DISQUS

AMERICAblog: Obama admin rebuffed gay legal groups on DOMA, Part II

  • DanDeLeon · 5 months ago
    Obama, a farce advocate for gays and lesbians!
  • vkobaya · 5 months ago
    No, if it were only gays and lesbians, that would be one thing, only one tiny minority, but again and again, we have seen him throw the American people under the bus for the rich, wealthy powerful and connected.

    The latest is that he is not only not going to support universal, one-payer healthcare, but he also is tossing under the bus the public healthcare option caving to the industry that is profiteering on our sickness, suffering and death.

    He's also tossed under the bus our American soldiers who continue to die in those illegal, criminal, unnecessary wars in the Middle East, to say nothing of the mass butchery and slaughter of the innocent Iraqi and Afghani citizens, who are guilty of nothing more than being of a different religion and having darker skin color than Northern Europeans.

    And another issue that throws the American people under the bus is his coverup of the Bush wiretapping, even reserving the right to wiretap himself. Or the torture issue which he also again careful conceals that he is reserving the right to torture while protecting Bush/Cheney.

    What happened to his support of the card membership in labor unions? Not even a whisper. Been months since I’ve even heard it mentioned.

    Oh yeah, then there is giving away trillions and trillions to the fat cats on Wall Street, trillions of taxpayer dollars while doing nothing to restore our economy. Of course, it actually help the American people would be evil socialist, liberal, Commie and pinko. Damn him! Doesn’t stop him from being evil, socialist, liberal, Commie and pinko to the rich, wealthy, powerful and greedy.

    Wakeup! Obama is not only the enemy of GLBT community, he is the sworn of all common Americans, the peons, surfs, working stiffs, wave slaves, labor unions, etc.
  • fredndallas · 5 months ago
    Ain't it the truth.
  • rkwright · 5 months ago
    He never supported a single payer system. He only adopted that position to beat Hillary Clinton. During the debates he was hammered time and again for not having the public option single payer in his plan. He only adopted it to win the Nomination.
  • mamazboy · 5 months ago
    Do you see the insane contortions and endless problems that are happening for the Obama administration as a result of their simple failure to act on principle and start moving on gay rights? It's all so unnecessary. The culture has shifted; gay rights is not the controversy it once was; even Republicans are starting to embrace it. GET A FUCKING CLUE, Obama and Dems!
  • JamesR · 5 months ago
    It's as if getting in the Oval Office is like stepping into a timewarp or something. A not-so-wayback machine. This country was socially constipated for 8 years. Mistakenly believing that Gore and Bush were not so far apart, his batshit 'conservatism' paralyzed what otherwise would have been a smoother transition on this and other issues. Now they are ALL backed up. And NONE SHOULD WAIT FOR THE OTHER. Society doesn't need to be changed - it has done that already. Only the purported minds of a few backward looking legislators need to be changed. Starting with the one in the mirror. [Mr. Prez.]

    Where's that "Change we can..." what? Where's that majority party... WHAT??

    THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE PARTNER BENEFITS to the gay spouses of the victims of September 11. Did anyone DARE raise DOMA then? No. It had it's peak power in 1996. It is going into history. Defending it's presence especially so viciously and stupidly is insane and a waste.
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    that's pretty brilliant.
    "I voted for a HYPOCOLONIC of business as usual and all I got was this lousy semi-pro-gay Joe Biden event!"
  • thecrustybastard_blogspot_com · 5 months ago
    Nicely done.

    However, neither Gore nor Bush believed gay Americans were sufficiently human to marry. I voted on principle for Nader, who did.

    And I'm going to keep on voting for people who understand the Constitution actually DOES apply to gay folks.

    I've heard and considered every argument intended to make me regret that Nader vote. And yet, I still don't. I compromised that principle to vote for Obama, and now I deeply, deeply regret that vote. I won't make that mistake again.

    I hope that the gay community is finally having its own Birminingham Jail Epiphany.

    We need to make the point that it is damaging to have our enemies deliberately hurt us, but it hurts even more when our so-called supporters stand idly by and watch.

