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AMERICAblog: Republican congresswoman says Matthew Shepard's murder was "a hoax"

  • caphillprof · 7 months ago
    I'm thinking gay bloggers should pick a disgrace of the week and through the entire force of the internet against the disgrace of the week for the following week. Get them everywhere; in the media, in their neighborhoods, in their churches, wherever they raise their ugly heads. Virginia Foxx looks like a good place to start.

    [Couldn't her hairdresser put an odd tint in her hair?]
  • barkleyg · 7 months ago
    I think that we should call Foxx;s offices and ask if the HOMOPHOBE is in. When they again say that this is Shitheads office, say I know, can I speak to the homophobe, and don't recognize her any other way. I think an insult to the people answering the phone is called for, by asking them why they like working for a LYING HOMOPHOBE!

    I am absolutely embarrassed by some of the people(?) we have in Congress.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    I believe Obama needs to come out stronger in support of Civil Rights. He needs to publically speak out on this issue, and he also needs to end "Don't Ask / Don't Tell." I'm happy with Obama's performance and I realize he couldn't do it as his first moves when he came to office but after his 100 days, and his popularity he needs to follow through. Especially, since he is the fruition of Dr. Martin Luther King's vision. He needs to embrace what King's widow, Coretta Scott King, has said regarding civil rights for the LGBT community.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 7 months ago
    He's already released a statement encouraging passage of the hate crims expansion. That's a start.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    I didn't see that! Good for him. :)
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Just got this link from a friend, regarding "Don't Ask / Don't Tell"

    http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/video/?video...
  • Clinton Rolbiecki · 7 months ago
    Thanks for the link!
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    Are you gay, cowboy?

    This particularly pisses me off too. His numbers are through the roof which gives him all the support he would need to address the problem. Not only is that part of the equation ideal, but it would bring all the minority-haters to the forefront so we all know who they are and rectify those seats in the next election. We need to remove their credibility, like we are for this monster.

    I think we are all ready for some social progression, don't you?
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Surely you jest! Of course, I'm gay.

    I was also fired from my job in the Navy for being gay before "Don't Ask / Don't Tell." That policy that forces gay people to LIE about their sexual orientation in order to keep their jobs is ridiculous and needs to END yesterday.
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    I just got done "dating" (most dignified term I can think of) a guy who just finished boot camp at Great Lakes, on the regular. I'm gay too btw. None of the people I met there were even slightly concerned. Maybe the actual institution is changing even though the official policy hasn't. I was hoping to string it along so I could visit him in San Diego with from what I hear, is tons of gay sailors. He turned out to be a loser though.

    Sorry you lost your job. I don't know if this still applies, but when I was working for the Indiana State Senate (first undergrad), it was completely legal to fire anyone in a federal position for their sexual orientation. We need to get rid of that too if it is still on the books.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Thanks, but I'm more sorry people are still losing their jobs. Its ridiculous and a huge waste of resources. Our community still needs federal protection in order to prevent our being fired in many states. It is outrageous we are not a protected class.
  • Focus2009 · 7 months ago
    John,

    I called her office, but I don't feel satisfied. This woman deserves to be the target of a netroots campaign to expose her to the american public and make sure she is stripped of any credibility and never again elected as dog-catcher, much less congress! The "macaca" moment pales in comparison to this!
  • FunMe · 7 months ago
    Who is this subhuman?

    No wonder the republiCON party is heading below 20%.
    Hopefully, she is part of a dying breed.
  • SouthernYankee · 7 months ago
    I hope that the Shepard family forces the bitch to apologize publicly or sue the hell out of her in court. Make her prove what she said. I pray they do that.
  • Focus2009 · 7 months ago
    I'm no gay activist, but I am shaking with anger right now. I just called and voiced my disgust and requested that Rep. Foxx immediately apologize, and then resign, out of shame for being such a disgraceful human being.

    I feel like hitting something or someone.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    I'll make it easy on you, and tie her to a fence. Here's your pistol. Aim for the face.
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    I wouldn't wish that on anyone. That is really dark, bro.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    I highly doubt Mrs Bigotpants knows wha being tied to a fence and pistolwhipped feels like, else she wouldn't have made her ugly comment.

    I propose she be given a personal experience so she can have the proper perspective on what she so blithely calls a hoax.
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    Fortunately, I don't know what that feels like either, but I know that it is wrong.

    My guess is she is taking that beating right now, figuratively. My guess is that it will result in a political death.... That is good enough for me.

