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AMERICAblog: Obama: We will close Gitmo, just not in the first 100 days

  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    Yes, that's understandable. And it's also understandable that abolishing "DADT" will take some social adjustments and re-education. Maybe in 2010 or 2011. We understand. There is a time for all things under heaven. We can wait. No hurry. Don't upset the apple cart. Working through the system is good for us. You get to wear a necktie if you work through the system. Oh, it'll be fine. Everything's going to work out liberal in the long run.

    Whoever said "In the long run, we'll all be dead" just didn't understand the importance of temperate process.

    Um . . . am I being too sarcastic? Sorry. I wouldn't want to hurt any feelings. I mean, just because I'm a second class citizen with limited rights. There's no hurry. It's all good. Not.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    Well, hopefully, the Dems will be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Just remember, we've had a King who couldn't even sit and eat a pretzel without choking.
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    John Maynard Keynes
  • Butch1 · 10 months ago
    Amen!
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 10 months ago
    Haiku for the Obama Administration (#39):

    The Reconciler--
    Let's agree to disagree
    We just can't look back--
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 10 months ago
    Under U.S. law, most--if not all--of the remaining detainees' counsel could convincingly claim they have been rendered insane by their detention since they were swept up in 2001-2.

    Then what?
  • Butch1 · 10 months ago
    How about putting a freeze on Bush and Cheney's wealth and distribute huge amounts to those who truly are innocent despite Bush and Cheney's rantings. You want to hear some pigs squeal?!
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    It's been a long, long time since the words "rule of law" or "habeas corpus" in relation to Guantanamo Bay prisoners have been uttered by a president, esp. one who isn't even in office yet. : )
  • Webster · 10 months ago
    You beat me to it. I was just going to say that it's nice to hear the words "habeas corpus" again--and not in the context of it having gone missing.
  • Griffon · 10 months ago
    Rhetoric is a poor substitute for broken promises and pledges. I, too, remember Obama's words:

    "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."

    Caveats and more caveats blanket over our expectations and broken promises like the January snowfall...
  • Sally in Maine · 10 months ago
    Another disappointment from Obama. So much for hope.

    Even worse was his signal that he's not going to investigate the crimes of Bush/Cheney. Shades of "impeachment off the table."

    He is really pleasing all the Village idiots so far.
  • Butch1 · 10 months ago
    I'm trying to decide just who the villiage idiots are ; the right wing he seems to be courting or us for falling for the "sweet talk express" again.
  • shell · 10 months ago
    Oh, come on. Not in the first 100 days? Think about the vast number of detainees who are there illegally? Oh yes, let's just wait a while. What if that was YOU? Would you blithely say "Just wait a while!"?

    I agree with Sally in Maine. Almost everything I have seen from the Democrats has been "Business as usual."

    It is time for BOLD CHANGE, Obama. That means:

    1. Free the prisoners. If you couldn't try them in several years, you ain't gonna do it now.

    2. Tax breaks for the average American. Forget about the fat cats. Did the billions given to them a few months ago, which they won't account for, give you a hint?

    Face it -- by the time he gets through pandering to the 23 percenters, he will have lost the rest of us. He needs to strike now. And REALLY bad, to me, is the concept that we "move forward, don't look back." Have none of these freaks ever read history? If Bush isn't punished, and punished harshly, it will happen again. Oh, in about 4-8 years. I have seen this happen before, just in my lifetime: Nixon! Carter tried to clean up his mess. Then America votes in Reagan. He messes it up. Then Bush furthers the slime. Clinton cleans much of it up. Then here comes Bush to mess it up really bad. Now we have Obama. I have no doubt he will clean it up somewhat, and then the GOP will be back for 8 years to mess it up again. This will NEVER change unless the people who mess things up are taken down. For good.
  • Anonymous · 10 months ago
    What's "fair" about this? Do they need time to figure out some other way to violate international law? Either you have evidence or you release them. I'm not willing to let this government hold people simply becaue they claim they're dangerous. Either you belive in the rule of law or you don't.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 10 months ago
    On his blog, Glenn Greenwald at salon.com, translates Obama's equivocations: yes, it was too bad that the evidence against them was obtained by torture ("tainted"), but we need to set up a system that respects the validity of that evidence, nonetheless ("even though it's true). In effect, Obama will be validating torture, regardless of his pious declarations about how torture is bad.

    From Brennan's lips to Obama's ears.
  • Gregory Lyons · 10 months ago
    Fresh from his discussions with neo-cons Pelosi and Reid, of course haste in ending atrocities is unthinkable.

    How many hundred days do you suppose it might just possibly take? As many as it might take to hear Obama's opinion on the humanitarian tragedy taking place in Gaza?

