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Sunshine(the web) is the best dissenfectant.
If I was part of the "El Coyote" management it is time to hire a PR firm, because they are going to get a huge boycott. If they were in Orange County, or they wouldn't give a crap.
not aimed at you Aman, I'm just getting on my soapbox...
so... how do they put an apology? I'm sorry I gave money to a group bent on taking away from you the rights that everyone else has?
I just don't get it... and most of these people are like "I really didn't think about it" or "I didn't mean to hurt anyone".
what?!?! they didn't think about it when they whipped out a credit card and filled in all the info? They didn't mean to hurt anyone when they took away the right to solidify our relationships? They didn't think about all the people they deal with on a daily basis who this directly affected?? GLBT Family, friends, GLBT familes they know? how do you apologise to someone while admitting you gave money to take their rights away?
they didn't think... and we pay for it.
how do you apologise for that?
Yeah, an apology really makes no difference. I've only been to the place a couple of times. I don't plan on going back. I just feel bad for my friends who have gone there for 25 years, know this woman and feel hurt and betrayed. It's generous of them to hear her out.
I don't think they should "accept" the apology either. That may seem harsh, but the "I didn't meant to" or "I didn't think about it, look into it, etc." is just a way to avoid taking responsibility for one's actions. Hmmm... when I think about it, it's sort of the opposite of an apology, which by it's nature includes taking responsibility.
Hunters
Fisherman, (it is pretty good fly fishing)
Backpackers
Golfers (Sandpoint)
Skiers
Micron Technology is based in Boise
the panhandle of Idaho is a really beautiful area..
If the Simplot family contributed, (and I don't know if they did or did not) then look at McDonalds and Micron Technology under the microscope.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/12/104649...
Well, we're going to wake some people up! The mormon cult and others that supported this are going to learn that their contributions have consequences. You don't fuck with peoples existing rights.
California Musical Theatre's artistic director, Scott Eckern, resigned from his post today amid controversy over a donation he made to the Proposition 8 campaign to ban gay marriage.
Eckern gave $1,000 in support of Proposition 8, a donation that sparked criticism from theater workers and the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community.
"We have released a statement that Scott resigned," said Chris McSwain, community affairs director for the theater company. He declined to comment further.
http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/1391705.html
I hope she's happy with the outcome of her measly donation. Maybe she'll consider her political donations a little more carefully in the future.
it doesn't matter if its $10 or 10,000 to me... you're donating money to strip me of my civil rights. if you take the time to decide, you're obviously thinking... and if your clientele are gay, what does that say about how she really feels about them?
So.....
I know you are under incredible scrutiny...
But, I am writing a similar letter to every supporter of Prop 8 in my home state of Washington....and those I can identify other places.
I am a father of two sons...I grew up religious and Mormon...I served a mission and when I got home it all got really complicated. I fell in love with a boy from BYU--but no sex was involved......--just the feelings and the desire and the hope he would love me back.
I went to my Bishop with these feelings.....and he blessed me for being sin free and promised me that if I married these feelings would go away and just have been a test......
I married within six months to the only girl I knew and had ever really connected with...
But, six years and two sons later the feelings had never disappeared...they had only grown stronger and they infected my life and my dreams and since God had not changed me, I felt unworthy and that I should die.....
But, I could not leave me sons....
And, after therapy and time I came out and discussed this with my wife and family... They all knew. But, had been too afraid to talk to me and did not know what to say.....
Now....sixteen years later. I am out and proud and working hard to pay the bills, to keep my love life real and to have a life full and rich and rewarding. I serve my community daily. I still feel like a missionary in the church, still. I even paid for my sons' missions...the church took my money and cashed the checks but would not let me pick them up at the end of their missions because I was not of the correct 'faith'....
Then, Prop 8 passes....and I am right back in that place where I am struggling to hold on to my relationship with my Mormon sons, my family is silent and some are true to the faith and some are not. But, my boys, my kids, the people who I believe helped keep me alive during my darkest struggles to understand what being gay and alive was all about are still very committed to their belief and their church and I still question if I have a family and if my love for them has been enough.
And, then I learn that some many strangers who want to save marriage have donated money and time and lies and such to a political campaign to interfere with my work and my love and my family.
I blame you.
I want to scream at you. Because my kids are too young to understand that their religion is not their faith. Or, that their dad may love them and be on the right side of love rather than rules....