    I feel your anger though.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Of course it's wrong, but think of how much we could avoid if people like this were instructionally subjected to the very things they cheer for (Iraq war) or belittle (hate crimes).

    It's a bit primitive, but I guarantee that after dropping a few pallid, doughy politicians into the middle of an urban war you'd have both less pallid doughy politicians and a sharp drop in support for the blighted conflict from the rest who survived.
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    I was pro iraq war, because I idolized Colin Powell. With your train of thought I deserve to have white phosphorus rain down on me Falujah style.

    We learn from our own and other people's mistakes. There are people learning from this on her behalf right now. That is helpful in a macro view.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Perhaps I should clarify: People who DO know better and are in full posession of the facts, but who prefer to cling to falsities, lies and misinformation for purely selfish reasons despite realiy having been presented to them.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 7 months ago
    Sorry Jophus, You get no pass. I knew that this "War on Terror" propaganda was a farce from day ONE!!!

    I knew it was empire building from day One. Many people did, not enough though, or more so, those who did raise their voice of NO were muted.

    There was enough evidence out there, you may have been listening to much to the corporate media and not enough reading of alternative news.

    Yes, we clearly made a mistake, but many were calling the bluff and did not jump on the "Pro Iraq War" bandwagon.

    You bought it hook, line and sinker, apparently.

    And since when is it ok to go to war - to kill people - based on idolizing a general who lied to the American people??
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    I'm not asking for anything. I know I fell for it.

    To answer your question, it is never ok to kill people. It was my mistake, being all of 19 years old, to idolize anyone. I've since learned.

    I don't know what you think I meant by this, but I'd like to point out, that at the time no one knew Powell was lying. It is easy to say that now.

    I really don't know what you want here, but this is what caused me to switch parties and get reliable news. My whole post was in response to someone saying he wanted to kill somebody, yet you freak out on me for trying to point out that he is over reacting?

    Sorry, if I pissed you off, friend. I was just being honest. She doesn't deserve torture and death, but should get political heat.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 6 months ago
    With all due respect, numerous people were saying that Powell was lying. You were merely to caught up in what the mainstream media was saying about WMD.

    It's a moot point now, but lets be clear, numerous people were calling the bluff at the time. Google Powell and WMD and you will find quite a treasure trove of information.
  • Jophus · 6 months ago
    I was swindled by the hype and took everything at face value. I was 19. I thought the news was trustworthy. Fortunately, I know better now, friend. :-)

    I was just trying to be honest here among friends, even though it shows what an idiot I was. I'm not afraid to admit it.

    If it is an consolation, even though I still love Powell I still want him to be investigated too, and would not loose a tear if he was found guilty. I just want to know where he stood and what he did behind closed doors. I am optimistic and think that he worked with what he had and tried to fight for our country from inside the monster. Who knows though. nothing is what it seems anymore.
  • MichaelS · 7 months ago
    It's probably OK... she most likely believes it's not torture...
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    *snort*

    it's 'enhanced firearms instruction'

    LOL
  • red_dwarf · 7 months ago
    I rarely call but had to on this one.

    I left a message telling her how sick her comment was, how insane it was, and haven't we had enough insanity all ready?

    NC needs to get rid of a lot trash before they come of age.
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    There is hope for NC..........it went for Obama, as well as elected a Dem. Governor, dumped Liddy Dole, and re-elected a openly gay lesbion State Senator in Nov........ we need to get rid of Burr (US Senate) and this disgraceful Rep. Virginia Fox next time(my district has a Dem Rep. McIntyre).....
  • red_dwarf · 7 months ago
    I hear ya - everyone knows NC is on track - its just these few that you mention...good luck in getting rid of them.

    Once the GOP is reduced to AL, GA, SC and MS we can pull the plug on 'em.

    NC should be a leading state in the 21st century - the education there is excellent, etc, etc.
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    I called too and sent the posting/video to like-minded friends..........
  • HereinDC · 7 months ago
    I rarely called too, and I just did.
    The guy on the phone didn't know what she said,

    I told him he better find out what his boss is saying.
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    I have a feeling that since you called 15 minutes ago, he has heard about it 15 or 20 times... I hope he has at least. Poor LAs.
  • Milli · 7 months ago
    Huffington Post is saying Matthew Sheaprd's mother may have been in the gallery when she made this statement.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/virgin...
  • Mark Baker · 7 months ago
    I'd think it's more likely that her having an IQ above 60 is a hoax.
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    Olbermann just announced she's on the Worst Person segment tonight..............hope the publicity does her in.
  • Raffine · 7 months ago
    She's also the person who made the 'Tar Baby' remark recently.

