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AMERICAblog: Obama signs order to close Guantanamo in a year

  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 11 months ago
    B-b-but!!! NBC's poll today says 47% of Americans want Gitmo to stay open! (vs. only 51%, a TINY majority, who obviously want to coddle terrorists, or--gasp!--send them to Kansas, where they will take jobs away from Americans and murder them in their beds).

    Why is Obama ignoring the will of the people, who HATE terrorists more than they love, or even have a basic understanding of, the rule of law?!

    The TV pundits are telling us that this will cost Obama the election in 2012. Day Two and already a dismal, terrorist-loving failure.
  • sukabi1 · 11 months ago
    TV talking heads had better start paying attention and serving THE PEOPLE... one of the items on O's menu is for more access / diversity in the media BY and FOR THE PEOPLE... by continuing to promote only the corporate / Washington insider agenda they are hastening their departure from the public discourse....
  • Alrightythen · 11 months ago
    Man, I can't stand that sensationalism/headline approach to news. They are so incredibly manipulative-- trying to rile people up & jockeying for position in the ever-shifting media hierarchy. Yesterday I saw Wolf Blitzer commenting on Jill Biden's dress & giving the low-down on the designer hahahaha! I figured that about says it all for mainstream American news coverage. The Situation Room is now The 'Fashion Situation' Room hahahaha!

    Talking about 2012 that way may just be plain old stupid. Obama's been warning you, preparing you, for months that he's stepping things up in Afghanistan. Taking into account how incredibly difficult & slow it will be to withdraw from Iraq and re-assign military 'resources', four years from now you will still be a country "at war" & I heard that Americans don't like to change presidents during time of war. ;)
  • Dave of the Jungle · 11 months ago
    "...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals."
  • truebluecoondog · 11 months ago
    OT - Okay so we KNOW the NSA stuff is what brought down Dan Rather but, I can't help but wonder if we finally have our answer as to what ever happened to Aaron Brown.
  • Gridlock · 11 months ago
    I fail to see the point of shifting them around to other Kangaroo courts if any 'evidence' obtained by waterboarding or other torture is considered admissable in whatever new legal structure the detainees find themselves in.

    It will just be shadow puppetry, a PR stunt.

    I want that clarified.

    NOW.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 11 months ago
    They still have to consider the "evidence" that got them thrown in prison in the first place. If Bush somehow did catch a real terrorist, we can't just let him go.
  • Gridlock · 11 months ago
    Bush and Co weren't real big on tangible evidence, otherwise they would have been more secure trying these people constitutionally.

    They were taken unconstitutionally, tried unconstitutionally, and most likely had information beaten out of them.

    THAT IS NOT ADMISSABLE.

    If the US system of laws and values is too shaky and weak to deal with people in an ethical way, then the US stands for nothing whatsoever.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 11 months ago
    Bush and co. weren't big in the constitution period, but in some cases, there was some tangible evidence.
  • CDS · 11 months ago
    Evidence? Roar... These people were caught by our soldiers wjho were just trying to stay alive. Evidence? Our soldiers didn't 'need no evidence'....these guys were shooting at them.
  • CDS · 11 months ago
    that was supposed to be 'don't need no stinking evidence'....
  • truebluecoondog · 11 months ago
    AND, Dubya probably knew what each reporter planned to ask him in his press conferences beforehand so he'd know who to avoid like the plague. If there were too many reporters riled up, he knew he had to put Bianca or the man whore out there to throw soft balls.
  • HereinDC · 11 months ago
    "OT - Okay so we KNOW the NSA stuff is what brought down Dan Rather but, I can't help but wonder if we finally have our answer as to what ever happened to Aaron Brown."