Shame on you....for putting your belief into discrimination and trying to exclude love from the world; from putting you money into interferring with a life long effort to keep my family in tact...
Shame on you.
Rob Killian,
Seattle, WA
"The Mormon Stock Index tries to measure the stock market performance of companies run by Mormon executives."
http://www.mormonstockindex.com/
(DELL Computers, American Express, Black and Decker, Diebold, Novell, priceline.com, Ryder, SkyWest Airlines are just a few of the nationally known companies the Mormons themselves identify as "Mormon-run". Oh, and Marriott, of course.)
Time to expand the boycott...
It was a sort of chain email from someone who knows this person and has been going to the restaurant for 15 years.
I sent and email to the restaurant and told them even though I live in DC, I will be forwarding the email to my friends.
I told the restaurant : Hate has consequences!
Just remember what Rosa Parks did.
There is no excuse not to know this.
El Coyote is sort of a tacky legendary landmark in LA. The whole Fairfax district abuts West Hollywood..
I attended a small rally in San Francisco last night and met some very nice people. A larger rally is planned for Saturday.
But I'm still thinking about last Friday's march. I was so proud. It was totally peaceful, and very moving. Thousands of us filled Market Street for many blocks. It took over half an hour for us to pass through the Castro District on our way to Dolores Park. Strangely the news coverage gave wildly different accounts of the crowd numbers. One account mentioned "hundreds", while AP called it "a thousand". The local CBS affiliate news called it 20,000. But the crowd had to be many thousands because it completely filled Dolores Park (several city blocks) and spilled over into the surrounding streets. Perhaps the divergent reports were the result of the crowd starting off small, and picking up more and more marchers and it made its way to the park. It was a very impromptu event, with word originating and spreading on the Internet. Like most, I only found out about it earlier that day.
I'm pleased also that we have protested at St. Mary's Cathedral and the Mormon Temple across the bay in Oakland. If these organizations want to fund hate, let there be repercussions. Let people start questioning their tax exempt status. Let people question their questionable histories, such as sex abuse and polygamy. Let the word "hypocrisy" be carried on placards to their doorsteps. Let them have to think about the public relations damage they will face when they dabble in the lives of those who do not belong to their faith.
CBS and a few other sources reported around that size. SFGate and AP have fluctuated between "several hundred" to "around 1000". What a joke! Those "several hundred" people would explain the four helicopters flying over my house for five hours last Friday evening. Oh, and I should add, my husband and I marched from Civic Center to the Castro then we came home. We knew it was ending up in Dolores Park and we figured the helicopters would leave soon. Wrong.
http://la.eater.com/archives/2008/11/11/el_coyo...
There margarita's suck anyway!
Main reason I don't go there: they have CANNED REFRIED BEANS in everything they serve. ew!
It's quite an unfortunate situation. It's the daughter of the owner who's a mormon, the rest of the family does not share her beliefs. In all fairness, I will not boycott El Coyote.
We need to measure our anger and really not retaliate with hate, the way the mormons have. We can't be a mirror of what they are doing against us.
EL COYOTE has gay employees among the total 100 employees that have been working there some 20 to 50 years. She acknowledges she made a mistake and that she would never hurt the gay community, but her religious belief is one thing. They are also making a substantial donation to the GAY AND LESBIAN CENTER... (I know all this because my coworker knows the owners and he was assessing them with PR stuff to manage this crisis- he is gay!)
This is a very difficult one and quite contradictory.... but are we going to boycott everyone who does not agree with our personal beliefs? Am I going to boycott all businesses that are atheists? I think not.
Again, remember, this is one person, and it was not the owner of EL COYOTE, but her daughter, the only mormon in the family!!!!
Please know that they won't go broke if it's closed down, but 100 hard-working blue collar workers will be left without a job. The family owns half a block, so quite frankly we would not be causing a dent in their pocket book, so think about that!
"Be impecable with your words" is the first agreement in the "Four Agreements" by Dr. Ruiz.
Sorry, but I will not support my community in this tyranical witch hunt... we need to be reasonable, sensible and first and foremost not react inhumanely, like the Mormon Church has against us.
OK, those are my 2 cents.
We'll tell them we will stop the boycott if they make their own beans.
Let's see what else do I want?: Oh yeah! FREE margaritas if you kiss a boy!
It is easy to go after those who are close by like the Fairfax district, then it is go to the places like Agoura, Thousand Oaks or Orange County, and make an affect.