    Lovely. Just lovely.
  • Focus2009 · 7 months ago
    More evidence that we need to unite and make sure this ignorant hateful bigot is removed from office.
  • knotmyline · 7 months ago
    She could not have made a more ignorant, bigoted statement.

    I guess that's why she didn't claim that his death was suicide.
  • Steve Nickerson · 7 months ago
    absolutely disgusting. There are no words to accurately describe someone like this; although i can think of a few I'd like to name.
  • Craig Fox · 7 months ago
    The odd thing is that she was actually endorsed by Equality NC PAC a few years back. What were they thinking?

    Virginia Foxx has embarassed North Carolina by her ignorant comments. It's high time to stop this sort of bigotry.

    I emailed her office. I encourage others to call and email her and let her know that this kind of hateful rhetoric will no longer be tolerated.
  • laketahoeblue · 7 months ago
    Rep Foxx argues that the murder should not be considered a hate crime because it wasn't the primary goal of the perpetrators, the robbery was. But she is assuming (or proposing) the robbery of Matthew Sheppard wasn't motivated by hate because he was gay, or they presumed he was.

    If the robbery itself was motivated by hate, then the murder, regardless of whether or not it was premeditated, becomes a hate crime as well. But regardless of whether or not the robbery was motivated by hate, no rational, feeling person could help but conclude from the manner in which Matthew Sheppard was tortured and left to die that the murder was motivated by hate.

    I am both disgusted and repulsed by Rep Foxx's desire to discount the seriousness of this abhorrent, hate-motivated murder. Rep Foxx, shame on you!
  • woodroad34 · 7 months ago
    Facts? What Facts? Oh, please, they just get in the way.

    What did Dorothy Parker say? Heterosexuality isn't normal, it's just common. Common--like this...'person'.
  • SecretScoundrel · 7 months ago
    I live in the district just south of where this bigot is, I have been rallying against her for years. Please people this is NOT the worst she has done. STAY ON TOP OF THIS!!! This bitch has got to be voted out of office... Call her office, write editorials, anything you can do would be a great help. Especially at election time - remember the cause.
  • Vivian Hill · 7 months ago
    Not everyone from North Carolina is an asshole. That woman makes me sick...
  • vkobaya · 7 months ago
    Since she knows that what she says are flatout lies, she is admitting she supports, approves and encourages gay bashing and murder. Shouldn't she be thrown out of office? I hope she did not make those lies in front of the House as if they allowed her to say such things without censorship and asking her to resign, the entire House should hang it's head in shame. That speech was about as disgraceful as they come.

