DISQUS

jr · 1 year ago

don't let it even come up for a vote

hawkseye · 1 year ago

That would "save" the day.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

OT, but bushco is having a bad, bad week. The DOJ shit is hitting the fan. This was a big part of Karl Rove's plan for a 'permanent Republican majority' and it just may land him in jail.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

GOOD! And yes, it does put Obama in an odd (read AWKWARD) position. Hopefully, this might just help make Obama reconsider his support of the bill.

Hey, a girl can always hope...

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

Let's hope that audaciousness is infectious.

1billinnj2 · 1 year ago

reid is a phony. he puts the bill up for a cloture vote when he could have delayed it. he says that he is voting against it but will not ask the other dems to vote against it. it is another ploy to look good by doing nothing. he is one of the weakess majority leaders that has ever run the senate. he needs to be replaced or retire. i would like to see both. this fisa bill is almost certain to past and by a large majority. this is sick

libintexas · 1 year ago

Is there anything to the theory that the bill is poorly written and leaves the door open for prosecution later? This was brought up on Olbermann with John Dean the other night. It seems risky or perhaps brilliant but I am not sure I really understand their position.

The DOJ stuff looks promising.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

Yes, poorly written legislation seems to be what may "save" the day.

1billinnj2 · 1 year ago

i bet no one read this bill.

mf_roe · 1 year ago

So sad to see Obama upstaged by Reid. More and more I see Obama as a man blind to his true potential, he could achieve so much more than he appears to be planning.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

I hope it's a case of his keeping his cards close to his chest. It would be great if he were to make John Edwards AG and let loose the dogs of law on these repug traitors .

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

GOOD! And yes, it does put Obama in an odd (read AWKWARD) position. Hopefully, this might just help make Obama reconsider his support of the bill.

Hey, a girl can always hope...

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

GOOD! And yes, it does put Obama in an odd (read AWKWARD) position. Hopefully, this might just help make Obama reconsider his support of the bill.

Hey, a girl can always hope...

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Yikes, what on earth is going on with my posting? Why the duplicates? I only posted one time...this is odd.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

Dito to that

mirth · 1 year ago

Harry? You okay?

This probably means that he knows the bill will not come to a vote.

mf_roe, once again a great comment from you. Obama has the potential for greatness, but I'm not sure if he realizes how much the majority of this country wants CHANGE and not just Change. The prize is there for his taking.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

It's a country that's gotten accustomed to being short CHANGED.

mirth · 1 year ago

And finally finally finally waking from her slumber.
The time is now. If not now, then maybe never.

Busboy · 1 year ago

Obama and McWeasel are so far behind the American public that it's like "catch up" when you're down 20.

We will probably again; elect the least of two weasels.......

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

And which of them is the least?

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

Which one is less weaselly... or which one is the lesser weasel?

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Which one is the least objectionable (my word).

Busboy · 1 year ago

Polly, are you double posting just so we can see your avatar?

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

I don't know what is going on. I posted one time about 15 minutes ago and suddenly I had 2 more duplicate posts about 5 minutes later.

I dunno...maybe it's a full moon?

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Why don't you have an avatar?

bumpkis · 1 year ago

QWEST CEO said the Bushies requested cooperation from his company in February 2001....he refused, and was indicted. It aint all about a post 911 world....think COMVERSE INFOSYS....who is Hoyer et al protecting here?

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Hi there bumpkis! Frankly, I think the Dems are just as culpable as the Repubs on this one. My hunch is that they knew all about these programs from the get go and have had their fingers in the pie, thus they don't want their own covers blown.

But then again, I can be such a cynic...

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Greetings PT...yeah, the DEMS in on the whole thing too...still picking keys out of my forehead since I bounced it off the keyboard last week after the HOUSE FISA vote....

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

LOL, ouch! I know, that vote made my stomach wretch. I actually was surprised by the vote since they must know their constituents are going to blow their collective tops.

How's da weather? It's a lovely and sunny 78 degrees here today.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Winter down here now...30's at night, lots of snow on the
moutains...rains alot these days too.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

I thought the rainy season was later in the year. Am I wrong here or are your seasons off kilter a bit?

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Not really, completely opposite of the US...August is the worse month for weather...cold, rainy (snow too) and nasty.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Well, I wish you warmth!

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

Are U in South America? Or Aussie? I'd have to pick South Am as there are not many mountains in the land down under.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

There are times when I think they were preparing for a post 9/11 world

mirth · 1 year ago

As Olbermann said and to which Turley agreed: FISA = CYA

mf_roe · 1 year ago

Saving our country will be a labor of hugh porportion, Obama has the talent. Making our country
into what it was designed to be is a work of an epic leader, Obama COULD be that if he embraces
the energy of all that hunger for it.

