DISQUS

dad · 1 year ago

preaching hate fills the collection plate

dad · 1 year ago

for-profit prophets

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

they need to be very afraid right now

Gary SF · 1 year ago

I'm going to video-tape them today. I'm sure they are going to be out in force, and really ugly.

adamrv · 1 year ago

Afraid of what? Is your organization trying to force it's views on others with violence? For as much as your movement talks about bigotry and hate, it seems to be all I am reading. Not a logical argument in the bunch.

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

lol. what sort of violence are you imagining? are you afraid of what homos are capable of when they finally get fed up with your relentless bigotry? and what do you mean "my" movement? isn't civil rights your movement too?

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

And how nice that the Roman Catholic Sex Offender Church "invited" them to help. . .

nicho · 1 year ago

The Catholics had to get the Mormons involved. The Catholics have used up all their money paying off victims of pedophilia -- and stonewalling them in the process. They're paying lawyers big bucks to try to screw over pedophile victims and needed the Mormons' deep pockets.

Let's not forget -- Blackwater was a player in this too. So, mercenary thugs, a secretive cult, and a pedophile organization. Real "family values" crowd.

TerryInIowa · 1 year ago

“People of faith have a democratic right to express their views in the public square without fear of reprisal.”
So they have the right to free public speech, but we don't? This proves they believe we are second class citizens.

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

Exactly. And this is why they claim removing OUR rights is a "moral" issue. Because the only way they can remove our freedom of expression is to claim we aren't "moral."

They are just like all the other wingnuts - they have the right to free speech but no one has a right to speak up against their tyranny.

nicho · 1 year ago

I have a right to spend my money where I want. If I choose not to patronize a business run by Mormons, that is my right. It's not reprisal -- it's just making sure I don't help finance someone taking away my rights.

scytherius · 1 year ago

Well, no they don't. You say the wrong thing, and reprisals are the order of the day. You may have a right to say it, but I have a right to not tolerate it.

Vince in Cedar Rapids · 1 year ago

The mindset of far-right Christians of any faith confuses me. People are homeless? I can't help. People are sick? I can't help. People are hungry? I can't help. The gays want to cement their stable and loving relationships with marriage? Here, take everything I've got!

scytherius · 1 year ago

And add to that "we'll save the fetus so it can grow up and die in one of our many Armageddon inducing wars."

tlsintx · 1 year ago

once expressing your views in the public square crosses over into actively changing the law to deny my civil rights, i believe i'm well within the bounds of propriety to stand up and say no. even hell no.

i dislike a LOT of heterosexuals too - not all but a lot...especially extreme, religious, bigoted heterosexuals. i shouldn't be allowed to outlaw them because i don't like them or think they are morally reprehensible. should I?

DavidinPS · 1 year ago

Mr. Ashton finds us "off putting?"

What an ASSHOLE!!

Joe_the_Cynic · 1 year ago

Fruit?
Wasn't he slurring GLBT mormons?

lilyannerose · 1 year ago

Everyone needs to pay attention. Today it's the gay community these values fanatics are going after. There are also the whispers about birth control and divorce being on the fundie agenda.

Does anyone think this movement will stop until we're all bots like them?

Have to say when John said he was pretty much going after em, I believed him, but I have been impressed beyond that belief!

sullivan · 1 year ago

Religion is the root of all evil.

mirele · 1 year ago

“By their fruit, ye shall know them.” is actually from Matthew 7:20. Ashton's belief is that the "fruit" of No on Proposition 8 is all these evil things that he was led to believe by propaganda would happen. I don't believe he was thinking of gays as fruit. But he probably does think that opposition comes from Satan and his opponents are tools of Satan.

I'd like five minutes alone with Alan Ashton. I'd ask him if his unhappiness with the current protests isn't somehow based in the Mormon belief that "contention is of the devil." All this open opposition would tend to set off devout Mormons, because it's contention and that comes from Satan. That doesn't mean that Mormons don't have arguments. Rather, what it means is that there's a lot of passive-aggressive shit that goes on that masquerades itself as spirituality. It's a rather unhealthy environment, IMHO.

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

We're going to try and call up all the donors to Prop. 8 and see whom to boycott. The Mormons are out there, but as former Catholics, we want to see what we can do in that area too. Trouble is that they're so damn secretive.

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

Join thousands across the United States this morning in solidarity over Civil Rights for ALL Americans.
Find your local protest here.
http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/?t=anon

tlsintx · 1 year ago

i'm going to mine!

