AMERICAblog: Ralph Nader says Obama is trying to "act white" because he won't talk about "the ghetto"
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
hopefully this would shift his voters to Obama, because that's all that concerns me in this matter, in fact in ALL matters from NOW to November.
my motto for anything that happens is "HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD SHIFT VOTES FROM XXXXXXXXX TO OBAMA"
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
OK wonderful, the world can go to shit. Iran can get bombed, Gas at 8.50$ a gal. Milk at 10.50$ a gal. 36% unemployment, none of it matters to you as long as it shifts votes to Big Love Obama. What do you think Big Love is going to do? Wave a magic wand and make the world a better place? Is he going to cure my wifes cancer? Is he single handedly going to stop global warming (Or just take credit for it when it stops on its own) Is he going to somehow make more oil so that gas prices will go down? Is he going to give my babies a chance to go to the same school he and his wife when to? Is he going to tell all the brothers in the hood to put down there guns and close there bath tub methlabs and go back to school?
How is it that the world will be a better place to live simply by changing the party that holds the Executive branch?
Or is it that is will make YOU feel better?
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
so what are you saying? shifting from republicans to democrat would make the situation worst? em, if you do not know the difference between his policies versus mccain's then i do not know what to say to you, order than SHUT THE HELL UP WITH YOUR LONG NOTES AND STUFF.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
I truly do hope it makes the situation much worse. The worse things get the more central power the state will take control of and the faster things will fall utterly apart. I hope for a nation that is ready for real change. We need to move backward to when the states were in control of there own destiny. We have to utterly mangle the current government before we can rebuild. So I say Tax and Spend Away! Just keep the new taxes up above about 85K a year so I wont be effected OK? You Dems after all care so much about the middle class. after all.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Uh, Cranky Pants? Ever hear the concept of "Every journey begins with a single step?" We've got an assload of problems, and it would be nice, for starters, to have a Chief Executive to even acknowledge that those problems exist.
So why not eighty-six the "magic wand" horsecrap, Muldoon? None of our problems will be solved that fast, but having someone in the Oval Office who wants to fix the problems (and isn't stupid enough to think more war, privatizing social security, destroying the environment by opening up more oil fields when we're not maxing out the ones we have OR shifting to alternate fuels, OR bailing out Wall Street are viable solutions) is the start.
Sorry about your wife's cancer, but that has dick-all to do with Obama, so find a more appropriate venue (AND a more appropriate tone) to talk about it. I'm sure more than half the people on Americablog loves someone who is currently on borrowed time.
And as for global warming stopping on its own...thanks for the laugh.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
speaking of shifting voters to Obama, here's a nice variation on that theme, courtesy of the very right-wing christofascist himself, James Dobson:
Nader gave us 8 years of bush. I remember us trying to talk to other gays back in 2000. Man, I think I permanently lost some brain cells through that. All the Naderites were haywire and determined. There were even some gay guys planning to vote for bush. I should have left politics right then and there and became a hermit. Should have seen the writing on the wall.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
What I meant is the gay Naderites were the worst. back in 2000. I have scars from it. We were pleading with them, but no, their minds were made up.
nsr
· 1 year ago
And Ralph's record on this stuff is what, now?
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
It is interesting that Nader is only concerned about Obama. So I guess Nader feels more comfortable with McCain. Maybe that is Nader's desire, make sure the conservative wins everytime. Why doesn't Nader attack McCain?
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
Man, time to send the old white guys to the home.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
Our Great White Father has told the president of the Phillipines that he appreciates the people there and is thankful because of his Filipino cook. Can you believe that shit? How much longer do we have to suffer. I think indifinitely until the wingnuts atone. Anybody think they ever will? No.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
I think Nader's right on the mark. Obama has spent time sucking up to the "white power structure", and has not addressed the issue of poverty among blacks. It's a national shame.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Sorry, but Obama has addressed poverty. He talks about empowerment zones in inner cities. Except he addresses poverty for all Americans, not just blacks.
His stance is there are places in America that are steeped in poverty that need help. It is not a black/white issue!
