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Something happens almost EVERY DAY where we are realizing this guy sold ordinary Americans down the river-- the torture stuff, the DOJ stuff, GLBT issues, bailing out the financial CEOs, executive orders overstepping even what Bush did, Sotomayor the Catholic who would probably decide to abolish Roe, war spending and war crimes and drone attacks (we killed 10 more on Friday but not the intended "target"), the "green energy" coal price cap sellout shit, Employee Free Choice being tabled, immigration issues, his AIPAC support, ad nauseam.
He managed to snow millions of Americans. Americans who had never voted before in their lives got inspired by him. Progressives and liberals got inspired. Seniors and disabled and sick people who are desperate for health care before they die from lack of care. The guy's political capital was in the stratosphere in January and now he's squandering it away BY THE DAY.
The sellout is so stark, so obvious. And 70% of people wanting a public health care plan. We aren't going to get it. We'll get some version where it's "required" and we have to pay out of pocket for it and still get watered-down care from private insurers.
http://jophus.fileave.com/Drones.mov
The drones.... I had a discussion about them today with family. They are shameful. I'm actually trying to clip something out from the movie TOYS which is eerily similar to the environment the pilots work in. I'll try and do it tonight and link you to it, if you like.
However, he has no business asking us to stop fighting for anything. I'm gunna go check out those links you sent me and read a few other places before I comment anymore. lol, The state of affairs in this country are so fucked up. I can't even have a party without worrying about the democrats selling our souls the second you turn your attention away. It's like the Bush years but worse bc he was supposed to be one of our own.
Fucking democrats.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/4/749878/-...
personally, I like this person's response to this -
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2009/7/4/10358...
(don't skip fireworks - this will all still be here later tonight!)
Switch your party membership. Go Independent, go Socialist, go Communist, go Peace & Freedom, go anything - just get the hell out of the Democratic party, people. These guys are just as corrupt as the Republicans.
Maybe Jon Stewart will pick this up.
Party Platform says: "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the rights of individuals by government, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships."
See the whole platform here: http://www.lp.org/platform
The Greens are cappies, so I can't personally vote for them, although they are a start in the right direction on their platform.
The Socialist candidate for CA gov in 2010 is Stewart Alexander.
WE DID OUR PART! We got Obama elected with majorities in both houses. We gave the Dems the votes and the dollars they needed.
Now it's their turn. It's up to them to prove that they deserved all that by delivering. It's not simply enough for them to not be as bad as the GOP -- they have to DO something!
Best part: they pay the postage for me to mail it back to them.
All of those goals, he thinks (we can interpret implicitly), can happen WITHOUT a public option.
Still he persists with his little threadbare apothegms:
Half a loaf is better than none.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Ebony and Ivory: we must learn to give each other what we need to survive.
Obama lied over gay issues
Obama lied re-peat-ed-ly
Obama now flip flops on Health Care
Obama is Bush number 3.
Bring back..bring back, the 0-8 Obama to me, to me.
Bring back..bring back, the 0-8 Obama to me.
Feel free to add your own verses.
He's still quite rightly considered the leading figure in one of the most shameful periods in our government. When we abandoned our own principles because of hyped-up fear of the communist boogeyman.
I would have like to see McCarthy put away a couple more dozen reds. Communism and Americanism are incompatible.
The state is not an entity to be admired. Shame on you! hehe
They are feeling the heat, folks. Keep it up. Somebody or some group put Obama up to this announcement.
They are feeling the heat.
Then, turn it up a couple more.
If Obama asks to turn it down, do the opposite.
What is wrong with that fool?
dislike Obama all you want, but get your facts right at least.
Right now, in early July, 2009, I would want the average supporter of Obama to ascertain what it is that the President's done (not what he said) that is clearly a realization of any of his campaign promises. How many will be able to list accomplishments on more than one or two fingers? If we were to list, instead, all of the policy decision that were consistent with Bush Administration policies, we wouldn't be done counting yet.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5970
Calling Doctor Dean.
i think all us 'liberal groups' should just keep up the pressure...and if Obama doesn't like it now, I'm sure that at the end of his administration, he'll be happy with the results we've achieved for him...
Maxine Waters
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/...
Maxine Waters / Paul Krugman President / Vice President 2012.
GIVE MEDICARE/MEDICAID ITS OWN TRUSTFUND, call Pelosi @1-202-225-0100. DEMAND SINGLE PAYER.
"In Springfield, rather than challenge the Old Guard Democratic leaders, Obama built a mutually beneficial relationship with them. 'You have the power to make [me] a United States senator,' he told [Illinois Senate President] Emil Jones in 2003. In his downtime, [Obama] played poker with lobbyists and Republican lawmakers. In Washington, he has been a cautious senator and, when he arrived, made a point of not defining himself as an opponent of the Iraq war...
