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Barack is looking like Dubya in his unwillingness to admit a mistake. Either that or he doesn't think it's a mistake, which is even worse.
You don't want to burn in hell for eternity, do you?
Come and feel the conditional "love" we have for you.
Closeted, psychically damaged gays with wives and kids: good. They can be recruited for Warren's version of Jesus. And they can drop $$$ in the plate.
Liberated, psychically integrated gays with partners: bad.
Liberated, psychically integrated gays with partners and kids: very bad. No $$$ there.
We it comes to the GLBT community we are still riding at the back of the Obama bus.
On a side note, it's good to see the T back in place with the GLB. Let's not be so quick to throw our fellow warriors under the bus like so many of us were ready to do, just a few months ago. Imagine how they felt when the Gs Ls and Bs turned their backs on them in order to improve their own chances at equality.
The website pretty much says that any study done about gays is wrong. And even if they were right, they are still wrong.
Perhaps they meant "..AS a member..."? Nothing makes me more nuts than a bigot who doesn't proof read.
But apparently they will accept divorcees, even though Jesus explicitly says that "anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.'" Matthew 19:3-9 This is probably because, if they barred all divorcees from membership, 3/4 of their pews would be empty and so would their coffers.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/americas_f...
WHAT YOU CAN DO:
1. CALL/EMAIL Emmett Belivau, Executive Director/CEO of the Inaugural Committee:
Phone:202-203-1715
Email: emmett@pic2009.org
2. SEND a letter letting the transition team know what you think here http://change.gov/page/content/contact, and
3. EMAIL Parag Mehta, Obama's LGBT liaison on the transition team at parag.mehta@ptt.gov.
Let your voices be heard and send emails to the members of Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies as well.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fu...
Sen. Harry Reid
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Sen. Bob Bennett
http://bennett.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
Rep. Steny Hoyer
http://hoyer.house.gov/contact/email.asp
Rep. John Boehner
http://johnboehner.house.gov/Contact/
Here's my letter, succinct as I can be:
Barack Obama's victory over fear and hate was a historic event, about which we are tremendously proud.
Rick Warren is on the wrong side of history. Elevating him to the privilege of speaking at the Inauguration is wrong.
We urge you to convey to the President-Elect that he, and we as a nation, are ill-served by this decision.
Sincerely,
firstly, let me answer the question that is always used here and everywhere, "will obama do this if it was the black communityy and invite a racist?"
ANSWER: if the public view was at least 50/50 on this issue , probably YES, YES , YES. (em Obama would not be president anyways with views on the black community being that way, so maybe you would be having hillary- hell hillary would have no chance either - so probably you would be asking mccain)
if you recall, in the past with interacial marriage, black rights, em, half of the people in congress were KKK members or proud friends of one, the other half were "REACHING ACCROSS" to them.
so in conclusion, this all depends on the society we live in, the american society is 50/50 on this issue (gay marriage), so this is what happens. in canada where i live in, our society has moved on, that is the ONLY reason why gay marriage is a non-issue here and a HOT MESS in the U.S.A.
that's all folks.
i would start complaining if he starts making homophobic policies, till then i will SHUT UP, but i do understand where you are coming from.
Why are people so thick to get this through their heads?
Saddleback was specifically for Warren's followers and on Warren's property, the inaguration is for the entire country and on public lands.
Totally different thing.
Why would I want to join that church?
Why is it STILL ok to bash gays and get away with it!?
I have to say, I do get a similar vibe from Warren. Anyone else?
-S
He's banning gays, oh wait those with the "homosexual lifestyle" (typical words of a HOMOPHOBE).
Is that what Jesus would do? I don't think so!
This is a cardboard cut out of Rick Warren shaking hands with Jesus to PLAINLY DISCRIMINATE against Out LGBTQ people. Can anyone truly argue that this creed should be defended without playing devil's advocate?
We (speaking as a gay American) put up with enough "Wait for your turn, right now the bigger problems come first" bullshit. To have this guy speak at the Inauguration means I'm doubling my efforts travel to Washington to hold a sign for my man Obama to see.
I donated money that could've gone to rent to get him elected, I wore my Obama Pride sticker proudly, and now I feel ashamed to defend my president-elect in the midst of my own people.
Where's Drudge, NBC, CNN, or FOX to actually pick up something that matters to the GLBTQ community? Covering Blagojevich saying AGAIN that he's innocent and won't back down. Ploy to be tougher on Obama? Oh wait, polls show that voters aren't and won't tie Obama to Blago.
The hypocrisy is startling and, as the bumper stickers exclaim:
IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION!
But, hey, they won't stop you from attending and I bet when they pass the plate around they will take your money.
At the restaurant in Hell the favored dish of deceased evangelicals is levitical linguini, garnished with shellfish sauteed in saintly sauce. The Devil is hand preparing a big batch, eagerly awaiting the arrival of Mr. Warren. They'll have a discussion on biblical FOCUS right before the dark avenger flings Warren's flabby crab eating soul into the hellfire of eternal damnation.