    Considering the character and lack of integrity of the Republican Party, what she did must be put in perspective. Bush murdered 1.3 million innocent Iraqi civilians, a couple hundred thousand more Afghani, 4,300 American soldiers and 1,500 citizens of New Orleans in the name of his bigotry and hatred of black and brown people of the world. Compared to Bush, she is itty-bitty small, but very rotten, maggoty potatoes. Then again, compared to Bush, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahlmer, Ted Kuzinski and Richard Ramirez are also small potatoes.
  • ToddPlacid · 7 months ago
    I imagine she considers the Jewish Holocaust, Armenian Genocide and slavery in the American South to be grand hoaxes as well. Pathetic.
  • cole3244 · 7 months ago
    this looks like sean hannity in drag, please check so i don't blame rep fox for something another ignorant bigot said impersonating her, i mean fair is fair right virginia fox.
  • Mynando · 7 months ago
    That lady is a dick. I hope she learns a valuable lesson somehow.
  • JohnInTexas · 7 months ago
    That's one crazy rogue bitch.
  • Indigo · 7 months ago
    She's desperate and grasping at straws. Her party is cornered in ignorance and she knows it. Like any cornered rat, she'll lash out at whatever is in front of her. Poor thing. I think it's going to be important here to make sure the Winston-Salem, NC voters develop an understanding of what this ignorant woman is up to. She's giving them a very bad name. Very bad. It's only fair they know about that.
  • GusII · 7 months ago
    I first saw this live and was dumbfounded. If you can’t win your argument, just make stuff up.
  • Focus2009 · 7 months ago
    I'll make a small wager that Ms. Foxx wins "World's Worst" tonight on KO
  • SCLiberal · 7 months ago
    This is just breathtaking. How... I have no words.
    No wonder the GOP is losing members.
  • BobinSD · 7 months ago
    I just hope that Judy Shepard was not there in the chamber to witness and hear that rubbish. That Foxx woman needs to be impeaced and put out to pasture. She should at least call Judy Shepard and apologize.
  • wmforr · 7 months ago
    According to Keith Olberman, she was. And Keith demanded on the air that Virginia Foxx apologize to her and to all Americans for her statement.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Why don't we just recreate the 'incident' in question, substituting her for Matthew, and then she can see how much of a 'hoax' it was.
  • markf217 · 7 months ago
    No, No. No. Let's not even make comments or jokes about more violence, much less perpetrate more violence. I never want any human being --even someone like Ms. Foxx-- to suffer like Matthew Shepard did. If it is any comfort to you, only 21% of Americans are self-identifying with Ms. Foxx's political party. That number is decreasing daily. Ms. Foxx is part of the reason why the GOP is a fringe group of extremists, a regional hate group. Americans are waking up and are, via their votes and political activism, de-nazifying American culture. Ms. Foxx doesn't represent the views of all people from North Carolina or even a majority of their views. The voters of that state replaced a GOP U.S. Senator with a progressive Democrat in 2008. The electoral college votes from NC went to Barack Obama in November 2008. Let's not insult the progressives from NC. That state has come a long way. Ms. Foxx is pathetic and her deceit (which is now part of the permanent Congressional Record) represents the spiritual sickness of the Nazi element of the GOP. Her obvivous lies and irrational conduct about the Shepard case will only help promote hate crimes legislation. No more violence, ever, not towards anyone.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Those who belittle it should experience it. They will not learn any other way and will continue to spew their venom because they don't have the appropriate perspective.
  • markf217 · 7 months ago
    I am a gay man. A gay friend of mine was beat to death by a right-wing homophobe with a baseball bat in the U.S. Army in 1999. His brains were dripping from an army barracks ceiling and he was literally beaten beyond facial recognition. I went to the trials (Army court martials) of the murderer and the co-conspirator. I know what it is like to be threatened with violence and to be called ugly names. When I was interviewed on the NBC and CBS TV news about this murder I got death threats on the phone, via email, and in the U.S. Mail. My truck was vandalized. I served in the Army. I know what discrimination feels like. That said, I will never become an advocate of violence as an acceptable reaction to hate speech. This will only put us down on the GOP-Nazi level of sickness, spiritual death, and intolerance. Comments wishing violence on people like Ms. Foxx only arms them with potent propaganda to use against us and the progressive movement. I despise the lies this bigoted woman is telling. We do have 1st amendment rights. No one should be threatened with violence because of what they say, even if they lie. Letting these people lie so publicly actually does them more damage than a punch, a kick, a knife, a bullet, or a baseball bat. Let this woman continue to lie and spread hate. People like her have transformed the GOP into a small, exclusive religious cult. They are doing a fine job of destroying themselves. Violence against them? No. Never. If you want to really "hurt" Ms. Foxx, donate $ to the HRC or a gay-friendly charity in her "honor." Non-violence always! Let's move away from the Bush-Cheney-Limbaugh rhetoric hate and de-nazify our society. I gave $100 to the HRC via their website. If you have even $20 on a credit card, donate to the HRC in honor of Ms. Foxx. I have done the same in the past "in honor" of Rush Limbaugh to votevets.org. And go out of your way to be kind to someone in the next day. Let's defeat this hate with our goodwill and our charity.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    The HRC is a toothless orgnization that accomplishes nothing.

    If you turn the other cheek enough times, you'll make yourself dizzy.

    People like this.. woman.. are barely human as it is. They only respond to base stimulus. Until she sticks her hand in the box with a gom jabbar at her neck, she won't be anything but an animal with human potential ;)
  • wmforr · 7 months ago
    Thank you, Dick Cheney. Please get John Yoo to write a memo to that effect.
  • wmforr · 7 months ago
    Hear! Hear!

    Too many comments on this thread (a few is too many) display the same kind of emotion-fed logic that lead to the torture memos. If you haven't read Ali Soufan's accounts of how he actually obtained information Zubaydah through developing trust and discussion of values--he even wiped the guy's ass when he was bedridden, for Christ's sake!--Google him.

