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Y'know fuck this. How many more dead doctors and cops are we going to have to take before we finally do something About these TERRORISTS.
yeah, guns don't kill people, crazed whack jobs who are allowed to stockpile them to declare war on the Government and anyone they disagree with politically, do.
You'd think that now that we're so sensitive to terrorism that we wouldn't just turn a blind eye to it because the murder and killing is being done in the name of a political ideology that is somehow still taken seriously by a small crazed but very vocal minority of people in this country. It may be politically risky to reign these terrorists in but to do nothing just invites them to become more brazen and it unfortunately may one day reach Obama himself. Hopefully this Government won't sit on it's hands because it fears another Ruby Ridge or Waco to give these freaks another martyr. Which like any good crazed fanatic, is what they seek anyways.
I am not feeling ecumenical today. I think all religions are nuts.
/disgusted snark
"Note that had Obama held firm in the face of the criticism last month, he'd be riding high right now and the GOP would be cowering in shame for having basically enabled this terrorist act."
Re-read what you wrote, John. It is so politically calculating it is gross. Plus you have zero evidence to support this claim. When does the GOP cower in shame over anything they say or do? Sarah Palin refused to call abortion bombers terrorists during the campaign and got zero heat for it from the MSM.
I send my condolences to the family of this doctor.
You really think that the dept. of Homeland Security withdrew a report is what caused this incident to occur? What is your proof? This kind of violence against abortion doctors has been going on for decades. Trying to blame the Obama administration and Democrats for the action of one deranged man is truly bizarre.
If you disagree that Obama should not have withdrawn a report, fine, but trying to blame that action for today's shooting is irrational. Kind of like something Sen. John Kyl or dare I say, Rush Limbaugh, would say.
I strongly disagree with the title use of "pro-life" to describe this terrorist. Many terms could be used for a description - anti-abortionist, murderer, rightwing fanatic, American Taliban, hate monger, ruiner of lives - but pro-life is not one of them.
We should NEVER use their terminology.
We're in a "WAR", remember? Obey and STFU - its what Dems live by.
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/05/31/oreillys_ta...
"was a repeated target of Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly made such inflammatory statements as calling him "Tiller, the baby killer" as well as "murderer," "barbarian" and "disgrace" for years on television."
A few yeas ago I was watching a news program and there were demonstrations outside of an abortion clinic. Things got heated when the two sides clashed. The reporter at the scene referred to one side as "pro-life" and the other side as "pro-choice." I remember thinking if someone is pro-life does that make those on the opposite side pro-death? From that day on I started using the term anti-choice. The right-wing have managed to take important symbols like our flag and terms such as 'life" and associate them with their political views.
For me "choice" means; women "have an inherent right to make private decisions regarding their bodies." The government and someone else's religious views or moral code should not be imposed on that individual. Being in favor of people living freely and making medical decisions; without the intrusion from others, makes me Pro-life. Being in favor of gays and lesbians living fulfilled lives and having the same rights as their straight counterparts, makes me pro-life.
Being against a senseless war like the war in Iraq, makes me pro-life. Being in favor of programs to better the lives of the poor, makes me pro-life. So, I guess I don't mind the term "pro-life", it just depends on who and what it's being used to define.
The other angle is the fact that this poor man was shot in front of his wife and in front of his congregation at the church he attended and participated in. Now this is where I want to see the reaction of the religious right. Are they going to condemn this nut who defiled a church to commit murder inside of it or are they going to condemn the church for giving an abortion doctor not only membership but a role inside the church?
I think that as unfortunate and sad as this incident was, it's an opportunity for all involved on the periphery of this incident to show their quality (or lack thereof).
I think putting blame on President Obama is unfair. I agree that he and other democrats often do get rolled by the GOP, but the shooter in this instance, and the "pro-life" movement are responsible for this tragedy, and Obama "riding high" would not have prevented this murder, nor would it have mitigated the pain this terrorist has caused.
Gay -- under the bus. Environmentalist -- under the bus. Worker -- under the bus. Right-wing homophobe -- come on in. Bush enabler -- sure, come on in.
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hey boo,cant LOOK FOWARD...too controversial
cant look back either too scary......hey cant look anywhere way toooooo busy collecting corporate bucks
I hope no one in the Secret Service is getting complacent about Obama himself. He's the big prize for these sickos.
