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AMERICAblog: Online chat with Cong. Patrick Murphy about DADT at 1:15PM Eastern

  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Hey guys. Thanks again for all of the questions. Sorry I can't stay longer. This was a lot of fun.

    Please contact your local member of Congress and urge them to co-sponsor H.R. 1283, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act. Lastly, make sure you go to letthemserve.com or become a supporter on my Facebook page to join us in the fight to overturn this shameful law.

    Seriously, thanks again for all of your help. This is a top priority and we're gonna make this happen.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Thanks, congressman. That was great. I think it's clear that this is a topic a lot of our readers care about, and I think everyone appreciate you working on this, and taking the time to speak with us. So thanks again.
  • Javier · 5 months ago
    Thank you for arranging this chat for us.
  • MeRainyDay · 5 months ago
    Sorry missed it, but already signed and twittered letthmserve petition..and joined facebook and sent 100 invitations to others. Thanks for all you do. and Thanks to John A for presenting this great forum.
  • rogerdan4 · 5 months ago
    Janet Napolito ordered a Hold on a law she feels is unfair -- the further deportations of widows/widowers of US citizens who havent been in the US for two years (I hope I have my facts correct on this). Why can't the President order a Hold on on any more discharges while Congress works on a repeal of DADT?
  • PattyP · 5 months ago
    I just wrote to my Congresswoman, Suzanne Kosmas (FL-24), to ask her to cosponsor this legislation.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Excellent, Patty! Thanks.
  • Morgan · 5 months ago
    I missed the chat, but I was wondering why you guys ended up using the comments section instead of using a live blog tool like CoverItLive (www.coveritlive.com)?

    I think it would have been easier to sort through the chat and regular comments/questions unanswered if you had used CiL instead of the comments section. CiL's replay feature also would have allowed anybody who missed the chat to easily read it (here's an example of the replay chat: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/06/30/uncha...) instead of going through all the comments and looking for the Q&A's.

    Maybe something to consider next time? : )
  • MeRainyDay · 5 months ago
    I like CIL too. PHB used it for Obama speeches etc, you can keep a TV screen of what you are blogging about up too.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    That's interesting, didn't know about it. There is the issue of not getting page views when doing chats using that service - and page views are the lifeblood of every Web site - but, it is an easier way, I agree.
  • Jophus · 5 months ago
    That was so much more clear than trying to manage the time stamps all over the place in this chaotic thread. I hope that any other politician out there who may consider doing this in the future, considers a time between like 4-9 pm. Sorry I missed the chat. I would have had some great questions.

    As for the page view issue John brought up, I'd hope that would be an issue AmBlog would concede for a special event like this.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Congressman, a number of the readers have asked what the harm is in President Obama issuing a stop-loss order now, to stop the discharges - two a day - pending Congress' resolution of the entire issue. What are your thoughts on that?
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    the answer to this question should keep in mind that congress has given the president the authority to do this, so it would NOT be anythign like a Bush signing statement.
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    I think that this is a really tough issue and there have been a lot of calls for the President to do this. I know I mentioned it before, but the President -- to his credit -- seems not to want to ignore standing law that was passed by the Congress.

    We had a saying at West Point "Take the harder right over the easier wrong." The President doesn't want to clearly contradict US law, even though I feel that this law is fundamentally wrong and discriminatory. It shows why Congress needs to change it. We've gotten 16 congressmen and women in the first week to come on board, but we're not stopping until we get the job done. In fact, we just got an additional cosponsor today -- so we're up to 162.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    why does the answer to this question always ignore the fact that the president has the legal authority, given to him by congress, to suspend DADT?

    This is especially frustrating since his administration is suspending the enforcement of immigration law while waiting for congress to "fix" it.

    Can you give any explanation as to the two different standards being applied to these two congressionally enacted laws?
  • PattyP · 5 months ago
    Here's my letter to my Congresspeep. If you're one of those people who can never think of what to write, feel free to steal it in its entirety or make whatever changes you want so you can send it to your own Rep. ;-)

