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EXACTLY.
Years ago (almost 19) when my company added sexual orientation to the non-discrimination policies -- the fundies were all over it and protesting that it would lead to the company adding domestic partnership benefits... which it did... and they were all over it again when that happened -- saying we were going to "destroy traditional values and natural families", yada, yada.
After those two firestorms, when we wanted to add gender identity to our policies -- some in management worried about "backlash". I pointed out to them that we were already firmly in the "satanic" column for the usual suspects, so why not go all-in? So we did.
Sure enough, there was a minor blip from Bam Bam and Daddy Dobson, but our management's reaction this time was, "You deal with this all the time? Man, we've got to do better."
So get with the program Obama -- this aint 1993.
This country has been completely Republicanified. Even the Dems are republicans.
My 17 yo son, a bagger at Kroger had a propane tank dropped on his toe nearly severing it. The workmans comp claims company (Sedgwick) gives instructions on where he goes to the doctor and what can be treated (antibiotics are not approved even though his toe had to be sewn on). Even though he is on Vicodin for pain they requested that he come back to work (5 days after the accident) to "greet and hand out coupons". They will not even buy him new shoes because "his shoes were used, not new".
We live in a wealthy are and when we tell our friends and neighbors about this they say "this is what government healthcare would be like"... no, this is what insurance company healthcare is like.
Not that Hillary isn't an imperialist warmonger, either. But the Republicans were more afraid of her than they were of Obama. Obama is turning out to be a bug that can be easily crushed by the Republicans.
say what you want about hillary. BUT, she's smart enough to know that the right-wingers are never satisfied and never back down.
obama doesn't realize it yet, but despite the knocks that he's taken from the republicans, he's still enjoying the honeymoon. give them another 6 months. maybe then mr. hope and butterflies will realize that he threw many of his supporters (including the gays) under the bus for NOTHING.
no one who voted for mccain in the 2008 election is going to be voting for obama in 2012. and lots of progressives who forked over money and time for mr. hope and butterflies in 2008 won't in 2012.
What will take him down is health care. He's going to capitulate on it and we will get something like "mandated insurance" where we are all forced to buy private insurance and then our premiums get raised and our benefits continue to be restricted.
Just remember, if it weren't for Ralph Nader and the Green Party, we would now have a Democratic Chief Justice appointed by President Gore and a Democratic replacement for O'Connor appointed by President Gore--giving us a liberal Supreme Court majority of six votes. We are STILL suffering to this day for that STUPID 2000 stunt, when, by the way, no one on the straight left ever bothered to ask the gay community whether we wanted to throw the election in a hissyfit.
The Greens would be no better than the Democrats. Instead of making gays take a back seat to health care; the Greens would make gays take a back seat to a lengthy environmental agenda. They are the party of straight environmentalists who intellectually support gay rights but don't really give a damn about the issues.
If the Democratic party is in such a shambles that a guy who can "barely get 3 votes" can shred them to pieces, your party has got bigger fish to fry than Nader. Yeesh.
There is literally no difference between the 2 parties. Whether you like Nader or not, he's right about that.
Obama appears to be to the RIGHT of Bush on many of his policies and is certainly more aligned with Repubs than with any "Democratic" platform. Obama worships Reagan for chrissakes. Isn't that a dead giveaway that he's not going to be on the side of what ordinary Americans want and need?!
We had 1 critic of the establishment in the last primary and he was laughed off the stage as an irrelevant cook.
Obama has dismayed me with his pandering to the right, to religion, to the military in the oppression of our people. These aren't the only things he's done, just the most personal.
My support for the Democratic party and this President have suffered grave harm. Had I money to donate, it would go elsewhere. My vote is likely to stray as well.
Be warned - it's abusive as all hell. And these are supposedly better educated and better informed people than the average American. After reading this bile, I'd cut my dick off before I'd vote for Obama again.
It wasn't just the right-wing bigots that made me ill, but the even more disgusting comments from allegedly African-American straight Democrats.
However, the thing I find most infuriating is that the Obama administration basically tells us to bend over and we take it and smile. How else to explain the success of last night's fundraiser.
I am beyond disgusted.
