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AMERICAblog: NYT: Secret Obama health care strategy of doing nothing wins the day

  • nancy50 · 3 months ago
    I think Obama's definition of healthcare reform and my definition of healthcare reform are vastly different. His definition is to just fix the preexisting conditions exemption and to insure more people ( I won't say universal, because it won't be). My definition includes the preexisting condition, universal coverage for everyone and to lower the obscene costs that we pay, for inferior service. He will sign a bill called health care reform and he will call it historic, but he is squandering a unique opportunity to actually fix the problem. He is like the high school kid who joins every club because it looks good on his resume, but there is no depth to his involvement.
  • John Aravosis · 3 months ago
    Exactly. He's acting as if the current system works, and all we need do is getting everyone into it. We're acting under the assumption that the current system is broken, and adding more people to a bad system simply forces them to pay, as we do, for high premiums and low benefits.
  • Benhem612 · 3 months ago
    Yeah I was kind of hoping that I would be able to go through my life with the ease of mind that if my family members develop debilitating conditions I can take care of them and will be able to provide food and a house for them.

    It is interesting that the insurance industry is not required to take the hypocratic oath along with the Drs. who cure our sick.
    *Insert random hypocratic / hypocritic oath joke here*

    I really am not relishing the following scenario:
    Me: :Jimmy how is your leg doing?"
    Jimmy: "It is great dad the dr did a bang up job fixing it"
    Me: "Great now use it to find us a new cardboard hut and shoe leather to boil"
  • SouthernYankee · 3 months ago
    Oh on healthcare so far Obama hasn't showed us anything and frankly I don't give a damn anymore. I have done what the bloggers asked us to do. I have signed many petitions and called many in congress. Yet I feel we have been played. I got news for you. NO MORE. Unless we get more Grayson's, Sanders, Weiner's democrats we are being used. Ain't going to happen any longer. Obama no more money. Congress no more money, and senators no more money. NO MORE
  • superstition · 3 months ago
    The sad joke that's masquerading as a public option is part of the plan.

    What better way to prove the "moderate" Dems and Republicans right than by including a crap 2% public option that will not be tied to Medicare rates and will only include a small number of sick people (and thus have almost no bargaining power and higher tax-payer funded rates)?
  • superstition · 3 months ago
    The Dems will be able to pretend that they're fighting the good fight for the public by including this crap option, too.
  • FunMe · 3 months ago
    The Democrats are pretty transparent, aren't they?

    And they think we're not on to them. Yeah right.
  • sonofloud · 3 months ago
    Well, Obama won the Noble peace prize for doing nothing.....
  • FunMe · 3 months ago
    Good catch!

    Looks like a pattern.
  • Chris From Maine · 3 months ago
    um.. we havent saved the day.

    single payer is not even under discussion, public option will get filibustered in the Senate, and the "public option" has been watered down so much its barely worth even passing it.

    if thats winning I'd hate to see losing.
  • lilliannerose · 3 months ago
    So what happens in 2012? Third Party? Don't Vote? Ultimately the question will be if we want the Repubs in name, back in? I can just see the other shoe dangling off the inner most toe - something has to drop. I can forsee a rally arund a third party "moderate" by the disenfranchised - it may be a good thing.
  • Griffon · 3 months ago
    "So what happens in 2012? Third Party? Don't Vote?"

    This explains precisely why neither party is afraid of the constituency.

    And they need to be afraid. They need to worry over their own hubris. Be creative.
  • Indigo · 3 months ago
    A vote for change is a vote for Ralph Nader.
  • ndtovent · 3 months ago
    Sorry, but we need more mentally stable progressive candidates who actually care more about the voters they represent than their own self-serving, narrow agendas. Nader just doesn't pass muster.
  • leliorisen · 3 months ago
    Actually, thanks to Nader, a vote for him turned into 8 years of George Bush.

    I will never give that egomaniac the time of day.

    I would support a 3rd party that embodied progressives in the Kucinich/Feingold/Sanders mold. That could be used by progressives as a significant bargaining chip, not necessarily as a way for the GOP to snake back into power.

    But Nader? I won't even listen to his voice.
  • Butch1 · 3 months ago
    Yes, it beats listening to the democrats exclaim: "Who else are you gonna vote for?" They need to have that smirk wiped from their mouths, if we can only get our act together.
  • Griffon · 3 months ago
    Obama; the very definition of 'Loitering Glory-Poacher.'

    or, just plain dishonest, craven, political opportunist S.O.B.

    -the very type we were led to believe we were voting against.
  • superstition · 3 months ago
    Hey, he's got Geithner and Summers on board! Surely something good will come of it.