    If he can communicate with an al Quaeda member and get him to talk with no threats or torture whatsoever, can't we expect to communicate to our fellow Americans the same way?

    Virginia Foxx is doing more damage to herself and her Party than you could possibly do for her.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    She is a hateful, evil woman. Isn't she also the Blackwater Queen? Blackwater comes from her district, doesn't it?
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    I am a NC resident and just left a message on Rep. Fox voice mail expressing my outrage at her hatefulness and ignorance and that she is an embarrassment to NC.........ugh!
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    I just sent this posting to my whole (progressive) email address book asking them to call..........
  • dacnova · 7 months ago
    This makes me very angry. Matthew Shepard's murder was what turned me into an activist.
  • Milli · 7 months ago
    And slavery was just one big misunderstanding. They were always free to go if they didn't like where they worked................
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Excellent point.
  • larkohio · 7 months ago
    I am not gay, but I am a mom. Mathew could have been my son. It was a hate crime. Virginia Foxx must not have any motherly feelings at all to make this hateful remark. Rest in peace, Mathew.
  • vickif · 7 months ago
    Same here. I worry everyday that some scumbag will decide he doesn't like my son or his partner and I'll get a call someday saying they were murdered because they were out and proud gay men. I'm just so sick and tired of these people who can't mind their own business and worry about other people's lives. If religion can be in the hate crimes law than so should people who aren't bothering anyone else except that God made them gay and these boneheads don't like that.
  • kladinvt · 7 months ago
    The tragic incident took place in Wyoming. You know. Cheney country.
  • shell · 7 months ago
    Thank you. I knew it wasn't Colorado.
  • John Aravosis · 7 months ago
    Sorry, you're right - he died in the hospital in Colorado, and there may have been another colorado connection, that's why I was thinking Colorado.
  • KeithNovo · 7 months ago
    Even moreso, Matt's hometown was Casper, the same as Cheney. His ashes were originally buried in a cemetery in Casper (which is why the Shepards allowed the deception that Matt's hometown was Laramie).
    Matt died in Fort Collins (from where came Bryon White, the author of Bowers vs Hardwick in 1986!), but he was mortally injured after at least eighteen blows to the right side and the top of the head in Laramie. His skull cracked six times. It's amazing he hung on for five days.
    By the way, I learned all this long afterwards. Matt should be on a stamp, for he's dead more than ten years. I even designed one.
  • kladinvt · 7 months ago
    OT - New Hampshire passes marriage equality:
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/New...
    It is not certain how the Dem governor will react.
  • Crazy8 · 7 months ago
    I will bankrupt myself giving money to whomever runs against her. This woman is dangerously crazy and inhumanly mean. She is a Republican, but then I repeat myself.
  • NovaNardis · 7 months ago
    I'm a recent college grad, with $20k in college loans. But this woman makes me want to save as much money as I can and single max ($2,400) to her opponent.
  • mardod · 7 months ago
    Idiot. If Rep Fox starts to wonder why her party is going to be in the wilderness for 40 years (as James Carville recently suggested) she need look no further than ignorant comments such as this.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 7 months ago
    Are there any pictures of him from after he was beaten? She needs to have those shoved in her face.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Knowing her, she probably already saw them and giggled.
  • KeithNovo · 7 months ago
    There was a picture of Matt's face as he lay dying in the hospital, which American Justice showed six times (and Matt's student ID with his social security number five time) back in 2001! Judy Shepard asked us not to show it on the internet.
    Matt has the repirator attached to his nose and mouth, his head is totally bandaged, and his eyes are closed. One can see some of his freckles, which I used to construct of what he'd look like in 2001. His right ear was sewn back on, the frostbite on his face is clear, and the respirator obscures the rest of his face, especially the cleft on his chin.
    All in all, I agree is a a very sad picture of the little blond guy. I wanted to kill Aaron McKinney myself!
  • JustAnOldLady · 7 months ago
    OMG..........I jiust realized her name is "FOXX".........how appropriate.
  • MichaelS · 7 months ago
    Tried all 3 numbers, can't get through -- GOOD, I hope this disgusting excuse for a human being is being flooded with calls.

    will keep trying
  • MichaelS · 7 months ago
    can't even leave a message, mailbox is full

    Wonder if she's a mother... she doesn't deserve the honor. I wish she had to confront Matthew's own mother face to face, would she have the nerve to say these hateful things
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  • ajcfield25 · 7 months ago
    Oh please...you are all letting your agendas cloud your thinking. You know thats not what she meant. She meant that some people in congress are using this crime as a means to get other bills passed, and further their own agenda. Thats the hoax..not the murder itself.
  • John Aravosis · 7 months ago
    Actually, what she did was outright lie about the established facts in one of the more gruesome murders in American history, in front of the victim's own mother, in order to push her own bigoted political agenda.
  • Gridlock · 7 months ago
    Even if that were the case, what "Agenda".. the agenda of having sexual orientation (all of them, including straight), disabilities and whatnot added to existing hate crimes legislation that already protects religion?

