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I'd move to California and get married, but Earthquakes scare me way more than Hurricanes.
1. Your marriage is performed at the Registry. THAT is the legal contract affecting taxes and inheritance and such. YOU ARE DONE.
2. If you wanna praise the Jeebus myth, or Avram, or Mohammed AFTER the civil marriage service at Town Hall, fine with me. BUT YOUR GODDAMNED MULLAH OR RABBI OR PRIEST OR MINISTER DOES NOT SIGN ANY GODDAMNED LEGAL FUCKING STATE DOCUMENTS.
End of the fucking discussion.
Good lord, wouldn't that be nice?
I have been saying the same thing for years and nobody cares.
Most of the people who are for the ban are afraid that the government will try to force gay marriage on to the Churches that do not agree.
Get the whole term Marriage out of the wording and just give all people ONE Civil Union at one time. That is preformed by the government and is a contract, everybody is equal. Nobody is better or worse.
Everybody is happy.
Except for the people who are trying to force gay marriage onto Churches that do not agree. But they are a very small minority thank God.
Get the churches out of the marriage business altogether. Marriage business meaning LEGAL CONTRACTS.
Congrats to your Daughter.
Mine are only babies right now but some day I hope they can find a good man (my hope anyway) I will love them whatever there choice is. Unless they choose a bum who hurts one of them. Then I will have to kill him:>)
our rule book on a failed institution anyway?
I will likely vote no on the ban.
Come to Sacramento. No earthquakes hear, no flooding either.
Just heat heat and more heat.
And a state that can never pass a budget on time...
but I am thrilled (and surprised) to hear of his rediscovery of courage and character in this posting. It sounds pretty solid and difficult for him to run away from (as he has done on protecting constitutional rights.)
There is little question that the country has had these last horrible 7-8 years because of (a) gay "leaders" insistence of cramming gay marriage down the throat of the electorate (b) the shrewd and hateful Republican scum that have exploited the issue to enormous advantage.
I never thought anything but political disaster would come from it all, but I was wrong on that point. We would have never gotten actual progress on legally sanctioned gay marriage in decades without what has happened, but the price the society has paid is enormous nonetheless. A mixed blessing any way you cut it.
John, as usual is exactly right imo. Much, much more has to be done to educate and persuade average non-hating folks. Meanwhile from the looks of it to me, Obama has taken the strongest stand we can reasonably expect.
Good for him.
Now, he needs to find his character and take a principled stand on FISA and protection of American's 4th Amendment rights and get over being a freaking scaredy cat. (An issue that curiously has gotten very little, if any, coverage at americablog.)
Said speech was written two months ago.
McCain's people are steaming.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/1/1785...
let's hope big O doesn't move to "center" (whereever that is) on this issue too!
still smarting from his FISA cower and not sticking by Clark's true statements
That is why I got out.
Equal Rights for ALL!
John is right with this issue. Obama can't stand up and say he
supports same sex marriage. it would be a rallying point for the religious
whack jobs. As the rest of the country sees that with s.s. marriage in Mass. VT. , and CA have
not lead to the Earth blowing up and all us being sent to hell immediately; perhaps they will be more receptive to removing some of the other barriers to equality such as the DADT.
Me? I'd LOVE to see our candidate support marriage, but do I worry? Hell YES I worry about it. Gay Marriage is one of those issues the large idiot votes rallies around. I will never forget being a poll watcher in Oklahoma and having people ask me "Where do you vote against the gays?" because they couldn't read. Yep, they couldn't read but BY GOD they could "vote against the gays!" (Vote against the gays, of course, meant stamp Republican) Our state Democratic party was STUPID ENOUGH to put Gay Marriage on the ballot and expect not to get spanked over it. The Democrats who voted to put it on the ballot thought they would be REWARDED by Republicans who wanted it on the ballot. SURPRISE! (not) our state LOST the Democratic majority in the house and senate, and the Republican idiot vote came out by the BUS LOAD to "vote against the gays."
I'd love to be more optimistic about the average American. Its why I supported Edwards for President. I'd love to thank the average working class idiot would be smart enough to vote for his self interest and elect Obama for President. I just don't trust half of America to be intelligent or progressive enough to understand and vote for a black man. Maybe I'm wrong. GOD I hope I am...
[Obama] says his call Monday for supporters to avoid denigrating military service was not a reference to Wesley Clark’s comment about McCain. "I think in at least one publication it was reported that my comments yesterday about Senator McCain were in a response to General Clark. I think my staff will confirm that was in a draft of that speech that I had written two months ago."
Also says Clark does not owe McCain an apology...McCain campaign accuses Obama of repudiating his own repudiation, and says, "Apparently Barack Obama now thinks that smear attacks on John McCain’s military service are fair game."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/1/1785...
This whole thing is just bullshit. There is nothing wrong with questioning McCain's service? Its not like the entire Republican Convention didn't wear purple bandaids on their faces to mock Kerry's service!
Rich rodeo queens are.
Of course I am against EVERYBODY marrying.
Remember "marriage is where love goes to die".
Don't forget that I was the one who warned you.
http://www.dependablerenegade.com/dependable_re...
He needs to publicly denounce the Amendment- I still have not heard a prominent Dem speak out against the this thing. Schwartzenegger is stealing all of that thunder.
Meanwhile in public, Obama's actively courting the crazy Evangelical vote by promising them money to teach them how to get even larger grants form the US Govt.
You promised me a pony, John Aravosis, but all I see so far is a broken-down mule.