There are pockets of extreme poverty all over the country, among all races. Look at the poverty on some Native American reservations, among rust belt cities and rural white Appalachia. I once lived in one of the poorest counties in America- in New Mexico, the population there was 90% Spanish heritage. Mr. Obama talks about the terrible run-down rural schools in North and South Carolina that should shame this nation.
This is how Mr. Obama addresses the problem with poverty.
Nader does not see that the times have changed. We want to address issues now, issues like poverty, without getting mired in identity politics. It does no good to single out any certain group without seeing that the problem is poverty, not race.
Nader should be helping Obama, but his ego will not let him see past his own desire for power.
Why no statement from Nader on McCain? Christ, Nader has passed his shelf life expiration date and now he is just stinkin' up the place.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
That is a good point. Nader only ever attacks the democrats. Never attacked bush both times or McShrub now.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
As the snow flies On a cold and gray chicago mornin A poor little baby child is born In the ghetto And his mama cries cause if theres one thing that she dont need Its another hungry mouth to feed In the ghetto
People, dont you understand The child needs a helping hand Or hell grow to be an angry young man some day Take a look at you and me, Are we too blind to see, Do we simply turn our heads And look the other way
Well the world turns And a hungry little boy with a runny nose Plays in the street as the cold wind blows In the ghetto
And his hunger burns So he starts to roam the streets at night And he learns how to steal And he learns how to fight In the ghetto
Then one night in desperation A young man breaks away He buys a gun, steals a car, Tries to run, but he dont get far And his mama cries
As a crowd gathers round an angry young man Face down on the street with a gun in his hand In the ghetto
As her young man dies, On a cold and gray chicago mornin, Another little baby child is born In the ghetto
Life in the Ghetto can be hard even for a fly white guy like myself. I am so glad my babies will not have to grow up there.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
Behave. This is serious.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
The ghetto is always serious. I lived in a cockroach infested ghetto for years, I would rather go back to whoring myself out to fat chicks for 100$ a night than go back to that.
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Were you living in the ghetto BEFORE or AFTER your wife was diagnosed with cancer? And were you living in the ghetto when you had those babies you want to see go to the same school as Obama?
You seem to be in pathetic need of attention, good or bad, so's I'm just trying to help you out. You're welcome.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
To be quick: Before, And then after as to your question. If you were really asking, or were you just looking to take a shot at me and didn't think I would notice?
slappymagoo
· 1 year ago
Does it matter, really? You rant about Obama using a "magic wand" to cure your wife of cancer, then you paste the lyrics to in the ghetto and talk about whoring yourself out to fat chicks. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if you're trying to work up some kind of outrage on any slight, REAL OR IMAGINED, I might have bestowed upon you, it's wasted on me.
uncomfortablynumb
· 1 year ago
The headline is that Ralph Nader says Obama is trying to "act white" However, you quote him as saying "of course" when asked if Obama was trying to "talk white." When did Naber actually say that Obama was trying to "act white?" Sound like a misquote to me. In addition, do you really think Nader is a white supremest? I like you insights on many issues, but on this one I think you are being a drama queen. Nader is making legitimate points about the politics of race. If anything, he would stick up for minorities more than Obama, who IS a minority. I don't think that makes him a white supremest just because he acknowledges that race impacts that way candidates discuss issues. Finally, if I hear another person say that Nader is responsible for putting Bush in office, I'm going to scream. America is supposed to be a democracy. The notion that we can have only two presidential candidates from only two political parties is sad and quite frankly undemocratic. Nader ran AGAINST Bush. If you want to place blame for Bush getting into office start with the 50+ million of morons who voted for him, not a courageous American who dares to buck the status quo.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
Nader is responsible for putting bush in office.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
If Nader's so "courageous," when can we see his personal finances?
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
ABC had the wrong headline and I just quoted their headline. I corrected it now,thanks. And while you're factually correct, it doesn't change the story since talking white is acting white.
uncomfortablynumb
· 1 year ago
Thanks, and by the way, I do really enjoy your website. Keep up the good work!
Peace,
John
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Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
I've never felt any guilt, whatever that is. I've never attended and Obama rally or listening to one of his speeches. Because I know instinctively, he's correct. I also don't put too much into one person. He's not going to rescue us. Actually, I feel like he's doomed to failure with what's coming but if he wants to take it on, go for it. I'll support him, which is what I'm supposed to do as a citizen.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Nader's a twisted freak.
