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AMERICAblog: NYT: US was literally days away from a complete financial meltdown

  • snowbird42 · 1 year ago
    Didnt they want to get the mess past the election and it just didnt work.
  • evan_la · 1 year ago
    Heh. The only bright spot for me. Ugly mess, but it happened on Bush's watch. There's your legacy Shrub, you cocky arrogant failure.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Like he gives a shit. He'll say: history will judge me favorably after we're all dead.
  • evan_la · 1 year ago
    Oh, that's right - he's a sociopath. He literally couldn't care less. Sorry, my mistake.
  • Traumatic · 1 year ago
    Holy Hell, this is a mess. I still don't think people completely realize that the Republican administration dropped the ball on this one. How many people in the general public know that the Bush admin could have prevented this?
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
    the GREED was so short sighted,it was really a smash and grab robbery ,where they just stole evrything they could put their greedy hand on,not really caring if the shaft in the GOLDMINE would collapse
  • bunnyjump · 1 year ago
    1) Can't wait for the debates.
    2) Want to see jail time/confiscation of assets of those responsible for this debacle.
    3) Want to see the American people get off their fat asses and demand, DEMAND responsible, transparent government from all political parties.
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    Whose to say we can't still have a meltdown?
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Exactly...this ain't over yet.
  • Maude · 1 year ago
    The Republicans started pushing the deregulation in the 1980's.
    After the Savings and Loan disaster (someone had to help Keating, my friends), the deregulation continued.
    This bailout is suspect. I don't see that the financial industry will be on solid ground after this.
    Paulson has no idea how much bad debt is around.
    Also this is so sudden.
    The only thing congress should do is shore up the FDIC and raise the amount to $500,000. Let people get their money out of doubtful funds without penalty and put it in insured bank accounts.
    Anyone else notice how quiet Bill Clinton has been?
    He signed the deregulation bills.
    If Paulson is so smart, how come he didn't see this coming a long time ago?
    I don't want to walk over the cliff with this guy.
  • brownamerican · 1 year ago
    You are right The effect of economic policies takes years to bear fruit/death.
    This started with deregulation in the 80's during the Reagan era. Now things are coming to a head (Even the surplus time of clinton carried on the deregulatory effects). The deregulation was motivated by greed.
    To use an Edwardian quote There are two Americas
    The Free market capitalistic america of you and me the people where if you make the slighest slip you will go broke . You are only a pay check away from being a Hobo. If you fail its all your fault
    And then you have the socialistic America of the corporate world. The world of greedy gamblers. They take the worst decisions but as they fail they are bailed out by the govt using your money
    The Capitilist economy is a sham and american dream is a myth. The myth put forward by the 1% who attain thier dream on the back of the dumb 99%/
    The biggest and the saddest thing is that the STUPID AMERICAN DOES NOT GET IT!
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    I'm gonna predict: If current gas prices stay at the current price we are headed for one nasty 3-5 year recession and thats if Obama wins (I say he WILL win) and the country will collapse if McCain is elected. Without a landslide and overwhelming Democratic victory in November change will no occur. They need to slam legislation through with speed and that includes taxing the living shit out of rich assholes. Democrats need a 90 day list of undoing everything the Shrub has done.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    EXACTLY, 90+% for those over 10mil/yr for example. And if they don't like it, move to wonderful Dubai...If we become a poor, distraught nation, we don't need ultra-wealthy people walking around.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    FAILURE. REPUBLICAN FAILURE.
    top to bottom

    time to turn it around
    BOTTOM TO TOP
  • 4dogs · 1 year ago
    I read somewhere that Obama was starting to do some ads on Social Security and McIdiot's brilliant idea to privatize it. This is a huge voting block, and I think it would be smart for Obama to really go after this. Obama now has the wind at his back pushing him forward. Anything can happen, and nothing is over yet. But I think if Obama stays cool, continues to act thoughtful and Presidential, he'll win. McCain looks like he's having a melt down half the time.
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    yup, it is a good idea. McGrumpy is running a total fear campaign now. Every single ad I have seen in FL recently is talking about how massive Obama will make the government, and those crazy tax and spend 'liberals'. McSHAM is truly looking pathetic....the ads are so extreme, I don't think even the low info voters are buying it.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Hey Mark in Florida--please give us a report on the Jaxville rally--Obama's gonna fill up that park this afternoon! TIA.
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    Will do. Getting ready to head out the door, should be fun. :-)
  • frwlbrng · 1 year ago
    "Was" only days away? It's days away now. It's going to collapse no matter what the government or banks do. There is no money left, only debt. Trillions of dollars. This hasn't even touched the credit problem. Americans are completely broke, and their investments and savings are worthless. Only numbers, paper...no worth.