    We need to make the point that we have allowed every other constituency to get in front of us, and we are no longer satisfied with a promise of "we'll get to you when all the other problems are solved."

    We need to make the point that even though we are 6-7% of the population, we are also 6-7% of the vote, and elections are won and lost on far slimmer margins.

    We need to make those points, and then we need to promise to follow through. Our empty threats are no better than their empty promises.
  • DanDeLeon · 5 months ago
    Obama is TOO BUSY for teh gays. He has TOO MUCH ON HIS PLATE, people!!!!

    THE WHITE HOUSE
    Office of the Press Secretary
    __________________________________________

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    June 19, 2009

    Today, the President signed into law:

    H.R. 663, which designates a facility of the United States Postal Service as the Yvonne Ingram-Ephraim Post Office Building;

    H.R. 918, which designates a facility of the United States Postal Service as the Stan Lundine Post Office Building;

    H.R. 1284, which designates a facility of the United States Postal Service as the Major Ed W. Freeman Post Office;

    H.R. 1595, which designates a facility of the United States Postal Service as the Brian K. Schramm Post Office Building.
  • Ninong · 5 months ago
    Speaking of DOMA and DADT, one of the TV pundits today said the Obama administration had hoped to avoid these issues as long as possible because besides blowback from the GOP and the right-wing religious groups, and the Catholic Church, and the Mormons, etc., they know that gays issues are not popular with African-Americans and Latinos and they don't want to create a ruckus this early in their administration. The pundit didn't actually mention the Catholic Chruch and the Mormons, just the African-Americans and the Latinos.

    If that's true, that gives a whole new meaning to politics as usual.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Yes, because we all know that the black churches, the Latinos, the Mormons, the religious rights, and the catholics - oh and the republicans - will love us next year, or in three years. It's just absurd, their thinking. In a nutshell, they're trying to postpone it indefinitely because we're the low group on the totem pole. They don't fear us. Until now.
  • Ninong · 5 months ago
    True, except I wouldn't say "the Catholics," I prefer to say the Catholic Church.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Very true.
  • nessa · 5 months ago
    That is such a stupid analysis gays come in all colors shapes and sizes. What stupid pundit gave this analysis, sheesh.
  • Ninong · 5 months ago
    Nessa,

    I don't understand your point. The speculation being put forth by that TV pundit was that African-Americans and Latinos are strong supporters of Obama but not all that keen on gay issues, thus Obama may not want to upset them by taking on gay issues. That was the point the TV person was making.

    For example, Prop. 8 passed with 52.5% of the vote. However, a majority of whites voted AGAINST Prop. 8. Seventy percent of African-Americans and 53% of Latinos voted in favor of Prop. 8. Ironically those two groups came out in strength in November to vote for Obama.

    What does that have to do with gays coming in "all colors, shapes and sizes?"
  • One Butch · 5 months ago
    Withholding contributions to the DNC is overdue. When do we get to withhold our taxes and social security payments for benefits we will never receive? All these funds should be placed into a massive national escrow fund, and the interest used to pay for legal defense. The funds should only be released to the respective government agencies when we receive equal representation under the constitution. Payments should be made retroactively to all the gays and lesbians who have been ROBBED before us.
  • latda · 5 months ago
    I don't know about you, but I'm getting real close to stamping my tax form with "Gay Tax Resistance". Bright pink ink of course. It is a shame that Obama is actually bringing a cultural divide to our Country. Wasted hope.
  • vkobaya · 5 months ago
    I used get sick to the pit of my stomach every time I saw a picture of Bush or he appeared on my TV screen. Was so glad that as of January 20, I'd have a different face to look at. Thought it was the end of the sick feelings in my stomach from looking at our president. Was I ever a wrong. He don' look notin' like Bush, but da damn guy is every bit as sickening and nausea inducing as Bush.