    The thing that really hurt the Obama administration's chances of real reform, though, was when Judd Gregg pulled out of the nomination process.
  • Griffon · 3 months ago
    I was convinced 'reform' was a fraudulent buzzword to gull likely voters when I saw the handsome democratic convention totebag.

    Via Greenwald:

    What's most striking about the Convention bag -- aside, of course, from its stunning design -- is how the parties no longer bother even trying to hide who it is who funds and sponsors them. But -- an earnest citizen might object -- just because AT&T is helping to pay for the Democrats' convention and having its logo plastered all over it the way a ranch owner brands his cattle doesn't mean that they will receive any special consideration when it comes time for Congress to debate and pass our nation's laws.


    Thanks to the internet and dedicated bloggers like John and Glenn, we're increasingly 'in on the joke,' and we aren't laughing.
  • vkobaya · 3 months ago
    Ooga booga! Abra cadabra! Hocus pocus! Magic, magic! Public option, public option! Appear!

    Oh yeah, I believe. Oops! Did any check Obama's sleeves? Couldn't have sleeves, he's got no clothes. Parcel of shit!!! We saw this exact same criminal shit for the last 9 years.
  • synical · 3 months ago
    President Bystander's plan "worked" because Corporate America will be happy with the final result. If Corporate America is happy with it regular Americans are probably screwed. The beating consumers had to take from the credit card companies in response to weak, "reforms" is what Americans have to look forward to while this weak "reform" goes into effect. Thanks ever so much, Mr. President. Nice to know you save your fierce advocacy for only those who don't need it.

    Expect more of this media cheerleading from the Village since the Obama/Goldman Sach's administration has openly declared its corporate loyalty on the backs of the poor and middle class. Just continuing the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush legacy of "helping" by hurting the working class Americans. Also expect more kabuki tough talk followed by major bystanding.

    Let's face it--it's hard work doing anything other than taking administration dictation, or on the flipside (Fox) making shit up. Journalism is dead.

    But never fear, I'm sure tomorrow they'll be talking about the major rebuke to Obama's "socialist" (Ha!) policies when some of the races fall to the Republicans. And the administration will respond to this rebuke by moving ever rightward. Been there, done that.
  • caphillprof · 3 months ago
    America's first pathetic president.
  • NotTimothyGeithner · 3 months ago
    I think he is our Prozac President. At the end of the day, he's a pill that doesn't really work. Everyone thought he would make the sun rise, and some people think he does just that.
  • Griffon · 3 months ago
    Placebo president?

    Great expectations, enormous hype, but in the end just an ineffective sugar pill.
  • Butch1 · 3 months ago
    And we are part of his "double-blind" study.
  • NotTimothyGeithner · 3 months ago
    If one goes with a brand name drug of some sort, then it takes into account Obama's celebrity status and branding efforts during the campaign. He trademarked hope, right?
  • Griffon · 3 months ago
    "ObamaRx" Helps you lose interest when you want performance.

    ObamaX: When the 'time is right,' it helps you to sleep instead.
  • NotTimothyGeithner · 3 months ago
    I just hope he doesn't do pharma commercials in the future now.
  • Butch1 · 3 months ago
    And those people are employed at the White House.
  • dad · 3 months ago
    uncanny
  • Indigo · 3 months ago
    This administration is turning into bad fiction. For reasonably good fiction, ABC is retrofitting the sci-fi alien invasion adventure V starting Tuesday evening.

    Not to be outdone, SyFy channel is broadcasting every episode of the 1983 version of V. It's fun, all those hair styles we've left behind! And it helps dodge every issue before us today.

    The aliens brought health care for the whole world. But then it turns out they look like canibal frogs and eat healthy people.

    No politics there! Talk about a secret strategy! Hah! Gottaluvit!
  • larryv · 3 months ago
    Well lets not get ahead of ourselves....after all...it has NOT passed as yet. Nothing . So the NYT and the brain trust up Pa Avenue need to put there peckers back in there pants and just wait a bit. Besides...might want to also consider that what crap your strategy passes may not pass the sniff test out here in voter land.
  • Kathy · 3 months ago
    Grasshopper; choosing the path of non-action isn't the same as letting events overtake you.
  • Benhem612 · 3 months ago
    My god I posted a sarcastic message similar to that NYT article some time ago thinking that it would be absurd if he got the credit.

    I still think it is absurd and I am extremely disheartened. I cant wait for the articles proclaiming Obama's genius in dealing with civil rights.