    This is the beginning of the dark times. Stock up. There is no plan anywhere that can stop it now.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    The dark times began with Bush's inauguration. This is just more of the same only moreso.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    republican failure costs U.S. too much.

    a trillion here. a trillion there.
  • jmcon007 · 1 year ago
    We should have known this meltdown was coming and inevitable during the time years earlier when GW's crew "lost" $9 billion dollars in Iraq and not one single Republican voiced concern. Not one. No one seems to care even today. And now everybody's a fiscal conservative? They've tried to 'drown the baby in the bathtub' and, even though they've failed.....they still walk away stupid rich with taxpayer money while the rest of the country suffers. Oliver North would call such a thing a "neat idea".
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    Wake up!

    George Bush has already raised our taxes . . . big time!

    Only, America has not yet received the bill.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Bush: MIA. Coward. Failure to lead and preside.
    Bernanke: Seeing 1931 all over again.
    Cheney: In his counting house counting out his money.
    Paulson: the American Theocratic Socialist Republic's Commissar.
    Palin: praying to the Lord for a good economy.
    McCain: angry cartoon chipmunk, jumping up and down on the wreckage.
    Obama: cool, knowledgeable, presiding over the wreckage presidentially.
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    Clearly, the Icing on the cake of the fabulous rah rah Bush years. Way to go Georgie. Is it January yet?
  • dad · 1 year ago
    the spend and fail republicans.

    helping themselves to you.
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    It's official:

    WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
  • Joneses · 1 year ago
    Pres. Obama, what crap you will come into.
  • Buford · 1 year ago
    The point is not that McCain is an 'economic neophyte' or is 'inexperienced' on economic issues - quite the opposite. This man has actively engaged in America's economic policy for a couple of decades now... ACTIVELY deregulating... ACTIVELY intervening on behalf of financial institutions at the expense of the citizens of this country. The near-complete meltdown we are experiencing now is a direct result of the policies he ACTIVELY pursued in Congress for years.

    McCain is no neophyte on economic issues... he's just horribly, disastrously wrong on economic issues.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    it is a matter of getting (y)our money
    into their pockets
    as quickly as possible
    and at any cost(s).
  • LeeFromHamburgNY · 1 year ago
    The sad part is that the rich ceo's and people with the cushy pensions still love Bushy and are hoping that some catastophe will happen and Bush will save us all and emerge as our saviour... The threat of Osama Bin Laden to destroy us by destroying our economy came close to reality this week. However, could some lowly cave-dweller be capable of doing this on his own, or are there contributing factors from within our own country??? The money that was "misplaced" in Iraq went somewhere, and is supporting someone... The dastardly deeds of the Bush regime that have been made public are only the tip of the iceberg. With Bush's dislike for McCain and his hatred for the Democrats, the ride is not yet over.

    I pray for the safety of Barack because it's beginning to look like the Republicans have only one way to stop him from reaching the Whitehouse...
  • dad · 1 year ago
    Hamburg, NY

    have family there, Lee.
  • osage · 1 year ago
    Democratic ads should be repeatedly run with a video/audio of McCain’s comment about running the Social Security System like "we" run the Banking System along with a video/audio quoting the comments of the economists who say that Gramm's deregulation bill led to the Banking crisis, along with Gramm’s criticism of American voters being “whiners”. McCain raised the issue of "blame" by stating he'd fire Securities and Exchange Commissioner Christopher Cox, so Democrats should let Americans know exactly who is to blame for the banking collapse and how the lack of oversight of the private sector led to this historic disaster. I guess Franklin D. Roosevelt was a great deal smarter and certainly had more vision than Phill Gramm and John McCain. Any American who votes for John McCain after this Republican catastrophe has a death wish for America.
  • ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago
    The Republicans achieved success in their long-term plans: to destroy the US economy.