People are angry, and anger at times means immediate reaction without much thought, much like I think boycotting Utah is a dumb move.
However, The owners of "El Coyote" have to do some serious damage control, and work hard to fix a this problem, even it is a $100 contribution and from a family member.
I don't think boycotting Utah is a dumb move at all...I just drove to see my kids in Denver from San Diego and NEVER entered the creepy state of Utah. The last time I was there there were wackos everywhere wearing Children of the Corn outfits in the restaurants and snide stares. Thank God I'm 6'5" and could pass for straight, but there is an intimidating vibe I get everytime I am there, especially if you are from another state, and even worse if you are in a nice car and your license plates are from a "Blue state". . Guess Utah has two industries, tourism and hatred. And they are now exporting that hatred over to California politics.
Besides your delusional thoughts that because you have a CA license plate you are discriminated against., no one in Utah or other conservative states don't give a flying shit about your license plate. Hellooo.... a "Blue" state passed prop 8... fancy car and CA license plate? dude, no one cares. If you had bumper stickers as "I believe in the Mountain Meadow Massacre" and you park the car for a long period of time in Provo, than maybe something will happened.
I actually travelled through many of these states where you think "Children of the Corn" mentality are prevalent. (Also in "blue" states, given Eastern Oregon is as looney and conservative as any place in Utah or Idaho) Some lovedd their guns, they are kind of isolated, and most of the time, they feel kind of neglected by the economic and cultural centers on the West Coast. Some of these people are decent, some are liberal, but none liked to be labelled or put into one group.
Utah is a much more diverse state, than people realize. Summit County voted for Obama in 2008, and Salt Lake City almost went to Obama, (it was pretty close) Boycotting Utah is stupid. Boycotting the LDS and its holdings are different, and legitimate compare to their getting their church members to donate a huge amount of money to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. Utah has more industries than tourism and hatred, and many in the tourism industry in Utah are not exactly fans of the LDS. Go to Park City, and find one of those "drinking clubs" instead of bars, and you will get an earful about the LDS. Fight the LDS, Utah is different.
There is an ugly LDS temple in La Jolla, Are you going to boycott all of La Jolla? No, because you know that La Jolla isn't all about the LDS.
They are so watered down that I stopped buying them a long time ago and started ordering a beer. At least I know it has some alcohol content to it.
Doesn't take much to keep some people happy. Maybe that is an advantage.
I'll go with Mexiboy on this one, though. He seems pretty in the loop.
You're not playin' us, are you Mexiboy?
I ain't playin' with you--or your "PR" nonsense.
take your condescending ass somewhere else with that "end of story" crap. You don't decide for anyone else but yourself when a 'story has ended'. Let's see, how much campaigning and outreach did you do in the latino communities to prevent them from making an uninformed decision? I bet none... Nothing is incosequential, if they donated money to support a proposition that promotes bigotry and discrimination they they need to be made an example of, regardless of how small or large their contribution might have been.
I have to ask, did you get married to a same-sex partner here since June? Did you have the voters attempt to take away your rights and actually strip away a lot of people's rights? Are we supposed to just shut our mouths and do nothing? Screw that. Elections have consequences.
This is far from over, but let's go after those that matter most... :}~
As a Mormon, isn't she supposed to give 10% of her earnings to the Mormon "church?"
My understanding is that she is the neice of the original owners, who are no longer living. I have been there many times, as recently as Monday October 10, over the last 33 years. The place receives significant income from the gay community. If that income is being tithed to the Mormons, I 'll go elsewhere.
http://shutupiknow.blogspot.com/2008/11/el-coyo...
It was a disaster. Management said they were donating to Lamda Legal and the Gay and Lesbian Center. But the manager who started this mess said she would not contribute to the effort to reverse Prop H8.
Quote: "One of the (daughters?) started yelling at everyone telling them (and I quote) "The church just tells you when to donate, it doesn't tell you how to vote. It very, very rarely tells you how to vote." ... "Marjorie is your friend-" at which point someone prominently yelled: "SHE IS NOT MY FRIEND. FRIENDS DON'T HELP TAKE THE RIGHTS AWAY OF OTHER FRIENDS AND THEN BLAME IT ON THEIR CHURCH!""
http://shutupiknow.blogspot.com/2008/11/protest...
PROTEST EL COYOTE!
Thursday, November 13th @ 7:00pm
El Coyote Cafe
7312 Beverly Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90036
Bring signs & friends!