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
Yeah, Ralph. You go ahead and tell us what a successful candidate for president must do, you being such an expert and all. BTW, how did those earlier runs you made for the White House turn out? 'Nuff said.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
And I think Corvairs are cool, too.
Suck. On. That.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
Man, I had a 76 NOVA. 450 engine. Low miles. Little old lady bought it new and her daughter sold it to me for little of nothing. I could kick myself in the head for ever selling it. Made a tidy profit, though.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
OK, there's Nader, Barr, McShrub and Obama. It's a no brainer who I will vote for. Would have voted for Clinton in that matchup.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Good job, Ralph. You fucking asshole. Because of you, we now have had 8 years of something we may never recover from. Ralph why don't you just come out of your fucking closet (I actually met someone who has fucked Nader....he pays for it.) and shut the fuck up.
lovepeaceandallthat
· 1 year ago
I can't stand Nader. I agree with all the criticisms of him.
However, I am one of those who voted for him in 2000 (I voted for Kerry in 2004). I live in Oregon. I would have voted for Gore, I believe, if I lived in a swing state. I will never, ever vote for him again under any circumstances (he is a sick man, I believe -- mentally). I didn't "get" that back then. HOWEVER....
I like to think I wasn't naive or a dumbass or whatever names we who voted for him have been called. I worked on his campaign and all the volunteers were wrestling with the decision to some degree. It wasn't like we had blinders on. On the contrary, I think we had "long term vision goggles" on. We were trying to see past this one election. I don't think anyone thought he would actually win (duh). We had other ideas in mind. Constructive ones.
So why did we vote for him? Well, speaking for myself, it was two things: 1) a protest vote and 2) an attempt to get 5% of the vote IN ORDER TO GET FEDERAL FUNDS TO BUILD A VIABLE THIRD PARTY (at that time, the Green Party). The second reason was really my main reason for working on his campaign. I remember I watched the polls and his numbers were usually above 5% and I was excited at the prospect of getting a third party going (perhaps you think this is pie-in-the-sky thinking, but that is your opinion -- and the whole "do we need a third party is another discussion). As it turned out, Nader didn't get above the 5% threshold -- I think he got 3%, but I could be wrong on my numbers.
Also, I had researched Gore a bit and found links to oil companies etc. and at that time Gore was NOT some big name enviromentalist and "good guy" like he is now (or perceived to be). And this was before the internet was a big player. I didn't have access to information on Nader that may have swayed me to not vote for him.
As far as ME being responsible for Bush being in office for 8 years? Not a cell in my body believes that. I have seen the numbers crunched many ways, but haven't had time to read or research the "it is all Nader's fault" theory. I tend to think it is bunk. My god, the Supreme Court put Bush into office. Nader or not, I think the neocons would have cheated enough to screw us all over, just as they planned.
To say it is Naders fault is reductionistic thinking, in my opinion. Do I believe he was playing the roll of spoiler? Yes, in hindsight, I do. That is where he screwed his supporters over. He was and is a fraud.
Again, I think Nader is a selfish, delusional, control freak and possibly mentally ill and probably in the closet.... not someone I would vote support for dog catcher. And I feel a bit stupid for not seeing that back then. But I believed, as I do now, that the Democrats -- in general -- were in bed with "Corporate America" just as much as the Republicans. I did NOT think there were no differences between Dems and Repubs. But I was trying to think long term -- and I felt that a third party, along with changing the way we vote (switching to other methods that allow more fair representation, as is done in some other countries and even cities here in the U.S. )
Sorry this got long.... just wanted to NOT apologize for voting for Nader and yet at the same time express my deep regret for supporting him. I hope some of you can wrap your brain around that seeming contradiction. Perhaps looking back at your own life and remembering your own decisions you have made that you now regret. Would you call yourself stupid and naive? Hopefully not. You were making the best decision you could make at the time.
I will be so glad to see the end of the reign of old white men in this country. When that happens, we might actually be able to move forward instead of backwards.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
People are crazy.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Obama warns of mortgage crisis and predatory lending a year before problems are acknowledged.