    The response from we fiscally responsible Liberals to the intentional irresponsibility of the 'conservatives' needs to be this:

    1) reinstate every single FDR-era regulation that kept America strong and healthy for over 50 years (until the anti-American Republican Party de-regulated everything just so they could destroy America).

    2) Minimum mandatory jail sentences of 20 years for all CEOs that planned this (terrorist) attack on America. AND 20 year jail sentences for GOP legislators, like John McCain, that used their political power to intentionally destroy America.

    3) Asset seizure of every CEO and legislator that participated in the pillaging of our once-great nation.

    4) Any company that moves their HQ out of USA, or outsources more than 10% of their labor, is to be publicly branded an Foreign Agent and subject to high tariffs and even higher tax rates. They will also have to prove to that they are providing a beneficial service to the people of the US in order to get a business license here. Halliburton, for example, will never be able to qualify, and be permanently banned from doing any business in USA.

    5) Death sentence for all corporate entities that intentionally acted to damage and destroy the US economy. Revoke their business license permanently (and jail the officers for 20 years). Apply this rule to any corporation that 'outsources' their labor just do they can destroy the lives of hard working Americans.

    6) Reinstate the tax rates that we had in the 1950s and early 1960s on both corporate and human citizens, which were 50% and 90%. The American economy was at it's strongest in those years and no one had any problems paying those tax rates (those rates certainly didn't prevent investment in infrastructure or all those other lies the GOP has been making up since Reagan was installed by the first Bush president).

    7) Nationalize all fiscally irresponsible financial institutions and cap the executive salaries at 7X the lowest paid worker. Increase the lowest paid worker's wages to a decent living wage and guarantee the COLA raises at (true) inflation plus 5% every year.

    8) Stop all wars and bring our troops home where they can help rebuild America's crumbling infrastructure. Jail all executives of war profiteering companies and nationalize the businesses that engage in war profiteering.

    9) Divert war profiteering funds into rebuilding America, providing health care to all human beings within our borders, building non-oil and non-nuclear power sources and more efficient power transmission lines - in short, beefing up exactly that which makes our country strong.

    10) Reduce military programs to reasonable levels, and divert the trillions of dollars handed to war profiteers back into US infrastructure and support of We, The People. Use the money to buy back the debt that the GOP has sold - make America independent again instead of being owned by Communist China.

    11) Re-instate the Fairness Doctrine, so that the lies of Rush Limbaugh and the GOP can be refuted. Yank all Fox News broadcast licenses nationwide since they are propaganda outlets for foreign nationals who are known to be enemies of America. Airwaves now controlled by Fox will be dedicated to correcting the record of lies that Fox has perpetrated on the American Citizen.

    12) Restore our education system to what is was before the GOP began their dumbing-down plan. Critical Thinking Skills will be mandatory curriculum for all grade levels, and mandatory at all colleges and universities, with a heavy emphasis on using Fox news as examples of how to spot enemy propaganda.

    13) Re-establish international relations with all nations. Pass UN resolutions that the US has been inexplicably refusing (like the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, or the Rights of the Child). Dismantle the WTO and go back to the tax and tariff system. Comply with treaties we have already signed and ratified that are now the Law of the Land (such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty).

    14) Immediately release all non-violent drug 'offenders' to non-profit organizations that will train them and re-integrate them into society. Reverse all drug laws. Make gun ownership laws commensurate with population density. Train the unemployed and encourage companies to set up in high-unemployment areas and provide full benefits and good wages to employees there. Reduce crime by giving people a decent opportunity.


    And that's just the start. If America did this, our economy would grow healthy again and we would be a respectable nation once again, like we used to be before the Republican Party and their Democratic helpers intentionally ruined America.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    wow. thank you very much, great list. I would only add:
    - nationalized controls on banking, energy, transportation and other major industries
  • gumbygirl · 1 year ago
    I want YOU to be the President!
  • JustAnOldLady · 1 year ago
    What would Sarah do?
  • dad · 1 year ago
    anything she could get away with.
  • MNUSA · 1 year ago
    You know, I'm just outraged about this. We pay our representatives to actually take care of business for us. The country shouldn't have an economic collapse. Bridges shouldn't cave in. Bodies shouldn't be left floating in flood waters for days. What the heck are they doing anyway? There is no excuse for letting any of these things happen.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    You wonder how the Repubicans let it get so far and I wonder why the Republicans didn't let it go ahead and collapse. The Ayn Rand agenda is to wreck the government in order to demonstrate that the government has failed. That agenda is a success. Somehow, the AynRandians lost their nerve at the last minute and just before melt-down they changed the system enough to re- finance the major corporations.