    If so, bring on the fucking agenda! Do i get time for a disco nap before it needs to be passed?
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    Are you fucking kidding me?
  • RainbowPhoenix · 7 months ago
    What are you on?
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    You're technically right; she didn't mean that his murder itself is a "hoax", since she's allowing that the murder did happen.

    But the other things she says are patently false. He was *not* killed during the "commitment [sic]" of a robbery. He *was* killed because he was gay. She may as well have called the murder a hoax, given the absurdity of those lies.
  • HelenRainier · 7 months ago
    If that's what she MEANT (according to you) then that's WHAT she should have said.

    That is NOT what she said. Reread her actual words. If you have a problem understanding any words go to dictionary.com and look them up.
  • FatRat · 7 months ago
    The poster is not worth your effort. Looked at the profile. Guessing either a Troll or a True Believer.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    When someone disagrees with you, why are they automatically a troll? Groupthink is sometimes strong here...
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    Just because everyone thinks you are an idiot, doesn't mean it is a product of groupthink. It is just your affect.
  • FatRat · 7 months ago
    Your premise is BS. A young man was murdered and tied as a trophy. Foxx is pretending that it was merely a "robbery gone bad". (I've never heard of a "robbery gone bad", where they hung the victim and then planned to burgle his home.) ajcfield25 claims that "your agendas cloud your thinking." What agendas are these? Pro ritual killings versus anti ritual killings? ajcfield25 has a non existent posting history and claims there is an agenda that clouds the thinking. Troll or True Believer. I never said I knew for certain which one he is.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    I'm just saying that his main point is correct -- the detestable rep. foxx didn't say that his murder was a hoax. that's a little bit of creative license taken by john A.

    I'm just sensitive to the troll-calling; it's common here. oh sorry, you weren't calling him a troll, you were just "guessing". ;)
  • FatRat · 7 months ago
    ---didn't say that his murder was a hoax. that's a little bit of creative license taken by john A.---
    Foxx is pretending it was a simple little robbery gone bad; and claiming that the Dems are making political hay out of a non-event. That is pure BS. She is trying to feign a mountain into a molehill. John A didn't twist or massage any facts.
    Lets pretend I'm going Christmas Caroling to gain entrance into a home, to rob the owner. A robbery might accidentally turn into a homicide. If I torture the homeowner, that wouldn't be classified as simple robbery/home invasion. If I tie their tortured comatose body to the Xmas tree, that would not be simple robbery. It would be something that should be in the Silence of the Lambs or a Saw movie.
    Matthew's murder was not an accidental murder. There is no hoax. Foxx is trying to make us believe that it was merely a crime gone bad. (a pic of the fence) http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08T96xYaCQ8...
    Don't blame you for being sensitive to troll-calling. Trolls just want to enrage others; they will pick the opposing view, for kicks.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    Your colorful analogies aside, the fact remains: there's a limit to angry and deceitful Rep. Foxx's lies on the floor the other day. She said that Matthew's murder was the result of a robbery rather than a hate crime (a lie; no one's debating that.) She did not claim that the murder itself was a hoax (read: that it didn't happen).
  • FatRat · 6 months ago
    Her hoax comment is referring to it not being a hate crime. Foxx agrees that it was homicide, but she doesn't want it classified as a hate crime. She is trying to grab the North end of the compass and say that it points due South.
    "Matthew Shepard bill is named after a very unfortunate incident"
    --An unfortuante incident, is when you accidentally run over your neighbors cat.---
    "young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery"
    ---That sentence just boils my blood. She wants to diminish an unspeakable crime, into a botched robbery.--
    "It wasn't because he was gay. This -- the bill was named for him, hate crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax ..."
    ---She is lying/(GOP spinning) a heinious hate crime into a "robbery gone bad". No need for a fraudulent hate crime bill, it wasn't a crime of hate. It's those politicans trying to "hoax" street crime into a hate crime I'm not accusing her of ignorance or sheer stupidity. I'm accusing her of being in the same category as a Holocaust denyer.---
  • SkippyFlipjack · 6 months ago
    cool, we agree on all of that, including that John's original post title is misleading at best because Foxx agrees that it was homicide and never said that the murder itself was a hoax.
  • FatRat · 6 months ago
    I see what you are saying. What John A. wrote in the header can be easily interpreted in two ways. John wasn't trying to misdirect. (He wouldn't of put up the video in question, if that was his intent.) The writer tries to convey the "bullet points", in his heading. I'd say John was pretty much spot on. If you were to only read the heading and avoid the video or post; then you could get the wrong/altered message. If I see John A (or anyone) make an error, I'll point it out. I find this site to be very accurate. If they weren't I'd go elsewhere.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 6 months ago
    So if you only read the thread title, you'd get the wrong message, yet it's spot on as a bullet point? That's contradictory. The title was a lousy "bullet point" because the rest of John's post was perfectly valid while the title was bullshit. (Just read the title again: "Sheppard's murder was a 'hoax'." She never said that, period.) The unfortunate part is, her real point was appalling enough without embellishment.

