AMERICAblog: NYT: Pentagon and White House fed co-opted pro-war military analysts to the media
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i just finished reading that story. No one could have predicted it. sheeesh.
great appearance on cnn john. howie - not so much.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Also breaking news: The Bush Administration engaged in extensive propaganda, see James Guckert, Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher, Judy Miller, et. al....
It is still unbelievable to me that nothing has been done about that shit
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
It was John vs. Assrocket on CNN?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I used to call them the "Rent A Generals."
It was obvious they were cheerleading for the Chimporer by spinning Pentagon Pap.
Not sure why the Talking Heads couldn't figure it out---unless they already knew.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
The MSM is the entity that ticks me off the most. They participate whole heartedly in the deception, then turn around and cover the "exposure" of said deception, they're making money on both ends of the deal.
Take the ABC debate thing. The sheer number of articles after the fact decrying Stephanopaoulus's tactics were incredible, yet all of them took a stance like the media didn't, on a daily basis, engage in the same low class tactics to get ratings and readers. The only difference with the ABC debate was that the pure ugliness of the tactic was laid bare and the stench was so foul that even the media couldn't pretend it didn't exist.
The "problem" is that the American people keep giving the media entirely too much credibility. Most of the MSM got out of the integrity business long ago and the only motivation left is profit.
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
Corruption!
honeymeganmom
· 1 year ago
awesome appearance on cnn- you put howie to shame!!! great job!
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
The old military guys' jobs depend on them coddling the Bush regime--the jobs they got with military contractors, that is.
You can't trust those people. Hell, I don't trust anyone these days, including my own self...that's how bad it's getting in this country. : )
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
John, you did extremely well on Reliable Sources today. My favorite was when you said that ABC should ask about McCain's infidelities and that Jim made a grimace face. Bwahahahaha. You looked good on camera, too. What are your beauty secrets? ;-)
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
MSM=the administration's lapdogs. Always loyal, as long as you throw them a barbecue bone once in a while.
ClassAct
· 1 year ago
What happened to the days of investigative journalists actually working for the MSM? Why can't reporters investigate the news rather than repeat the propaganda fed to them by the Bush regime? Why must real news be gleaned from the online pages of real reporters such as Wayne Madsen? Sadly, a very small percentage of Americans even bother to search for real news, instead relying on the force fed crap from the networks and newspapers.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Are we now supposed to pretend that we didn't realize there was a problem until just now when the NYT revealed the Truth to us? That's so Bladerunner! Kewl!
lynchie
· 1 year ago
ClassAct: the reason reporters can't investigate is they have no talent. It is far easier to re write crap given by the government, put their name on it and take credit. They have sadly turned into the written medias version of Katie Couric. They simply read the news. they do not go out and uncover it. Because they have been so complicit in the regurgitation of this force fed crap they have lost the will and the integrity to start questioning how they have been manipulated. They would have to confess to their editors that they have done a blessed thing in 8 years.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I don't consider the Newsreaders to be journalists at all. Most of them don't even have journalism backgrounds....they were communications majors if they went to college at all. And the network people--Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric--are just people who got their jobs because they have pleasant smiles. Of course, Russert, Stephie, Tweety and the rest were just political hacks.
Some of the newspaper guys have solid backgrounds--graduates of good journalism programs with years of police beats or city beats or war zone reporting under their belts--but with the corporatization of the newspaper business, most of them are too overworked to do real reporting anyway, and the ones who can do real reporting don't bother because they'll just get called on the carpet by the money men who run the place.
Betcha Condi will have something stupid to say about this.
mimart
· 1 year ago
Is anyone really surprised by this? I’m actually more surprised that the MSM picked this up! After all, I remember reading the ‘smoking gun’ as reported in the UK that they (bush admin) were going to “fix the facts around the policy” in the Downing Street Memo. The MSM here, didn’t want to touch this story.
And if anyone thinks that bush is not going to twist, manipulate, or to downright lie about Iran before he leaves office, I’ve got a bridge to sell you…
I'm shocked by this story. Truly shocked, I tells ya.
Honestly, how can there be anyone left in America who will look at that NYT front page (with that spread of mugshots with medals) and say "I had no idea" ?? I am so sick and tired of dumb people.
JohnA., great job on the CNN panel this a.m. If nothing else, you definitely have the best haircut. ;)
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I read Condi made a surprise visit to Iraq today.
(Funny how Iran's leaders can waltz in and get kisses on both cheeks, but our people have to sneak in.)
