AMERICAblog: Pentagon: Gitmo detainees returning to battlefield
tigergrrldc
· 10 months ago
No one could have known..........
Older_Wiser
· 10 months ago
(CBS) This story was written by CBS News' Khaled Wassef and CBSNews.com's Tucker Reals. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Al Qaeda boss Osama bin Laden says the decline of America's dominance on the world stage was one of the main factors which prompted Israel to launch its offensive in Gaza.
"The great and swift decline in America's influence is one of the most important motivations for Israelis to wage such a barbaric attack on Gaza, in a bid to try and make use of the last days of (President) Bush's mandate and the neo-conservatives," he says.
The message was delivered in a speech downloaded Wednesday by CBS News from a Web site frequently used to disseminate al Qaeda propaganda. The audio was produced by al Qaeda's media wing, as-Sahab.
It was impossible to confirm the authenticity of the recording, but the voice appeared to be that of the terror group's leader. The audio has not been heard before. The last known audio address from bin Laden was released on May 18, 2008.
beware of the leopard
· 10 months ago
The man's a murderous thug and a war criminal, but that's a pretty astute observation. In addition, looking back at eight years of post-9/11 Republican mis-rule, incompetence, malfeasance, corruption, bribery, etc., I would say he's a fucking tactical military and political genius.
EmGD
· 10 months ago
They must have been waterboarding them wrong. The water has to be filtered, otherwise it doesn't cause the feelings of euphoria and love of democracy that the Spanish Inquisitors designed waterboarding for. Someone really needs to put that step in the CIA manual.
And with the Bush economic downturn, there is now a rise in homegrown terrorists (hate groups). Lordy, I do feel so much safer.
mauro7inf
· 10 months ago
How stupid can these people be? Seriously! I think that they just aren't trained in peace. Like, they have no idea how to get peace; all of their histories and methods teach only subjugation. So they're good at being conquerors, and very bad at making people actually like us. And somehow Israel is even worse at this. As soon as they realize that killing and torturing people is BAD for relations, things might get better.
One would hope that at least John McCain would have understood this. Certainly we understand it about him -- he was locked up and tortured for many years, and to this day, he bears hatred for the "gooks" who did it to him (pointing out that he only uses the term to apply to the North Vietnamese in question). It takes serious lack of brains to not make the connection in Guantánamo.
MNUSA
· 10 months ago
How reliable is this information? Sorry, but the Bush administration lost its credibility a long time ago. How exactly can they verify that these people have, in fact, "rejoined the fight?" Why did they release them in the first place if they're so dangerous? They don't know where they released them? Hmmmmm.
Older_Wiser
· 10 months ago
Sixty-one detainees released from the U.S. Navy base prison in Cuba are believed to have rejoined the fight, said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, citing data from December.
Belief, not facts.
Nomi
· 10 months ago
Yes. There are few limits (if any) to governmental stupidity.
coolcatdaddy
· 10 months ago
.... or, if we had followed established legal procedures for dealing with them, they might legally be in prison here or in another country.
Idiots ... the whole lot of them are just idiots.
Notes_On_Virginia
· 10 months ago
"If we'd only imprisoned them a little bit longer, maybe then they'd love us."
Why do I get the uncomfortable feeling that there are people in our government who actually believe that?
Older_Wiser
· 10 months ago
OT, but in an unprecedented land grab, last week Bush declares the US an "Arctic nation."
Considering the fact that they are all brainwashed CIA double-agents, it is good that they have been accepted back by their brethren.
CarolAll
· 10 months ago
In the last week of the Bush administration, I sense the desperation of rats on a sinking ship. Unfortunately, after eight years of Pentagon manipulation of information to advance Bush's agenda and his War on Terror policies, Pentagon reports hold little or no credibility for me. It's a final last-ditch effort to launch a fear campaign, an attempt to garner the support of conservatives and hawks who oppose closing Gitmo. There is no doubt that they would like to avoid investigations of acts of rendition, imprisonment (without formal charges) on foreign soil, and torture. How desperate when the administration and their conservative friends in the media are reduced to citing Jack Bauer and the TV show "24" as justification of foreign prisons and torture!
Joel
· 10 months ago
The solution is simple, if they had been detained as POW's, complete with all the rights and protections granted POW's, rather than some trumped up bullshit they would still be in custody and nobody would be complaining.
caphillprof
· 10 months ago
Except some of them weren't actually POW's. Some were farmers turned in by neighbors to get the $10,000 bounty, a good sum in Afghanistan to this day. Others were fighting in an Afghan civil war but were treated as terrorists rather than combatants.
Dave of the Jungle
· 10 months ago
How many accepted Jesus as their personal savior?
Fuck'em then. Duh huh.
Bob Woodrum
· 10 months ago
Gee, we capture violent and dangerous enemies of this country, and we incarcerate them to obtain information about other violent and dangerous enemies who want to kill Americans. And then the left, which does nto believe we are at war, and if we are it is our fault, please pass the vegetable dip and white whine, wants to let them go so they can kill Americans and recruit others who want to do the same thing. Are any of you in touch with reality? The one thing 9-11 proved was that the right-wing nuts were right about the operation of the world, and the kool-aid, the worlds-a-village dysfunctional ideologues are and remain completely wrong. Don't worry, the first hit we take on our soil after the Obama adminstration takes power will be the end of his presidency. It's coming, it is just a matter of time.
RainbowPhoenix
· 10 months ago
9/11 happened because the right-wing nuts ignored the warnings that it would happen, then responded in a way that aggravated the people that were on the fence about us. What proof did we have that the people captured were our enemies?
We kidnapped innocent people, tortured them, made them hate us, and gave them the drive to join the fight against us. I hope the few alleged enemies we did manage to capture were worth the new enemies we created.
Roy
· 10 months ago
You are a giant liberal penis!
red_dwarf
· 10 months ago
Get a job loser.
henrythefifth
· 10 months ago
Are these people truly "returning" to the battlefield, in the sense that they were actual terrorists, or are they joining because they were illegally held by the US?
It's an important distinction. If they are "returning" then, even though their incarceration was likely illegal, why are the neo con Bushies releasing these dangerous people!
If they are not returning, but now first time soldiers, then it shows that torture clearly has an impact...by making people hate you enough to dedicate themselves to violence against you (something to which they were not previously committed).
Either way, it's a bad situation.
James K. Sayre
· 10 months ago
The USofA has been acting as an imperial power for one hundred and ten years now, starting in 1898, when we invaded the Philippines, tossed out the Spanish rulers and declared ourselves the new imperial rulers. The residents didn't really care for that aggression and they fought back. We murdered about 250,000 Philippines citizens before they cried "Uncle (Sam)" and gave up. We now, in the 21st century, have military bases in over one hundred countries around the world. We are the biggest imperial occupier since Great Britain in the 19th C. and Rome in 100 AD. We supplied the Zionist imperials running Israel with the cluster bombs that they dropped on the Lebanonese people in the summer of 2006. Only three years after the German Nazi holocaust against the Jews ended in 1945, the new Israeli government started their 60-year program of stealing Palestinian land and Palestinian water.
red_dwarf
· 10 months ago
James - I was watching a historical documentary the other day which brought out the warmongering side of Teddy Roosevelt. During his administration, while the Spanish-American War (what a joke to call it that) was on-going Roosevelt was responsible for the slaughter of over 300,000 philippino civilians. Talk about a dark chapter in American history.
Bongo
· 10 months ago
People, please note that according to the Pentagon, "returning to the battlefield" even means things like "testify about the torture they've endured while in US custody".
From http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-14-voa12... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Denbeaux of Seton Hall University Law School has represented some of the detainees and says the Pentagon has failed to produce evidence of early claims that former detainees have returned to the battlefield.
"The numbers are wrong about who has returned to the fight; their numbers and names are wrong about who has been in Guantanamo. And, of course, the characterization of 'returned to the fight' is far broader than they would like to admit," said Denbeaux. "What they would like is to be understood to mean as 'return to the battlefield,' but, of course, that hasn't happened. So what they mean by 'return to the fight' is engaging in propaganda battles and criticisms of the United States at home and abroad." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ghee whiz, yet again the Pentagon is caught lying and excaggerating and bullshitting. Whadda surprise.
lewis stoole
· 10 months ago
it sounds like one last gasp to save gitmo, but oddly enough, i don't believe a word they are saying.