    And why Jeff Jiffylube Guckert Gannon Story didn't get any traction.
    Now we know why.
  • HereinDC · 11 months ago
    and how some of us got on the No Fly Watch List.
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    Good!
  • Bob Jones · 11 months ago
    Has Obama rolled back the restrictions on abortions that Bush imposed yet? I remember that when Clinton then Bush took office they both seemed to set abortion rights/restrictions to default party ideology immediately upon taking office. I haven't heard anything and was wondering.
  • Candia · 11 months ago
    I suspect they will want to wait at least until tomorrow because I've read somewhere that there is a huge anti-abortion Demo in DC today, as it's the anniversary of Roe v Wade. The fight over the issue will get heated enough as it is without the need to set a rather antagonistic tone right at the start.
  • liz_n_cats · 11 months ago
    Yes, they've bussed in thousands of teenagers who, based on the conversations I overheard while running errands, have no real conviction or clue.
  • matty · 11 months ago
    Hurray!!!!
  • unrepentant_expat · 11 months ago
    A small example of how business is done at Gitmo...

    Canadian Omar Khadr was accused of killing an American soldier with a grenade during a firefight in Afghanistan in July 2002. Most of the evidence against him is based on a series of confessions Omar allegedly made at the age of 15 while in U.S. custody at the military base in Bagram and later in Guantanamo. Omar's defense team claims that these are false confessions extracted under torture.

    The U.S. vs Omar Khadr includes Omar's first-hand account of the torture and mistreatment he claims to have suffered. Not only is there extensive evidence that the U.S. Forces were using torture in that time period, but a Bagram cellmate and one of his interrogators corroborate his story. One of Omar's interrogators was later convicted in the murder of a detainee in U.S custody in Bagram.

    http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/om...
  • foxy · 11 months ago
    And what is Prime Minister Harper doing? Nothing.
  • unrepentant_expat · 11 months ago
    The documentary does bring up the issue of Canadian complicity. And Harper is a lap dog and we know what he's been lapping!
  • Gridlock · 11 months ago
    Harper is like.. Bush Lite. A watered down version of a US conservative. If he could get away with more, he would but thankfully he's restrained by a minority government.
  • Alrightythen · 11 months ago
    Harper is a boil on the backside of Bush. He has gotten away with doing nothing because of collusion with the Bush Admin. Obviously Obama is just not going to put up with that shit and so Cdn Defense Minister Peter MacKay is already starting the backtracking. The fundamental problem for Cdn authorities is that Khadr is alleged to have killed an American & so, by both our countries' laws, American's have 'first dibs' on him. However, this case is an international horror & disgrace and precisely why those involved from the Bush Admin (including 43 himself) should be marched to the Hague & tried. Their legal wrangling that has allowed them to get away with the truly reprehensible events at Gitmo needs to be exposed for the bullshit & manipulation that it is. Regardless of whether or not it turns out that Khadr is guilty, the fact is that the U.S. government captured a 15 year old boy & has detained & tortured him & denied him a trial for 6 years. I recently saw a CBC documentary about this and so poignant was an interview with one of the American soldiers who was forced to torture a 15 year old kid. Despite the American soldier's training & support of his country, this experience has devastated him & he says he will never be the same. We all need to take a long hard look at the far-reaching and horrific effects of what has occurred at Gitmo as well as the secret American prisons around the world & hold the Bush Administration to account. President Obama just moves higher in the esteem I hold for him day by day. Real America is not about Gitmo. Real America is the anti-Gitmo. Welcome back, folks-- we really, really missed you.
  • cosanostradamus · 11 months ago
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    All talk, so far. The bureaucracy has a full year to come up with whatever. I'll believe it when I see something actually happen.

    As to the corporate media, who the Hell is watching that crap any more? If you do, you only have yourself to blame for their continued existence. You might as well listen to Reichsmarshall Limbaugh, and support his advertisers.

    Kudo's to Obama if he means it, and does it. We'll have to back him up, and keep him honest. Otherwise, business as usual will creep all over him. F*ck "the media." THIS is the media, now. Use it, it's yours.
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  • Hawk · 11 months ago
    Press Corpse are acting like

    1) they never heard even one story about closing Guantanamo

    2) with he signing, the doors have been opened and trrrrrist are getting picked up in jihad pickup trucks and are heading for the U>S>A!