    Thank you for your work so far in the United States House. I'm writing to ask you to consider co-sponsoring H.R.1283, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act of 2009. This necessary legislation will "amend title 10, United States Code, to enhance the readiness of the Armed Forces by replacing the current policy concerning homosexuality in the Armed Forces, referred to as 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell', with a policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation." DADT has caused great harm not only to our nation's military capability, but has destroyed the careers and lives of many gay American citizens who have willingly enlisted in the armed forces in order to serve and protect all of us in times of war and peace. They joined, as so many straight people have, knowing they may have to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect American democracy, yet they are not allowed to simply be who they are while serving and are denied the rights and benefits of straight soldiers who are doing the same jobs and making the same sacrifices. I hope I can count on you to help correct the mistake of DADT by supporting this legislation. Thank you for your time.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Congressman, I think folks might be interested in knowing what the plan is. One of the concerns a lot of us have had with the Obama administration is a sense that there is no plan for moving forward on DADT repeal, or any other major gay rights promise. Without divulging any state secrets, can you give us a quick sense of what your strategy is going to be for getting the repeal passed, and when you think (want) the legislation will come up for a vote?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    I'm a very aggressive person and we have a multi-tiered plan of attack on this. First, I'm meeting one-on-one with all my colleagues in Congress (especially conservative Democrats and reps in tough districts) on both sides of the aisle. Secondly, we're doing the Voices of Honor Tour going around to hit strategic congressional districts where we can most effect change. If you have an idea for additional places we should visit email me at letthemserve.com. Obviously, I'm working closely with the White House and have been having discussions with the Department of Defense.

    It's hard to nail down a firm timeline at the moment, but it's something I want to happen as soon as possible. The key is making sure we have the votes -- 218 -- to pass it. We're getting closer every day. Today we're at 162 and we're not going to quit until we get it done.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    What do you believe is the biggest hurdle we face, as a nation who usually prides itself on its reputation of our attempt to treat every American equally, regarding the overturning of DADT? Why do you believe the administration is so hesitant when the American people, via polling, seem so ready for this policy change? Is there some sort of financial consideration at play? The recognition of LGBT personnel's military partners for VA benefits?
  • SD_Dave · 5 months ago
    Representative Murphy,

    I know you are leaving soon, so I figured I would just write real quick and say thank you for being an ally and leader for us AND for your service to the country.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    me too! I'd say "ditto" but we know where that language comes from!
  • JoeSudbay · 5 months ago
    Thanks, Congressman Murphy. And, I love watching the video of you at the DADT hearing last July, taking on the anti-gay witness.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvN_-ES4udk

    In addition to answering questions, tell us what we can do to help you. I think you'll see that repealing DADT is a very, very important issue to our readers.
  • PattyP · 5 months ago
    Thanks for sharing that video. Cong. Murphy did an excellent job pinning down a hostile witness.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    It is often said that if Pres Obama were to suspend enforcement of DADT with an executive stop loss order, that would be similar in nature to Bush's signing statements and would be ignoring a legal congressional statute.

    But, isn't it true that congress gave the president the authority (as part ofthe DADT legislation) to suspend DADT and therefore these objections to President Obama using this power granted to him by congress are unwarranted?
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Sincere thanks, Congressman Murphy, for your work on behalf of gay and lesbian service members. We've heard a great deal about the expulsion of gay Arabic speakers in particular, even though they only represent a tiny percentage of all who've been expelled under DADT. It seems to me an easy argument can be made that the public would understand for the critical need of all service members who can communicate with locals where are troops are deployed. So - my question - if all else fails, could a suspension of DADT for these service members alone serve to advance the goal of an eventual total repeal, as a small step that would help to allay anxieties about a total repeal?
  • SD_Dave · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy,

    First, thank you for taking the time to be here and answer our questions, you are a TRUE friend, ally, and leader for the LGBT community. I know that you are not in the Senate, but I have a question about Senator Gillibrand’s proposal to attach an amendment that would place an 18 month moratorium on discharges in the Defense Budget. Why would she choose to create even greater inefficiency by not utilizing H.R. 1283 and simply change the wording to reflect it as a Senate Bill? This creates more inefficiency because it would require the measure to be debated twice (once for the moratorium, and second for the full repeal and inclusion of gays and lesbians,) thus wasting more taxpayer dollars. Harry Reid has also expressed that he would rather see the “moratorium” permanent, then he must also believe that H.R. 1283 should be introduced instead of a simple “moratorium.” Are you working with the Senate in order to introduce H.R. 1283’s sister bill into the Senate?
  • SteveW · 5 months ago
    Is the President doing something quietly and behind the scenes to repeal DADT?

    Would a temporary moratorium of DADT discharges, which I understand some Senators are considering, likely lead to eventual repeal of DADT, or would it just entrench the current discriminatory law?