    This is not the first time I've seen John write something that's a exaggeration, someone call him on it and get branded a troll. It's something that disappoints me about this site. That's all I'm trying to say.

    We get your "disappointment" with AMERICAblog and John's writing. Enough, already.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    "If you have a problem understanding any words, go to dictionary.com"? What are you, twelve?
  • Jophus · 7 months ago
    This is what is wrong with your party. You think it is a childish behavior to cite a resource or look into something you don't understand.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 7 months ago
    LOL... "my party"? you and I are on the same side, Jophus, except when it comes to childish behavior.
  • Milli · 7 months ago
    Umm, she said...................

    "...........but we know that that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. it wasn't because he was gay."

    Don't exactly see how that statement can be misinterpreted.
  • whatever666666 · 7 months ago
    Appropriately named...
  • whatever666666 · 7 months ago
    After being offered the job, Schroer had lunch with a Library of Congress official and explained the upcoming surgery. Schroer testified the official called the next day and said the position would not be a ''good fit.'' http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/04/29/us/p...
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  • notapunk · 7 months ago
    What short memories. You folks might want to go back and review a "20/20" report by Elizabeth Vargas from November 2004.
  • wmforr · 7 months ago
    ... which was widely debunked at the time. It was inaccurate, short on fact, heavy on unsupported opinion. Just like Virginia Holocaust-denier-Foxx.
  • Ferdie Sarmiento · 7 months ago
    So sad. Who f***ing elected this bigot anyway?
  • jwolive82 · 7 months ago
    She is wrong, she should be called out on her hate towards human equality and justice. She is very narrowminded and hopefully the ones that voted her in will vote another way next time around. And next time YOU write anything about North Carolina, remember that she is an individual and a bigot and she does not represent everyone, so don't be a bigot yourself and group the whole state of NC as bigots with comments like "Here is what North Carolina (figures) Republican had to say about Shepard's horrific murder:" Figures? Really? I guess it "figures" that a DC blogger hasn'nt made it around NC to see wht people here really think...
  • I v.T. · 6 months ago
    Truthfully....

    I personally think gay people are great people....I do. I even have a gay friend who I've been friends with for a long time. But I think it is against nature to be gay...I think gays should live in fear because naturally, guys are not suppoesed to have sex with eachother and girls also. I have nothiing against gay people, but I personally tink that if you want to be gay, your choosing a life of hardship....so what are you expecting? Dont get me wrong...Matthew did NOT deserve to die the way he did, but who says he wouldnt of died from aids or things like that? No one deserves to die the way Matt did, but I tihnk choosing the life style gay people do is there choice of being an outcast for most of their lifes if not all. Its not natural or ethical at all for being gay....so why put yourself through it and live your whole life in fear? I think they should live in fear if they chose to do so, simply because it is not right and they knew the worlds and laws ideas concerning the issue.

    Thanks,
    I v. T.
  • Name · 2 months ago
    It isn't a choice! When did you wake up and "choose" to be straight?
  • Paul · 1 month ago
    I v. T., it seems to me it would hurt to have such burning bigotry blistering in one's brain. Are you truly comfortable with the choice you've made--that of blithering bigot? Please don't take this as a personal attack.