Well, the truth is nader has a point. Its not a very pleasant one but hes probably right that the obama campaign is steering away from "African American issues", because theyv allready won there. It just isnt naders fault that bush had 2 terms in office. Its kerrys fault, gores fault, the voting machines fault, the american peoples fault, the electoral colleges fault. But all nader did was run with a strong message and remind some of us that there is no law of gravity demanding a broken 2 party system. And to be honest, i doubt hes going to take any votes away from obama. Obama doesnt have the liability issues with strong liberals that gore and kerry had. I think the "green" vote will go to obama, and certainly the "angry hillary supporter" demographic will NOT go to nader.
Milli
· 1 year ago
At least we now have confirmation that Nader is crazy. Have the republicans planted microchips in his brain?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Ohio governor Ted Strickland signed a bill into law Monday capping payday loan interest at 28 percent — effectively shutting down the industry in the state, Sterne Agee analyst Sean J. Ryan wrote in a note to investors.
"Senator Obama has proposed a similar measure as part of his presidential campaign; he would cap interest rates at 36 percent nationwide, which would function as an effective ban on the payday loan industry," Ryan wrote.
ah, Ralph. Yet another pink male, worried about his power structure.
get lost, why dontcha.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i wouldn't necessarily say he's wrong/
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
that "white guilt" shit is wrong. that is straight out of Limbaugh's filthy mouth and does nothing but stir up racial hatred.
Nadar is old in more ways than age. We need new thinking and he is not it.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
He's a purist, a black and white thinker. Everyone has to agree with him.
okojo
· 1 year ago
It is not that he is wrong or right, but he refuses to acknowledge that he is a Washington Lobbyist, who is some ways is anti union, exploitative of his staff, and lives the life of a Washington insider.
There are many former staff members of Nader that have nothing to do with him. James Fallows did have a falling out with Nader.
Ralph Nader owns millions of dollars in stocks buy claims to be the corporate crusader. He funds the ceo lifestyles he claims to hate instead of investing in municipal bonds and treasury bills
okojo
· 1 year ago
Nader is an idiot
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Nader is the same old asshat he's been for the last eight years.
I could never understand the people who voted for him in the first place.
What part of "if he wins, he will be a president without any power, with no infrastructure, with a house and senate dead set against him, because he didn't bother to do the work of building up a power base" do his fanatics not understand?
What part of Nader accepting help from the Repukes with signature gathering and fundraising do people not understand?
What part of Nader holding millions of dollars in corporate stocks while pretending to be the "everyman anti-corporatist hero" do people not understand?
Nader voters are worse than idealists, they are fools, seemingly willfully ignorant of the way our political structure works. Or the obvious fact that Nader is as bought and sold as the worst America has to offer?
Nader has no valid points because he's not entitled to them. He waltzes out every four years to criticize other candidates who have worked their asses off for their party in addition to working to get the nomination. Nader never worked like that for the Green Party (when they liked him) during NON-election years to form a strong base and a viable alternative, instead he goes back into hibernation until the next election year. The man isn't humble enough to recognize or admit that his presence in the 2000 election was part of the reason that got us to where we are today (in Bush Hell). We're at war in Iraq and have let global warming persist unchecked, is it too hard for him to admit that "yeah, Gore would have been a better president and I wish he won instead". Sane people look at the consequences of their actions whether they were intentional or not and regret them if they harmed the greater good. I would work to fix what I did and to make sure NOT TO DO IT AGAIN. Evidently he has no grasp on reality and doesn't care. Here he is, showing up, for the sake of showing up. Again.
Butch1
· 1 year ago
So Ralph has reared his ugly head up again. Unlike the Circadia, it's every four years. One would think the republicans pay him an handsome fee to muddy the waters every presidential election. I find it very interesting that he can not find anything bad to say about McSame but will go after Obama or and Democratic nominee he runs against. Ralph, just go away if you are not going to be a help. If you are so interested in helping put a republican into office, just say so and quit pretending you have something to offer progressives.
LawMichigander
· 1 year ago
It is called male menopause, men over the age of 40 and sometimes younger get it and it generally makes them ugly, dumb, and moody.
domino
· 1 year ago
The anger and hatred of Ralph Nader is totally misplaced. What this comes down to is a disagreement between those who believe that "progressive" change comes only by the election of Democrats and those who believe that the Democrats have to be pushed towards progressive policy.
