AMERICAblog: Phil Gramm: You bunch of whiners, the video
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Meanwhile checking the Rethug Good Whining Department, the failed Bushies are whining to the Germans about Obama's proposed July 24 Brandenberg Gate speech:
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reported this week that a member of the Bush delegation approached Merkel's foreign policy advisor, Christoph Heusgen, at the G-8 summit in Japan to discuss misgivings about Obama's planned speech.
Such compassionate conservatism! Ready the trap door, St Peter!
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Just for the record.... When's the last time a poor man ran for president? When's the last time a poor man gave you a job? When's the last time a poor man gave you a big tip for being an efficient services employee? How is the poor man going to afford to work and pay for your unfunded SS and medicare liability? just askin...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
"A big tip" ?
Are you really a Busboy?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Many , many years ago...
BCPipes
· 1 year ago
Question 1: Irrelevant. When was the last time an intelligent man, who knows what it's like to be poor, ran for President. 1998, I think. Question 2: When was the last time a poor man laid you off (With the sole purpose of enriching stock holders. Not that I have a problem with profit. It's just that profit is unsustainable without goods and services)? I kinda like what The Duke said in a movie once: "Nobody just 'gives' you a job!" Question 3: Relative. I have gotten tips from poor people that were as much as they could give. Question 4: SS and Medicare are funded just fine and have worked just fine since their inception ('til it was raided to fund an illegal war). SS is back by US Treasury Bills. If you have any T-Bills, and think they're "worthless IOU's", I'll be happy to buy them from you for $0.10/$1.00. And, if T-Bills are worthless........ Every major city in the US is on fire! Run for your lives! Sorry General, but nukes won't stop 'em!
Busboy
· 1 year ago
You are living in your own universe; and it's disintegrating because you don't understand how things work.
BCPipes
· 1 year ago
Thank you for a thoughtful and detailed rebuttal. I guess I lose the debate with my shallow personal attack on you, huh?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
You seem to have a mindset that rejects common sense and relies on scapegoatism.
There is no social security trust fund. There has never been a t-bond or t-bill issued to a social security trust fund or "lockbox":, if you will. SS deposits are swept into the general fund every year and spent by the government. There is a book entry showing how much was robbed from social security every year. Why don't you know this stuff?
BCPipes
· 1 year ago
I do know this. Being an optimist, I speak from an as-it-should-be viewpoint. On the other hand, YOU cannot say it hasn't been the most successful social program in history. Before SS, half of seniors lived in poverty. After SS, senior poverty rates dropped to 7%. (the labor movement of the 20th century helped, too, of course) I am fully aware that the SS fund is open for pillage. That is one of 2 things that need to be done for it: "Lockbox" it, as you say. And raise the cap. If these things are not done, it will still be solvent for decades. Unless, the right wing achieves it's objective of NOTHING being solvent, but for about 1 or 2% of the population. As for privatisation: Would you want to be cashing out your private SS account right now? http://www.nyse.com/
My daughter started in on me with the rag about, "Why should I pay for your SS?!?" I told her, "To immensely reduce the chances of your mother and me having to move in with you when we can't work anymore." She had no reply. The right wing is pushing SS privatisation, apparently on the assumption that my children hate me (Moreover, that a stock brokerage lobby stands to make a literal killing in commissions. After all, only they and certain misanthropic libertarians want it). I changed my daughter's mind because, thankfully she loves me immeasurably.
BCPipes
· 1 year ago
Correction on question 1: 1996
Shannon
· 1 year ago
Dennis Kucinich was a poor man......he was even homeless as a child and his family lived in their car, even now he is a man of modest means..........sho voted for him??? is the bigger question...........so who is to blame when the elitists in Bu$hCo weild all of the power?
brian
· 1 year ago
I guess if your filthy rich by putting your fellow Americans out of work or making them work for less money then complaining about people who want to work and have food is okay. Stagnant wages, more people in poverty, more people underinsured and more debt than all other Administrations combined. I can understand why people are whining.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I always thought Gramm was a looney.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
They're all looney, BB. We are now suffering the unintended consequences which the world of hard knocks bestows upon the terminally stupid; brought about by politicians who are as clueless as a freshman at a senior prom.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
They all get too ambitious.
They're worried about leaving a legacy rather than the basics: Balancing the budget, keeping us out of unnecessary wars, and investing in infrastructure, industries and people.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
I agree. They want four layers of icing on the cake with extra marzipan but have no interest in baking an edible cake with wholesome ingredients.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
B_B, you're starting to make sense..... Have to check the traps; you're getting too close to the stargate....
BillP
· 1 year ago
This is old hat to us Texas folks. Phil is singularly obnoxious and petulant at all times, and has a tendency to swoop in and claim credit for things he opposed. The term in Texas is Grammstanding. His wife, Wendy, was on the board of Enron. 'nuff said.
BP
Forty2
· 1 year ago
There's a lot more about Gramm that is NOT getting aired. This is a dangerous bastard.
All Comments
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reported this week that a member of the Bush delegation approached Merkel's foreign policy advisor, Christoph Heusgen, at the G-8 summit in Japan to discuss misgivings about Obama's planned speech.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccains-report...
Are you really a Busboy?
Question 2: When was the last time a poor man laid you off (With the sole purpose of enriching stock holders. Not that I have a problem with profit. It's just that profit is unsustainable without goods and services)? I kinda like what The Duke said in a movie once: "Nobody just 'gives' you a job!"
Question 3: Relative. I have gotten tips from poor people that were as much as they could give.
Question 4: SS and Medicare are funded just fine and have worked just fine since their inception ('til it was raided to fund an illegal war). SS is back by US Treasury Bills. If you have any T-Bills, and think they're "worthless IOU's", I'll be happy to buy them from you for $0.10/$1.00. And, if T-Bills are worthless........ Every major city in the US is on fire! Run for your lives! Sorry General, but nukes won't stop 'em!
There is no social security trust fund. There has never been a t-bond or t-bill issued to a social security trust fund or "lockbox":, if you will. SS deposits are swept into the general fund every year and spent by the government. There is a book entry showing how much was robbed from social security every year.
Why don't you know this stuff?
My daughter started in on me with the rag about, "Why should I pay for your SS?!?" I told her, "To immensely reduce the chances of your mother and me having to move in with you when we can't work anymore." She had no reply. The right wing is pushing SS privatisation, apparently on the assumption that my children hate me (Moreover, that a stock brokerage lobby stands to make a literal killing in commissions. After all, only they and certain misanthropic libertarians want it). I changed my daughter's mind because, thankfully she loves me immeasurably.
brought about by politicians who are as clueless as a freshman at a senior prom.
They're worried about leaving a legacy rather than the basics: Balancing the budget, keeping us out of unnecessary wars, and investing in infrastructure, industries and people.
BP
http://tunguskan.blogspot.com/2008/07/phil-gram...