The Christian Taliban is even more insidious. It hides it's ugly head in seeming normalcy. It's your next door neighbor, your work mates, your church members.
I hate CNN showing peaceful marches at abortion clinics and calling this doctor - controversial. grRRRR
They caught the guy - good. Send him to Gitmo and torture him under the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield torture playbook. Waterboard him until he gives his leaders up. And if that doesn't work, pull his nails out - hey, it's not life threatening it's all good, pull his teeth out of his mouth. We can have some sadistic doctor there to ensure he doesn't die, or revive him when he passes out with pain.
Am I pissed? You better believe it.
The Christian Taliban is no better than the Muslim Taliban. The difference is these terrorists can vote.
Really?
I'm all for keeping up the pressure on various left causes, for being critical when the administration is moving too slow (it's been four months already, and there's been no movement on issue X!!!), but like Lolis said, this is just gross.
"Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches."
He did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God? Dr. Tiller was in a church, you dumb ass.
Also... PLEASE....if you don't have the 'equipment' then, you don't know 'squat." ....You know .... you would not like ME to have the 'upper hand', as it were, in YOUR sexual decisions.
Two... I met a woman, yesterday, who was one of the "Christian Death Squad" who tried to 'convert me'. She had no idea what the conceptus was... and had not heard(read or what ever) that the zygote, when fertilized, produces several other things besides a 'fetus.' And that a number of non-fetal structures form at fertilization and many times a pregnancy happens without a fetus (which, if not naturally aborted, should be). And in fact, there is strong evidence that retroviruses played a vital part in the division of placental animals from those that laid eggs and that they were separated by retrovirus infections, like HIV.....(the difference between we mammals and monotremes is the DNA in the .... placenta ... different from the other tissues in the rest of the 'conceptus'. The placenta has retorvirus DNA fragments) .
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/39/14390.abstract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus
Most of the power play between there Rightious Right has everything to do with manipulation of an ignorant population.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=...
I think it's naive to lay responsibility for this on the report's withdrawal. These people are religious extremists. The guy who did this would not have stopped if that report had been kept.
Lutherans have a long history of going to war with catholics in SELF DEFENSE and it can happen AGAIN!
Catholicism is dogma. You either follow the Pope's orders or you can be killed, raped, shunned, etc.
Both are as useless as teats on a boar.
Let's wait and see how long they will continue to ignore this homeland terror created by these religious reich wing terrorists. IF you don't believe the way they do, they will just kill you. It's as simple as that. There is no difference between them and the Taliban.
It's time for a new progress grass roots party. Who do we have that isn't afraid of these fools in Congress?
I tried.
And yeah, I will call them that now.
Obama has not done anything notable that bush wouldnt have done.
See?
Their targets have become literal targets.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/5/20/1720...
It is about a group that certifies chaplains for the military, which is supposed to be tolerant to all faiths, yet dislikes Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslima, Wiccans, and just about everyone else besides end-time propheteers (aka profiteers).
And speaking of religious profiteers, would you put your money in a "Reincarnation Bank"?
http://www.reincarnationbank.com/index.html
To make a withdrawal:
"No claim can be made before the age of majority, majority age being an age after the date of the clients (sic) demise. All claims may be subject to verification through regression."
Their Motto:
"Begin by believing and just do it. The great end of life is not just knowledge, but action so act now and save for your reincarnation."
Give me the spaghetti monster any day.
The minority terrorizing the majority.
Hey asshole, are you TRYING to give the wingnut opposition talking points against us?
A man is dead, killed in cold blood by a vile rightwing anti-choice nutjob.
That is factually correct.
An American church has not been "shot up", dipshit. This scumbag killed Dr. Tiller with a single shot. One single gunshot. He didn't walk into the church and open fire with an Uzi filling the church with bullet holes, as your writing suggests.
You might try getting your facts straight next time, ass. When you say that "an American church was shot up", when in fact, an American church was NOT "shot up", you make us look really bad. You would have been fired immediately had you gone to print with that sentence in any newspaper.
And blaming President Obama for this?
Seriously?
Go fuck yourself.
