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AMERICAblog: Pope continues to bridge gap with Islam

  • Serf · 1 year ago
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Pope Condomphobe 32nd should spend more time stopping molestation and less time pandering to the Melanie Phillips "Eurabia" fearmongering crowd
  • celticbuddha · 1 year ago
    Being pluralist, I would say that what the Pope did was within the rights of his church and really is no concern of any other religion, just as any Islamic denomination does what it likes in converting Christians. However I would qualify such a statement by saying that the Vatican is hardly a disciple of pluralism.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    Benny Ratzi Natzi should only go shopping for Prada shoes, suck off some Curia cock, swing his flaming purse around for High Mass, and shut the fuck up. I really think the RCC is more and more irrelevant than ever. Happy Easter myth lovers all!
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    Uh... I'm pretty sure that this has nothing to do with the declining numbers of the Church in the US.

    The Catholic Church is declining due to attrition, and I don't think that some guy converting to Catholicism is going to offend people who are already Catholic.
  • ahaque · 1 year ago
    What Pope said about Islam and Mohammad last year was incendiary and calculated. Since then he has made efforts to negate the fallout since by talking with Muslim scholars and leaders. Why is it necessary for the Pope to personally convert a Muslim? While Pope has a right to do it but it will again send a wrong message to 1.6 billion Muslims who suspect the Pope is anti Islam.

    No doubt this new convert to Catholicism will be a poster boy for Christianity and I guess a small solace that close to one million Christians and others convert to Islam around the world and in the US every year.
  • FNReedie · 1 year ago
    Nothing more than throwing fuel on the fire. The Pope has no interest in having a peaceful co-existence with Islam.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    WTF? Since when is an invitation by that hideous homo-hater Pope Maledict an "honor"? Is Chris in Paris SERIOUS? And Moslems are expected to think of converting to Christianity as an olive branch? This is the looniest post I have ever seen.
  • Sarah B. · 1 year ago
    Shirley

    OMG! -- Pope Maledict! -- that's perfect.

    I will never think of him as anything else -- well, other than Benny the Rat, which also fits him very well. One thing he ain't is Benedict -- there is absolutely nothing bene about that malevolent, malicious, homophobic old rodent!

    Thanks for the good laugh, though -- definitely of the out-loud variety and much appreciated.
    :)
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  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    What a pointless topic. Converting from talking to a Muslim big head in the sky to a Catholic big head in the sky. Most disturbing is that the same guy got brainwashed by two different forms of mind control.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Hardly pointless. What Bennie the Rat did was poke a big stick into the eye of Muslim fundamentalists. This has now pretty much given them a reason to attack Catholic churches everywhere.

    A Muslim converting to Christianity is about the worst thing he can do. Benny just threw down a challenge to even moderate Muslims.

    What a freaking idiot!
  • pedro morgado · 1 year ago
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    How is this helping to bridge the gap between the Catholic church and Islam?
    Hum . . . well, I'm stumbling through this new Disqus system (I was gone for a few days and look what happened!) but here's my thought about briding the gap: The only "bridge" the "Pontifex" (bridge-builder) is interested in is a one way bridge into the Roman Vatican Theocracy. To that end, the baptism of a Moslem is a significant step into reconquering the Islamic-occupied parts of the Holy Roman Empire, later known as the Austro-Hungarian Empire and temporarily on hiatus from the League of Nations. Once the Hapsburg family is restored to its proper place in Vienna as the ruling Catholic Emperor, the Re-Conquest of Eastern Europe and the Return of the Orthodox schismatics can be enforced with Constantine's Holy Sword.
    Maybe you think I made that up but only a little . . . :-)
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    Er...

    The Holy Roman Empire was essentially Germany, the Pope wasn't emperor of it, and I don't believe that any part of it is currently Islamic-occupied.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Hi, Andrew, nice of you to read my posting. I didn't say the pope was the emperor of the HRE, nor did I imply it. History demonstrates the unending tangle that is the Vatican-Imperial system, but you knew that . . . right back to Charlemagne and by further entangling, back to Constantine. You knew that.

    Hugs!
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    Indigo, I'm not exactly sure *what* you're saying. I do know that you said that ``the baptism of a Moslem is a significant step into reconquering the Islamic-occupied parts of the Holy Roman Empire,'' presumably the Pope would be doing this conquering, since he's doing the baptizing.

    So I guess the question remains, which portions of the Holy Roman Empire are Islamic-occupied?

    (Also, which Constantine? The emperor or the pope? 200 years separate the two.)
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    (scratch that. 400 years separate the two. Which pope was I thinking of...)
  • Sarah B. · 1 year ago
    Hi, there, Indigo!

    My favorite line about the Holy Roman Empire is that it was neither "Holy" nor "Roman" nor an "Empire" -- except in the mind of self-proclaimed Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558), who combined the worst and most arrogant characteristics of the inbred courts of Spain, Burgundy, and Austria.

    Is it too much of a stretch to suggest that the Habsburgs were the early modern version of the Bush Crime Family? Both dynasties feature an arrogant "Decider" at the helm who loved to sport a codpiece.
    :)
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  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Hi Sarah!

    "Neither holy nor Roman, and not much of an empire!" That was it. You know, before the Hapsburgs, the Hohenstuafens (spelling?) were the Holy Roman Imperial family through the Middle Ages and before them, it was a poltical football going clear back to Charlemagne, one way or the other. The pope's idea in crowing Charlemagne was to get him motivated to fight the Moslems in Spain so, yes, I think it's all very much the same quarrel we see today and there it is, almost a thousand years ago, maybe a little more. What a mess, huh?

    Take care, Sarah!

    -Indigo
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    "Neither holy nor Roman, and not much of an empire!"

    I think we can agree on that.

    Is that an Eddie Izzard quote? I know he did a funny bit on empires.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I made it up but maybe he did.

    -Indigo
  • Sarah B. · 1 year ago
    Hi, there, Andrew

    Actually, I got that wonderful quote about the HRE from my favorite History professor -- Fred J. Levy, Ph.D., who is now Professor Emeritus -- and the course focused on late-medieval and early-modern Europe.

    I adore Eddie Izzard -- he's totally hilarious and very clever -- and it does sound like something he might say. I'm going to look for a DVD with his funny bit on empires -- that's one I haven't seen. Thanks for the heads-up!
    :)
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  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    And with the Orthodox schismatics the Islamist Heretics as well!
  • clytemnestra · 1 year ago
    from the Times (UK)

    After the baptism, the Pope said that faith "is a force for peace and reconciliation in the world: distances between people are overcome, in the Lord we have become close."

    However the move revived memories of the Muslim fury which greeted Pope Benedict's speech at Regensburg University in German in 2006 in which he appeared to brand Islam as inherently violent, inhumane and irrational by quoting a Byzantine emperor to that effect.

    He has since sought to make amends, praying in a mosque in Turkey and establishing a permanent forum for Catholic-Muslim dialogue to be inaugurated in November. His talks last November with King Abdullah in Rome have led to exploratory discussions on opening a church in Saudi Arabia, where at present all faiths other than Islam are banned.

    However, in a combative article for Corriere della Sera, the Italian paper of which he is a deputy editor, Mr Allam - who has lived in Italy most of his adult life and has a Catholic wife - said his soul had been "liberated from the obscurantism of an ideology which legitimises lies and dissimulation, violent death, which induces both murder and suicide, and blind submission to tyranny".

    Instead he had "seen the light" and joined "the authentic religion of Truth, Life and Liberty". He added: "Beyond the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent in a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam."