I really just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that despite all of her lies and viciousness, people still voted for Shillary. I have been depressed all day. And despite the impossibility of the math for her winning, the MSM are still acting like she won something....
I need to send the Obama campaign another contribution to feel a little bit better, and I am too broke this week to do so....
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i sent obama another contribution this morning. it was soothing.
i'm fed up with spin.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
in my cynical opinion, hillary is absolutely the worst choice.
obama, hopefully, will put the brakes on this train wreck and turn this thing around. nobody knows this for sure but he's the best chance we have.
mccain, well he's going to keep right on going in the direction we're going. there's a sick side of me that's wants to see the destruction this will cause. especially since the republicans will have no one else to blame. sure, it will be bad, but the sheer magnitude of the collapse will automatically cause people to start working for the common good again.
hillary, she's going to say all the right things but in the end she will keep us in iraq and placate the fascist regime that currently calls itself the US gov't. basically, keeping things the way they are, not really getting better or worse.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Today April 24, 2008 I pledge to start celebrating Obama's as the winner of the Democratic Party nominee race.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
OT:
Rezko trial uncovers Rove plot to remove Fitzgerald.
U.S. attorney reportedly targeted by heavyweights
April 23, 2008; 9:54 a.m. More bombshells were lobbed in the Antoin "Tony" Rezko trial even before the jury was seated this morning and they involved a purported attempt to pull strings with the White House to fire U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald. In a hearing before court began, prosecutors said they hoped to call Ali Ata, the former Blagojevich administration official who pleaded guilty to corruption yesterday, to the stand.
Assistant U.S. Atty. Carrie Hamilton said she believed Ata would testify to conversations Ata had with his political patron, Rezko, about working to pull strings to kill the criminal investigation into Rezko and others when it was in its early stages in 2004.
"[Ata] had conversations with Mr. Rezko about the fact that Mr. Kjellander was working with Karl Rove to have Mr. Fitzgerald removed," Hamilton told U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve.
That sentence is loaded with a who's who of political heavyweights. Bob Kjellander was the veteran Republican National Committeeman from Illinois who was a sometimes business associate of Stuart Levine, who has pleaded guilty to conspiring with Rezko to rig state boards for contracts.
Karl Rove for years was President Bush's chief political strategist as well as an old friend of Kjellander. Patrick Fitzgerald was and is the U.S. attorney in Chicago who pressed the investigation of Rezko. Hamilton said the conversation she hoped Ata would testify to was about having Fitzgerald replaced by someone else, she said, "so individuals who have been cooperating in this investigation will be dealt with differently."
B_B, There's already been pretrial testimony leaked which make Michelle and Barry out to be liars; but it's on supposedly on inconsequential things such as "did you know 'so&so'? Were you at the cocktail party ?, etc.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
mmedefarge
I really just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that despite all of her lies and viciousness, people still voted for Shillary.
Hey Bush Bites--I am an almost grandma, so I don'y buy the "old" bit (for the Hillbots), and you don't need a PhD to recognize a liar. No, unfortunately, I think because of the hard labor of Mr and Mrs Pinocchio, we have a deep rooted racism that came into play in PA, and I am sure she will use the same tactics in the similar demographic areas in KY and Indiana.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
The media WANTS this race to continue for their own hackneyed reasons and until the Democratic Party leaders step forward and lay down some rules, we will continue to see the gradual destruction of the Democratic party as we know it.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
B_B, There's already been pretrial testimony leaked which make Michelle and Barry out to be liars; but it's on supposedly on inconsequential things such as "did you know 'so&so'? Were you at the cocktail party ?, etc.
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Um, tell me one pol. who wouldn't fudge on that.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Even though I gave Obama a donation about 2 weeks ago, I felt it necessary to do it again this morning. My paltry dollars don't do much, but at least it might help draw this thing to a close.
jr
· 1 year ago
CNN and MSNBC are parroting Foxian talking points once again. "liberal media" on the march
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
Her base is old and undereducated voters.
They're the most easily misled. ----------------------------------------------------- I read some anecdotal comments from exit polling last night, and would have to agree with the above statement.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
My father in law is a Hillary fan (I know, I know, it's tough to when we visit) and he is hardly under educated, albeit he is quite old. I'm not so sure if I buy the under educated part of the Hillary fan base, although that said, it is clear that those who do have less smarts may also vote for her.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
To Clinton voters: A fool and his (her) money are soon parted. Don't throw good money after bad.
And to the MSM: Clinton did NOT have a "double digit victory" last night. And wasn't it a month or so ago that she was proclaiming that the superdelegate votes were what would count, not the popular vote?
Cheeeez.
misquetofarmer
· 1 year ago
Great points however you missed one thing I picked up on a few months ago. Hillary seems to keep getting conservative endorsements. Now on the face that sounds like a good thing right? Not really these guys are hoping Hillary wins the nomination because that already have the gun loaded and aimed at her. They have been talking about Hillary running since Kerry lost. Some of the most ardent enemies of the Clinton's have their fingers crossed that Hillary wins. Honestly I think Obama scares the crap out of them. They don't have the amassed ammo against Obama. They don't know how to enlist the masses that until Obama were silent or at least quashed. If nothing else One must concede that Obama has assembled one very impressive organization effort. I seeing it up close I have to take my hat off in respect. I have been politically involved for years. This year I saw more brand new faces not only voting but getting involved and fighting for the limited delegate seats the Hillary supporters while I know and respect them seemed to be Old guard democrats.. This new blood Obama has brought is a force to be reconed with. Its not just Obama they fear its all those supporters that are not going to take NO for an answer.
DickJones
· 1 year ago
Please name one past presidential election where a Liberal won. The answer is NEVER BEFORE. Remember Bill Clinton moved toward the right to win. Obama is a Liberal who reads speeches well. He will be creamed in the general election. McCain's money will roll in as soon as the national campaign starts and he will have plenty of money to compete.
With an ongoing and unpopular war in Iraq, sky high gasoline prices, and an overall slowing economy, ask yourself why ANY Democrat is not leading in the polls by 20%. The fact that McCain is close right now, and even leading in some polls spells trouble for the Democrats.
The original post is right about one thing though; the campaigning has not even started yet, for John McCain. Old school Democrats will be coming out for McCain too. McCain will pick a young minority or women VP an will carry 45 or more states. It will be a bloodbath.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Have you heard of JFK, FDR? What if RFK had lived?
Time for a history lesson!
DickJones
· 1 year ago
A history lesson? Fine.
JFK lowered marginal tax rates and stimulated the economy. President Reagan and G.W. Bush did the same and also stimulated the economy and brought more money into the national treasury as a result. Every time marginal tax rates have been lowered, more money has poured into the national government due to increased economic activity. That is really not debatable. JFK also ordered a preemptive invasion of Cuba and along with RFK, ordered secret wiretaps on Martin Luther King because he was thought to be a subversive. JFK was NOT a Liberal. He was a Democrat and it meant something different back then.
FDR was ancient history and dealing with the Great Depression and a country in economic crisis. Yes, he enacted very Liberal policies and started the country on the road to the "big government" mess we are in now.
What if RFK lived? "IF" is for children. He did not live. What if Lincoln had lived? That's a silly game to play.
I understand why you cling to these three old feeble attempts to make your point but are you really trying to say that there has been no change in who and what the Democrat party is in the last 60 years? Oh please.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Great points in #1!!! I haven't even gotten to the other two yet!
Yes, the room HAS been spinning!
constantcomment
· 1 year ago
ya ya ya. the ignorance on how the nominating process of the democratic party works, by some posting and blogging here defies common sense. let's see: what to do with michigan and florida. let's see: superdelegates have as much say as the popular vote. this race is essentially a dead heat. but i still like singing. won't you join me in singing??? get out of the way.. hillary rodham...it's too late..your campaign's bottomed...obama's the man..it's mccain we're cooking....ole bill clinton..just stands there a looking.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
OK, so if money = electability, and Obama outspends Clinton 2-1 or 3-1 (or whatever it was) in Pennsylvania , why didn't he win?