    3) if we're not torturing people hwat assurances do "Americans" havew that they are safe!

    It's quite pathetic if you ask me and Gibbs better go back and study some of what has transpired in the past because this BS needs to be stopped in it's tracks.
  • slither · 11 months ago
    And just now CNN showed a viewer complaining that "These terrorists will get the same rights that American soldiers fought for! Everyone can agree that that is just not right!" Just another example of our oh-so liberal media.
  • SCLiberal · 11 months ago
    I feel like the White House is no longer the enemy. This will take some getting used to.
  • Verchiel · 11 months ago
    The sound of the right wing freakshow grinding their teeth into powder is the best thing I've heard in eight years...
  • gizmo · 11 months ago
    all gitmo detainees should be chipped with gps let free and monitored so if they are participating in terrorist actions or with factions deemed a threat to the US we are able to neutralize that threat
  • Hawk · 11 months ago
    Their so delusional they expect we're giong to be happy with the {Dinner Plate} excersize Rummy and Co. did 3 years ago!

    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/Document...

    Either way, you'll watch one of your elected representatives telling you that in spite of nongovernmental organization and reliable press reports to the contrary, the prisoners at Guantanamo are not just healthy and happy — they're being spoiled at our expense, living in the US armed forces equivalent of Club Med.

    Why? They've got the aforementioned chicken entrees (with two types of fruit), they've got prayer mats and they've got copies of the Quran.

    http://www.flakmag.com/opinion/shredder41.html
  • mirth · 11 months ago
    Y'know, I have to give you props. It takes a certain amount of fortitude to write such cold-blooded ignorance in a compassionate, intelligent forum.

    I understand your discombobulation as all you have hoped for slips away. But I can tell you with certainty: Life is much better in the light. Come out from under your rock and see for yourself.
  • CDS · 11 months ago
    I have no problem wth closing gitmo, but it sure seems to me that we should know what to do with the inmates before we set a date. I guess if no decision is made in a year, we just keep it open?
  • CarolAll · 11 months ago
    Closing GITMO is moral and just decision, and in the long run, makes the U.S. safer. Now begins the Right's fear and smear campaign. They are already citing a debunked report about 61 returned terrorists attacking U.S. troops. They are already screaming that the Obama administration is going to let hundreds of terrorists run loose around America. CNN's Kyra Phillips, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, and all the clowns at FNC are jumping into the idiot pundit pool. Obama has put a freeze on military tribunals at GITMO, is giving his team some time to sort through who is there and what legal evidence exists to find out which ones should be charged, held in federal prisons, and then tried in federal courts. Some foreign countries are willing to accept prisoners. Some state Senators are crying Not in My Backyard! Well, guess what? Federal prisons are federal property. They are built, staffed, and equipped to hold the most dangerous prisoners. That's what they do. Obama has been in office for less than 72 hours. These are initial steps. Give the man some time!
  • CDS · 11 months ago
    The simple reality is that Gitmo will never be closed....it will just be moved.
  • Tina · 11 months ago
    We all know that most of these prisoners have been help for over six years without charge. Where's the justice in that?

    Here is the link of an CNN's interview with Mohammed Iqbal who has just been released after spending six years without charge.
    <script src="http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/js/2.0/video/evp/module.js?loc=int&vid=/video/world/2009/01/22/sayah.pak.gitmo.detainee.cnn" type="text/javascript"></script><noscript>Embedded video from CNN Video</noscript>

    Now, had those people (we must not forget they are people with families) been accused of something at least it would have made it semi-okay (given what we've heard of torture claims and affirmations), However, most of the 800 detained have been there with NO CHARGE, and that is OPPRESSION and INJUSTICE and must be stopped.
  • coffee · 11 months ago
    Obama is smart on so many levels for ordering the closure of Guantanamo. It has been a long time coming
  • AdmNaismith · 11 months ago
    He's not closing the base itself, just the prison camp.
    That's fine, but doesn't go far enough.
    The land and the facilities need to be given back to Cuba and we need to leave for good. Having that there just means this will all happen again.