Incredible, they swallowed the same bunch of bullshit, same fake folksy-ness, same lack of answering questions from Bush. I naturally assumed that there was no rubric other than an R after your name as far as most of these people were concerned.
ron071
· 1 year ago
PeteWa: That's EXACTLY the point. Voters will NOT be fooled for a THIRD TIME. They remember Bush/Cheney all too well to be fooled by the same garbage for a third time.
JamieinAZ
· 1 year ago
I thought it was disrespectful of Palin to continually refer to Senator Biden as Joe when he never once referred to her as Sarah. In fact, if he had referred to as anything other than Gov. Palin he would have been branded a disrespectful sexist.
I think all Palin accomplished on Thursday was solidifying everyone's positions and pushing the undecided voters towards Obama because she's vapid and a bit slutty. Any of the women McCain thought he would attract by adding Bible Spice to his ticket were completely turned off by her flirty, unprofessional, and most importantly, UNPRESIDENTIAL behavior on Thursday.
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
I thought it was funny that she asked to call him Joe, and then kept mentioning Joe six pack. It just kept making me think of Joe Biden.
benb
· 1 year ago
Phony is hardly the word. At the VP debate and after Biden talked about becoming a single parent when he lost his wife and daughter in a car accident, Palin was indifferent and responded,with talking points like a heartless robot.
That's not folksy. Real people were "hurtin'" and it's clear Palin wasn't real.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Her callousness there goes right along with McCain's refusal to look at Obama during their debate.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I didn't realize she winked more than once.
wonder if she'll start winking when we talk about rape kits
lilyannerose
· 1 year ago
Just consider this an abbreviated 15 lines of
LOL.
Mike_G
· 1 year ago
My personal experience is that men think she's a lightweight joke, but women actually hate Palin. Strongly.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Probably because we aren't captured by her physical self, women recognize the underlying ugliness of Palin, and her presumptuousness as a candidate for high office is infuriating to us. How f'n dare she!
RainbowPhoenix
· 1 year ago
Most of us gay men recognize the same thing.
mirth
· 1 year ago
One example of our organic bond: depth of perception.
MnDem
· 1 year ago
I think women hate her because she's the ultimate mean girl from high school. The one who would be nice to you to your face, but make fun of you behind your back. Those girls always had the boys eating out of their hands, so I can see why guys think she's cute and fresh, and women hate her. McCain wasn't smart enough to figure that out.
ThingsComeUndone
· 1 year ago
John, Sarah's attempts to be Folksy are more damaging to the image of Rural Females than Hee Haw's one dimensional bimbos ever were.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Okay this is going to sound very snotty Bostonian and elitist. So be it.
In 1968, Richard Nixon (with a few of our current Rovian scum working on that first Nixon campaign, now all grown up into fatcat pigs) formulated the “Southern Strategy”. This was a very neat and convenient tool to rally the Dixiecrat racists who were heading to George Wallace's campaign in droves because the new Democratic Party was beginning to be more inclusive: blacks, women, other minorities and Southern white males needed a place to feel good. It had been seething since JFK and LBJ's work toward civil rights. The nation was being divided neatly into liberal vs conservative. Moderates were no longer needed.
My father, an old school GOP member and worker for his party...”keep the goddamn government out of my checkbook and out of my bedroom” (he would have been pro gay rights had he lived longer) watched this show unfold that year and made a profound remark.
“If the GOP goes after these white trash Southern racists, they will change the GOP forever and eventually, it could take a long time, but eventually they will allow one of 'them' to actually run for the top ticket. And eventually when the GOP becomes more like the white trash racists it is courting this year (1968), the moderate sensible American will come to his senses and go back to the Democrats. And it will destroy the GOP for many generations after that. ”
Dad has his flaws. Had he lived beyond that time, he'd have come around to many things like gay rights, women's rights, and so on. He raised us to look inside a person, not to their packaging, or color, or who they liked to play with in the bedroom. He lived his Episcopalian values every day. He was hardly perfect but he was quite right about predicting where his GOP would wind up.
