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AMERICAblog: Obama vs. McCain in the electoral college

  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Obama!
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Wait a minute, I thought (per Hillary) Obama couldn't win against McCain. Surely the map is wrong. (snark)
  • FunMe · 1 year ago
    "Not to steal the thunder from Hillary's big victory tonight"

    OK, that's funny!
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    I try .
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    Butbutbut...Hillary WON Puerto Rico.

    WON I tell you!

    This shows that island people who cannot vote in the GE support Hillary! She could wrap this nomination up by Christmas, promise.

    /snark

    Obama '08! Now more than ever!
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Funny!
  • KerrynowCampau · 1 year ago
    I am afraid to get my hopes up. I didn't think I had any left but this post made that feeling come back to life a little.
  • justndav32 · 1 year ago
    We have to work hard to make this happen people. Im gonna work my ass off here in Iowa to make sure Barack carries my home state. Others in these battleground states have to make this commitment as well. We need this election more than any time in our history.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    I simply cannot wait for Hillary's big speech tonight, oh sorry, I mean HIllary's big celebration, we will see if she has any class left.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    People in those industrial swing states are looking for a ray of hope about now.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Too much red.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago
    FINALLY!!!!

    a thread dealing with the REAL presidental race.


    thank god, I was starting to think we wouldn't get around to mcsame/Obama until October... thanks to what'shername.

    what was her name anyway, I've already forgotten... shrillary? shillary? billary?... woman in very comfortable shoes?
  • kimbutgar · 1 year ago
    Have you heard the rumor that they have a bombshell video out that Hillary and the rethugs are planning to use against Obama. They say his wife talks out against "whitey" and they are planning to use this to attack Obama and then Hillary steps in to take the nomination.

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/a-devas...
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    *YAWN*
  • RobotKing · 1 year ago
    That's been debunked.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Woo-Hoo!!!! Finally, some light at the end of the Bush tunnel vision. It's a good day for America!!!!! :-)
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Why is Hillary owed anything? The TV pundits (why do I watch them?) seem to think we owe her respect and to let her do it her way. This should be an important clue to Obama that if he puts Hillary on the ticket he will always be second to her. Hillary and Bill will NEVER accept that Obama won and if Hillary is the VP and Bill is VP #2, Obama will never be able to do anything. The Clintons will undermine everything he does.

    On the other hand if he does not put her on the ticket she will make sure all of her supporters vote for McCain. She ran a poor campaign and now the rest of us are paying for it. I still see her having to be drug kicking and screaming off of the stage in Denver. And Bill will be getting redder and redder and waggin' that famous finger at us.

    Hillary is to blame for all of her problems. But she is never going to say she is sorry for her part in dividing the party. She never says she is sorry for anything. She is a hateful person and she will not get respect from me.
  • Cpeterka · 1 year ago
    A new Vanity Fair story about Bill Clinton and Gina Gerhon

    see http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008...

    But not to worry, it's not going to rub off on Hillary.... Naw... No way. ..

    Bill just can't seem to stop the little head from doing the thinking for the big head.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago
    "But not to worry, it's not going to rub off on Hillary"

    Bill only does that with interns.
  • RobotKing · 1 year ago
    Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but I'm starting to suspect all the 'will-she-or-won't-she' craziness today is just political theater. I suspect the idea is to build things to a fever pitch to get the whole country watching tonight for a surprise joint appearance and 'now let's go kick John McCain's ass' speech or something like that.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Perhaps it's just remaining positive for the psychological influence while the voting continues.
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Is this true? Ickes is saying now that the super delegates who have come out in support of Obama can still change their minds. I am sure the Clintons are working very hard and threatening and twisting arms to make this happen. What a pair of no-good awful people!
  • debbsmith · 1 year ago
    We welcome our Republican overlords. All hail President McCain.