"During the 2004 Senate primary, Obama sometimes reminded voters of his anti-machine credentials, but at the same time he shrewdly wrote to Mayor Daley’s brother, William, who had backed one of Obama’s primary opponents, asking for his support if he won the primary. As he outgrew the provincial politics of Hyde Park, he became closer to the Mayor, and this accommodation, as well as his unwillingness to condemn the corruption scandals ensnaring Daley and Blagojevich, both of whom he supported for reëlection, have some of his original supporters feeling alienated and angry."
Reform-minded activists of Hyde Park, people opposed to Mayor Daley's machine, were the backbone and also ran Obama's first political campaign, which got Obama elected to the state senate. Within 4 years, he "outgrew" them and sought Mayor Daley's help in defeating Bobby Rush. They got burned, just like we'll get burned, if we don't keep the pressure on.
That's what the main stream media keeps saying so it must be true.
Maybe the gay community can take a cue from MoveOn and start running some ads of our own......,have some former military people talk about being kicked out because of don't ask, don't tell, etc
So, no, again, in the real world, not vindicated at all.
And communist spies are pretty irrelevant. Seems quite odd to be so caught up in economic theories as if they were religions.
"Americanism"?? Now you're just making stuff up.
And, uhm, no, I'm not a republican, so I don't think the state is to be worshipped above all. I don't wrap myself in the flag, either.
In general, though, I do admire the principles espoused in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Which, incidentally, would also mean that American citizens choosing to identify themselves as members of the Communist Party shouldn't be treated any differently than those identifying as Republican or Democrat, actually.
What with the whole "freedom" thing we're supposed to believe in, you know?
If things dont change by magic, he is going to lose a lot of those new voters. He is going to lose a large portion of his republican voters. His opportunities to win are to force the left into voting for him by making them feel their is really no choice or by actually making good policy. The economic problems and even foreign situation are so far out of whack for anyone to expect happy days in the next few years, but he can make clear steps to the path to success. He hasn't come close yet or he runs away immediately.
He still has to win at least 55 million votes to win. Despite demographic changes and Republicans sucking, Minnesota, Iowa, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania could easily be in play for the Republicans due to depression among the left and low turn out among people who really just vote by how their personal incomes. are doing.
There is a silver lining to this however...because of the excellent rhetoric and mantra-chanting, many Americans that did not fulfill their civic duty and vote actually threw their hats into the ring this election cycle.
Hopefully they are paying close attention now, and will vote in the next election as well, and vote for someone who has a track record of consistency, someone they can trust will not betray them like Obama has.
The saddest part is that this President was elected on emotion, and that so many Americans couldn't identify a bankster owned commie even when he was laying out his agenda for all to see.
For 2012...Consistency. Truth. Real Change.
Hopefully these qualities will come back into vogue.
Anti-war, anti-state, pro market, pro-states rights.
Freedom is popular! :-)
Honestly, read a book or something. People should learn what socialism and communism actually is before they toss the terms around. Otherwise they just look foolish.
It's like those people who blathered on about "Islamofascists". Ignorance like that just makes you want to give up.
His actions before the election were not those of a communist, nor have his actions since been.
GWB was an imperial president, grabbing more power for the office, and creating a powerful central government that didn't have to follow the Constitution at all. Obama hasn't unraveled that as quickly as I'd like, but he's hardly changing the way our government function as monolithically as Bush did.
"Communism is just socialism in a hurry" is patently ridiculous.
And as for "state worshipping", I think the way the GOP uses the flag and the military as political backdrops for everything is far more dangerous a sign of jingoism than anything Obama has ever done.
We need to listen to the advice our founders gave long ago..."The natural process is for liberty to contract and government to expand" I'm a Jeffersonian Republican, so my disgust for both parties currently is at an all time high :-)
America today resembles (to me at least) what Goethe stated "No people are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Bush was a national nightmare, but Obama is following I his footsteps very closely, why isn't the left screaming at him like they were Bush?
Having more government jobs in this country than manufacturing is a disgrace. We're doomed if this trend continues.
However, any attempt at equivalency between Bush and Obama is something I find patently absurd. For all the powers of the presidency, it's going to take a LONG time to turn this ship of state around.
(And, really, if you expect to be taken seriously, you really have to stop with the old "Marxist Lib dems" bit... the MOST liberal of the current crop of Democrats isn't anywhere NEAR left enough to be considered a Marxist. Truly.)
And government versus manufacturing jobs isn't something Obama can just wave a magic wand and change overnight. And perhaps it will never change, we may have gone too far to ever get those jobs back. Which I agree is problematic.
