AMERICAblog: People make shit up during campaigns. Get over it already.
Bush_Bites
· 12 months ago
Because the Corporate Media always prefers covering superficial bullshit over covering real issues.
SeekTheTruth
· 12 months ago
Ill-informed? Are you kidding, John?
You just sent two year railing at the Republicans for their lies. I love Obama, and I think he should be held accountable for what he said about Hillary in the past.
You should be careful about your hypocrisy.
Lolis
· 12 months ago
Campaigning against someone is not the same as lying. Obama critiqued Clinton for overstating her foreign policy experience but he always said Clinton was qualified to be president. She was the one who was lying when she said he wasn't. But all of these questions about the primary or behind the scenes gossip aren't really serving the American public. Only one question was asked about the policies Obama would implement in office. That is what I care about.
dula
· 12 months ago
Isn't foreign policy experience important for the SOS position?
dula
· 12 months ago
I would have liked someone in the SOS post to be someone who had the wisdom to know that the Iraq War was the wrong move. The mind who can fix the problems in the Middle East will not be the mind that helped create them. Ditto for our economic problems. People can applaud Obama for being non-partisan but that will not solve our problems. When you try to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody.
publicsteele
· 12 months ago
I don't see John's statement as hypocritical in the least. There is a HUGE difference between the Orwellian lie factory that was and is the GOP modus operandi and the political rhetoric that informed news views are supposed to see through from the get go.
Obama was not lying when he hyperbolically equated Hillary's foreign policy experience with tea parties. However, a lot can be said in a tea party with Tony Blair, so in reality she wasn't lying either. Professional politicians do not take these charges personally during a campaign. They think of them as tactical challenges to be bested. I don't really see any "getting over it" between Hillary and Obama. That challenge is a media construct to create news. No accountability is required outside of the statement, "we are no longer in a primary campaign," which is basically what Obama said today.
RobertSanDimas
· 12 months ago
When Obama was elected, I told my partner I would stop yelling at the TV (the idiots on it, that is). Well, today's press conference made a liar out of me. He knew I couldn't stop anyway. :)
Jim Olson
· 12 months ago
1. because there are idiots graduating from journalism school
2. because the truth does not sell news
3. because the idiots who do graduate from journalism school don't understand that what people want is the truth, not entertainment.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 12 months ago
DITTO. I agree with everything John said here. Move on!
Webster
· 12 months ago
It's the MSMedia. Surely you're not looking for intelligence there?
Reason0Politics1
· 12 months ago
john...gd it man.stop sounding like a gop front man!
"get over it"
isn't that what W said when he admitted he was breaking the law and illegally spying on US citizens?
So far, Obama is opting for more of the same, not much change. I know very few die hard dems that think shillary is a good idea. Shes a corrupt insider. She thinks the the Gaza Wall is a wonderful thing. ya, genocide is wonderful.
oh well.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Bullshit.
Lauren1959
· 12 months ago
I'm with you- media is so bored they have to fabricate drama wherever they can... makes for distorted news, and I'm being generous.
larry
· 12 months ago
The media is trying to "Make" news....Obama put it best..."you just want to have some fun".....why take them serious afterall they work for the networks/corporations that bring us...Dancing with the Stars....Mamas Boys....American Idol.....Keeping up with the Kervorkians or whatever those people are called. Do they really expect us to take them seriously. Obama doesn't seem too...
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
Except that Hillary doesn't have any foreign policy experience. It's ridiculous she got the post over Susan Rice, whom has much more experience. Lets just be honest: this was a political gesture pure and simple.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
It is about the leadership, that is the change we need. Obama stated that we will work to get out of Iraq and solve Afghanistan. He is reengaging in the world's affair as a partner. Get over the Hillary-Hate. Have some faith! I think Obama is way more qualified than you bitches!
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
If I was Obama I would dump Billary right after the '12 elections and promote Susan Rice to Secretary of State.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Hillary-Haters just piss me off!
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
You know what pisses me off... Saying McCain would be a better commander-in-chief than Obama. Yeah I know people say a lot of nasty things in elections, but you don't say that the other side is better than someone on your sided. That is dirty pool.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
I guess you should have voted for the great idealist Nader. I voted to have our problems solved, not to push forward a narrow agenda of personalities...
Actually I believe it was the politically smart thing to appoint Hillary, but I'm hoping Obama will dump her after the '12 elections.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
I think it would be smart to see how she does before you make plans to "dump" her.
jcgraham77
· 12 months ago
I totally support Obama...but his was a personality campaign if there ever has been one.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
That is what primaries are generally about. The issue differences are really small so it comes down to the "best" personality. I was a big Hillary supporter. I say we give them all a chance to actually get into office and start working before we try to tear ANY of them down. I really think the best person for the job won.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
Bill Clinton saying the only reason why Obama won certain primaries was because he was black also pissed me off. Same with their support for DOMA. So basically Clinton bigotry pisses me off.
