth, and if you happen to become a vegetable.
gotta love repugnicans.
/snark
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
It's just like watching Dallas or the Bob Newhart Show. "It's as if the past 8 years never really happened....It was all just a dream."
Reality can be so damn inconvenient.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
If I break the law i go to jail, why is this and any group treated special. Today's incident with Novak is a good example. I can guarantee if i hit a pedestrian i would be arrested, fingerprinted, breathalyzered and probably charged with at least leaving the scene of an accident. This fucking ghoul gets a ticket and gives two shits about the guy he plastered on his windshield. Everyone in this fucking Administration is going to need immunity and they all belong in jail serving time with other 2 million they helped put there.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
like I said... chimpy's gonna go through an awful lot of crayons signing pardons before he leaves.
MikeinSanJo
· 1 year ago
So the re-puke-licans want a do-over of the last 8 years?
That works for me. Lets roll back the Roberts and Alito confirmations as well as all the rest of the bush judicial, ambassadorial, and other long term appointments. Roll back the Bankruptcy bill. Roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy (and charge them back taxes). Roll back the homeland security debacle - if they really want this bill, make them READ the fucking thing before voting it into law. Oh, and any and all payraises Congress has granted itself which take them further and further out of touch with those that pay their salaries.
What else has he done to cripple and castrate this once-great nation that we can undo?
MikeinSanJo
· 1 year ago
...and we should get a refund from Blackwater.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
and halliburton.
MNUSA
· 1 year ago
And those are just two of the more notorious ones.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Well, I think that at least by the end of this century, maybe even earlier, no one will have to worry about any of this anyway since Mother Earth will shrug us all off and start all over again with another species that isn't as ignorant and greedy, one that respects its only home and truly cares for it.
clytemnestra
· 1 year ago
Does it really matter any more? If what Sunstein suggests in The Nation is true we will forever have two Americas -- one where we must obey the law and one where the rich and powerful NEVER have to worry about it.
I don't thing Congress will ever uncover all the graft, incompetence, kick-backs and just plain criminality that occurred the Bush years. It would take so much time and resources (and the Democratic Congress doesn't work much harder than the Repub Congress did) that I wonder if it's possible to investigate everything that needs investigating. The taxpayers have been royally screwed by the Bushies.
jr
· 1 year ago
the Bush junta considers us to be free if corporations can kill us. That's what the Heritage foundation's "freedom index" is all about
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http://rawstory.com//news/2008/MSNBC_Will_preem...
Game Over.
Either that or the right has one hell of a book of blackmail on all of the Democrats.
But after FISA I'm not so hopeful any more .... if Obama does what Sunstein suggested HE will be responsible for two Americas .. one where the rich and powerful get off scott free and one for the rest of us.
BTW... did you know pardons can be pre-emptive? meaning, if they THINK someone MIGHT be indicted for something... chimpy can pardon them beforehand.
a little known law from the early 1800's.
Something smells rotten here.
chimpco has dirt on everyone on the hill... they blather about doing something, then let the repugs have their way. it'll be like that until 2009, when Obama takes over.
for example, (and I repeat this for the FIFTH time because no one seems to be paying attention!) there's a bill that was introduced in SEPTEMBER 2007 to close the Enron loophole (replacing the cap on speculating on energy/oil) that would LOWER THE COST OF GAS %35-50 OVERNIGHT.
you'd think, with all the talk about rising fuel costs... someone would sign this into law to make their party look good.
but that'd piss off Wall St. AND big oil.
As far as the Enron cap goes, might you have any more info on this? This is the first I have ever heard of such a thing and would love to know more about it. That might be something we can openly question at a presser or sumptin.
From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
Obama campaign's said today that he plans to ease the impact of rising gas prices by cracking down on excessive energy speculation through closing the so-called “Enron Loophole.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/...
The way Republicans tell it, the minute we start drilling off the coasts of California, Florida and elsewhere, the price of gas will go down. In fact, it would take five years after the ban on offshore drilling was lifted for oil production to start, and, if it were lifted right now, in 22 years domestic oil production would have increased by only 7 percent, according to the Energy Information Administration. Even so, “because oil prices are determined on the international market … any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.” (Source: Center for American Progress.)
On the other hand, Congress and George Bush could take a step tomorrow that would create a drop in oil prices of between 25 and 50 percent overnight, simply by closing the Enron Loophole.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/06/22/closing...
Close the Enron Loophole Act
A bill to amend the Commodity Exchange Act to close the Enron loophole, prevent price manipulation and excessive speculation in the trading of energy commodities, and for other purposes.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2058/show
High Oil Prices: Who Is Really To Blame?
Many reasons have been given recently for the record price of oil; increased worldwide demand, lagging production, instability in producing regions, and the weakness of the US dollar, all of which are true. However, the one reason that many believe is the real driving force behind the price run-up is the one that has received the least amount of coverage: The role played by speculative interests, such as hedge funds and investment banks.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19202...
This sounds so outrageous, it seems like a joke or something out of "The Onion."
Attorney General Michael Mukasey is demanding that Congress issue a new declaration of war so that anyone that this president or the next one declares to be an "enemy combatant" can be held indefinitely without a trial.
The new declaration of war would make the entire globe — including the United States itself — a “battlefield” where the president decides who will be locked up forever.
With only five weeks left in the Congressional schedule and only six months left in the Bush presidency, Mukasey’s ridiculous power grab should be laughed out of town. But given this Congress’ track record, the Mukasey proposal is no laughing matter. Especially because it also includes a cover-up of the Bush administration’s systemic torture and abuse of detainees.
We can’t take for granted that Congress will reject this outrageous proposal. We have to meet it with an immediate wall of protest that says to Congress: “Don’t you dare.”
I just told my members of Congress to reject the dangerous Bush/Mukasey plan. You can do the same thing here:
http://action.aclu.org/mukasey
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
gotta love repugnicans.
/snark
Reality can be so damn inconvenient.
That works for me. Lets roll back the Roberts and Alito confirmations as well as all the rest of the bush judicial, ambassadorial, and other long term appointments. Roll back the Bankruptcy bill. Roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy (and charge them back taxes). Roll back the homeland security debacle - if they really want this bill, make them READ the fucking thing before voting it into law. Oh, and any and all payraises Congress has granted itself which take them further and further out of touch with those that pay their salaries.
What else has he done to cripple and castrate this once-great nation that we can undo?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/25806014...
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/MSNBC_Will_preem...