Folks, think about what your goals for the next administration are. If your goals are the same as Stoney Hoyer and Joe Lieberman, then go ahead and support anybody the Democrats put up there.
If your goals include a good climate for labor organizing, then seriously consider that Barack Obama is not really on your side by the economic team he is building.
We have watched for two decades the Republican party purge all moderates. Do you want the Democrats to leave the Blue Dogs in positions of power when they are against so much that progressives believe in.
When the Democratic party appears to stand for weak-kneed moderate positions, is this really the positions that you want?
When some idiot posts a snarky remark about the Corvair, the hating of Ralph Nader has gone too far.
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
domino said: "When some idiot posts a snarky remark about the Corvair, the hating of Ralph Nader has gone too far."
Naw, not far enough. Besides, that snarky remark should have been about the Edsel.
All Comments
my motto for anything that happens is "HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD SHIFT VOTES FROM XXXXXXXXX TO OBAMA"
How is it that the world will be a better place to live simply by changing the party that holds the Executive branch?
Or is it that is will make YOU feel better?
I hope for a nation that is ready for real change.
We need to move backward to when the states were in control of there own destiny.
We have to utterly mangle the current government before we can rebuild.
So I say Tax and Spend Away!
Just keep the new taxes up above about 85K a year so I wont be effected OK?
You Dems after all care so much about the middle class. after all.
So why not eighty-six the "magic wand" horsecrap, Muldoon? None of our problems will be solved that fast, but having someone in the Oval Office who wants to fix the problems (and isn't stupid enough to think more war, privatizing social security, destroying the environment by opening up more oil fields when we're not maxing out the ones we have OR shifting to alternate fuels, OR bailing out Wall Street are viable solutions) is the start.
Sorry about your wife's cancer, but that has dick-all to do with Obama, so find a more appropriate venue (AND a more appropriate tone) to talk about it. I'm sure more than half the people on Americablog loves someone who is currently on borrowed time.
And as for global warming stopping on its own...thanks for the laugh.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/d...
His stance is there are places in America that are steeped in poverty that need help. It is not a black/white issue!
There are pockets of extreme poverty all over the country, among all races. Look at the poverty on some Native American reservations, among rust belt cities and rural white Appalachia. I once lived in one of the poorest counties in America- in New Mexico, the population there was 90% Spanish heritage.
Mr. Obama talks about the terrible run-down rural schools in North and South Carolina that should shame this nation.
This is how Mr. Obama addresses the problem with poverty.
Nader does not see that the times have changed. We want to address issues now, issues like poverty, without getting mired in identity politics.
It does no good to single out any certain group without seeing that the problem is poverty, not race.
Nader should be helping Obama, but his ego will not let him see past his own desire for power.
Why no statement from Nader on McCain? Christ, Nader has passed his shelf life expiration date and now he is just stinkin' up the place.
On a cold and gray chicago mornin
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his mama cries
cause if theres one thing that she dont need
Its another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto
People, dont you understand
The child needs a helping hand
Or hell grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads
And look the other way
Well the world turns
And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto
And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto
Then one night in desperation
A young man breaks away
He buys a gun, steals a car,
Tries to run, but he dont get far
And his mama cries
As a crowd gathers round an angry young man
Face down on the street with a gun in his hand
In the ghetto
As her young man dies,
On a cold and gray chicago mornin,
Another little baby child is born
In the ghetto
Life in the Ghetto can be hard even for a fly white guy like myself.
I am so glad my babies will not have to grow up there.
You seem to be in pathetic need of attention, good or bad, so's I'm just trying to help you out.
You're welcome.
Peace,
John
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Suck. On. That.
However, I am one of those who voted for him in 2000 (I voted for Kerry in 2004). I live in Oregon. I would have voted for Gore, I believe, if I lived in a swing state. I will never, ever vote for him again under any circumstances (he is a sick man, I believe -- mentally). I didn't "get" that back then. HOWEVER....
I like to think I wasn't naive or a dumbass or whatever names we who voted for him have been called. I worked on his campaign and all the volunteers were wrestling with the decision to some degree. It wasn't like we had blinders on. On the contrary, I think we had "long term vision goggles" on. We were trying to see past this one election. I don't think anyone thought he would actually win (duh). We had other ideas in mind. Constructive ones.