Anyhow, bottom line I don't trust either of them as far as I could throw them. They have ulterior motives, and Obama should dump her at first opportunity which will probably be after the '12 election.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Bill is not Hillary, get over it. Change your name to hater already.
It is called campaigning for a primary. Like John said get over it already.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
Oh so I guess Bush speaking at Bob Jones was all right then, because apparently the primary gives you immunity to do whatever the fuck you want.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Reality is a bitch.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
No Hillary is. Snaps.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Beautiful Intelligent Talented Confident Happy. Are you a bitch? Why not? Words that hurt should be turned around and put to work.
When all else fails resort to misogyny.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
And when all else fails for the Clintons turn to racism... or murder.
Kcunac
· 12 months ago
Is it any wonder most people are cynical about politics when it's just the culture to write it off that ' People make shit up during campaigns. Get over it already.' I know it's true. I think it's disgraceful.
jurassicpork
· 12 months ago
So in other words, Johnny boy, we're now free and clear to never again believe a word that Obama or any other Democrat ever says?
What's the word I'm looking for when a politician says one thing about an opponent then turns around and does something major that signals the opposite?
Oh, yeah: Hypocrite. That's it.
If you're comfortable with Obama being revealed as a hypocrite time and again before he even takes office, then good luck with that. You get what you deserve.
What you don't seem to want to address is how hideously un qualified Hillary is to run Foggy Bottom, reasons that I'd already gone into in my next-to-last post. I mean, the woman is a John McCain-ian foreign relations nightmare. If you ask me, Obama's trying to put the wrong Clinton in the State Dept.
I just think it's beyond naive to think that people are somehow not permitted to kiss and make-up after an election is over. Kissing and making up is what makes politics work, otherwise we spend our entire lives hating each other and hating everyone we've ever known. And then, well, you might as well become a Republican.
jurassicpork
· 12 months ago
So, bottom line, Johnny, this is the part where we can stop listening to Obama because he's a cowardly hypocrite?
Kissing and making up is one thing. But they're in the same party. This isn't a bipartisan reacharound that makes everyone dab at their eyes and realize how beastly and silly they all were.
Obama said Hillary was woefully inexperienced when it comes to foreign policy and he was right. Now suddenly, she's our best bet to set the entire State Dept. aright?
So are we supposed to develop amnesia and forget about this when Obama goes on the defensive in his re-election campaign in '12? If we can't trust these guys when they're on the stump, why should we trust them once they're installed?
jurassicpork
· 12 months ago
Btw, I wouldn't think of jumping parties and switching loyalties. That's for certain A list bloggers who all happen to be of Greek descent. Of which I'm neither.
Joe
· 12 months ago
"Kissing and making up is what makes politics work, otherwise we spend our entire lives hating each other and hating everyone we've ever known."
Do you think the Prop 8 protestors can kiss and make up?
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
These guys have gone off the deep end of idealism and joined PUMA
I don't care what they are going to agree on. I'm afraid Hillary will go rogue to further her own political career. And if you don't think the Clintons would do something like that then as Coach Parcells would say "you have been eating the cheese."
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Coach who? You are no better than Palin, questioning Obama's judgment and wisdom. Obamalover I am going to give Barack a chance. I may not be one of the cool kids like you, but I am willing to wait, trust and see how things work out.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
To be clear I like the Obama's appointments so far, eventhough I have disdain for the Clinton's. They give him political cover to maneuver to the left.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
Your disdain clouds your judgment. Just like the MSM.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
No, the facts cloud my judgment.
David Allen
· 12 months ago
On this, I beg to differ. You should never say anything about your opponent that isn't true. If Obama /Clinton didn't mean what they said, then they were LYING! If they were not LYING, then Obama has no business appointing Clinton SoS and Clinton has no business accepting a job from an man not qualified to be president.
They are not being "pragmatic", they are being weasels..
If Republicans did this, we would be all over their ass (justifiably so).
We cannot claim the high ground and champion truth, then toss truth under the proverbial bus when reporters ask inconvenient questions.
The media, in this case, is doing its job. The only bit we get to bitch about is the fact that this is a major change of tactics from the covering the GOP.
The questions are not "ill-informed" they are dead on the money.
jcgraham77
· 12 months ago
DITTO!!!!
jcgraham77
· 12 months ago
OMG>>>>I laughed so hard I almost puked when I read this post. What is funny about this situation is how far the blogosphere went to demonize Hillary. Now yall have to live with it and act like the nomination is a principled decision and the primary election was just a "spoof/game". "It was all in fun and games". Hahahaha. Get real! He hates her as much as she does him and he is removing her from the senate and she can't turn down the job. And yes, I was a Hillary supporter but never demonized Obama. Whats funny is that Bill is in the running for the senate seat. That would be a hoot!