    With Obama as the nominee, we're doomed. I'm sure you'll all find some way to blame Hillary when he loses.
  • justndav32 · 1 year ago
    We are going to work hard to earn the respect and support of the Hillary Clinton voters. One thing the women who are staunch supporters of Hillary need to think about is the Supreme Court for starters. Obama is friendly to the pro choice position of the democratic party while McCain is not. Obama is also for the common, middle class people- McCain is not, he supports corporate interest over everyone else. These are distinct differences between the two mainstream nominees. Now if the women supporting Hillary want to vote for McCain and then see the Supreme Court take away a womans right to choose then fine. That will just be one of many things that wont favor the majority of the people in this nation.
    I know we have all had a lot of dislike for Hillary's campaign, but I do commend her for fighting for people who are poor and people who need help with work, wages, and education. I hope that Hillary will continue this fight in the Senate, and if Obama feels she can continue this fight in some capacity in his administration then I hope he offers her a position in the cabinet. I just dont agree with some of the things she has said, it doesnt make her an evil or bad person.
  • johnosahon · 1 year ago
    Even if Hillary "concedes" tonight, i STILL WOULD NOT BELIEVE her. I will believe it when Obama is SWORN into office AND hilary is NOT NUMBER 2. JUST SAYING.
  • interlude · 1 year ago
    as i said in here a week ago or so, i think Obama will redraw the electoral map...besides winning the blue states shown in the 1st map, i think he may capture the carolinas, nevada,michigan, and missouri....
  • kimbutgar · 1 year ago
    I did not post the comment about Mrs. Obama to be negative. It's just that when you read this stuff that the slime machine could be preparing it makes one nervous. Thank you Americablog readers
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    McSame will be defeated by Sen. Obama by historic proportions. Americans are tired of the lies, the death, the destruction of everything touched by the Party of Bush.
    Stand both of them side-by-side, McSame represents all the failure of the past, Sen. Obama represents the hope and dreams of a better tomorrow for all Americans. McSame represents additional revenue for the Glorious Military Industrial Complex and 100 additional years of continuous war, death and destruction.
    The choice is easy. The past or the future.

    Obama '08! Now more than ever!
  • kladinvt · 1 year ago
    To say Obama doesn't have a chance to win in November the states that Clinton won in the primary is ludicrous. Take Pennsylvania as an example. Clinton got 1.2 million votes. Obama got 1.0 million. McCain got 0.6 million. In Kentucky Clinton got 459,000 votes and Obama got 210,000. McCain only got 143,000 votes. Your logic is flawed.
  • DAB · 1 year ago
    A great site that analyzes the polls daily against the Electoral College votes is http://www.electoral-vote.com. For today, he shows Obama v McCain at 276-238 electoral votes (270 needed to win), Clinton v McCain 327-194 ... which, of course, has been her whole argument to the superdelegates, but that's as if the general election were today and not 5 months from now.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Now, if we just take care of the rednecks and cowboys we'll have it all. God willing, the GOP will be out of power for decades. Its going to be an uphill battle fighting neo-facist corporations controlling the news cycle - not to mention the Nazi style voting machines and criminal irregularities - but it can be done - revolutions always have their roots in the populace.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    OBAMA '08 ---YES WE CAN!!___XHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!
  • RenoAnne · 1 year ago
    I don't want to share oxygen with people stupid enough to vote for Grampa.
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    Great video. If it doesn't work, go to YouTube and search for James Pence.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1EXKLVgEx0
  • Bluestocking · 1 year ago
    I guess I have one question for those people who are still clinging doggedly to the idea that Clinton is the only person who has a chance of defeating McCain...