Dad is spinning at 10,000 RPM in his grave watching Caribou Barbie.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
My mom, a white Southern liberal, said much the same thing as your dad. Only thing is, the Republicans still own all media and haven't died out yet.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
In those days, as the Dems moved to the left....let's face it it was all about African-Americans...white Southerners (your Mom's type excepted) were still thinking (many still do) that black people should not be voting at all. In fact many Boston WASPS felt that way too. Blacks were not entitled to vote. As far as we have to go, America has come very far since those days. I shall weep for days when Barry, the skinny black guy with the funny name, wins this and becomes our President. Weeping tears of joy. That we did it within my lifetime. That we were able to judge a man by his character and not his color. That all was not in vain in the sixties. I put myself at risk back then because I supported desegregation and civil rights. I got beaten up a few times in junior high and called "N***ger lover". Perhaps my life was not lived in vain, as I stated on here a few days ago. Maybe I have made a little difference in the world. I raised a child to be free of bigotry. Who knows? But I know one thing...if there is a Heaven...God will not give a shit about what I did with my dick. He will care that I tried to move the world forward in brotherhood and peace. Yeah okay call me the old hippy tree hugger liberal. Well fuck honey Jesus was a liberal...heal the sick, feed the poor, help the needy.
shrrrr
· 1 year ago
There's a very Republican elderly couple I drop in on just about every weekend. Before Palin, we never really discussed politics. Since Palin that's about all we talk about. It all started the weekend after she was chosen and their reaction to the pick was disgust.....and they are now over-the-top against that ticket. These are self-discribed Eisenhower Republicans, meaning they respond to intellectual honesty with their politics. They are voting for Obama AND, as in turns out, they are talking loudly with their friends. The Mrs. is on the phone all day.
martha
· 1 year ago
Can you think of any job interview you've ever had where you could refuse to answer the questions, wink and say "shucks" and "doggone"?
Milli
· 1 year ago
Only if you live in Mayberry and are interviewing for deputy sheriff.
Milli
· 1 year ago
I'm surprised she didn't break out the cleavage.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
For rural Missouri that is really astonishing. I lived in Missouri and the rural sections always, always support the Republican. Palin really does promote the worst comments from the women I know. Phony is a mild word compared to what some of my friends say about her. Women don't like the fact that Palin obviously uses her "cuteness" to bowl over men. She is the type of woman who will smile to your face and knife you in the back as you walk away.
Joneses
· 1 year ago
A lot of the Republicans that I know, including my brother, dislike her very much. They felt that McCain could have picked a much better running mate, and some of them feel that it was a desperate move on his part.
I hope that Troopergate sees the light and expose her for what she is or not.
triple7s
· 1 year ago
There's folksy, Molly Ivins, Will Rodgers, Jim Hightower, and then there is political opportunism, Palin.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Excellent point, and so true!
artisticfreedom
· 1 year ago
I love her! She's going to do more to destroy the Republican party and their failed idiologies than anyone else. She's like Limbaugh on steroids!
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
Palin looked like she was interviewing for a job as a bartender at a strip club.
By the way, did you know her mayoral job was a PART TIME job???
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
HUH! Part time, I haven't heard that before.
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
they had to bring in a city manager to do most of the heavy lifting after some of Ms. Palin's preliminary moves...
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Strip club bartender is a good one...I was thinking a Perkins or a Bob Evans waitress angling for a tip. Of course, she'd be a part time Veep what with the long, Captn Morgan-fueled blackouts and all the sex with hunky Secret Service agents while Todd's with the kids.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
Or the local steakhouse waitress, you know, the ones that have all you can eat, or "eat this 20 pound T-bone in under an arrr with all the fixins and git it free" type places.
ron071
· 1 year ago
Shirley: Why, if the job was part time, did they need to hire an administrator to help her? The PALIN story is becoming more of a fraud by the hour.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I'm glad that's happening.
All the "Joe Six Pack" "Hockey Mom" "Doggone it" stuff sounded phony as hell to me, but I wasn't sure if the people she was aiming at would see it that way.