    Also used to hate hearing Bush's voice on the radio. Now when I hear Obama speak, have to move very quickly to change the station, tune to something else, even static, rather than have Obama aggrivate me and raise my blood pressure.
  • BrooklynRider · 5 months ago
    I agree with you. I couldn't watch Bush without thinking he was a miserable asshole with no regard for the Constitution or the needs of Americans. I look at Obama and I see a wolf in a sheep outfit. I can't listen to him anymore. All his responses begin with: "As I stated many times before..." , "As the American people know..." , "My position on this is actually very clear..." , BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

    Paging Ralph Nader. Paging Ralph Nader.
  • fredndallas · 5 months ago
    No kidding...if you did a drinking game about egomaniac Obama...a swig for every time he says I, my, mine ... you'll have quite a party ... quickly!

    This guy gives arrogance a new capital A. Following clueless GWB, that really says something.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    Do you have a brain? We struggled to even walk out of a gay bar in the front door during the term of republican presidents. Do you understand anything about being excluded? You have no understanding of how we went through what we went through just to be here today.

    Do you remember the Reagan administration. They let 250,000 people die before they could say the word AIDS, because they they hated homosexuals. The gay community supported Reagan. No connection to progressive groups that voted against Reagan.

    We have a president, not a perfect president, but a president who acknowleges our right to equality. Acknowleges our humanity. He has made some major mistakes. He has been tone deaf to our needs, but he is far better than most. Push him? Yes. Demomize him? What is the payoff than a collective circle jerk about how much we dislike him. It might be cathartic to you but it does not work for me.

    Bush and Obama both make you sick? Obama is pushing for reforms that benefit our community --- healthcare, education, employment. Have we lost the fullness of the human experience? Have we reduced ourselves to a political construct "gay" that has no gender, no race, no socioeconomic status, no culture, no nationality, no agenda other than gay?

    If that is what gay means, it is empty. I reject it for myself . Call me a homosexual.

    .
  • rkwright · 5 months ago
    Homosexual-

    If we had equal rights under the law, we wouldn't need this reform you speak of. If we had equality under the law, we would be eligible for Health care benefits from our spouses, we wouldn't be allowed to be fired in half the states in the US, and I have yet to see him push anyone on any of the issues that affect us DIRECTLY, those reforms do nothing to advance our equality under the law.

    I really am sorry that you do not have any empathy for those who choose to voice their frustrations and anger in ways that do not suit your style, or that you do not approve of. Guess you should head back to the Mattachine Society, if we depended on folks like you we would have had no Stonewall, or any other moments of community solidarity.

    And I do not know what planet you were on during the Reagan Administration, but having lived in the heart of West Hollywood and San Francisco during that time, I am curious as to how you came to the conclussion we, as a comunity were supportive of him. As I recall he was the impetus for the start of ACTUp and various other rights organizations, he was our rallying point to express our outrage. Hardly the well supported by gays president that you claim.

    You have every right to your opinion, but to rewrite the history of Gays and Reagan is just crap.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    Walter Mondale, Reagan's opponent in 1984, received only tepid gay support, according to gay activist Urvashi Vaid in her book Virtual Equality. I guess we can debate the meaning of "tepid".

    I also lived in San Franciso during this time, and I encountered more log cabin republicans than not.

    Peace
  • rkwright · 5 months ago
    Yes, Mondale received tepid support during the election, but not just by gays, he lost by the biggest landslide in American history. And one could argue that it was Mondale's running mate, Ferraro, that cost him support, not to mention the entire Gary Hart scandal and Mondale only got the nomination because of the Hart Monkey Business. Mondale was not the first choice, as we all know now, and most of us knew then. He was a weak candidate. Also at that point in time, I do not recall any gay Organizations promoting Reagan over Mondale. You and I both know that the community was only in the early stages of creating organizations and that it was the lack of leadership in government on AIDS (or GRID or HTLV3 or whatever they called it back then since the name changed at least 4 times) that created the rights groups we now have. And Mondale's tepid support was more than the screams that Reagan had blood on his hands and whatnot. I still do not recall any support for Regan in his second term by our community at that time. The first election of Regan gay issues were not on my mind as I was in the 8th grade and had not yet discovered I was homosexual.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    Mondale had strong support (not tepid)from every progressive group, even though he was a weak candidate. Gays in California were enanormed with Reagan because of his celebrity, friendships with gay actors, and his support in defeating Prop 6. Also, many believed in his conservative philosophy. ACT up and other groups sprung up after he failed to do anything about the AIDS crisis.