Busboy · 1 year ago

I don't think it matters between them. They both have baggage that wouldn't fit in a jetliner.....

Busboy · 1 year ago

Whiskey river.........

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

We've all got our own special avatars but you.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Obama could be the hero that many of us hope he may be, the trick is however, will he manage to do so?

AdmNaismith · 1 year ago

No time like the present to be that Change(tm) that we're all Hope(tm)ing for.
He could show real leadership and just catapault himself into a coronatin for President. Why don't Dems like to win?

fostert · 1 year ago

Umm, why do we still have Reid as our Majority Leader? Does anyone really like him? Besides the Republicans, I mean. He'll vote against it for expediency, but he obviously doesn't have the balls to vote against cloture. Can we get a Senator with at least one ball to lead us? Is that really too much to ask? We have a majority, but we can't even sustain a filibuster against legislation we oppose. And the Republicans can pass pretty much anything they want with a minority. Am I crazy or is it just my party that's crazy?

hawkseye · 1 year ago

We don't have a progressive majority, and until we do, screw ups like this "compromise" FISA bill will have to be "managed".

Jim Olson · 1 year ago

Too little, too late.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

It's never too late if you can STOP the FISA revisions and the immunity offered to the telecoms that take our money every month!

FightForJustice · 1 year ago

Pelosi and Hoyer have made me question to the core why I am a Democrat. I loathe and despise them as much as Bush and Cheney. They have certainly danced in lockstep together since 2006. So what's a girl to do? And Obama has just broken my heart on this. I bought the hype. I did. I believed the speeches. And I am 51. Silly, Pollyanna me. So sad.

All I have now is Act Blue. More and better Democrats at a state level. And Obama will get my vote, because once again, I will vote for the lesser of the two evils.

1billinnj2 · 1 year ago

reid said that he must move the bill forget for the majority of the members that want it. he is such a phony. i always think that he works for the republican , as in republican lite. he makes it look good and then vote for it anyway. he needs to be voted out of office, retire or replaced. any or all ot them would be nice. he is such a weak leader. he never fights for the people. this is another reason to limit their terms. this fisa bill will pass cloture and will pass by a large vote. we will destroy the 4th amendment for politicans to keep their jobs. and that is what they are doing, keeping their jobs. vote for a new person every 6 or 12 years. we need all of them replaced. the fisa bill is a sin and the dems are a sad lot.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Term Limits are for the Voting Impaired!

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

OK, Coast is doing a tribute to George Carlin with a two hour interview with Art from back in 99. Start with clip 1, of course:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/06/24....

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Busboy is a communist.

FunMe · 1 year ago

The Democrats seem to love reverting back to bad habits. They think one has to go centrist, DLC, middle of the road - but they fail to open their eyes to reality.

You can't say you are for "change" and then do things that go against the fourth amendment and the US constitution.

You can't say you are for "change" and say you are against FISA's immunity for law breaking telecoms and then say you are for it.


I have been sad with Obama's statement last week. I also lost my enthusiasm.

I hope he CHANGES and realizes he has to vote NO on FISA.

Not showing this leadership will make supporters lose not only enthusiasm but also the excitement to go vote for him.


MoveOn and MajorityBlue seem to be are only allies for now. That's where my money will go,

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

You can rest your head on my cyber shoulder, for I too am sad...

Not giving his campaign a cent until he votes down FISA, so we will see.

FunMe · 1 year ago

:-)

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

I've come back to Obama. I think the DLC, led by Pelosi, stabbed him in the back.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

If I were Obama, I think I would call Steny and say"When I need your help on winning the Presidency, I'll call you."

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

At&T Its employees, managers. and CEO's can all go die. We had a local provider SBC they gave us good phone service. Then AT&T comes in and buys them out. Not only were we stuck into a more expensive plan there service sucks and blows at the same damn time. We could have gotten better telcom service in Myanmar! Then to add insults to the mix they move about 1000 good jobs out of the area.
We switched to Comcast and not have twice the service and better quality. I hope AT&T ends up bankrupt. They can kiss my skinny white bikers ass if they think I am paying the 60$ connection fee they added on!

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

I'm dumping ATT, too.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Horrible service by them since they barged in on Bell South. I didn't even know that I had them until I was suddenly having to pay them. Nobody asked me.