    Those rescued corporations, in a thorough housekeeping, should have collapsed. What we just witnessed was a false flag attack on the economy that scared people enough to look away while a fresh set of economic supports were poured into the trough that feeds the Plutocrats. The public doesn't own a thing here, this is not socialism for anybody, it's just feeding time at Animal Farm.
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    I hate to even state it out loud, but articles like this make me think that there's sure to a run on the banks, possibly before the election. If that happens, Bush could declare martial law and suspend the election. He could also do it AFTER the election, if he doesn't like the results. What do you think? Am I wearing a tinfoil hat?
  • lilyannerose · 1 year ago
    Think the cause could have anything to do with Cheney's orders to the Congressional Repugs to take the partisanship to toxic levels? The last 12 years have been nothing but got cha moments in Congress with the last eight years having to be historically the worst displays of partisan politicss, Is there really any need to ask how this crap happened? The door to the hen house wasn't left open, the hen house was dismantled.
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    yeah, days away from a meltdown that the idiots in D.C. knew about over a year ago. Paulson just submitted his bailout plan for 700 Billion which wil raise our national debt to over 11.3 TRILLION dollars. This is insane.
    If you don't write to your Congressmen and Senators they will just walk over you by giving them the impression you don't care what the outcome is. I would especially target Senator Dodd, Senator Schumer and don't forget Senator Bunning who asked where all this money for the bailouts was coming from when Paulson came begging hat in hand to bail out Fannie and Freddie. Don't let this garbage legislation go forward without comment to your repsective representatives especially the three mentioned. It's too close to the election to let this one slip by.
    Here are the urls...http://www.senate.gov/
    http://www.house.gov/
    Remember, you get the government you vote for. Tell these fools they are on notice and the election is only 7 weeks away. it's time to get the Fed as well as private enterprise off the tax payers back
  • kman2 · 1 year ago
    And tell congress what Mr. Hoover? Tell them not to bailout a system that is near collapse? Your "safe" money market funds might collapse if nothing is done, Your money might be gone. Your bank savings might be gone too. FDIC is not designed for an entire collapse of the system. Good luck filing a claim with FDIC. You home value will tank even faster. Good luck keeping your job. Even cash under the mattress might drop a huge amount in value if hyper inflation kicks in. A trillion D.Marks in Germany in the 1930's wouldn't even buy a loaf of bread (I'm am not making this up).

    I don't think you understand what's going on here. I'm 46 years old and i've never seen such fear in Washington or WallStreet. These guys are scared. period. The last thing we want to do is be in 1928 and think everything is ok while doing the Charleston and drinking gin. Ask your grandparents about the depression. Some of it was so awful they don't even talk about it, but it defined their lives. WWII didn't define their lives the depression did.
  • TomJoad · 1 year ago
    By the way...this "working together" because it was SO important....where have I heard that before?...hmm....where?........

    Oh yeah, after 911. THAT was also above partisanship...seems to me I recall though the republicans stringing us along on that, until WHAM...suddenly we were the part of Osama Bin Laden, we were weak, we wanted to leave Iraq in shame, and not "win", and...

    And they used all the toys they got by us playing nice, and I am convinced they use the wiretapping also for political gain. Every time Jimmy Carter, or some other supposed person of honor says "Bush is the worst president we've ever had" they come out two days later hemming and hawing about how they "didn't really mean THAT...but...gosh...you know...a guy says stuff and...you know"

    Just imagining "hey jimmy, you know we have telephone calls from you to...."
  • beltman713 · 1 year ago
    All they've done is just postpone the financial meltdown.
  • nikto · 1 year ago
    "Social-eezum"
    saves the day,
    because
    Wall Street Begged for it!

    LOL!
  • clytemnestra · 1 year ago
    How'd they let it get this far?

    According to Naomi Klein, it's been the plan along.
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/20/naomi-...