Guess so.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
She has lived in Alaska, knows very little of the lower 48. It 's insulting to know she thinks this is how we are--all Joe Six Pack and hockey moms. To begin with, Joe Six Pack is an insulting term to most people, it implies uneducated beer swilling dolts. You would think someone might tell her it is "average American" it is below average.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
that should be ISN"T "average American"
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
As it should since they are a couple of the "elite" Republican stereotypes used to describe "lower to middle" America... they have NO real idea what the average American thinks or does in their "real lives"... they are apparently taking a look at such realistic pieces of Americana such as "My Redneck Wedding", reruns of the Jerry Springer show and other such crap and saying "THIS" is the America we need to reach...
MnDem
· 1 year ago
The three states that have the most hockey moms are Minnesota, Michigan, and Massachusetts. What color are they on the electoral maps? BLUE! I'm a former hockey mom, and I wouldn't vote for Sarah Palin if she was the last candidate on earth.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
Sometimes I forget she is a mom at all, unless she'd dragging that poor baby around stumping with her. Disgusting is what it is, and mom's of all kinds should be outraged.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I used to think people were going over board about her dragging her baby around to campaign events, but then realized they are ABSOLUTELY right. They are never without their favorite "stage prop" and they make a big deal out of him! I wish they would just get a plastic doll, and leave the poor kid at home to rest instead of dragging him around at all hours of the night. Poor little thing!
BarrieT
· 1 year ago
Palin is not so much a hockey mom as a hokey mom. Manipulative and phoney.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
"Hokey Mom", I like that!!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
My God, I can't escape conservative idiots like Amy Holmes! Was watching CNN until they made the stupid decision to have Bill Bennett host a political show with that wild eyed idiot, Amy Holmes. She is a true piece of work. Then changed the station to MSNBC and had to watch that cross eyed guy, Ron Christy, try to trash Obama. Well, at least on MSNBC there was a progressive to balance out the idiots. By the way, what is this racist thing going on in the media where all of the sudden the one or two black wingnut conservatives get all this special attention? Amy Holmes and Ron Christy are everywhere! Talk about two opportunists! Do they get extra credit for sucking up to Republicans because they happen to be African American? I'm also tired of seeing that Michelle Bernard chick who comes from the homophobic Caribbean islands, who claims to be independent. I think I have her figured out. She is "independent" because she likes Democrats on everything but civil rights for gays. I might be wrong. That Bernard chick seems more Republican than Democratic, or maybe she thinks she needs to be more Republican to seem independent and get invited back to every cable teevee news show.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Do they get extra credit for sucking up to Republicans
Assured seating at the back of the Str8 Talk Express... Talking heads should have to detail communications with all campaign representatives and any communications of a political nature with corporate executives in their own work food chains...I imagine most people would find the amount of daily communication, stroking, intimidation alarming.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Other pundits who Tom for the Man: Joe Watkins and Juan Williams.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Alaskans obviously fell for her flirty, I need protecting, 1950s' beauty queen behavior as a powerful, informed woman. Women who have to compete in the workplace cringe at Palin's façade, and feel she has pushed feminism back decades.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
True that, Karol.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
cowboy,if memory serves, you knew Wilma Mankiller? Now, she was a leader, a true feminist and wonderful chief. Could you see her winking and "ah shucking"? lol
ron071
· 1 year ago
Karol: Only if she is elected or selected will she have set back women and what they stand for. Her justified defeat will show more than ever before that qualified women are the equal of qualified men. Palin will be a historical footnote of what a candidate of either gender needs to be.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Same with the Republicans here in formerly deep red sw Ohio and to a degree in northern Kentucky. The more educated and higher up the social scale the less they like Sarah. A person expressing support for Palin is unknowingly self-describing their own ignorant trashiness...poor lamb!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Obama - "The McCain campaign would rather tear down this campaign than build this country up! Its what you do when you are disconnected, out of ideas and running out of time!"
Great, GREAT letter to the editor about the exploitation of Palin's special needs child.