    Secretary Gates has suggested that the military might modify its interpretation of the DADT law to allow service members who don't "tell," but who are involuntarily outed, to remain in the military. Such a reinterpretation would not require Congressional action. What do you think of that?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Yes, the President is very engaged on this issue. I've been meeting with his top advisors and they've been very supportive of our efforts. Be that as it may, we are a separate and co-equal branch of government, so I want to work with the President, but I don't work for the President.
  • Javier · 5 months ago
    Thank you Congressmen Murphey for your service and your leadership on this issues

    Are you concerned about the mid term elections delaying any momentum of a repeal of DADT and is there sense if this is not accomplished this year, that it might have to wait.
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    A lot of folks are asking me if this is in the best interests of my political future, especially considering I only won my first election by 0.6%. But too often in Washington people worry about keeping their own seats safe as compared to doing the right thing and bringing about the change our country needs. So in this matter specifically, national security and equality trump political expediency.
  • Javier · 5 months ago
    Based on what your interactions with President Obama on this issue , how committed is he to a repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell?
  • editht · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy:

    Thanks for taking the lead on this.

    Why has this administration not taken the lead on repealing DADT? Do you feel it is Obama's cautious nature, or is that he is afraid of the military leadership, or a combination of both factors?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Frankly, what I respect about President Obama is his respect for our co-equal branch of government and the law. Unlike President Bush who would issue signing statements that were contrary to legislation passed by Congress, President Obama needs the Congress to put a bill on his desk that he can sign into law repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell. It was an act of Congress that put this discriminatory law into place and it will take us to push my fellow members to support legislation to overturn it.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    isn't it true that an act of congress also gave the president the legal authority to suspend DADT? And, the president doing so would in NO WAY be anything like a Bush signing statement?

    what would be wrong with the president using this authoruty to suspend the discharges while congress works for the full repeal?
  • JustaLawya · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy,

    In response to the LGBT outrage directed at President Obama after the DOJ's DOMA brief (whether justified or not), many people argued that the President had too many other issues on his plate, such as health care and the economy, and that DOMA and DADT are issues that should wait until these more pressing concerns are dealt with.

    Do you perceive these "bigger fish to fry" arguments being used as an attack against legislation to overturn DADT? If so, do you have any responses to those types of arguments?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Sorry I was running a little late. Glad to be with you all answering questions today; I know there’s a little bit of lag time here but I’m busy typing away- and I’ll try to get to as many of your questions as possible in the next half hour. Thanks so much for joining me in this fight!
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Thank you for being here and taking our questions!
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Democratic House member Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania has chosen to take the lead on the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell in the House. In addition to being a member of the Blue Dog coalition, Murphy is the first Iraq War vet to become a member of the House. He's perfectly situated to lead the charge on this battle. So we're very glad to be hosting a chat with him tomorrow about his effort to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell. Considering all the interest in this issue of late, this is a great opportunity to quiz a member of Congress as to where things really stand, and whether we're going to see a real effort to repeal the discriminatory policy.

    Congressman Murphy should be with us for around 30 minutes. Just post your questions in the comments and he'll respond there.
  • mirth · 5 months ago
    Thank you, Representative Murphy, for leading the charge.

    Is it true, at least in part, that a fundamentalist-christian belief system in the military hierarchy fuels resistance to a DADT repeal?
  • Nora · 5 months ago
    Rep. Murphy,

    Thank you for your leadership on repealing DADT. I know the Stonewall Democrats are organizing a letter of appreciation and raising money for your reelection due to your actions. (www.stonewalldemocrats.org/thankyoupatrickmurphy and http://www.actblue.com/page/fightingalongsidemu...).

    Have your actions drawn mostly positive responses like those from Stonewall or have you received negative pushback from constituents or other groups?
  • JustaLawya · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy,

    In response to the LGBT outrage directed at President Obama after the DOJ's DOMA brief (whether justified or not), many people argued that the President had too many other issues on his plate, such as health care and the economy, and that DOMA and DADT are issues that should wait until these more pressing concerns are dealt with.

    Do you perceive these "bigger fish to fry" arguments being used as an attack against legislation to overturn DADT? If so, do you have any responses to those types of arguments?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    SD_Dave:

    Yes, it's my understanding that Senator Kennedy has been the main senator working on this issue in the past so they are waiting to see if he wants young leaders like Sen. Gillibrand to officially take over. I know she's been working it on her end and her and I agree that it's past time to repeal this discriminatory law.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    First, from an old gay combat veteran, many thanks for your service to our country and thank you for stepping up to the plate and moving this in the right direction.