This is just some friendly advice: If you lay off the generalizations, I think you will you find you have a lot more in common with some of us. If not, you would definitely get more out of participating in our community.
The only thing I know for sure, is that I value human rights. I don't want people making 70 cents an hour for 100 hours a week, even if it means paying 40% more.
If you do want to look at this more closely I would suggest reading up on the corn subsidy and it's relationship to other commodities including beef and milk. This isn't foreign trade, but it is a very real problem right now. Especially considering cows were not made to eat corn and the possible/probable health concerns.
And the facts are that Americans are paying more for health care per capita than any other industrialized nation, but we're getting less out of it than those other industrialized nations.
Look up how many personal bankruptcies are caused by health care costs. The "plan" we have now is the real nightmare -- more expensive and less efficient. A proud "win" for "capitalism", eh?
Also, costs have gone up because the American people have been brainwashed into thinking the Keynesianism is a viable economic policy. It's meant to enrich those in power and grow the state. The Austrian school will hopefully rise again, and soon!
Printing money does not bring prosperity. Otherwise Zimbabwe would be the richest nation on earth.
Computer costs have come down because ALL technology comes down in price as time goes on. Government "held at bay"? How? Government is involved in the computer industry as much as any other manufacturing and retail industry.
But healthcare ISN'T a manufacturing industry, or a retail industry, hence the problem.
And, if you truly believe in market forces, than you shouldn't fear the public option, as if the private insurance industry really can offer the best coverage at the best prices, then it will thrive, according to capitalist theory. So why the fear of the public option? Because the private insurance industry is raking in money hand over fist by offering limited coverage at outrageous prices.
As for Kenesian vs. Austrian, frankly, all economics theory is just that, theory. And Economics is a social science, not a natural science, so putting too much faith into one school of thought or another seems a bit silly to me.
I don't subscribe to any one "ism" except possibly "pragmatism". Pure capitalism is bad, pure communism is bad, pure socialism is bad, and so on and so forth.
I think government is a reasonable restraint against excessive big business, and our Constitution and the electorate is a reasonable restraint against excessive big government.
I agree with your take on the "isms" There will always be people looks to game the system to their advantage, and government can be useful (as the monopoly power on force) toimpose penalties on those who engage in such actions.
It's obvious that Keynesianism has failed. Or is failing as we speak. I truly believe that this will, in the future, be a matter of fact.
One last thing...you mentioned our Constitution and electorate as "restrainers"!! LOL good one there. I sincerely wish it were true, and that our politicians were "bound down by the chains of the Constitution". Maybe someday... :-) Happy 4th to you and yours.
We are the government, it's just that too many of us choose to forget that. Age of cynicism and all that.
It's also why I think the decision that money = free speech was a terrible decision. Elections shouldn't go to the person who spends the most money.
Fastest way to get our government back on track? Eliminate all private funding for elections. Politicians should be responsive to the voters, not the lobbyists. Even the lefty lobbyists. ;-)
Happy 4th to you and yours as well.
The caving on all of his campaign promises is pretty ballsy, but what he ultimately tryingto accomplish as a leader is no great shakes and no surprise.
I mean, if we're gonna just guess what he really means here, he may well be quite happy that the pressure is on, from outside sources, and he can be the "reasonable" guy who still gets what he wants without pissing them off. Just my two cents.
I hope his remarks DO piss off MoveOn. Why should they stop fighting for what their supporters believe in?
He's not coming off as "reasonable" here. It would have been better P.R. to ignore the MoveOn ads because he is going to piss off a LOT of people who support the public option with his comments.
70% of Americans support single payer or a program like it. A public option. Whatever it's called. That is many more people than just progressives. He just kicked those people in the ass, too, with his comments.
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This is essentially, the message that MoveOn should be putting out to the world. How do our representatives ignore that and keep their jobs?
The power of the lobbyists has not changed a bit. In fact, their influence could not be more obvious. Reminds me of Cheney's energy policy meetings with the select few.
He also suppressed the groups out of pressuring congress for Single Payer Health Insurance.
He wants to water down the Public Option Plan.
Now, if another call comes in August, I'm going to explain about Mark Kirk's raising $5.45 million in 2008, and his biggest expenditure, $2.6 million, was for advertising, going to the Patterson Group, in Wilmette. Can't find an advertising company by that name, but there's a medical consulting company with that name. May be them.
When you check OpenSecrets.org, you can see just how much Obama brought in from donations. I think his goal is to keep these donations coming, and not just from Organizing for America. Let's join Change Congress in their drive to have more Congresspeople co-sponsor Durbin's public campaign finance bill!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/time-fo...
He got to our community second - not that this makes anyone feel any better about the situation.