    I agree, this rehashing of old history is pointless and unproductive.

    Peace
  • rkwright · 5 months ago
    Fair enough. But I do think you should understand that people do not always agree on how to move forward, and I hope that you can have more empathy (a good Obama word) with how they express themselves.

    The opinions of commentators in the deep bowels of a blog are far different than most of the voices you hear in the media and at the forefront of the fight.

    We need to have more compassion and respect for each other, not less. Especially at this point in time. Hang together or Hang separately as Ben Franklin said...

    And thanks for the respectful back and forth. THAT is the way we should all communicate, not the pissy back and forth of the earlier comments.

    And please, take back your GAY card because the homosexual card is so clinical.

    LOL

    PEACE BACK TO YOU, and to ALL our brothers and sisters in this struggle. Please, let us not forget we have the same end goal in mind, how we get there depends on us NOT turning on each other as we often do on these types of boards.

    SOLIDARITY NOW.
  • Indigo · 5 months ago
    This just in: The unsinkable Titanic struck an iceburg!
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 5 months ago
    Even worse:

    The Obama/Holder DoJ is today asserting that Cheney's statements to the FBI (about Plame) must be kept secret so "they do not become fodder for political opponents OR LATE-NIGHT COMICS."

    No shit.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    If Dick Cheney were gay, or a war criminal - well, that's redundant - they'd give him full civil rights.
  • mamazboy · 5 months ago
    We're careening headlong, at a shockingly fast pace, back into Bushworld. Your driver today will be President Barack Obama.
  • brat · 5 months ago
    As it has been said before, "No gay rights? Then, no gay money."
  • caphillprof · 5 months ago
    The hole they're digging just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
  • BlueJelloElf · 5 months ago
    Do they think we're idiots?
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Yes
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    At least, chumps. ( until now ) They have over-played their hand at cards, now watch what a "pair of Queens" can do. ;-)
  • vkobaya · 5 months ago
    chumps

    I have called it the sucker call that is, bird watchers out looking for the sucker bird and the call to attract them is the sucker call, "Here sucker, sucker, sucker. Here sucker, sucker, sucker. Here sucker, sucker, sucker." Obama thinks the gay bird is a sucker bird because the gay bird answered his call.
  • JamesR · 5 months ago
    (Yes.) And they think WE will behave the same way as before, just like they are.
  • judybrowni · 5 months ago
    A meeting! A phone call!

    Apparently, the Obama administration will go to all lengths to appease the pitchfork wielding gays and their supporters!

    We'll see.

    I'm also looking forward to the Obama admin shitting all over the House public healthcare option, before all hell breaks loose and they hafta make a phone call and agree to a meeting in order to hold back that tide.
  • TimF · 5 months ago
    I love how you can just make stuff up that hasn't happened yet and criticize the president for it.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    It's called a humorous PREDICTION based on current actions and attitudes.

    Seriously. You're not this dim.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 5 months ago
    are you sure? ;)
  • cgindc · 5 months ago
    I'm surprised they haven't tried to use the State Secrets Act to cover this up because as the argument goes it's embarassing to the administration and therefore has national security implications. After all, as KarenMrsLloydRichards points out, late night comics might use it.
  • DaveVentura · 5 months ago
    From the British TV show (a show that I think is good about politics regardless of what country you're in):
    "The Official Secrets Act is not to protect secrets, it is to protect officials."

    Also notice how Obama isn't showing who he is meeting with. Wouldn't look bad if he was meeting with Rick Warren at the same time he was turning away GLB?
  • vkobaya · 5 months ago
    Probably having a seance with Jerry Falwell.
  • Vince in Cedar Rapids · 5 months ago
    It is clear that this administration is worse than most republicans on gay rights. It is time to (as many have been saying) completely turn off the GAYTM. They need to FIX their WRONGS (I refuse to call them mistakes at this point) or they do not get another red cent. It's that easy.
  • TimF · 5 months ago
    Really?

    As trivial as they may be, you have more rights today than you did 6 months ago.
  • BornGay · 5 months ago
    Perhaps if you are a Federal Employee (but no health care and no pension benfits.....what's the point?), but how so otherwise?
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    A trifle, and only AFTER we got pissed off and turned off the money spigot!