Now, to me it's starting to look like the same old games, smoke and mirrors, and politics. Just say what you have to say to get elected. Then once in office, instead of doing what you promised you just work on getting re-elected for four years.
That makes sense: since he was already shot in both arms by a forced-birth terrorist, since his clinic has already been bombed by forced-birth terrorist.
Perhaps it's PETA that shot one of the few doctors in the United States to help women who would die giving birth to a deformed fetus.
Or the Save the Rainforest people, or the ACLU -- give me a fucking break.
When Obama was elected, I thought the days of my stomach getting sick at the occupant of the Oval Office were over. I'm going to bed as I've probably never been as sick of the president as I am now. ... no, the truth is I'm sick of myself that I fell for this liar, crook, and politics as usual jackass.
I'm sure they would have all the problems cleaned up by now, huh?
Apparently, it's ok for innocent unborn babies, but not those advocating this heinous practice.
The city official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the case. The official did not provide additional details.
An attorney for Tiller, Dan Monnat, says the doctor was shot Sunday as he served as an usher during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church. Monnat said Tiller's wife, Jeanne, was in the choir at the time of the shooting.
This is so wrong, so wrong.
Religious extremist terrorists are the greatest threat to humanity. You are right that it does not matter what their particular flavor.
Get rid of the DLC triangulating Emanual or whatever that skull fuck is.
Yet, Obama sent Hillary to Pakistan to condemn them for accommodating the Taliban. I hope the Pakistani government speaks up about our hypocrisy.
I'm not going to give these fucks even an inch to try to give themselves even a semantical victory by using a term that elicits positive feelings rather than the negative one that puts them as the foes of a womens free and legal choice.
Churches who preach the "greatest evil" women's reproductive rights, are now sending news releases distancing themselves from this act.
CNN is playing right into this lie.
So I guess what the hell do you expect from a pig but a grunt, eh?
I include the Roman Catholic Church in this bunch. Now 6 of 9 Supreme Court Justices are part of this fucked up cult.
The catholic church bears some measure of responsibility for the decrease of our rights and freedoms in this country.
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=5...
Please spread this around to your friends and other blogs. Thanks.
Kindly quit your bigoted statements against ALL Christians.
"the shooting appeared to be an isolated act."
thats from the story at kansas.com
i'm not saying that what happened was OK. i'm as pissed at the guy who killed Dr. Tiller as everyone else. i just want some journalistic integrity. proof to back up the claims made. thats all. is it too much to ask?
Do you have any proof that Osama Bin Laden blew up the WTC? I mean did you actually seee him do it?
all i'm asking for is for someone to show me proof that it was a terrorist group and not just one person acting on their own... i guess thats too much to ask...
Not true, John. Democrats always have an eye on the future. Namely the two years of the next election cycle.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/31/737...
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/18662#comme...
have you lost your mind? i know you're upset about DADT, but a man is dead here. can't you allow one night to pass before exploiting his death politically?
This is post comes right of freeperville.
You have to learn to keep your issues separate
leave john alone!!!
Also, this post reeks of yellow journalism. I would agree with your points, but they way you dish this crap out is no better than the babblings the fundys on the right. Total turn off.
Terrorists killed 3000 on 9/11 - well, let's not descend into fear and hate about the whole attack-on-America thing.
Terrorists kill Ted Olson's wife - hey man, karma is a bitch.
A terrorist kills a late-term abortionist - wait a minute, that's going too far!
But I guess I should be happy that you all have finally come out against terrorism, whatever the reason.
Terrorists killed 3000 on 9/11 - well, let's not descend into fear and hate about the whole attack-on-America thing.
Terrorists kill Ted Olson's wife - hey man, karma is a bitch.
A terrorist kills a late-term abortionist - wait a minute, that's going too far!
But I guess I should be happy that you all have finally come out against terrorism, whatever the reason.
Weak. Very weak.
unless the report also stated that every abortion-doctor would be protected 24/7 even as they attend church, you are talking CRAZY as usual.
I presume all of you people have contacted the Wichita police and shared your inside knowledge of this crime and the conspiracy you accuse.
Because otherwise this would be nothing more than a contemptable way to use the death of Dr Tiller to take cheap shots at otherwise innocent people who disagree politically with you.