John Aravosis
· 12 months ago
I don't have to live with anything - my guy is going to be president in 6 weeks. Both sides demonized each other - that's what happens in politics. Then you get over it. That is, if you're mature.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
No the mature thing would have been after it became a statistical impossibility to win not to try to bring down your fellow Democrat in the closing months of the primaries in the hope that a Republican would win the election and you could run in '12.
An_American_Karol
· 12 months ago
Hillary did well in campaigning for Obama after she lost - Don't get me wrong, I am not a Hillary supporter, but I understand why Obama chose her for SOS.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
She campaigned for him so she wouldn't be perceived as wanting Obama to lose the election. Do you honestly believe Hillary wanted Obama to win? After all "it would be nice to have two people who love this country run for president." And I'm guessing Obama doesn't love this country enough to be President.
That said I'm tentatively supporting her selection to SOS until after the '12 election when Obama should be free to dump her.
jcgraham77
· 12 months ago
Oh I am totally over it and actually glad Obama won the primary and general. I just think it is silly for you to say its all ok now. You wouldn't be singing the same song if Hillary had won.
TomJoad
· 12 months ago
Man...there are two sides to that coin. How far did Hillary go to demonize (a completely overworked word by the way) Obama?
You think anyone would have problems finding things Hillary said that were at odds with working in an Obama administration?
jcgraham77
· 12 months ago
I said that "I" didn't demonize Obama. I wasn't referring to the candidates...just the supporters. I totally agree with everyone about the whole its an election get over it thing...but I would also admit that DURING the election not after when my candidate has won. I dont' think many here would.
ndtovent
· 12 months ago
Reporters ALways grossly overstate the obvious when narrating about an issue, and ALways ask stupid ass questions at press conferences, e.g., the one who asked Colin Powell how he felt about condom use at a press briefing on the Iraq situation (what an asshole...lol!). They do it 1) to draw attention, and 2) because we have a lot of dumb ass americans in the u.s. with no common sense or much brain matter in general who actually wouldn't know the answers to some of the easiest non-issue questions. Sad state of affairs.
Joe the Commenter
· 12 months ago
Amen.
I wanted to reach into the TV (actually the radio) and smack the second/third/fourth reporter that asked a variation on "you said they suck, now you are friends, this is not possible..." and then they spew a few words and pretend it matters...
The other theme that was stale before it was dished out is the whole "Clinton/drama" thing... "the Clintons create drama" blah blah blah... No, the media figured out long ago that it could fabricate drama and pass it off as news.
Ug and like the OP says, it's annoying as hell that the reporters pretend they don't know the answer. I know the answer, my neighbors know the answer. Please media, stop wasting time with inane questions, do a little research and ask a real question. It happens every now and then.
Ahhh rant threads are fun.
An_American_Karol
· 12 months ago
What's funny are the people who believe everything they hear during the primaries and general election - Obama is a socialist, Marxist, communist... Once a person goes through a few of these elections, he/she knows what is election bullshit and what's the truth. There is more bullshit.
Obamalover
· 12 months ago
Yeah but you expect that kind of B.S. to come from Repukes like Rove, Palin, and Chambliss; not from a fellow Democrat.
Rob Mule
· 12 months ago
The corporate cable media and talking head print guests are just so totally lame... I was thinking during my brief peek at morning cable...not an easy trick...just how long can the confederacy of idea-bankrupt morning dunces chew the tasteless cud of old political hem and haw??? Somebody get me video of paint drying...quick! Thanks God nothing but American politics, celebrity news and terrorism are the only things happening in the world...
TomJoad
· 12 months ago
Corporate media is incredibly adept at "playing dumb". Foregoing actually relevant questions, because they so despise and have contempt for their audience.
The trend now in the US "news media" is unfortunate. Hyper-vigilance over trivial outward appearances, and NO coverage of depth. I was really sickened by post-debate "analysis" which only consisted of "did that SCORE with people?" tactical...
And since then, everything trivial means way too much, how they "greeted" and where people sat, and....just lame.
eastriver
· 12 months ago
How fucking dare you. Seriously. You were the biggest Hillary Hater out there. Fuck you for the attempted about-face. Stick by your guns, you pussy.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 12 months ago
You are a nasty person.
wearing out my F key
· 12 months ago
oh yeah, candidates just make things up. like saying you took fire in bosnia, or that you're going to end the war. those things aren't to be taken seriously. just part of the job.
and why don't reporters just tell people what they know to be true? asking questions is a huge waste of time. clinton and obama were rivals, and now they're not. iraq had wmd's and now they don't. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!
dula
· 12 months ago
How dare you criticize our President-Elect during wartime? Why do you hate America so much? Why so bitter and negative?