    You mentioned there were over an hundred co-sponsors to your bill, how many more have added their names?
  • SD_Dave · 5 months ago
    Currently as listed on thomas.loc.gov there are 161 co-sponsors.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Thanks Dave.
  • Mike_H · 5 months ago
    Rep. Murphy, what actions do you recommend that the average person should be taking in order to provide the most effective support for repealing DADT?

    And are there any actions that you might feel are counter-productive?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    That's a great question- everyone should be reaching out to his or her representative (you can find out who they are at http://www.house.gov/) and tell them to become a cosponsor on H.R. 1283, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act. Getting cosponsors on board means that your reps have named their commitment to repealing DADT, and it's a strong way to show their support for the bill.

    I also have a website, www.letthemserve.com, where people can sign a petition I'll take to other members of Congress, share stories of how DADT has affected them, and sign up for email updates/local events.

    The most important thing is telling your family and friends to contact their representative- we're trying to hit 218 to ensure that we have the votes.
  • Interested · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy, it seems like people frequently conflate the military's fraternization policies (prohibiting unprofessional relationships among individuals of different ranks and among contractors), and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. This serves to confuse both servicemembers and civilians as to the purpose of military regulations designed to encourage discipline and trust.

    Assuming your legislation (H.R. 1283) passes to ban discrimination based on sexual orientation in the armed forces, do you think both service members and the public at large will have a better understanding as to the rules the military sets forth regarding personal relationships?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Possibly. As someone who wore the uniform of our country for the first time in 1993 and left active duty in 2004, I understand that there are already regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice in place to deal with misconduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual in nature.

    But I do think that it's important for people to know that paratroopers in the 82nd Airborne Division in Baghdad or Afghanistan care more about whether you can fire an M-4 assault rifle than what your orientation is. The question with them is can you do your job and come home alive.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Reminds me of the Barry Goldwater quote:

    "You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."
  • Neil Bardhan · 5 months ago
    Congressman Murphy,
    I have signed the petition at LetThemServe.com. I am in touch with my Representative. I keep my friends abreast of your work on this. What else can I, and other everyday citizens, do to support the effort to repeal DADT?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Besides calling your member of Congress and urging them to cosponsor the bill, you and your friends and family should all write letters to your local paper urging repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Folks, the congressman is answering your questions right after each question - so make sure you look down the entire list of questions for any responses (meaning, the response will be an indented answer to the question itself).
  • UAFA_NOW · 5 months ago
    Rep. Murphy,

    Are you familiar with the Uniting American Families Act (UAFA)? You currently are not a co-sponsor of the legislation that will give equal immigration rights to LGBT Americans. Are you willing to co-sponsor the UAFA?

    Thank you for all of your work on the repeal of DADT.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    From a reader who didn't have a chance to ask this in previous thread:

    "In some cases service personnel are deployed to combat zones despite claiming to be gay; what is the government's justification in maintaining DADT when we know a regulation has often been applied to enforce deployment of supposedly openly gay soldiers for no better reason than to prevent allegedly straight soldiers from claiming they are gay to AVOID deployment?"

    http://www.palmcenter.org/node/296
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    That's a great- and tough- question. I can't imagine what the internal justifications are (you'd have to ask the Pentagon...) but I think that policy underscores that when our country finds itself in the middle of combat operations, we need every able-bodied, qualified individual who's willing to serve. There are 65,000 gays and lesbians currently active in all 5 branches of our Armed Forces- if they're willing to make sacrifices for their country, they should be able to do so openly, and honestly. I know our troops are stretched incredibly thin in Iraq and Afghanistan- a lot of the guys I served with have been deployed multiple times. They could use some backup from their brave peers- and again, now is the worst possible time to be kicking folks out just because of their orientation.
  • JoeSudbay · 5 months ago
    Congressman, you might be interested to know that cowboyneok is a vet. He served on the nuclear sub, USS Henry Clay, during the cold war, but had to leave the military because he was gay. A poem he wrote about life on subs was featured by the Smithsonian.
    http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/saturday-mor...

    Unfortunately, we still haven't progressed all that far since the late 80s...yet.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Thank you, Congressman Murphy, for answering our questions!

    We, the LGBT community, have three poster children, Air Force Major Margaret Witt, Lt Col Fehrenbach, and Lt Dan Choi, as relevant and poignant examples of why this unfair policy should be overturned. It is not only their exemplary service that serves as an example, but the very idea on 9-11 intelligence that was not translated that read “Tomorrow is zero hour” until after we had been attacked. Lt Dan Choi is an Arabic translators, who with his skills employed might have prevented 9-11, and he is being discharged.