The Mideast always tends to blow up when she's in town.
She's like the Bizarro World Sec. of State. Instead of smoothing things over, she starts fires everywhere.
Or maybe some of the Mideast countries are getting cocky, what with Hillary promising them a "nuclear umbrella" and all.
RepubAnon
· 1 year ago
We get all our news from public relations departments these days - nobody has the resources to do any fact checking.
Not that this is all that different from the days gone by. Hunter S. Thompson reported a Latino activist in the 1970s complaining that reporters wouldn't come to their press conferences unless they held it at a big hotel with a free bar.
So it goes...
firebrand
· 1 year ago
sorry I screwed up a hyperlink....lets try again
The March to War: Israel Prepares for War against Lebanon and Syria
Where do Muslims get off acting like the oil under their countries somehow belongs to them?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Saw "Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden?" yesterday.
Was more interesting than funny--he did man on the street type interviews in Saudi, Jordan, Morrocco, Eqypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel and the Palestinian territories--and the ending was a total dissappointment.
Still, I thought it was pretty good and it gave me a feeling of the gritty reality of these countries you can't get from books or you don't get from television.
Ken Allard now says that he felt as if had been duped. This fat satisfied old military drunk on goo whore knew at the time he was lying for the administration. He is part of the problem. He need not show up again on any network, for his best efforts are below the desk beyond camera range where he slobs the knob of his military master.
DonCoyote
· 1 year ago
Suckers. Does anyone have the Brooklyn Bridge they could sell these chumps? I'd throw in Manhattan as an extra incentive.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Hey gang:
I've been working my ass off in the pasture, and the yard but our county Democratic chairman sent this out, and I found it HYSTERICAL! She is a big Hillary supporter, and I'm Obama. I'm her vice chairman. She supports Hillary and believes Oklahoma would never support someone like Obama. I agree. I just don't have faith Oklahoma will support Obama, but I'm going Obama because I think THE REST OF AMERICA will support him. The South, maybe not, but the rest will. We, of course, are voting DEMOCRATIC no matter who wins but look at this photo and LAUGH YOUR ASSES OFF. Democrats need some good comedy relief right about now:
This story like all others we think can finally expose this criminal administration, will fall down the dark hole too.
the Times needs a cable news station of their own to make sure these stories get attention.Murdock has FOX and all the conservatives who go on all the shows to flog his stories: Rev, Wright, lapel pins etc..
The Times, if it wants to survive, needs to merge with CBS and take over the news or buy CNN.
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
COME ON ALREADY! IMPEACH AND TRY FOR WAR CRIMES. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Belinda
· 1 year ago
Notice that some of these same shill Generals in the NYT article are also active in HIllary's own propaganda dissemination. She pushed forward the Iraq War and then tried to cover herself by buying off equally corrupt former Generals. The NYT article is truly eye-opening and confirms the involvement of the Clintons in almost ever step of the disinformation campaign. They are more conniving and deceptive than I ever imagined.
OleHippieChick
· 1 year ago
The only surprise to the NYT story is seeing its publication.
Nervy of them to poke the nest of our National Bidness: Warmaking in all its Glory, plus Accessories. It's where the only money's being made these days. The ultra-rich don't like their nests poked, but the article has a sniff of mea culpa because the NYT's cred is in the shitter.
So comfortable with the banality of their utter depravity, the soft greed machines running the country don't deserve to continue, you know.
Your_Uncle_Bastard
· 1 year ago
Yeah, it's always someone else's fault...
These unethical pricks deserve to lose their reputations, their credibility, AND THEIR WAR PROFITS. Bunch of pathetic profiteers who never questioned anything, until the wind changed. Profits over people uber alles - what a creed!
FUCK 'EM.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
John, you were on point with this issue today on CNN. The press is to be held accountable for this as they are not doing any due diligence.
Minimally, they should be asking anyone appearing on their shows about conflicts of interest. As you said to Howie, nobody has even asked you if you were paid by Obama or anyone else. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I happened upon this on a Sunday trip around the Net:
NYMag, Daily Intel:
"John Aravosis thinks Dean realized after Wednesday's debate that the media is now willing to join Clinton in attacking Obama, and that Dean has had enough." Dan Amira
scroll down through other good superdelegate links
Talking to ourselves. Americans are increasingly close-minded and unwilling to listen to opposing views. Susan Jacoby, LAT
"As dumbness has been defined downward in American public life during the last two decades, one of the most important and frequently overlooked culprits is the public's increasing reluctance to give a fair hearing -- or any hearing at all -- to opposing points of view." [...] "When I recently spoke about the militant parochialism of American intellectual life on a radio talk show, a caller responded by telling me that there was nothing new about Americans preferring to bask in the reflected glow of their own opinions. Talk radio and political blogs, in his view, are merely the modern equivalent of friends -- and haven't we always chosen friends who agree with us?