    If Obama wins the Democratic nomination...then where do you consider your loyalties to lie? With the Party? With the country? Or with Clinton? Because by the look of things, that's the choice you may have to make. We've already had to spend the last seven-odd years dealing with a megalomaniac in the White House who perceives his own ego as being more important than the greater good of the country -- and with all due respect, I don't see how putting your loyalty to Clinton above your loyalty to the Party and to the country makes you much different from the Bush supporters who support his agenda come Hell or high water. If you consider your loyalty to Clinton more important than your loyalty to Party or country, this *will* split the party and McCain *will* win as a result. Do you really believe that this country is in need of change or not? We won't get it with McCain -- that much is crystal clear -- and any changes we do get (such as the potential overturn of Roe vs. Wade, perhaps) are only likely to benefit a minority. Yes, Obama's victory against McCain is by no means in the bag -- but if you allow Clinton to split the party, both Obama and Clinton *will* lose. Is that what you really want?
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    B-b-but! I thought Hillary told us her new buddy Karl Rove had THE math for her electoral college victory!
  • Viceroy · 1 year ago
    Oh come on! This is ridiculous. If you think that the state of South Carolina, for instance, is going to vote for Obama under any circumstances whatsoever, you are living in a dream world.- it is probably the most conservative state in the union (60-40 white and Republican). Or North Dakota, or Monatana, or Virginia (just possibly on this one), or any of the states around Arizona, except for California. What have you been smoking? As far as Missouri, and Nebraska, go they are safe for McCain. Ohio and Pennsylvania are going to be close, but thanks to the widespread antipathy towards Obama among the white working class, which will not change no matter what he does or who he chooses to be the vp candidate, they will most likely go McCain as well. Florida? Well, big conservative vote in the northern part of the state, strong Cuban Republican backing, with older voters tending to go to McCain, and it looks Republican as well. To achieve an Obama victory the usual rules have to be suspended. He is going to have to change past patterns, and all this stuff about "young voters blah blah blah," doesn't look that convincing. In 1972, all the "young voters" were supposed to be all fired up for McGovern, not only wasn't that true - a huge percentage of "young voters" are actually pretty conservative,especially those who work for a living - but their numbers are far far less in terms of the total electorate now than then, and you saw how that one turned out. Also, please remember that polls always swing left (witness 2004), so McCain is probably more ahead than they show. You'll see some bumps for Obama, but in the end, McCain is going to win. Dick Morris said it all: "Obama is the candidate who can't win."

    Please remember, too, that in lots of recent elections large portions of a party have sat on their hands rather than support a candidate they disliked. This is what happened in 1968 with Humphrey, it happened in 1972 with McGovern, and in 1980 with Carter. I guarantee with the bitterness of this primary contest - a bitterness in part engendered by blogs like this one -lots of Hillary's supporters would rather have four years of McCain so their heroine can run again in 2012 than Obama. "It's not business, Sonny, it's personal!"
  • bren808 · 1 year ago
    Here's the thing - no Dem Presidential candidate is carrying Indiana. From what I looked at, it's minus Indiana and Ohio and plus Michigan, Nevada and New Hampshire. 278 to 260.

    Why do I say this about Indiana? They've gone Dem in a presidential election precisely once since '36, in LBJ's landslide in '64. It went Dewey in '44 and Wilkie in '40 (Favorite son, but still). Yes, three House seats swung in the mid-terms in '06 from GOP to Dem, and yes Obama is a Senator from next door. But as we used to say growing up, we were 100 miles and 50 years from Chicago; Indiana is the birthplace of the modern Klan, and those Dem pickups in '06 were by Blue Dogs. I'd love to see it, but if Obama carries Indiana, then throw in Missouri, Ohio and Virginia and the rout is on.
  • LawMichigander · 1 year ago
    LOL I would be VERY surprised if McCain won Michigan in November. We have been devastated economically in all demographics and have a strong African American base. I think the recent polling here by TV Stations must be flawed. I have never been called for a poll. I think they only call registered voters with land lines.
  • ffbuzz · 1 year ago
    Markos also reported that we would take Texas. LMFAO! Please, the guy is a moron!
  • jr · 1 year ago
    blitz McCain on every down
  • Rambie · 1 year ago
    I want Obama to win, but the polls looked good for Kerry too at this point in the game.
  • Measured_Response · 1 year ago
    Obama didn't win enough swing states or other states that do matter in the primary to beat McCain in the general election, that's a fact.

    Hillary on the other hand won enough swing states and states that matter to easily have beaten McCain.

    You are now hoping that Hillary's supporters will back Obama, it will not happen, Obama is on his own now. You will now see Obama has no chance against McCain.
  • interlude · 1 year ago
    Obama lost to another democrat, not to McSame.
    are you suggesting all those democrats who voted democrat all their lives and supported Hillary are going to vote for McSame?
    do you really think those people are that dumb?
  • kirkaracha · 1 year ago
    Democrats choosing one candidate over another in the primaries doesn't mean anything about how all of the state's voters will vote in the general election.

    In many of the primaries, the second-place Democrat got more votes than the first-place Republican did.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    What an assinine statement.
  • Measured_Response · 1 year ago
    $$$Is this true? Ickes is saying now that the super delegates who have come out in support of Obama can still change their minds. I am sure the Clintons are working very hard and threatening and twisting arms to make this happen. What a pair of no-good awful people!$$$

    Of course it's true, it's true until Aug. 2008