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

Comcast! If you can get it. Far better service than we ever got out of AT&T. I didn't know SBC was the one doing the buying. They could have bought into a better name! :>)

"For a price I will do almost anything, except pull the trigger, for that I need a really good cause." Operation Mindcrime

Rus · 1 year ago

Actually, SBC purchased AT&T but kept the name AT&T. Of course, they were all broken up from Ma Bell years ago to begin with.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

I already have written to Obama and told his campaign that unless and until he votes DOWN the FISA bill, they won't get a cent more from our family. I don't usually like taking an argument to that point, but if Obama votes for FISA, he has lost my heart for good.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

Don't be like that. We have to be pragmatic.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Sorry Incog, but it is the truth. Now that doesn't mean I won't vote for him come November, but our family will most likely hold back in financing the campaign any further. Obama can't be the candidate of change and vote FOR a bill that trashes our 4th Amendment rights. That is clear.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

The strongest leaders have been almost nothing but pragmatic. I would prefer a straight down the line progressive in every office in the land, but that will never happen.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

I learned the most profound truth. I was told not to reveal it but I did to my partner and he hasn't said anything. He doesn't understand it. He was a catholic priest. Hugely religious. I stay away from him on ass Wednesday when he appears with a ash dot on his forehead. He's totally in an outta body experience right then. Actually, I stay away from him most of the time but I have a feeling he's going to show up soon and lie around and watch the movies I've got for a few months. Then he's off. He's early retired so he doesn't have to be "in the world" anymore. He wants me to just quit what I'm doing which he considers pointless and move around with him. There's no way I'm going to just quit what I'm doing for someone who has mental problems and depend on him for anything. I'm happy like this.

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

We need mass transit for the people

http://youtube.com/watch?v=94AF_-RIl0E&feature=...

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

OK, something tells me I need to contact him. So I just did. I wont do it by cell phone but by email. He doesn't carry around a laptop. So he'll find it in an internet cafe somewhere...

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

No atonement. It's never going to happen, obviously. So I just spent an hour on my religion. It still remains dark at night. Get ready because it's about to get serious. And good luck to you.

PDJ70 · 1 year ago

Let me guess. Carnac says, the FISA vote will fail by 1 vote, therefore making it looked like "they" tried. I'm getting sick of this crap!

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

I think it is a smart move. Who is to say Obama and Reid are not working in concert if the Democrats can deep six this bill without the Republicans being able to attack Obama for being soft on terrorism?

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

nasch: I hope it works out that way. I'll get behind Obama so long as he does what is right and CONSTITUTIONAL. The first time he pisses on the Constitution I'll never support him again. Let's hope you're right and when the dust clears on FISA and Obama stands tall. This is his first big test - is he for real or is he just another paid off politician. A true leader, a true Democrat would stand up and tell these criminal bastards that they'll face indictment if crimes have been committed, etc. Enough of the lies. We've had 8 years of lies.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Obama does not appear to have "what it takes" to be a great leader, mediocre, perhaps. Sitting by the BS fake presidential seal the other day said a lot to me - how phony can you get? This is not the time for f***** games. If Obama wants to vote for the FISA bill yet retain jurisdiction over those who have committed crimes then why doesn't he say so? If he is helping to cover up the crimes of Democrats then run and hide Obama.

To be a great leader takes courage, determination and intelligence. If Obama lets these criminals off the hook he can kiss my support goodbye. Obama has a chance to be a great leader - and it appears he is already taking the low road. Stand tall Obama, stand up and do what is right, no matter what the minority rat bastards in this country think. You want to be a mediocre president? Then keep on the same track you're on. Personally, from what I've seen, I don't think you have what it takes to be a great leader. Better then Hillary? Sure. Better the McBush, sure. But that isn't saying much now is it?

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I am afraid, by your standards, FDR would have failed the test for greatness.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

My standards are simple. Do not PISS on the Constitution. I don't recall FDR doing that.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

He was accused of it when he tried to pack the Supreme Court, and conduct a secret war against Hitler along with an alliance with England, among other things. He was a thorough-going pragmatist.

Bubbles · 1 year ago

Ha ha ha ha ha ha hah!!!! I was exactly right when I said that Obama had jumped the shark on this one.

Now if he follows through on his support for this, he eats away at his base, which of course, includes me. If he gets behind the fillabuster he begins to look like a weak, two faced politician, who exercised bad judgment. (remember, we voted for him because he had the good judgment to be opposed to the war).

Today, Obama looks like just another two faced politician, with perhaps a better turn of phrase then most, who would sell out his mother to get elected. He doesn't have my back, he doesn't have yours because he doesn't have a back himself.

What a f*cking sell out!

Yeah, I'll vote for him, as I'm watching my nation sink into the quicksand of its own destruction - where nobody would do the right thing.

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