    In the end I am happy something is getting passed but what could have been both quicker, more cost effective, and allow OBama to go down in history with FDR will now be empty and a point of contention. He sold lasting greatness for current praise.
  • Butch1 · 3 months ago
    What bothers me is that the "mandatory" health care side of the equation is strong whilst the "public option" side is going to be weak. This is not good bargaining by our side by a long shot. Aren't there any horse-traders left in Congress?
  • skeeball · 3 months ago
    i think we are ignoring the possibility that this white house doesn't actually believe in anything aside from having people like them
  • Keori · 3 months ago
    i think we are ignoring the possibility that this white house doesn't actually believe in anything aside from having corporate interests like them

    Fixed it for you.
  • thegayspecies · 3 months ago
    "Don't count the chicks before they hatch," states the adage. The "public option" is D.O.A., on life support, lest partisans think Pelosi and Reid are Republicans; their plan is best for Big Pharma and Big Insurance -- just like Medicare Part D, which they supported.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 3 months ago
    I think Obama should get credit for felling all the trees in the Sahara Desert. Move over, Paul Bunyon.

    But seriously, liberals shouldn't mind playing Cyrano de Bergerac and letting O get the credit as long as he doesn't try to pull this shit again.
  • csnet · 3 months ago
    "Getting something passed" is NOT the same as health care reform. The House and Senate bills in their current form are a massive giveaway to the insurance industry, and will continue to increase the per capita cost of health care in the U.S.

    I have been writing to encourage the 70 or so progressives to stand firm and let the leadership know publicly, once again, that all 70 will vote NO if this pig makes it to the floor for a vote.

    Hey DLC and White House, where are you going to get the votes to pass a bill without the support of the 70 or so progressives you take for granted?



  • ezpz · 3 months ago
    This is the same NYT that just called Grayson a "Wingnut"

    "Alan Grayson, the Liberals’ Problem Child"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/weekinreview/...
  • FunMe · 3 months ago
    OH, they can write whatever nonsense.

    This is proving that Grayson is a problem for the republiCONs. They are scared of him.

    I love it!
  • ezpz · 3 months ago
    Yes, he's a problem for the Republicans. I love how they backed off the second he stood up to them, which was immediately..

    But in a way, the author is somewhat right, but for different reasons. He may be a problem for Democrats because he exposes them by contrast to him. HE'S the REAL Democrat. Sadly, most of the others are DINOs or at the very least, they are owned by and operate to serve the special interests.
  • Kage no Kami · 3 months ago
    Agreed, I voted for the man, but all in all he's been disappointing in how ineffectual he's been.
  • vkobaya · 3 months ago
    Yep! I voted for him too. I lost.
  • FunMe · 3 months ago
    It truly is sad how Obama could be a GREAT President, but he's turning out to be just another typical politician.

    Will we ever get the great ones like Roosevelt, Truman, etc?

    I can't believe Obama has become such corporate tool.
    WHY?????

    I wonder what his mother would think.






  • ndtovent · 3 months ago
    Yeah, and I read about the final house bill which was passed last week -- that even *it* has a weak, watered down pos of a public option in it. Hopefully, what we'll get is "forerunner," or preliminary legislation passed which will open doors for a real public option in the years to come. I think it's the best we can hope for right now, as long as we have the democave party in congress....And a democave president.
  • ty242 · 3 months ago
    The president has the ability to grow a pair but his attempt of bipartisanship is a complete fail. And also, Rahm? Yeah he needs to get fired. I feel like I voted for President Rahm Emmanuel, not President Barack Obama. His speeches are fantastic, no one can argue with that, but putting those words into actions, with the people he has surrounded himself with (ex: Rahm), ain't gonna happen. Will I vote for him in 2012? If he's the only other choice, I will. Every vote counts. Unless of course Grayson and Weiner as his running mate (or vice versa) run as Independents.
  • mariabustillos · 3 months ago
    I don't understand how you guys feel you've "been played" when from the first moment Obama said that it would be the PEOPLE who would make the change. Try listening to his inauguration speech. What you saw is what you got. I can't believe the spinelessness and the whining I am hearing. Well here is one Obama supporter who knew what she was getting into and is thrilled to have the chance to fight the way we were clearly asked to FROM THE BEGINNING.

    I am sorry Mr. Aravosis--I am a fan of yours--but really. Do you really think that a President who took the ham-fisted railroading bullying approach would have done any better. That would be no.

    I personally had more than enough of that during the Bush administration.
  • dula · 3 months ago
    Doormat. Obama refuses to even meet "The People" halfway. He's either a coward or a Corporatist.