Kansaskitty
· 1 year ago
Wow, just wow. Great letter. That brought tears to my eyes. Sen. Biden is truly a selfless human being. It will be a proud moment for this country when Obama and Biden take the oath of office. I can't wait! Much work to do until Nov. 4 to make sure it happens!
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
It's VERY uncharacteristic of the Moonie News to publish anything like this!
karen52
· 1 year ago
If these folks are representative, it means that while the faux populists like Pat Buchanan are fawning over Sarah, the real thing sees through her just like us overeducated, citified elitists. Hurrah!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
The great silent majority will speak on November 4th.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Punitive Landslide Election 2008
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I like the way you said that.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I had a good teacher :)
toot
· 1 year ago
You are so on, so on.
Kansaskitty
· 1 year ago
Me thinks the Repubs have gone to the well once too often with the small town America pander. They are so stupid to think they've got a shiny new Trojan horse in Palin that will fool everyone. Small town, middle America citizens aren't as gullible as they think! I am insulted by the crude caricature of what Palin (or someone) thinks the rubes will love. Of course, they never actually talk to any us hicks to find out what we really think.
nsr
· 1 year ago
I think McCain's camp already knows the Palin choice was a flop, and it explains the 100% negative ad buys from now til Nov 4. All they have is fear itself. And an "erratic" candidate they'd rather not discuss.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Sarah Six-Pac is not competent for high office.
Period.
ron071
· 1 year ago
OUTRAGE IS JUSTIFIED WHEN A CANDIDATE REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT A DEBATE. The folks in Missouri are not any different than any voters who recognize a fraud for what she is. Her nonsense is a disgrace to the voters of this nation and will be repudiated on Nov. 4th.
KarenK_from_LA
· 1 year ago
I was at a party yesterday and a group of professional women started talking about Palin (big shock!) and the debate. One woman piped up and said, "What an insult to professional women everywhere! Can you imagine getting up in a company meeting, blowing kisses, winking and flirting during your presentation?"
Thing is, women have to project a sophisticated, professional demeanor in the workplace every single day. A woman coming in for a job who behaved like Palin and talked about "Oh, maaaannnn, you guys, doggone it ..." blah, blah would be turned away from an office job in a heartbeat.
Why would she be trusted to run a country if she couldn't get a mid-level management job? Women get that and that's why they cannot stand this candidate.
Mickey7
· 1 year ago
McCain doesn't know women or he would have been able to gauge her negative impact on them. And to think she would be a comparable replacement to Hillary was dumb in the extreme. Women may not have liked Hillary's political stance, but they sure as hell knew she had real substance and never mistook her for the aggressively flirty bitch in Jr. High and High School who was constantly trying to get her way by being cutesy and then would stab you in the back the minute she had what she wanted (think of Reese Witherspoon in the movie Election). This type of woman is the most despised of all among other women, and that's who McCain put on his ticket. If you'll notice, it is primarily the male conservative pundits who are gushing over her. Just like in Jr. High, they are unable to think past their privates and believe she really, really likes them. Conservative women pundits have been strangely silent or damned her with faint praise. Some have come right out and expressed their disgust. I'm telling you, this woman brings back every negative experience most women had while growing up and that's going to show come election day.
katiec
· 1 year ago
Good for you rural Republicans. Can you imagine this hocky mom being a VP or even worse, president of our country? Mccain has made us the laughing stock of the world with his pick of vp. We have to make sure the world sees us trying to become the once great nation we once were.
MC_Haiku
· 1 year ago
Speaking as a straight man, I wouldn't screw her with Karl Rove's dick. I know Karl wouldn't either, but that is besides the point. I've known women like her: fluffy and "cute" on the outside, mean and cold inside. She really isn't that good looking - i don't know why she gives all the repube str8 guys woodies.
read the article & then you will know for sure whose picture should illustrate the word "douche" in the dictionary.
CobaltBlue
· 1 year ago
The reason she asked Biden if she could call him Joe was so she wouldn't come across as.... disrespectful. Then she was clear to deliver that awful cliche that she was waiting to blurt out all night to say...."say it ain’t so joe"
SHE IS so very phony AND stupidly ARROGANT without an once of substance to hold up her arrogance.