    ATROCITIES ARE US!
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 10 months ago
    i don't think there's any provision under international law for "trying" POWs, except for war crimes. but if obama wants to set up a war crimes tribunal i'd be a big fan.
  • Butch1 · 10 months ago
    Obama needs to reiterate that the torture stops immediately once he comes into office, and that the prisoners need to be moved out of their cages and into different types of cells. The interrogations need to stop as well.

    They have had these prisoners for how many years? Enough is enough. Some of them are likely to be emotionally damaged for the rest of their lives because of this torture. If they weren't terrorists before they were arrested they have the incentive to become one now just to get even with us.

    In those first 100 days, everything needs to stop. The torturers won't be getting any new information, all they have been doing is a continued incarceration and intermittent torture. I question what type of soldiers we have created to do this. Do they automatically have a sadistic streak in them? Time to stop that immediately. I see war crimes on the horizon already.

    We know most of these prisoners were in the wrong place at the wrong time rather than being terrorists. Bush and Cheney's definition of "terrorist" is quite broad and covers anyone disagreeing with them. To save face they would rather keep these men in bondage for the rest of their lives then admit that they are innocent. They have had enough time to sort out who are the guilty ones and who are not.
  • ezpz · 10 months ago
    Excellent insightful comment.
    I completely agree.
  • Butch1 · 10 months ago
    Thanks.
  • An_American_Karol · 10 months ago
    With all the negative news of Congress, here is something to remind us why we vote Democratic.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090111/ap_on_go_co...
  • BostonJoe · 10 months ago
    We can always follow the Geneva Convention. Anyone not wearing a uniform we can hang as a spy and everyone else, we put them on trial, then hang them!!!!
  • driver · 10 months ago
    Change My ASS I hoped WE were electing a Man who understood the constitution,whether those illiegally detained are a danger upon release or not they have a constitutional right to a fair trial,if the evidence is tainted
    then maybe We should consider who got the evidence and maybe We should do something about that.God this whole thing pisses Me off,if for some reason the goverment doesnt like who You are or what You stand for then they can come get You throw you in a cell for years and there is nothing You can do about it. Ask the Japanese how this worked out for them in world war 2 I call BULL SHIT.Stop this F*cking madness. The only thing this administration should be doing in the first 100 days is arresting the criminals who authorized the laws to be broken in the first place if they dont then the Hope for change is gone
  • TheNeedle · 10 months ago
    Obama has slapped the detainees in the face and thrown them under the bus.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 10 months ago
    At the very least, the new administration needs to change conditions within guantanamo while they do all this.
  • Black Helicopters · 10 months ago
    "we can't just shut down Gitmo and then say "oops, what we do with the guys being housed there?"

    I propose that they be set loose in San Franfreakshow or some other leftwing swinery where they'll be at home with their fellow anti-americans.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 10 months ago
    the anti-american swine were defeated in november. the winning side, the pro-american americans, are going to have to spend the next generation or so cleaning up the slop.
  • Chris From Maine · 10 months ago
    so lemme get this straight.. gitmo wont be closed anytime soon, no prosecution for the last 8 years, and now we all have to "sacrifice" and a lot of his promises now cant be achieved?

    Is this change???
  • WHYN0T · 10 months ago
    I posted a couple of weeks ago that you won't know Barack Obama by inauguration day.
  • Sally in Maine · 10 months ago
    This active volunteer in the Obama campaign in Maine has canceled her plans to go to the Inauguration. Just gave my tickets away.

    I didn't work my butt off for more DLC-neocon crap. I feel lied to.
  • ezpz · 10 months ago
    Gitmo should be the first order of business. Shut it down!!!
    Not because you want to "send a message to the world that we are serious about our values."

    JUST DO IT because it's the humane thing to do!! THAT'S how the world will get the message.

    Ugh!

    I'll say it again: Maybe by 'change' Obama meant HE would change just as soon as he got elected, principles be damned!
  • ezpz · 10 months ago
    Not being a lawyer, I don't understand something....

    If the evidence is "tainted", then it's not evidence, is it?
    I don't see any grey here.

    How can anything that was said under duress (while being tortured) be considered evidence?

    These are human beings, most of whom are probably innocent and got caught up and rounded up in the cross fire, probably to show the U.S.A. chanters how many turrists they caught.
    USA! USA! USA.!.....................................
  • Asterix · 10 months ago
    We could sell Gitmo and its contents to China. Might raise a little cash and get us out of a tough spot.
  • MikeinSanJo · 10 months ago
    While I'm hopeful at O's words, he daily proves himself to be just what the repugs predicted... another fucking poliitician who will say anything to be elected, then cave to big money once he achieves his goal.

    Why does the repugs' sterling insight NEVER occur when it's one of their own?

    Both parties have their own dirtbags. The difference is that repugs sweep their dirt under the rug and Dems sweep their dirt out the door.