It may have been the Moron Mormon daughter who made the contribution, but the owners should have known what was going on. I run a business and I know what contributions are being made with my company revenue;, the folks at El Coyote should have as well. They already knew that they had a religious zealot in house, so they should have kept her in check. Their business depended on that, otherwise they should leave the cash register door open and walk away for people to help themselves. She may ultimately end up ruining their business. I definitely won't be back.
Down in San Diego, the gay community is already picketing and boycotting contributors to Prop Hate like Hoehn Porsche/Mercedes-Benz/Acura/Infiniti/Mazda/Audi, in Carlsbad, CA and The Grand Hyatt Manchester Hotel chain in San Diego and LaJolla, and conventions have already been lost by the hotel chain, per the San Diego Union Tribune.. Gays need to use the power of the boycott more effectively. I go up to LA (Montebello) regularly and I will never eat at El Coyote again, no matter what lame excuse is offered. I never will see another movie at a Cinemark Theaters. either.
For God's sake people, don't make excuses for people who work against our causes. Don't patronize businesses owned by these creeps. Boycotts worked like magic against the Coors Beer folks long ago and they can work again. Aman_Chaudhary: you are right!!!! The boycott is on like Donkey Kong!!!
I was born and raised in San Diego. Beautiful Place! Keep it beautiful. You keep that union ring on if you'd like. As a business owner, it's none of your business what your employees are donating to. Marjorie made her donation and listed the company she works for as indicated. I know. I did the same. Your employees could do the same as well. It's their freedom. To know- would be some kind of peeping Tom harrassment thang. What control you infer, suggestive of a commi government ruled by gays. Hmm. Didn't know Big Brother was a Flaming Gay Guy. Be Careful the Gestapo you suggest and would depend on may turn on its oppressive gay public. Sieg Heil
in San Diego, therefore it will be very easy to keep beautiful. You can
donate to whatever pathetic and specious cause you like, I never suggested
anything to the contrary, just don't whine when your little business
suffers or fails. FYI: It IS my busines to know if someone is oppressing me
with my own dollars spent in a business, and although much to your cause's
chagrin, I still DO HAVE a choice to refuse you my patronage. Typical
GOP/neo con play-book: personally attack anyone you disagree with by
questioning their patriotism. Bet you are sad about the rest of the
election, too...
BTW: I wouldn't call anyone a "Gestapo" given the Mormon and Catholic
churches' history, and "Big Brother" is not a "Flaming Gay Guy" but a
pathetic group of busy-bodies and haters just like you.
The "Peeping Tom harassment thang" (sic) as you characterize, really seems
to be the Yes on Prop 8's mantra.
The "commi (sic) government ruled by gays" might be an improvement after
the theocracy attempt of government rule that you and your cause has
prescribed.
I am not a communist and I DO BELIEVE in the free enterprise system, and my
purchasing choices will not include this establishment. Deal with it. You
all got caught with your hands in the cookie jar and now you are all
defensive. Be PROUD of your choice to discriminate; embrace it, and live
with the choice. There are no "do overs" when you commit an act of
discrimination against gay Americans while accepting their gay dollars.
Wasn't too many years ago, women just like you couldn't even vote, own
property, (or a business) or even apply for a loan without a man co-signing
just because you possessed a uterus. You need a wake-up call or some
Aricept. Your memory and intellect appears to be failing.
Marjorie, you do that "Seig Heil" very convicingly, God knows you and yours
have had ample practice.
Give some respect to Marjorie for standing up for her long-time beliefs. She doesn't hate gays neither does her chuch. It's evident from her words and her actions. She just doesn't think it's necessary to redefine "marriage." Call it something else. New union- New term. (Atleast Marjorie didn't throw her long-time church under the bus- like our new and improved President Elect Obama did and promised he would Not!) We Love You Marjorie!!
Albertsons and Lucky go married. Find a better term. It's overused.
I was born and raised in San Diego. Beautiful Place! Keep it beautiful. You keep that union ring on if you'd like. As a business owner, it's none of your business what your employees are donating to. Marjorie made her donation and listed the company she works for as indicated. I know. I did the same. Your employees could do the same as well. It's their freedom. To know- would be some kind of peeping Tom harrassment thang. What control you infer, suggestive of a commi government ruled by gays. Hmm. Didn't know Big Brother was a Flaming Gay Guy. Be Careful the Gestapo you suggest and would depend on may turn on its oppressive gay public. Sieg Heil