    Don't be willfully stupid, it wastes our time.
  • aratina · 5 months ago
    I do? Name one right I have that I didn't have six months ago in the state of Georgia. Name it. I'm waiting...

    Do you understand that these so-called "rights" are piecemeal, divvied up by state, county and city lines and not at all uniform and sometimes fleeting? They simply don't apply to every gay person in the U.S., especially for those of us in the South and Midwest. Lawrence v. Texas is probably the most recent universal right to equality all gays have achieved (if you conveniently overlook the targeting of gays by "moral" police), and that came about in 2003, SIX YEARS AGO! No, instead of rights, we face rampant, publicly accepted/tolerated universal discrimination, that's what binds us together still today just as it did six months ago.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    In addition to turning off the ATMs this debacle needs to continue to make news. That may be what embarrasses them the most.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    Where exactly is the evidence that the DOJ is livid about the Plum Line story? Pam's House Blend reports that the DOJ meeting was in the works before the Plum Line story broke. Please stop the drama John. You are not helping our cause.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Sorry to upset you, Att General Holder. I've clearly been wrong about everything else I've written in the past week on this story, and that's why the NYT editorial page, among others, has agreed with me. So I can understand why you think the DOJ is happy that Plum Line showed them to be duplicitous.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    How exactly did Plum Line show them to be duplicitous? The meeting was arranged BEFORE the Plum Line blog. Also, Pam Spaulding agrees that gay advocacy groups were not left in the dark. Two lawyers did not get access. Is that really newsbreaking given that the DOJ is understaffed and still has a number of Bush holdovers?

    Again, what is your evidence that the DOJ was livid.

    I love the suggestion that I am Att General Holder. I am just an average gay person fighting for his rights. I don't have the income, prestigious or platform that you and the attorney general enjoy. I just wish you would use it more productively, instead of fueling unneccessary division and hate.

    Andrew Sullivan agrees that this meeting with the DOJ is a good move. What exactly are you trying to achieve by seeding seeds of hatred?
  • melchore · 5 months ago
    I believe that they are upset because twice prior they refused to meet with LGBT lawyers regarding DOMA briefs. If Obama was in support of reversing DOMA, his DOJ would meet with them. By refusing to meet, it means that President Obama has lied concerning his wanting to appeal DOMA since it is his DOJ.
  • TimF · 5 months ago
    This is just absurd.

    Since when in the hell does the LGBT control the calendar of the President?

    You guys are acting as though your meeting requests should trump the other hundreds of meeting requests that the white house gets on a daily basis.
  • melchore · 5 months ago
    TimF...when I was posting, I was regarding to the DOJ...not the President. I was responding to the post about why the DOJ was upset. I never said anything about the President's calendar.

    Now..regarding that. This President has found time to meet with many different groups and constituencies of the DNC but not LGBT. That is his right; however, it is our right to be upset and withhold monies to the DNC. We also have the right to question if the promises he made to the LGBT population during the campaign were hollow ones and right now they are appearing to be hollow.
  • DaveVentura · 5 months ago
    I suggest you read what you are replying to. This was about meeting with lawyers at the DOJ, not meeting with Obama personally.
  • rkwright · 5 months ago
    No, Pam's Houseblend reports that Tracy Russo, formerly the DNC Blog moderator, now at the DOJ, SAID it had been in the works. Note that none of the lawyers in this situation have said it was in the works and that they were catagoriclly told they would not be met with. I'm surprised you bought Tracy Russo's comments without any doubts as to it's veracity at all. If it was the truth, then why didn't the lawyers and groups involved say they were in talks to meet with the White House. Are you now, after 8 years of Bush's government lying, ready to just believe every little thing that comes out of the governments mouth? WOW. Such faith. I envy you, homosexual.

    here is the link to the PHB diary since you do not provide any actual support for your information:

    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/11572/white...
  • Radon · 5 months ago
    Oh wait, I didn't know that the country belonged only to African-Americans and Latinos. And the Catholic Church, and the Mormons. Nor that their irrational concerns/worries/private life obsessions were the only ones that counted.