I see these McCain/Palin signs around town and on cars and it just stikes me as such a hollow vision.
I demand a better future.
shell
· 1 year ago
It is interesting. The REALLY right-wing religious wackoes hate McCain/Palin, too. You already know they hate and distrust McCain, but his choice of Palin was VERY short-sighted for him and/or his handlers, who I assume are mostly $$$ Republicans, rather than social ones.
You showed some of them in this article. But beyond that -- the really far-right religious wackoes (which are more than you think) refuse to vote for that ticket either. Why? Palin is a FEMALE. And everyone knows women should always be subserviant to men. (And yes, I know this since my brother's sister-in-law is married to such a freak.) Can you imagine? Palin, as a female, must be subserviant to the leaders of Iran, Russia ... on and on.
Far as I can tell, they feel it is their duty to vote, but since they can't vote for McCain or Satan (oops! I mean Obama -- LOL), they are leaning toward Paulson. Fine by me -- go ahead and take votes away from the GOP.
We live in ... interesting ... times. Like300 AD.
Laur
· 1 year ago
I, for one, am delighted that there are Republicans who are bright enough not to buy Palin's schtick. Gives us all hope for our democracy--especially if she turns enough of them off that they either stay home or vote for Obama/Biden.
Perhaps there are more pragmatists out there than we'd supposed, and it took the selection of a clearly unqualified whackjob like Palin to elicit the reaction.
toot
· 1 year ago
If you read this and you have any morals McSame is toast. be sure to read it all he shoudl be in jail and when he dies go straight to hell. I used to think this guy was very good. Not any more. What a loser! This year I wll vote Obama/Biden.
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Weapon of
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Muthah always said to me (Boston accent) "Nevah speak ill of a dead othah candidate. Caribou Barbie's poll numbers are dead. Good."
Economists overwhelming support Obama's plan over McCain's.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/dis...
I naturally assumed that there was no rubric other than an R after your name as far as most of these people were concerned.
I think all Palin accomplished on Thursday was solidifying everyone's positions and pushing the undecided voters towards Obama because she's vapid and a bit slutty. Any of the women McCain thought he would attract by adding Bible Spice to his ticket were completely turned off by her flirty, unprofessional, and most importantly, UNPRESIDENTIAL behavior on Thursday.
That's not folksy. Real people were "hurtin'" and it's clear Palin wasn't real.
wonder if she'll start winking when we talk about rape kits
LOL.
McCain wasn't smart enough to figure that out.
In 1968, Richard Nixon (with a few of our current Rovian scum working on that first Nixon campaign, now all grown up into fatcat pigs) formulated the “Southern Strategy”. This was a very neat and convenient tool to rally the Dixiecrat racists who were heading to George Wallace's campaign in droves because the new Democratic Party was beginning to be more inclusive: blacks, women, other minorities and Southern white males needed a place to feel good. It had been seething since JFK and LBJ's work toward civil rights. The nation was being divided neatly into liberal vs conservative. Moderates were no longer needed.
My father, an old school GOP member and worker for his party...”keep the goddamn government out of my checkbook and out of my bedroom” (he would have been pro gay rights had he lived longer) watched this show unfold that year and made a profound remark.
“If the GOP goes after these white trash Southern racists, they will change the GOP forever and eventually, it could take a long time, but eventually they will allow one of 'them' to actually run for the top ticket. And eventually when the GOP becomes more like the white trash racists it is courting this year (1968), the moderate sensible American will come to his senses and go back to the Democrats. And it will destroy the GOP for many generations after that. ”
Dad has his flaws. Had he lived beyond that time, he'd have come around to many things like gay rights, women's rights, and so on. He raised us to look inside a person, not to their packaging, or color, or who they liked to play with in the bedroom. He lived his Episcopalian values every day. He was hardly perfect but he was quite right about predicting where his GOP would wind up.