SPG
· 10 months ago
So much for the deterence.
PaulG
· 10 months ago
Where are we getting this info? Did the Pentagon commission a Zogby poll of previous detainees? Do they send in a survey card with the line "Committting Jihad" checked under the column "Fairly Frequently" in the "Activities" section?
Honestly, why don't they just make the first line in these stories "Well it's from the pentagon, so it's probably a lie, but..."
Naja pallida
· 10 months ago
All I can say is: Name them, and give us proof they're fighting against us, or please stop spewing Dick Cheney's propaganda. The Pentagon's word means nothing after the last 8 years.
red_dwarf
· 10 months ago
Naja - my thoughts exactly. BS. Like the guys are gonna contact us and tell us they've rejoined the team. In a sea of lies one can only drown in the search for the truth. What hogwash.
offspring
· 10 months ago
news flash if you kidnapp a person hide him from his family torture him dont charge him and keep him for years, your actually surprised that after release he wants to kill you geesh
BeenThere
· 6 months ago
Someone once said
Liberal pussies can rant and rave because real men do what is required. Serve a combat tour if you have the balls and then lets hear from you. Otherwise shut the hell up.
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Al Qaeda boss Osama bin Laden says the decline of America's dominance on the world stage was one of the main factors which prompted Israel to launch its offensive in Gaza.
"The great and swift decline in America's influence is one of the most important motivations for Israelis to wage such a barbaric attack on Gaza, in a bid to try and make use of the last days of (President) Bush's mandate and the neo-conservatives," he says.
The message was delivered in a speech downloaded Wednesday by CBS News from a Web site frequently used to disseminate al Qaeda propaganda. The audio was produced by al Qaeda's media wing, as-Sahab.
It was impossible to confirm the authenticity of the recording, but the voice appeared to be that of the terror group's leader. The audio has not been heard before. The last known audio address from bin Laden was released on May 18, 2008.
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One would hope that at least John McCain would have understood this. Certainly we understand it about him -- he was locked up and tortured for many years, and to this day, he bears hatred for the "gooks" who did it to him (pointing out that he only uses the term to apply to the North Vietnamese in question). It takes serious lack of brains to not make the connection in Guantánamo.
Belief, not facts.
Idiots ... the whole lot of them are just idiots.
Why do I get the uncomfortable feeling that there are people in our government who actually believe that?
http://www.fas.org/secrecy/2009/01/arctic_polic...
Fuck'em then. Duh huh.
We kidnapped innocent people, tortured them, made them hate us, and gave them the drive to join the fight against us. I hope the few alleged enemies we did manage to capture were worth the new enemies we created.
It's an important distinction. If they are "returning" then, even though their incarceration was likely illegal, why are the neo con Bushies releasing these dangerous people!
If they are not returning, but now first time soldiers, then it shows that torture clearly has an impact...by making people hate you enough to dedicate themselves to violence against you (something to which they were not previously committed).
Either way, it's a bad situation.
From http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-14-voa12...
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Mark Denbeaux of Seton Hall University Law School has represented some of the detainees and says the Pentagon has failed to produce evidence of early claims that former detainees have returned to the battlefield.
"The numbers are wrong about who has returned to the fight; their numbers and names are wrong about who has been in Guantanamo. And, of course, the characterization of 'returned to the fight' is far broader than they would like to admit," said Denbeaux. "What they would like is to be understood to mean as 'return to the battlefield,' but, of course, that hasn't happened. So what they mean by 'return to the fight' is engaging in propaganda battles and criticisms of the United States at home and abroad."
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Ghee whiz, yet again the Pentagon is caught lying and excaggerating and bullshitting. Whadda surprise.
Honestly, why don't they just make the first line in these stories "Well it's from the pentagon, so it's probably a lie, but..."
Liberal pussies can rant and rave because real men do what is required. Serve a combat tour if you have the balls and then lets hear from you. Otherwise shut the hell up.