    Why, do you believe, our President is unwilling to issue a “Stop Loss” order stopping the ridiculous discharges of our LGBT troops?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    I've talked to Lt. Dan Choi and he is an American hero. As a former professor at West Point, he was exactly the type of leader we wanted in our military. The mission of West Point is to develop leaders of character for a lifetime of service. I believe that Lt. Choi's leadership on overturning Don't Ask Don't Tell demonstrates exactly the type of leader we want from our young officers.

    I believe President Obama signaled to both the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that change is coming and it's my job to act with a sense of urgency to overturn Don't Ask Don't Tell via legislation.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Thank you for your answer.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    I’ve heard the argument Obama Administration doesn’t want to expend political capital to overturn DADT. Why do you think the Obama Administration believes there is so much political capital involved when the American people poll so very well on overturning DADT? Do you think some in the administration believe they are operating back in the 1990’s before the American people have had the opportunity to evolve on this issue?

    The Obama Administration claims it has no greater responsibility than to keep our nation safe. Why is the administration, and Democrats, not willing to more forcefully frame the argument as one of National Security?
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Do you believe the reason Obama is hesitating on this issue is a financial one because the obvious result of overturning DADT will then be the question of unfair policies that ban LGBT personnel from their partners receiving the same VA benefits as their straight counterparts?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Cowboyneok -- just got word that you served aboard a nuclear sub. Thank you for your service!

    No. The cost to our government to date for discharges under DADT, according to the Palm Center, is $1.3 billion. This is the argument I make with a lot of fiscally conservative members, besides the overarching arguments of national security and equality.
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Your welcome! If it hadn't been for my service on that submarine there wouldn't have been Protestant Services on the USS Henry Clay during the Cold War. I was ORDERED by my XO (Ha!) to be the Protestant Lay Reader. I struggled with the decision to preach, and asked every other protestant guy on board to preach and they refused. I was worried what might happen if my sexual orientation were ever discovered and didn't want anyone thinking I was trying to "infiltrate" their religion. I prayed long and hard about it, and felt a release to go ahead and preach and there was that fact none of the other sailors would do it. If it hadn't been for a gay man on our submarine, there wouldn't have been Protestant Services on our patrols. I was eventually discharged for being gay in 1988. I wanted to make the military my career, and regret not being able to have served and retired from the Navy.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Rep. Murphy,

    Have the three openly gay representatives of the House co-sponsored your bill? It would be nice to see them overtly commenting about it and helping it to move forward.

    I like your Kelly green tie! ;-)
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Butch, the Congressman's staff just messaged me and said that Polis, Frank and Baldwin has cosponsored.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Many thanks, John.
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Yes, they're all on it and fighting with us.

    Thanks! I like this tie too. I had lunch today with an Irish-American US Army general, so I wanted him to feel comfortable even though it isn't "Army" green.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Being of Irish lineage, I'm rather fond of any colour of green. (Though, OD took a wee bit of getting used to.)
  • hank10303 · 5 months ago
    I agree with your position and goal and only ask that any opposition you get from your fellow congress persons should be made public. Ask voters to join your campaign by requesting we email and phone those members that are either on the fence or on the wrong side of it. We can be a help.
  • SD_Dave · 5 months ago
    Excellent suggestion!
  • UAFA_NOW · 5 months ago
    Rep. Murphy,

    Since LGBT Americans cannot sponsor their foreign born partners for residency in the US, there has been discussions in some LGBT forms about gaining citizenship/residency in the US by joining the military. If DADT is repealed, can non-Americans gain US citizenship my joining the military?
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Again, no need to respond if there are other questions, but just wanted to throw this in the mix if there's time. Did you serve in Iraq with any gay service members that you knew of?
  • Rep_PatrickJMurphy · 5 months ago
    Absolutely and they were some of the best soldiers I knew.

    I actually served with a soldier who was discharged under DADT soon after we graduated Air Assault training with the 101st Airborne Division. He was one of the only 34% who passed and to let him go just because he is gay and not for any type of misconduct still burns me up.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    The congressman has been with us for about 35 minutes (he promised us 30), and can stay another 5. So get any last questions in now, and he'll try to answer what he can before he goes.
  • rogerdan4 · 5 months ago
    In my haste to beat the deadline I incorrectly wrote Janet Napolitano's name. I apologize. Any response to my question?
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Thanks A-blog! This was VERY VERY kewl!
  • alanindc · 5 months ago
    Just wrote my congressman and senators! Mass emails to friends and family are beginning as well...