    Maybe all of this embarrassment will wipe the smug arrogance off of Obama's face. I thought we had elected a mature adult to run this country. Guess I was wrong.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 5 months ago
    Gosh, extorting a US Senator?? Who'da thunk it was hard?

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Aide: Husband of Ensign's ex-mistress sought cash

    LAS VEGAS – The husband of Sen. John Ensign's former mistress made "exorbitant demands for cash and other financial benefits" through an attorney, an aide to the Nevada Republican said Friday. In a statement, Ensign spokesman Tory Mazzola said the demands from an attorney for Doug Hampton were made within the past month.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090619/ap_on_go_co...
  • JamesR · 5 months ago
    "Did Fox News out a source to protect a Republican Senator?"
    http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/did-fox-news-o...

    - More evidence for that than the dubious blackmail charge the police know nothing about...
  • judybrowni · 5 months ago
    I've read that news sources have had to backpedal on that "extortion" charge.

    Sounds like more Fox news fictionalizing to cover Ensign's ass.
  • JamesR · 5 months ago
    Heh - Who can say? Except whatever the real story is, likely we'll see most of it, bits by bits. Personally I do not want to rush it, I get to laugh more and more.

    Usually though extortion claims sans police involvement are BS and dangerous BS too as they tend to be easily discredited and backfire.

    ...Schadenfreude is sometimes not wrong.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 5 months ago
    and of course look at the complete bullshit the traitorous FIXED NEWS had to say:

    Ultimately, when they did follow up with Hampton, Fox News producer Tom Lowell told Huffington Post, they found his claims were not "credible."

    "We always evaluate people when they call into the newsroom in terms of: does this sound like its solid? Does it sound like its actionable?" Lowell said. "There were some questions here, so we decided that we would make some inquiries but that it wasn't something we needed to move on immediately. And before we could nail everything down and confirm this story the Senator had already announced his press conference."
    --------------------------

    If only they had done their job with the bush crime family.
  • JamesR · 5 months ago
    Yes, they found the allegations 'not credible' and then tattled to Ensign. ? Hmmmm. What's more credible? Not to do the superior dance or anything, but that's what you get for going to Fox "news." Makes the Moon Times seem almost legit. The humor is bittered by the thought of 'what if' in regards to their warmongering and Bushasskissing though.
  • usagi · 5 months ago
    Liar in Chief. Quotes are now no longer required.
    John, seriously, WTF are they thinking? These are stupid mistakes, and they know the media is dying to go parana on Obama.
  • Nick_Upstate · 5 months ago
    Note to Radon, We do need to wipe that self-satisfied, smug grin off Obama's face. How different is it than Bush's smirk? We had such high hopes but the man it turning out to be a guy who thinks swatting a fly out of the air is impressive.
  • Diogenes · 5 months ago
    Transaction canceled. GayTM is offline for maintenance.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    "Hell of a job yer doin' Holder."

    It makes one wonder how competent the "Keystone Cops", I mean, lawyers are over there at the DOJ.
  • DutchButch · 5 months ago
    Obama made the promises. No one else did.
    Obama needs to live up to those promises. He's running the Administration, HE needs to make sure his promises/policies are implemented.
    I hold no one else responsible but Obama.
    Period.
    Oh, of course also those pesky Democrats in Congress, but this, this pathetic DOMA 'defense', has nothing to do with them right now.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Yes, and I'm confident the crew at the DOJ doesn't make a move until they have filled Obama in on it. He did promise he would fight for our rights. One doesn't do nothing at all or start moving in the opposite direction if you are our "fierce advocate."
  • nessa · 5 months ago
    Not excusing the language of that DOJ brief but the Justice Dept better be independent of the Executive Branch, we already had the last administration loading up the department with whacked fundies with no grasp of the law.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    And they are still there and partly responsible for the language in that brief.
  • DaveVentura · 5 months ago
    The DOJ apparently sent out a press release last Friday evening (to bury it away) re-affirming the Obama administration's support for ODOMA:
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs...
  • ChrisSF · 5 months ago
    John, you don't cite a source for your statement that DOJ reportedly is claiming that the story is wrong. When did they do that? Who said it?
  • DutchButch · 5 months ago
    It's like icing over a semi-burnt and lumpy cake.
    Make it look good!