Well, no. Tell it to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, who certainly had many, often bitter disagreements about politics and whose correspondence nevertheless leaps off the page as an example of the illumination to be derived from exchanges of ideas between friends who respect each other even though they do not always share the same opinions.
"You and I ought not to die, before we have explained ourselves to each other," Adams wrote Jefferson in 1815."
http://nymag.com/news/politics/2008/electopedia/A guide to (almost) everything there is to know about presidential candidates John McCain, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, from the important issues (Best Speech) to the really important issues (Hairstyle).
On the topic "How They Did In College," this:
"After she lost the election for high-school president, Hillary presumably spent the next four years plotting her political comeback, which culminated in 1968 with her ascending to senior-class president at Wellesley."
That hope thing? Obama has taken an accurate reading of the direction the country wants to go.
From Progressives Rising - 2008: A Sea-Change Election:
"This year has the potential to be not simply a change election, as conventional wisdom suggests, but a sea-change election, one that marks the end of the conservative era that has dominated our politics over the past three decades and the beginning of a new progressive reform."
"Based on polling from a variety of sources, this report concludes that the conservative ideology is losing favor with the American public and that progressive approaches on such issues as the social safety net, government regulation and foreign policy are increasingly popular."
All Comments
great appearance on cnn john. howie - not so much.
It is still unbelievable to me that nothing has been done about that shit
It was obvious they were cheerleading for the Chimporer by spinning Pentagon Pap.
Not sure why the Talking Heads couldn't figure it out---unless they already knew.
Take the ABC debate thing. The sheer number of articles after the fact decrying Stephanopaoulus's tactics were incredible, yet all of them took a stance like the media didn't, on a daily basis, engage in the same low class tactics to get ratings and readers. The only difference with the ABC debate was that the pure ugliness of the tactic was laid bare and the stench was so foul that even the media couldn't pretend it didn't exist.
The "problem" is that the American people keep giving the media entirely too much credibility. Most of the MSM got out of the integrity business long ago and the only motivation left is profit.
You can't trust those people. Hell, I don't trust anyone these days, including my own self...that's how bad it's getting in this country. : )
Some of the newspaper guys have solid backgrounds--graduates of good journalism programs with years of police beats or city beats or war zone reporting under their belts--but with the corporatization of the newspaper business, most of them are too overworked to do real reporting anyway, and the ones who can do real reporting don't bother because they'll just get called on the carpet by the money men who run the place.
It's pathetic.
The March to War: Israel Prepares for War against Lebanon and Syria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=...
Iranian, Afghan forces clash at southwestern border
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Iranian_Af...
Betcha Condi will have something stupid to say about this.
And if anyone thinks that bush is not going to twist, manipulate, or to downright lie about Iran before he leaves office, I’ve got a bridge to sell you…
Honestly, how can there be anyone left in America who will look at that NYT front page (with that spread of mugshots with medals) and say "I had no idea" ?? I am so sick and tired of dumb people.
JohnA., great job on the CNN panel this a.m. If nothing else, you definitely have the best haircut. ;)
(Funny how Iran's leaders can waltz in and get kisses on both cheeks, but our people have to sneak in.)
The Mideast always tends to blow up when she's in town.
She's like the Bizarro World Sec. of State. Instead of smoothing things over, she starts fires everywhere.
Or maybe some of the Mideast countries are getting cocky, what with Hillary promising them a "nuclear umbrella" and all.
Not that this is all that different from the days gone by. Hunter S. Thompson reported a Latino activist in the 1970s complaining that reporters wouldn't come to their press conferences unless they held it at a big hotel with a free bar.
So it goes...
The March to War: Israel Prepares for War against Lebanon and Syria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/20/102254/...
Was more interesting than funny--he did man on the street type interviews in Saudi, Jordan, Morrocco, Eqypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel and the Palestinian territories--and the ending was a total dissappointment.
Still, I thought it was pretty good and it gave me a feeling of the gritty reality of these countries you can't get from books or you don't get from television.