And, while I am at it...where is the coverage of the attendees? Where are the names? Wasn't this supposed to be a big deal? Wasn't the Blade supposed to be outing those in attendance?
John, where is the follow-up on this?
Nothing has changed.
That is why the Dems can get away with this. They know, when push comes to shove, the entire glbt community is toothless.
One term, that's all that type gets.
Won't the Dimocrats be surprised when we DON'T go to the polls. Where else are we going to go? At home, sitting on the couch, watching the returns and listening to them say, "But, but, what do you mean we lost?"
1) Oppose anything associated with Democrats. Good and bad are indifferent. The ONLY consideration is that it comes from Democrats.
2) Let the Democrats bargain their own policies down to weak, stupid half-actions that will fail by not going far enough to fix real problems.
Now we come to the pay-off!
3) Blame the Democrats when the weak, stupid, half-actions fail, because after all, they are the Democrats own plans. "Our hands never touched them. In fact, we said a loud and emphatic: NO!"
4) Pick up votes from a public angry with ineffectual Democrats.
It's all the Republicans have left in their deranged lust to returned to power, and they'll stick with it.
Ergo, reaching out to these people is senseless futility.
Don't be stupid. Marginalize them; steamroll them. Then when strong, sensible plans succeed, the Republicans are left with absolutely nothing.
That should be the bottom line for ALL gay's.
EVERYONE who supports equality should stop giving money until progress is made on these issues.
To be honest, it's unlikely I would have given much until the 2010 or possibly even the 2012 campaign is in full swing anyway. But when that time rolls around I will certainly be looking at the record on equality issues to decide who is worth donating to. If DADT is still in place then Obama and the DNC won't get a dollar from me.
i am done with the Democratic party.
OBAMA IS A LIAR. It was clear from his position on health care during the primary that he planned to throw ordinary Americans under the bus on this issue. He had a stupid unintelligible corporate backed health care plan. It was clear he planned to continue imperialist policies abroad by throwing billions at the war machine to continue killing innocent people in the Middle East.
But he outright LIED on his positions about LGBT issues. HE'S A LIAR. It's unconscionable how these issues are playing out with his administration.
we need to find a new term for this 'war'. how about 'holy-roller mudslinging contest'?
We are smart. We have lots of time to help with elections. We have $$$ money.
Did I mention that we have $$$$$ money $$$$$?
We have more money as a voting bloc than some others. And yet they think we are stupid. Guess what? The DC polticians are the ones who are stupid. They are going to PERMANENTLY lose us as VOTERS with $$$ money if they refuse to advance our civil rights.
This whole notion of "where are they going to go" no longer flies. We probably will not vote for the GOP. But it doesn't mean we will vote for the Democrats who continue to treat us as 2nd class citizens.
If the Democrats continue this shitty behavior toward the GLBT community, they will lose elections. And they will have no one to blame but themselves.
Oh well ... la dee da.
So how do we get community unity?
what i find w/them generally speaking, is an attitude of, "i got mine (my condo, my mercedes, my house in the hamptons, my much younger boyfriend) with no help from anyone. why should i help you?"
why pander to the 20% when the other 80% are PRO change?
Another fiction is bipartisanship, which in truth only exists when both sides of the aisle agree to sell the country down the river--think NAFTA. Republicans define bipartisanship as Democrats caving to Republican positions. Democrats define it the same way but won't use the verb "cave."
The problem with John's argument is that, if the administration were trying to avoid heating up the "culture war," then why in the hell did it go out of its way to malign and degrade gay marriages in that DOMA brief?
We not only do not have an apology, we do not even have the facts. We don't know how it happened and why it happened and who was with us and who was against us. The brief remains unexplained.
The "culture wars" are just another diversion and phony division to distract us while the corporatists rob us blind.
This country is going to be fucked until the 95 percent of us at the bottom of the pile realize that we're all in it together and that the bad guys are the other five percent who are stealing all our money and laughing at us.
Oh Pleeeeeezzzee...
You know most gays are size queens.
LOL
Will this ever change?
Not until Obama thinks it does him more harm than good.
So what's the best way for our community to make him think that?
I know what is not the best way......following the status quo and allowing the Democrats to treat us this way.
http://www.signorile.com/2009/06/barney-frank-i...
This is 'change?'