McCain, the Republican nominee, was out of money and had been described as dead in the water 6-7 months ago. Romney, the right guy who funded his own campaign, lost the nomination.
No, money does not equal electability.
And, BTW, if you are one of those people who absolutely cannot understand why 1.2 million Pennsylvanians voted for Hilary (without dismissing them all as crazy or stupid or easily duped), maybe you should actually take the time to find out why they voted for her.
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
Puhleeeze! I had hoped you'd have the decency not to express hope that Democrats unite behind the party's ultimate nominee in the general election campaign.
After the way you, Aravosis, Markos, Arianna, et al, have viciously and unnecessarily trashed Hillary (I missed it, but I'm sure you trashed Hillary for breathing) you really expect us to forgive and forget and line up like lemmings behind Obama? Surely you're not serious.
I cannot vote for a nominee whose total time actually working in the Senate probably totals three weeks, who clearly does not have the experience to be President, who has been shown to have poor judgment, whose integrity is legitimately questioned and whose character also is questioned.
But I will not vote for McCain. Two or three more Supreme Court Justices just like Antonin Scalia? No thanks!!!
For the first time in my adult life I will, like many Clinton supporters, stay home on election day. Well, actually it's the second time. The first time wasn't my choice. The Obama-dominated Kansas Democratic Party rigged the February 5th caucuses to make sure most of us could not get to the caucus sites.
But Joe it's not those of us staying home on election day that you Obama lemmings have to fear. In most of the critical states -- like Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, to name a few -- in thousands of small towns, in millions of modest working class homes, the voters Obama thinks are bitter gun totin', Bible thumpin' bigoted bumpkins will wake up on election day and head to fire stations, church basements, school syms, etc., to cast their lot with John McCain.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Well, at last Hillary got her day in the sun. The good news for her?: She raised 10 million in the 24 hours after the primary. Bad news? ... a lot of her donors are maxed out at the $2300 limit:
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they hyped for the war too
I need to send the Obama campaign another contribution to feel a little bit better, and I am too broke this week to do so....
i'm fed up with spin.
obama, hopefully, will put the brakes on this train wreck and turn this thing around. nobody knows this for sure but he's the best chance we have.
mccain, well he's going to keep right on going in the direction we're going. there's a sick side of me that's wants to see the destruction this will cause. especially since the republicans will have no one else to blame. sure, it will be bad, but the sheer magnitude of the collapse will automatically cause people to start working for the common good again.
hillary, she's going to say all the right things but in the end she will keep us in iraq and placate the fascist regime that currently calls itself the US gov't.
basically, keeping things the way they are, not really getting better or worse.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah!
Rezko trial uncovers Rove plot to remove Fitzgerald.
U.S. attorney reportedly targeted by heavyweights
April 23, 2008; 9:54 a.m.
More bombshells were lobbed in the Antoin "Tony" Rezko trial even before the jury was seated this morning and they involved a purported attempt to pull strings with the White House to fire U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald. In a hearing before court began, prosecutors said they hoped to call Ali Ata, the former Blagojevich administration official who pleaded guilty to corruption yesterday, to the stand.
Assistant U.S. Atty. Carrie Hamilton said she believed Ata would testify to conversations Ata had with his political patron, Rezko, about working to pull strings to kill the criminal investigation into Rezko and others when it was in its early stages in 2004.
"[Ata] had conversations with Mr. Rezko about the fact that Mr. Kjellander was working with Karl Rove to have Mr. Fitzgerald removed," Hamilton told U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve.
That sentence is loaded with a who's who of political heavyweights. Bob Kjellander was the veteran Republican National Committeeman from Illinois who was a sometimes business associate of Stuart Levine, who has pleaded guilty to conspiring with Rezko to rig state boards for contracts.