Anyway, here's the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxXX70_R0A
I've been working my ass off in the pasture, and the yard but our county Democratic chairman sent this out, and I found it HYSTERICAL! She is a big Hillary supporter, and I'm Obama. I'm her vice chairman. She supports Hillary and believes Oklahoma would never support someone like Obama. I agree. I just don't have faith Oklahoma will support Obama, but I'm going Obama because I think THE REST OF AMERICA will support him. The South, maybe not, but the rest will. We, of course, are voting DEMOCRATIC no matter who wins but look at this photo and LAUGH YOUR ASSES OFF. Democrats need some good comedy relief right about now:
http://www.pinkpanthersblog.com/
"bitch stole my fish!"
---
OK, I admit it.
I laughed.
Surely a reasonable choice
Gallup Daily: Obama Holds Slight 47% to 45% Advantage
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106609/Gallup-Daily-...
Poll: Clinton margin in Pa. won't cut Obama's delegate lead
(Overall, Clinton leads Obama by a margin of 48-43 percent, with 8 percent still undecided.)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34246.html
sittin in a bush
knock em on da head
give em a push
'Meet The Press" Crowd Aghast at Clinton's 'Nuclear Umbrella"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/20/102642/...
the Times needs a cable news station of their own to make sure these stories get attention.Murdock has FOX and all the conservatives who go on all the shows to flog his stories: Rev, Wright, lapel pins etc..
The Times, if it wants to survive, needs to merge with CBS and take over the news or buy CNN.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Nervy of them to poke the nest of our National Bidness: Warmaking in all its Glory, plus Accessories. It's where the only money's being made these days. The ultra-rich don't like their nests poked, but the article has a sniff of mea culpa because the NYT's cred is in the shitter.
So comfortable with the banality of their utter depravity, the soft greed machines running the country don't deserve to continue, you know.
These unethical pricks deserve to lose their reputations, their credibility, AND THEIR WAR PROFITS. Bunch of pathetic profiteers who never questioned anything, until the wind changed. Profits over people uber alles - what a creed!
FUCK 'EM.
Minimally, they should be asking anyone appearing on their shows about conflicts of interest. As you said to Howie, nobody has even asked you if you were paid by Obama or anyone else. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
NYMag, Daily Intel:
"John Aravosis thinks Dean realized after Wednesday's debate that the media is now willing to join Clinton in attacking Obama, and that Dean has had enough." Dan Amira
scroll down through other good superdelegate links
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04/superdeleg...
Talking to ourselves. Americans are increasingly close-minded and unwilling to listen to opposing views.
Susan Jacoby, LAT
"As dumbness has been defined downward in American public life during the last two decades, one of the most important and frequently overlooked culprits is the public's increasing reluctance to give a fair hearing -- or any hearing at all -- to opposing points of view."
[...]
"When I recently spoke about the militant parochialism of American intellectual life on a radio talk show, a caller responded by telling me that there was nothing new about Americans preferring to bask in the reflected glow of their own opinions. Talk radio and political blogs, in his view, are merely the modern equivalent of friends -- and haven't we always chosen friends who agree with us?
Well, no. Tell it to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, who certainly had many, often bitter disagreements about politics and whose correspondence nevertheless leaps off the page as an example of the illumination to be derived from exchanges of ideas between friends who respect each other even though they do not always share the same opinions.
"You and I ought not to die, before we have explained ourselves to each other," Adams wrote Jefferson in 1815."
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinio...
http://nymag.com/news/politics/2008/electopedia/A guide to (almost) everything there is to know about presidential candidates John McCain, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, from the important issues (Best Speech) to the really important issues (Hairstyle).
On the topic "How They Did In College," this:
"After she lost the election for high-school president, Hillary presumably spent the next four years plotting her political comeback, which culminated in 1968 with her ascending to senior-class president at Wellesley."
http://nymag.com/news/politics/2008/electopedia/
From Progressives Rising - 2008: A Sea-Change Election:
"This year has the potential to be not simply a change election, as conventional wisdom suggests, but a sea-change election, one that marks the end of the conservative era that has dominated our politics over the past three decades and the beginning of a new progressive reform."
http://assets.ourfuture.org/documents/pro_20080...
From The Decline of Conservatism, Stan Greenberg:
"Based on polling from a variety of sources, this report concludes that the conservative ideology is losing favor with the American public and that progressive approaches on such issues as the social safety net, government regulation and foreign policy are increasingly popular."
http://assets.ourfuture.org/documents/con_20080...