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AMERICAblog: Now Olympia Snowe isn't sure she likes the public option opt out

  • Butch1 · 3 months ago
    "Her party lost the last election, yet she's acting like she won it."
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    What is it with the democrats that they think they need to enable her the power over them? This is entirely Speaker Reid's fault. Someone needs to call a "time-out" and get the democrats into a huddle where they can get on the same page. Who is allowing this? Reid. The sooner he is asked to step down the better. Is anyone running against him in 2010? I sure hope so. We need to get behind this person.
  • larryv · 3 months ago
    Last time...the stimulus package...it was Snowe gal pal senator from Maine working with Ben Nelson and Spector(R) before (D) & screwed around and got a weakened stimulus bill out the door in the rush to find bipartisanship...ha ha ha and oddly enough the GOP did not punish Collins for voting for the bill...now its Olympia...she will screw around with Ben Nelson and whoever and weaken and get the health care reform bill less than real reform. See a pattern. Bet Snowe will not get punished either...why, she is doing HER leaderships bidding like Collins did before. Suppose the brain trust at the WH or Reid notices. Likely not because here we go again, bending over before we are even ask. Ahhh to be a proud democrat.
  • FunMe · 3 months ago
    Note to Obama (and his readers who I know lurk here):

    Passing any bill without a public option is not a "win". It is actually a LOSS, and we will prove that when election time comes if a public option is not part of health reform.

    Bipartisan means nothing without a public option.

    No public option = no reelection.
  • larryv · 3 months ago
    Sen Snowe has made it very clear she is against the public option and will not vote for one in the final bill. OK, thats done so can someone explain to me why the WH, and the Senate leadership...allegedly Democrats....seem to be accommodating a Republican Senator from a small state ? If the final bill Reid puts together has no public option or one with the Snowe trigger the Democrats can be assured of a bloodbath at the polls next November. Take it to the bank.
  • mikeyDe · 3 months ago
    Message to Snowe: this week's health care industry report *is* the trigger. Now get to work on a public option. Personally I like the opt-out concept for the damage it could do to the knuckledraggers.
  • condew · 3 months ago
    I also want the mandate softened so the knuckledraggers can opt out. If we force them to buy insurance they will not appreciate the protection, but they will renew their anger with every premium they pay.

    So no fine if you don't buy insurance, but with every month that passes the more it is like reform never happened for those who opt out; less subsidy, higher premiums, and after a year, they have to prove they don't need insurance to be able to buy it, just like now. So they can choose not to participate and only hate themselves when they inevitably go bankrupt.
  • mikeyDe · 3 months ago
    I agree the mandate should be dropped. When I referred to knuckledraggers I meant the political leaders of states opposed to the public option. Entire states would be able to opt out of the public option. This would enrage the majority of citizens without group coverage who would have to pay exorbitant premiums as well as underinsured employees with little or no competition to choose from. I would love to see the knuckledragging pols defend their decision to opt out.
  • eclare · 3 months ago
    It occurs to me that Republicans could simply be using Snowe's vote as bait for a majorly watered down plan. They know that the obstructionist label has begun to hurt them and that Dems are starting to figure out that they can go it alone, so they got Snowe to insert herself into the debate as a lure. That way the idiot Dems in the Senate will bend over to accomodate her and in the process completely nullify any actual progress.


    Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
  • larryv · 3 months ago
    What, you mean like Collins during the stimulus debate and weakened bill..no that couldn't be, after all the democrat leadership is too smart to let that happen. right.
  • synical · 3 months ago
    Obama administration-appointed Empress Snowe is "essential"? Conservative Democrats in states other than Maine may back out if the duly appointed Empress doesn't approve? Damn, if I were a constituent of the Blue Dogs who look to Empress Snowe for how to cast their votes I'd be beyond pissed. Primary their asses if the concerns of the Empress supersede the concerns of their constituents.

    I'm not sure who the administration advisers are insulting more; the President and administration for ceding such power to the Empress; the Blue Dogs for being such Empress-whipped wimps, or the public for expecting them to buy into this bullshit.

    Weak, weak, weak. Fire your advisers Mr. President, they are making you look like an ineffectual wimp who can't even influence the Blue Dog members of his party into passing legislation that contains that robust public option you supposedly want, even though you appear unable to lift a finger to fight for it. Strange that you have no problem ceding your power of persuasion to someone who wants nothing more than to kill it.