Dad is spinning at 10,000 RPM in his grave watching Caribou Barbie.
about African-Americans...white Southerners (your Mom's type excepted) were
still thinking (many still do) that black people should not be voting at
all. In fact many Boston WASPS felt that way too. Blacks were not entitled
to vote. As far as we have to go, America has come very far since those
days. I shall weep for days when Barry, the skinny black guy with the funny
name, wins this and becomes our President. Weeping tears of joy. That we did
it within my lifetime. That we were able to judge a man by his character and
not his color. That all was not in vain in the sixties. I put myself at risk
back then because I supported desegregation and civil rights. I got beaten
up a few times in junior high and called "N***ger lover". Perhaps my life
was not lived in vain, as I stated on here a few days ago. Maybe I have made
a little difference in the world. I raised a child to be free of bigotry.
Who knows? But I know one thing...if there is a Heaven...God will not give a
shit about what I did with my dick. He will care that I tried to move the
world forward in brotherhood and peace. Yeah okay call me the old hippy tree
hugger liberal. Well fuck honey Jesus was a liberal...heal the sick, feed
the poor, help the needy.
I hope that Troopergate sees the light and expose her for what she is or not.
By the way, did you know her mayoral job was a PART TIME job???
Of course, she'd be a part time Veep what with the long, Captn Morgan-fueled blackouts and all the sex with hunky Secret Service agents while Todd's with the kids.
All the "Joe Six Pack" "Hockey Mom" "Doggone it" stuff sounded phony as hell to me, but I wasn't sure if the people she was aiming at would see it that way.
Guess so.
I'm a former hockey mom, and I wouldn't vote for Sarah Palin if she was the last candidate on earth.
Assured seating at the back of the Str8 Talk Express...
Talking heads should have to detail communications with all campaign representatives and any communications of a political nature with corporate executives in their own work food chains...I imagine most people would find the amount of daily communication, stroking, intimidation alarming.
Women who have to compete in the workplace cringe at Palin's façade, and feel she has pushed feminism back decades.
Now, she was a leader, a true feminist and wonderful chief. Could you see her winking and "ah shucking"? lol
A person expressing support for Palin is unknowingly self-describing their own ignorant trashiness...poor lamb!
hahahahahahaa! LOVE.IT.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/14...
Great, GREAT letter to the editor about the exploitation of Palin's special needs child.
Period.
Thing is, women have to project a sophisticated, professional demeanor in the workplace every single day. A woman coming in for a job who behaved like Palin and talked about "Oh, maaaannnn, you guys, doggone it ..." blah, blah would be turned away from an office job in a heartbeat.
Why would she be trusted to run a country if she couldn't get a mid-level management job? Women get that and that's why they cannot stand this candidate.
Can you imagine this hocky mom being a VP or even worse, president
of our country?
Mccain has made us the laughing stock of the world with his pick
of vp.
We have to make sure the world sees us trying to become the
once great nation we once were.
BTW: for a devastating article about mccain, check out Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912...
read the article & then you will know for sure whose picture should illustrate the word "douche" in the dictionary.
SHE IS so very phony AND stupidly ARROGANT without an once of substance to hold up her arrogance.
I see these McCain/Palin signs around town and on cars and it just stikes me as such a hollow vision.
I demand a better future.
You showed some of them in this article. But beyond that -- the really far-right religious wackoes (which are more than you think) refuse to vote for that ticket either. Why? Palin is a FEMALE. And everyone knows women should always be subserviant to men. (And yes, I know this since my brother's sister-in-law is married to such a freak.) Can you imagine? Palin, as a female, must be subserviant to the leaders of Iran, Russia ... on and on.
Far as I can tell, they feel it is their duty to vote, but since they can't vote for McCain or Satan (oops! I mean Obama -- LOL), they are leaning toward Paulson. Fine by me -- go ahead and take votes away from the GOP.
We live in ... interesting ... times. Like300 AD.
Perhaps there are more pragmatists out there than we'd supposed, and it took the selection of a clearly unqualified whackjob like Palin to elicit the reaction.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912...