Karl Rove for years was President Bush's chief political strategist as well as an old friend of Kjellander. Patrick Fitzgerald was and is the U.S. attorney in Chicago who pressed the investigation of Rezko. Hamilton said the conversation she hoped Ata would testify to was about having Fitzgerald replaced by someone else, she said, "so individuals who have been cooperating in this investigation will be dealt with differently."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-re...
I really just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that despite all of her lies and viciousness, people still voted for Shillary.
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Her base is old and undereducated voters.
They're the most easily misled.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/19/sean-h...
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Um, tell me one pol. who wouldn't fudge on that.
They're the most easily misled.
-----------------------------------------------------
I read some anecdotal comments from exit polling last night, and would have to agree with the above statement.
And to the MSM: Clinton did NOT have a "double digit victory" last night. And wasn't it a month or so ago that she was proclaiming that the superdelegate votes were what would count, not the popular vote?
Cheeeez.
With an ongoing and unpopular war in Iraq, sky high gasoline prices, and an overall slowing economy, ask yourself why ANY Democrat is not leading in the polls by 20%. The fact that McCain is close right now, and even leading in some polls spells trouble for the Democrats.
The original post is right about one thing though; the campaigning has not even started yet, for John McCain. Old school Democrats will be coming out for McCain too. McCain will pick a young minority or women VP an will carry 45 or more states. It will be a bloodbath.
Time for a history lesson!
JFK lowered marginal tax rates and stimulated the economy. President Reagan
and G.W. Bush did the same and also stimulated the economy and brought more
money into the national treasury as a result. Every time marginal tax rates
have been lowered, more money has poured into the national government due to
increased economic activity. That is really not debatable. JFK also
ordered a preemptive invasion of Cuba and along with RFK, ordered secret
wiretaps on Martin Luther King because he was thought to be a subversive.
JFK was NOT a Liberal. He was a Democrat and it meant something different
back then.
FDR was ancient history and dealing with the Great Depression and a country
in economic crisis. Yes, he enacted very Liberal policies and started the
country on the road to the "big government" mess we are in now.
What if RFK lived? "IF" is for children. He did not live. What if Lincoln
had lived? That's a silly game to play.
I understand why you cling to these three old feeble attempts to make your
point but are you really trying to say that there has been no change in who
and what the Democrat party is in the last 60 years? Oh please.
Yes, the room HAS been spinning!
McCain, the Republican nominee, was out of money and had been described as dead in the water 6-7 months ago. Romney, the right guy who funded his own campaign, lost the nomination.
No, money does not equal electability.
And, BTW, if you are one of those people who absolutely cannot understand why 1.2 million Pennsylvanians voted for Hilary (without dismissing them all as crazy or stupid or easily duped), maybe you should actually take the time to find out why they voted for her.
After the way you, Aravosis, Markos, Arianna, et al, have viciously and unnecessarily trashed Hillary (I missed it, but I'm sure you trashed Hillary for breathing) you really expect us to forgive and forget and line up like lemmings behind Obama? Surely you're not serious.
I cannot vote for a nominee whose total time actually working in the Senate probably totals three weeks, who clearly does not have the experience to be President, who has been shown to have poor judgment, whose integrity is legitimately questioned and whose character also is questioned.
But I will not vote for McCain. Two or three more Supreme Court Justices just like Antonin Scalia? No thanks!!!
For the first time in my adult life I will, like many Clinton supporters, stay home on election day. Well, actually it's the second time. The first time wasn't my choice. The Obama-dominated Kansas Democratic Party rigged the February 5th caucuses to make sure most of us could not get to the caucus sites.
But Joe it's not those of us staying home on election day that you Obama lemmings have to fear. In most of the critical states -- like Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, to name a few -- in thousands of small towns, in millions of modest working class homes, the voters Obama thinks are bitter gun totin', Bible thumpin' bigoted bumpkins will wake up on election day and head to fire stations, church basements, school syms, etc., to cast their lot with John McCain.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D907P4V...