    Four-eight years of administration-appointed conservative Senate Emperors and Empresses dictating so-called Democratic legislation. You can't get any more capitulating than that. Wake me up when this political nightmare is over.
  • JustAnOldLady · 3 months ago
    I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't have bothered to support, donate money, vote Democratic.....Republicans are still in control......phooey.
  • mamazboy · 3 months ago
    "Our party won the last election, yet we're acting like we lost. Does anyone else see the problem here?" That's exactly it. We need to push this idea HARD so people are thinking about it. Sad but true.
  • Zorba · 3 months ago
    Seriously, the Dems need to dethrone the Empress Olympia and just enact what the majority of the American public wants- a good public option.
  • sonofloud · 3 months ago
    Is it a blizzard? NO, just a little Snowe.
    Months have past, and we've had to endure a platform for every gun toting, Nazi loving kook in the country. To what ends?
    So Obama can claim some bizarre sort of bipartianship of 1. Not to mention the health care bill still would have passed the committee quite comfortabley without Snowes vote. We have wasted time, energy, and money......any figures on how much these town meetings cost and who exactly paid for them yet?
    The charade of a "public option" continues with some democrats saying they support it and will not vote for a bill without it, some democrats saying they don't support it, and what does Obama say? Well that depends on what day you ask him.
    God forbid Obama use that "great intellect" of his, you know, the one that is always playing chess and it's several steps ahead of us mere mortals. Why doesn't he use it and actually LEAD. This endless nurse maiding and hand holding of republicans is sickening.
    You campaigned on a platform of change Mr. Obama, something about change we can believe in?
    Who knew all that would change after the election sir, would be you?
  • philboyd studge · 3 months ago
    Trigger this!
  • alohasteve · 3 months ago
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  • vkobaya · 3 months ago
    McConnell and all the Senate Rs who have no intent to let any health care reform pass.

    Actually, the only objective of the Republicans is to prove for all time what total, absolute jerks and enemies of the American they are. They can't win. Therefore, they are recording for all history what hateful, bigoted turkeys they are. Then again, given how craven Reid is, there is a real chance that if they yell loudly enough and are hateful enough they might scare him into running screaming out of the halls of Congress and drowning himself in the Potomac.
  • ArizonaWill · 3 months ago
    I wish....
  • freelancewoman · 3 months ago
    With Olympia Snowe's support, talk of a "trigger" for the public option has been revived.


    We have to continue to make it clear that a trigger on the public option does not in any way make it competitive against private insurers, and that we're not going to fall for that as a "public option" in any shape or form whatsoever.


    It's why we need our progressives in Congress to continue to stay strong on their insistence that the final conference bill NOT have a triggered public option, but a public option that is competitive nationwide. We're going to be hearing a lot of drum-beating about the Snowe trigger in the days ahead, so please don't let up on those phone calls to our progressives with these talking points below!


    http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=161&ParentID=0&SectionID=4&SectionTree
    =4&lnk=b&ItemID=159


    (Basically, YES, TO THE ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION (MEDICARE PLUS 5%) -- NO TRIGGER, NO CO-OPTS, NO OPT-OUT!)


    Hi [Representative's Name]. I want to thank you for supporting the public option, but I don't want you to support a trigger or the state opt-in proposal for the public option! A trigger on the public option would be a surrender to the private insurance companies. Please don't let the insurance lobbyists win by allowing a trigger on the public option, or by allowing states to opt-in to the public option. I want a national public option that's available in all states immediately without an opt-out, an opt-in, or a trigger. I also don't support co-operatives as an alternative to the public option since the CBO have said they will do nothing to lower costs of private insurance premiums. If the bill doesn't have a public option to control premium costs, please vote against that bill!

  • hrh · 3 months ago
    There won't be any public option if Rahm has anything to say about it. Too many promises to big money groups to squelch it. Snowe is a godsend for them.......unless Dems have their spines surgically replaced before the vote. Lotsa luck on that one.
  • ArizonaWill · 3 months ago
    Snowe, a Senator from a tiny rural state with a smaller population than the city I live in is being given the power over health reform for 300 million Americans. Amazing. Every time I see her hound dog face with that little Mona Lisa grin, I want to scream as she toddles around like an anorexic apple doll dressed in fine clothes and costume jewelry. I just don't get it.
  • shell · 3 months ago
    Ah, makes me wish I had grandkids. I could watch Charlie "Max Baucus" Brown and Lucy "Olympia Snowe". It's been quite a while since I watched that show....but keeping up with national politics today is just like Peanuts.