All Comments
You just sent two year railing at the Republicans for their lies. I love Obama, and I think he should be held accountable for what he said about Hillary in the past.
You should be careful about your hypocrisy.
Obama was not lying when he hyperbolically equated Hillary's foreign policy experience with tea parties. However, a lot can be said in a tea party with Tony Blair, so in reality she wasn't lying either. Professional politicians do not take these charges personally during a campaign. They think of them as tactical challenges to be bested. I don't really see any "getting over it" between Hillary and Obama. That challenge is a media construct to create news. No accountability is required outside of the statement, "we are no longer in a primary campaign," which is basically what Obama said today.
2. because the truth does not sell news
3. because the idiots who do graduate from journalism school don't understand that what people want is the truth, not entertainment.
"get over it"
isn't that what W said when he admitted he was breaking the law and illegally spying on US citizens?
So far, Obama is opting for more of the same, not much change. I know very few die hard dems that think shillary is a good idea. Shes a corrupt insider. She thinks the the Gaza Wall is a wonderful thing. ya, genocide is wonderful.
oh well.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/12/1/141...
really small so it comes down to the "best" personality. I was a big
Hillary supporter. I say we give them all a chance to actually get into
office and start working before we try to tear ANY of them down. I really
think the best person for the job won.
Anyhow, bottom line I don't trust either of them as far as I could throw them. They have ulterior motives, and Obama should dump her at first opportunity which will probably be after the '12 election.
When all else fails resort to misogyny.
What's the word I'm looking for when a politician says one thing about an opponent then turns around and does something major that signals the opposite?
Oh, yeah: Hypocrite. That's it.
If you're comfortable with Obama being revealed as a hypocrite time and again before he even takes office, then good luck with that. You get what you deserve.
What you don't seem to want to address is how hideously un qualified Hillary is to run Foggy Bottom, reasons that I'd already gone into in my next-to-last post. I mean, the woman is a John McCain-ian foreign relations nightmare. If you ask me, Obama's trying to put the wrong Clinton in the State Dept.
http://pumapac.org/
Kissing and making up is one thing. But they're in the same party. This isn't a bipartisan reacharound that makes everyone dab at their eyes and realize how beastly and silly they all were.
Obama said Hillary was woefully inexperienced when it comes to foreign policy and he was right. Now suddenly, she's our best bet to set the entire State Dept. aright?
So are we supposed to develop amnesia and forget about this when Obama goes on the defensive in his re-election campaign in '12? If we can't trust these guys when they're on the stump, why should we trust them once they're installed?
Do you think the Prop 8 protestors can kiss and make up?
http://pumapac.org/
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/12/1/141...
They are not being "pragmatic", they are being weasels..
If Republicans did this, we would be all over their ass (justifiably so).
We cannot claim the high ground and champion truth, then toss truth under the proverbial bus when reporters ask inconvenient questions.
The media, in this case, is doing its job. The only bit we get to bitch about is the fact that this is a major change of tactics from the covering the GOP.
The questions are not "ill-informed" they are dead on the money.
That said I'm tentatively supporting her selection to SOS until after the '12 election when Obama should be free to dump her.
You think anyone would have problems finding things Hillary said that were at odds with working in an Obama administration?
I wanted to reach into the TV (actually the radio) and smack the second/third/fourth reporter that asked a variation on "you said they suck, now you are friends, this is not possible..." and then they spew a few words and pretend it matters...
The other theme that was stale before it was dished out is the whole "Clinton/drama" thing... "the Clintons create drama" blah blah blah... No, the media figured out long ago that it could fabricate drama and pass it off as news.
Ug and like the OP says, it's annoying as hell that the reporters pretend they don't know the answer. I know the answer, my neighbors know the answer. Please media, stop wasting time with inane questions, do a little research and ask a real question. It happens every now and then.
Ahhh rant threads are fun.
Once a person goes through a few of these elections, he/she knows what is election bullshit and what's the truth. There is more bullshit.
I was thinking during my brief peek at morning cable...not an easy trick...just how long can the confederacy of idea-bankrupt morning dunces chew the tasteless cud of old political hem and haw???
Somebody get me video of paint drying...quick!
Thanks God nothing but American politics, celebrity news and terrorism are the only things happening in the world...
Foregoing actually relevant questions, because they so despise and have contempt for their audience.
The trend now in the US "news media" is unfortunate. Hyper-vigilance over trivial outward appearances, and NO coverage of depth. I was really sickened by post-debate "analysis" which only consisted of "did that SCORE with people?" tactical...
And since then, everything trivial means way too much, how they "greeted" and where people sat, and....just lame.
and why don't reporters just tell people what they know to be true? asking questions is a huge waste of time. clinton and obama were rivals, and now they're not. iraq had wmd's and now they don't. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!