DaddyTodd · 1 year ago

"By their fruits ye shall know them" is a scripture quote Mormons use a lot, usually in reference to themselves. So it gives Asston (sorry, Ashton) plausible deniability.

But I'm sure he said it fully aware he was uttering a slur.

Boycott Ashton's business: Thanksgiving Point in Lehi, Utah.

RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago

But they think THEY are the victims. They're still that tiny minority - driven across the country by hatred and rejection - forced to jump into covered wagons and endure the hardships of the wilderness - hounded and rejected at every turn - until they found the place that God for them prepared (some godawful desert hellhole with bad water) - where they could enshrine the golden tablets given them by the Angel Moroni - (oops, Joseph Smith lost those - never mind) - and where they could practice their faith in peace without interference from anyone else - the upholders of traditional marriage (including polygamy ( yes polygamy is traditional, just read your bible - and they're still practicing it on the sly) - the wearers of the sacred undergarments - the believers in the notion that Jesus came to the Americas and preached to the Indians - the baptizers of the dead, regardless of what faith they may have belonged to when they were alive, and regardless of the wishes of their families. And so it shall always be - a hated minority against the world - perpetual victims of bigotry. Too bad they didn't learn anything from their experience about bullying minorities.

I do hope I got all my facts about the Mormons straight. I certainly wouldn't want to spread any falsehoods about them. That would be like, say, running television ads that say homosexuality will be taught in California schools, or ministers will be forced by law to perform gay marriages against their will. That would be bearing false witness against my neighbors. Very un-Christian.

adamrv · 1 year ago

What is a victim? Websters partly defines it in this way, "one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment". Victimization is always claimed by the sufferer and overlooked by the oppresor. Both sides Mormon as well as homosexual can claim they are "victims". What is it that the homosexual community is after? Is it simply the term "Married" or do they want the rights allowed to heterosexual married couples? Which one? Or both? Noticing that twice now California voters have defined "marriage" as between a man and a woman, can your organization receive the same rights as hetero sexual couples, such as authority over estate, medical visitation and so forth. I believe these and the other rights enjoyed by heterosexual couples are available in a domestic partnership. So seeing now that the term has been denied your movement twice would it be more logical to make sure you have all the protection under the law that you desire instead of violent bigotted demonstrations that cast your movement as somewhat hypocritical in the publics eye, the Mormon church maybe bigotted in your eyes as "the oppressed oppressing" but I assure you your movement has now fulfilled the same role.

RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago

Our movement hasn't attempted to cancel any Mormon marriages, nor does our movement knock on Mormon doors and attempt to convert them to being gay. Hypocritical? Do gays attempt to protect traditional marriage while practicing polygamy?

SCLiberal · 1 year ago

We need to remember this when the Republicans try to run Mitt Romney for anything in the future.

vejo · 1 year ago

His daughter-in-law gave $1000 to Yes on 8.

Soaplady57 · 1 year ago

They are all going to cry "boo hoo" when all of their businesses lose money since none of their gay customers will no longer buy from them nor will the rest of us who are pissed off because of the Prop 8 issue.. I say we should maybe put our heads together and figure out WHICH businesses we are going to boycott because of the Mormon's actions and put them up on a website so that EVERYONE will know. Anyone with me on this idea???

lucky hussein · 1 year ago

is there any more proof of the need to take away tax-exempt status? if you give to the aclu or the republican party that is not tax-exempt, but the mormons are? can some lawyer or aclu sue the gov't to take action?

Older_Wiser · 1 year ago

Well, the protests start in less than an hour here on the east coast; already started in other areas...a rising crescendo against bigotry.

Mormonism: the religion of huge families (fundies are following suit now), and the hoarders of food (they're supposed to store a year's worth and keep it replenished). All that reproduction and hoarding...exactly how much do they feed the homeless and hungry? Their individual pantries must look like supermarkets...

Sadly, Windows XP comes loaded with Word Perfect, and I used that software for years when I was working.

I'm convinced religion is the root of all evil, not the "salvation" of the human race by any means.

LowKey · 1 year ago

Don't dis WordPerfect just yet.

Yes one of its founders is a mormon bigot.

But the other founder left the bigotry, left his sham marriage to a woman, is now an openly gay ex-mormon, and donated one million dollars to the No on 8 campaign.

pet valet · 1 year ago

Under siege: As hekebolos showed, LDS were working on legal confrontation back in 1997. Game plan shows up in memos
http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7396
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/3/15369/3...