    Too little too late. We in the LGBT Community already had a taste of the cake. Nasty nasty cake.
    Icing won't do it.
    We need a new cake. One prepared by a professional baker.
    John???
  • DutchButch · 5 months ago
    Here's an upside though.
    Obama ran on the platform that change doesn't come from above, it comes from the ground up. (He may hate himself for saying so right now, but it's true. It's working.)
    Obviously, right now, we're having an impact. Well, mostly the impact comes from $$$ (Look at my name - does it look like I have any????), but the voices come from people like me.
    Regular ordinary people. Powerful!! We ARE making a difference, we ARE making the people with money and power listen to us.
    It's working!!!
  • dan · 5 months ago
    "... President Obama ... signed a memo directing federal agencies to prepare a list of possible benefits they might be able to give the partners of (* some*) gay federal employees ..."

    Do better Mr President
  • Jason88 · 5 months ago
    Lets not blame Obama for everything now. Gezz. Especially everything in the DOJ. Where there are still of a ton of Bush people there. People should be using their anger on the Senate who is still holding up several Obama Justice Nominees. Including arguably the most important person in the DOJ. The head of the OLC, Dawn Johnson.

    You want things changed at the DOJ. It might be helpful to get the person who gives the DOJ legal advice confirmed. Shes been held up since March. Not surprisingly she is a hardcore progressive. Reid has yet to bring her up for a floor vote. Thats where people should be angry.

    President Obama isn't watching over every little thing thats going on at DOJ. They are in fact suppose to be an independent body. But you could all help the process by pushing to get her confirmed. Yet you waste time jumping down Obama's throat. Get the important people in the positions there and things will change on torture and Equal rights. AGAIN. This is the head of the OLC that continues to be held up.
  • latda · 5 months ago
    Jason, can't all you paid bots get together and do what you are telling the rest of us we "should" do. Out of the way, Jason. The train has left the station.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    And exactly where is the train heading? The train is alienating progressive supporters. The train is alienating independents. The train is alienating African Americans.

    We have a real chance here - a meeting with the DOJ and activist lawyers. Yet, all you people can do is throw poo at it. There is no voice of moderation. No attempt to understand basic civics - the independence of the DOJ, and the role of Congress in passing legislation.

    Our struggle is like the civil rights struggle. But would Thurgood Marshall, King and other black leaders and organizations reaction with this vitriol to a meeting with DOJ to discuss litigation strategy. No, they would view it as a victory.

    Your hatred is making you lose sight of the utlimate prize.
  • nessa · 5 months ago
    I agree with you, I don't trust the DOJ, I heard last week that there were still a huge number of Bush holdovers. I don't like Holder he seems to timid, fire these people already. I have no idea what is going on over there. Look they have not even addressed the Seiglmen case, but they let that crook Ted Stevens off the hook. Unreal. Not to mention why they continue to cover for Bush and Cheney is truly pathetic.
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    This is where you "moderates" lose me. Do you think for one second that this meeting would be taking place if sites like A'blog and Pam's House Blend hadn't called Obama out on his lies? We MUST play as hard as we can. We MUST be vocal, we MUST demand our rights, 24-7. It's the only way, and frankly, I believe the only way to get Obama's attention. And hey, a little respect, there's no hatred here. There's a fight brewing and we're up for it. Deal with it.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    There is no hatred? Have you read most of the comments here?
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    it isn't hatred, it's anger. two different things.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    "Obama and his whole mob are a bunch of liars, he and the Democrats have gotten their last dime from me. His "I have might rights, and I'm not worried about you" attitude, has split his britches with me. Electing him just might be a bigger mistake than electing the village idiot Bush."