So why did we vote for him? Well, speaking for myself, it was two things: 1) a protest vote and 2) an attempt to get 5% of the vote IN ORDER TO GET FEDERAL FUNDS TO BUILD A VIABLE THIRD PARTY (at that time, the Green Party). The second reason was really my main reason for working on his campaign. I remember I watched the polls and his numbers were usually above 5% and I was excited at the prospect of getting a third party going (perhaps you think this is pie-in-the-sky thinking, but that is your opinion -- and the whole "do we need a third party is another discussion). As it turned out, Nader didn't get above the 5% threshold -- I think he got 3%, but I could be wrong on my numbers.
Also, I had researched Gore a bit and found links to oil companies etc. and at that time Gore was NOT some big name enviromentalist and "good guy" like he is now (or perceived to be). And this was before the internet was a big player. I didn't have access to information on Nader that may have swayed me to not vote for him.
As far as ME being responsible for Bush being in office for 8 years? Not a cell in my body believes that. I have seen the numbers crunched many ways, but haven't had time to read or research the "it is all Nader's fault" theory. I tend to think it is bunk. My god, the Supreme Court put Bush into office. Nader or not, I think the neocons would have cheated enough to screw us all over, just as they planned.
To say it is Naders fault is reductionistic thinking, in my opinion. Do I believe he was playing the roll of spoiler? Yes, in hindsight, I do. That is where he screwed his supporters over. He was and is a fraud.
Again, I think Nader is a selfish, delusional, control freak and possibly mentally ill and probably in the closet.... not someone I would vote support for dog catcher. And I feel a bit stupid for not seeing that back then. But I believed, as I do now, that the Democrats -- in general -- were in bed with "Corporate America" just as much as the Republicans. I did NOT think there were no differences between Dems and Repubs. But I was trying to think long term -- and I felt that a third party, along with changing the way we vote (switching to other methods that allow more fair representation, as is done in some other countries and even cities here in the U.S. )
Sorry this got long.... just wanted to NOT apologize for voting for Nader and yet at the same time express my deep regret for supporting him. I hope some of you can wrap your brain around that seeming contradiction. Perhaps looking back at your own life and remembering your own decisions you have made that you now regret. Would you call yourself stupid and naive? Hopefully not. You were making the best decision you could make at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIFEceopAUI
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
"Senator Obama has proposed a similar measure as part of his presidential campaign; he would cap interest rates at 36 percent nationwide, which would function as an effective ban on the payday loan industry," Ryan wrote.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/provi...
get lost, why dontcha.
that is straight out of Limbaugh's filthy mouth and does nothing but stir up racial hatred.
Nadar is old in more ways than age. We need new thinking and he is not it.
There are many former staff members of Nader that have nothing to do with him. James Fallows did have a falling out with Nader.
http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/20...
I could never understand the people who voted for him in the first place.
What part of "if he wins, he will be a president without any power, with no infrastructure, with a house and senate dead set against him, because he didn't bother to do the work of building up a power base" do his fanatics not understand?
What part of Nader accepting help from the Repukes with signature gathering and fundraising do people not understand?
What part of Nader holding millions of dollars in corporate stocks while pretending to be the "everyman anti-corporatist hero" do people not understand?
Nader voters are worse than idealists, they are fools, seemingly willfully ignorant of the way our political structure works. Or the obvious fact that Nader is as bought and sold as the worst America has to offer?
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/06/...
Folks, think about what your goals for the next administration are. If your goals are the same as Stoney Hoyer and Joe Lieberman, then go ahead and support anybody the Democrats put up there.
If your goals include a good climate for labor organizing, then seriously consider that Barack Obama is not really on your side by the economic team he is building.
We have watched for two decades the Republican party purge all moderates. Do you want the Democrats to leave the Blue Dogs in positions of power when they are against so much that progressives believe in.
When the Democratic party appears to stand for weak-kneed moderate positions, is this really the positions that you want?
When some idiot posts a snarky remark about the Corvair, the hating of Ralph Nader has gone too far.
Naw, not far enough. Besides, that snarky remark should have been about the Edsel.