...also note, domestic partnerships part of agenda as well. 2008 moves along that line in FL(voters approved only hetero marriage & nothing else recognized--and btw Ark voters barred adoption by non-heteros) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/0...

foxy · 1 year ago

If they like "fruit" well let's throw it at them...

SDBear · 1 year ago

If ever you find yourself in a conversation with a Mormon about how much they "love the sinner," make sure to ask them about Sept. 11, 1857 and how much they loved a group of Midwestern people just trying to get to California and start new lives. The Mountain Meadows Massacre is where Mormon militia attacked members of a wagon train in southwest Utah, ultimately killing 120 men women and children, sparing only a few kids under six. With the stamp of approval from Brigham Young.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_m....

Then they tried to blame it on Native Americans.

As recently as last year in "Ensign," their Mormon magazine, they defended it by saying "...the large majority of perpetrators led decent, nonviolent lives before and after the massacre."

So I guess this was just a moral hiccup, a little phase the religious zealot murderers had to work through.

The Mormon church didn't eschew polygamy (really polygyny: one man, many wives) until the U.S. government threatened to seize its assets. Then their leaders had a vision from God they should ban it on the books (while still tacitly approving it, of course).

And they only ended discrimination against African Americans in the late 70s when they were threatened with loss of their tax exempt status. And, yes, their leaders then had another vision from God that they should change their ways.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_race.htm

This religion has a reprehensible history. What do you expect when their founder was an 1800s con man who "translated" the Book of Mormon by looking at special rocks inside a stovepipe hat?

I'm sorry, but anyone who buys into this stuff lock, stock and barrel is just not rational. They're just a tub of Kool-Aid and a poison puddin' pop away from Jim Jones and Heaven's Gate.

And anyone who gives them 10 percent of all their earnings is just a chump in a huge pyramid scheme.

Older_Wiser · 1 year ago

Well, it's scary knowing most Mormons in that area probably descended from criminals, isn't it? You know, all those "cousins" marrying and so forth. Seems they are continuing their evil ways.

Rev_Sacrilege · 1 year ago

As your Reverend... I hereby declare, by the authority vested in me by the state of progressive thinking, that I shall see all of these bastards in hell. Hopefully they won't ruin the party for me and Ghandi.

kh7463 · 1 year ago

Let me get this straight: It's ok for them to basically "protest" gay marriage with all their money, but it's not ok for supporters of gay marriage to protest them?

I guess they don't follow the "do unto others..." rule either.

pet valet · 1 year ago

Absent a successful ongoing plan: imho, there's more loss in store (domestic partnerships, adoptions, right to work w/o discrimination, hate crimes) as these ballot wins energize their "base."

CPL · 1 year ago

No more talking.

REVOKE THEIR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.

Should have been done 30 years ago when they engaged in discrimination against African-Americans by not allowing them to become members of the LDS.

When you engage in anything political or discriminatory, it should be grounds for revocation of TAX-EXEMPT status.

The End.

Forrest1958 · 1 year ago

Amazing that a religion that was itself persecuted for it's non-traditional views of marriage would take on this cause.

I would love to see what would happen if a group of activists organized a church based on gay and lesbian rights, and began very publicly baptizing dead mormons into their new church, just as the mormons do with holocaust victims.

nicho · 1 year ago

All you need do is look to the Episcopalians -- all that bickering inside a church that was founded solely so a king could get another divorce.

Forrest1958 · 1 year ago

Maybe I should rephrase that.

Someone needs to create a church for gays and lesbians, and begin VERY PUBLICLY baptizing dead mormons. Starting with Brigham Young and Joseph Smith, and moving along to all sorts of otherwise anonymous mormons. 10 or 100 or 1000 every day, baptized into the church of homosexuality, with their names forever associated with that cause.

Any reason not to?

pcvirginiabeach · 1 year ago

John- What specifically is being done to stop Sundance or move the venue? I would think there are a lot of allies in the film indiustry... why pay these clowns with LGBT dollars?

johnt66 · 1 year ago

Well, surprise,surprise, I thought it was the African Americans community that tip the scale, must be another Susan Smith moment, the color people did it. I'm also surprise that no one in the LGBT community is not angry at the LOG CABINET, but I guess they get a pass, b/c??????

scottinsf · 1 year ago

Well, you thought wrong.