    That is a representative comment here. Please explain the line that demarcates anger and hatred?
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    it's a question of individual perspective. i don't hate Obama, but I am very angry at him, and so is this poster, who never says the word hate or hatred (nor have a seen that word used on this blog in relation to BO). if you construe that as hate, fine, that's your call, go on and hate, but I see it as pure anger and I might add, justified anger. But hate? Where'd you get that?
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    Do conservatives say they "hate" Obama? No. Most of their hatred is masked behind words of derision, contempt and disdain. I don't see the difference.
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    again, it's all a matter of personal perspective. if you prefer hatred to anger, that's your choice, your life.
  • mirth · 5 months ago
    Thank you, Will. You say it for me, very well, and I suspect many others here agree.
  • Antinous · 5 months ago
    You are full of it, Obama cares about nothing but his political behind. He follows the poles like a tree swaying in the wind, proving he has little backbone. I have waited too long for my rights to sit back and watch this man dilly dally, he needs to crap or get the hell off the pot.
  • Alexander2 · 5 months ago
    You don't sound like you are connected to yourself. You don't sound like you are grounded in any reality other than the reality created by those that agree with you. If you really cared, you would be calling for legislation from congress to repeal DOMA and repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.

    Scapegoating is easy. Activism is hard. I'm not waiting for Obama to do everything. Congress is a co-equal branch of government.

    Our own responsibility for our situation has to come into your play. Sit there and hate, or do something. Get off your ass and call congress. Playing into this pathology of Obama hates us is the easy way out. It's the cowards way out. Have a nice weekend. Peace.
  • Antinous · 5 months ago
    I have been off my ass and I have called congress, that however doesn't dismiss the fact that Obama hasn't done one damn thing for the gay community he promised. He has the power to stop the dismissals from the military "TODAY" without the aid of congress, what is he waiting for, and likewise you have a nice weekend.
  • aratina · 5 months ago
    I can't believe this. Gays stretch across every race, ethnicity, gender, age, political party, socioeconomic class, and nationality. Stop trying to turn our recognition of Obama's not-so-subtle-anymore homophobia into something it is not, please. The only one who is alienating others is the person at the top, Obama. Our refusal to be silent about it anymore is the train.

    On the other hand, you are right that meeting with the DOJ is a good thing--attending a $1,000 per plate fundraiser is certainly not. Dialog is good, pouring money into coffers of hate is bad. Of course, we don't want people who are not on the train representing us at this meeting. Our voices must be heard!
  • DaveVentura · 5 months ago
    WH continues to blame Bush, yet when a former Bush appointee pointed out that Obama could take unilateral action on DADT, it silenced the Obama people:
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0609...
  • Antinous · 5 months ago
    Obama and his whole mob are a bunch of liars, he and the Democrats have gotten their last dime from me. His "I have might rights, and I'm not worried about you" attitude, has split his britches with me. Electing him just might be a bigger mistake than electing the village idiot Bush.
  • nessa · 5 months ago
    Really, that idiot Bush was handed a surplus in peacetime and left with 2 unfinished wars and a horrific recession. Not to mention he let a city drown. He also let 9/11 happen by ignoring intelligence and hanging out on his fake ranch.

    Obama has not moved at all on gay rights but I would pause to say at this point in the early part of his administration that he is a bigger mistake then Bush.
  • nycwill · 5 months ago
    whatever Obama is or will be, he doesn't approach the Bush administration for ineptitude and lies and driving the middle class into the ground. so, that's something anyway.
  • Barney · 5 months ago
    How many times does the obamanation have to kick you guys in the head before you realize he's leaving you a trail of bread crumbs so you can crawl back. He's lied about a bunch of stuff before and after the election. His birth certificate, his client list, his collefe papers, his wife's college papers....the list goes on and on. You helped put him there. Mr Bush never lied to you. He hated you up front and clearly. The obamanation hates you, but pretends to like you.
  • melchore · 5 months ago
    Okay...are black helicopters flying over your house? You are not correct though about Bush. He did lie to the LGBT population (unless you feel that we are not part of the US) when he said Iraq was behind 9/11...that he would get Bin Laden...that he was a compassionate conservative. The list goes on.
  • Barney · 5 months ago
    Naww, I meant he never lied about hating gays and lesbians. The obamanation said he'd help you. Once more..he's a liar. now, you can go ahead and crawl back to your savior, boy-king obamanation.