As far as the log cabin folks, my understanding is that they were overwhelmingly against prop 8.

johnt66 · 1 year ago

So what is the purpose of the group that have the same principle as the Republican party that is total against Gay Marriages,also against even civil union, please help me we this, If I am wrong then I will apologize whole heartly.

RainbowPhoenix · 1 year ago

The Log Cabin Republicans agree with the financial and military policies of the Republican party. Their purpose is to change the Republican party's social policies from the inside.

They have failed spectacularly at this but that's neither here nor there.

pdxprobert · 1 year ago

It was my understanding that the African American vote in support of Prop 8 (against gay marriage), was 70% based on exit polls. That was the highest of the minority voters against gay marriage equality.. Ive since heard that it might not have been that high and 57% was closer to the actual %'g of votes from the African American community (based on an interview I heard on Air America by a gay activist who lives in NYC).... the role that the Mormons played was more so on the funding issue although I suspect they voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage equality. I dont know if there was an exit poll based on how the Mormons voted...... in the world of minority politics, it seems that most want to be thought of as being better than gays... and gays have to settle for the crumbs... what I find most offensive is how minorities voted another minority to have less than equal status... the most blatant of prejudice Ive ever experienced has been from the black community... even leaders in the black community know that homophobia is rampant....

anarchy · 1 year ago

ALL organized religion has traditionally had one
(and only one) purpose: to keep the masses in
line so as to not upset the balance of power -
which, of course, always favors the ruling class.

I have no problem with anybody's own personal
beliefs, just as long as everybody KEEPS IT TO
THEMSELVES and leaves everybody else out of
it. this is none of my business just the same as my
own business is none of their fucking business.

once they try to foist their crackpot religious beliefs
on others then it's CLOBBERING TIME as far as I'm
concerned.

I'm not AT ALL religious, but I don't care if others have
faith. I don't even care if some people are so ignorant
that they feel they can hate those who don't share the
same religion/lifestyle/race/etc - but it's when these
jabronis act upon their hate then I feel it's the DUTY of
every right-minded person to fucking kick these asshats
to the curb.

I'm also straight - but I have many gay & lesbian friends
and I love them ALL dearly, regardless.

why the hell should I care who people are attracted to,
or what they want to do as consenting adults in their
own privacy?? I've been hit on plenty of times by gay
men - but I always smile, politely say no, and I still
thank them for their interest as I actually do take it
as a compliment.

I fully support the notion that ALL people are equal,
no matter what.

NO MATTER WHAT, I say!!

gay or straight, love is great.

hatred is usually a sign of inferior intelligence.

thanks for reading, y'all.

thesidetrack · 1 year ago

Thought everyone might want to take a moment to respond to this. KVNU is a radio station in our area (northern Utah) providing a forum (blog/radio) for all political persuasions from liberal to conservative, and the debate over Prop 8 has been raging there for weeks now. This post was placed this morning by the conservative member of the troop and one of three co-hosts of the show, who is incensed that so many are lambasting his religious readers and picking on the poor Mormons who meant no harm,, blah blah, etc. He has sent a letter to the Anti-Defamation League and is trying to encourage Utahns en masse to do the same. Please weigh in: http://kvnuforthepeople.com/?p=3209

usagi · 1 year ago

“People of faith have a democratic right to express their views in the public square without fear of reprisal.”

But people of faith also have the right to extort "matching" contributions from businesses that fund the opposing view. Thanks for clarifying that. Regretting that particular strategy yet?

tlsintx · 1 year ago

just got back from the local Prop 8 protest rally...the tv cameras were there, Eric Alva spoke to the crowd and I got to meet him and shake his hand. That is one great American.

It was a great turnout for deep in the heart of Texas...lots of signs...beautiful weather...beautiful people out demanding justice for all!

scytherius · 1 year ago

The hate organization that is the Mormon Church is in for am eternal rough ride for this. We are never going to forget or go away.

blondeq · 1 year ago

As I posted on the Sundance article, I think the best way to get the LDS church to stop their insanity is to attack their financial interests which are coordinated by their financial arms. These arms hold major interests in Marriott, Jet Blue and Black & Decker. They also hold minority interests in an endless list of businesses, but a coordinated effort at these high profile companies will make an impact. The only thing the Church loves more than their righteous indignation is its money!!!!!

foxy · 1 year ago

Indeed because that's all they know is $$$

scytherius · 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more. As foxy said, all they care about is $$$.