The rotisserie the Devil uses for roasting pork (a favorite of the sinning Jews) drips grease on the burning bodies of the godless crab eaters. The resulting smoke and flame adds a slightly nutty and mysterious flavor to the pork that heightens it's appeal. No two smoked pigs ever quite taste the same. They tend to vary from person to person. It's part of the appeal of the dish.
Enjoy.
(We don't want you arrested throwing them at him. But wait, we could just leave it at the stage?).
So, the rest of us have to accept Fat F#ck Warren and his bigoted shit, but he can turn us away when it suits him.
I see how it is, Obama.
Screw you.
Bush did not invent "either your with us or against us."
Maybe Obama's philosophy and actions won't work.
But the last 30 years sure haven't
I am simply tired of anyone banning anyone.
Tell ya what John and others...go to DC..and on the 20th
commit an act of civil disobedience...get arrested..
have the local government jail you for your beliefs.
Seriously John...in the 8 years of Bush.
How many times have you placed yourself in a position of arrest
to physically assert your beliefs?
Maybe you missed out on the Bush years..
I await your demonstration of commitment on the first day of the Obama years...
One my my seven since 2003
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4099557
(and yeah that's my pic..and yeah I fasted during my incarceration)
You all are pissed off...cool
If this is not worth arrest for you...what is?
I'm sick of our so-called progressive friends telling us that our struggle is somehow inferior to, well; everyone else's.
The underlying belief of the "inclusive" Obama apologists is the same as Warren's (which is probably why you are o.k. with this choice), and that is: homosexuality is a choice and therefore not really the same as being a woman or being black or being...whatever. You can dress it up any way you like, but that is what you and Obama are saying loud and clear with this choice and with your apologies.
And as for the gays who are apologizing for Obama's choice, I just can't even to begin to fathom what is going on in your heads. What is the gay equivalent of an 'Uncle Tom'. Log Cabin?
And to the op: Wow. You've been to jail a few times for your so-called beliefs: its all window dressing, as your words betray the fact that you don't even believe your own b.s.
The bigots and apologists apparently thought teh gays would just continue sitting down and shutting up. Well, those days are fucking over. I'm going to call out bigotry when I see it and if that makes some so-called liberals uncomfortable in their own skin so be it.
Lot's of people are now trying to say that civil rights equality is a "fringe" or "far left" idea. Fine. This radical is going to get in their face every step of way then. Tough shit if people don't like it.
Way to go Barry! Stop all the dissent so that you don't have to answer.
There is nothing that Barry can say or do to gloss over the overt hatred that Warren and his ATM, I mean "church", demonstrates on its website.
Maybe Barry can come spew more of the same bullshit he spewed at his nomination in Denver. We'd all believe that right about now, wouldn't we?
*ALL* TV preachers have one....
But seriously, fighting never got me anything. Talking sense, building consensus, that's where it's at. Only fight when you are in mortal peril.
Prop 8 is the sound of homophobia on its deathbed.
I think any intelligent activism has to be aware of the form of people's prejudices. Only flex your muscles when strategically necessary, but always balance it with positive cultural work (philanthropy, PR, and dialogue).
I think Harvey Milk is a good example of the kind of leadership that is lacking right now. MLK is also another good example.
that will result in arrest in protest? cool! (of course it will effect your resume.)
It's just going to justify segregation to an easily frightened public.
/snark/
Hmmmm. Sounds like more than a few at Saddleback have a guilty conscience.
Besides, I'm Jewish.
except on protecting the envioroment.
and on providing education for the disadvantaged.
and literacy projects.
and helping the poor.
and fighting aids.
and promoting reconciliation.
and it's not "our inauguration".
I'll give you one thing Mr. F key. You are consistently one of the most ignorant,(and arrogantly so) posters that trolls this site. Do you come here to vent only because none of your favorite conservative websites HAVE comment sections?
And stated why in two paragraphs. Maybe every GLBT
person who is a suscriber should do the same
On 1/20 ...Obama will be your President...ya want to make a point?
Quit your job...spend every day picketing the White House..
Make your physical resistance...visible.
Ya gotta a little more than unsubscribe...although that is a start...
However, you have completely redeemed yourself in my eyes with this latest revelation. This is ABSOLUTELY and completely relevant to this issue and the outrage that it has generated. I can't imagine a more perfect example of how absurd it is to "reach out" and give a place of honor at this year’s inauguration (which CONTRARY to many people's assertion is THE PEOPLE'S event, NOT the president's alone). How can he possibly justify adding this man to the lineup, in a place of honor, at an event that is supposed to bring EVERYONE together when this man SPECIFICALLY and UNIQUELY denies membership to his church to ONLY ONE group of "sinners" and proudly says so on his church’s "saddlebackFAMILY' website. He says nothing about denying membership to ANY other people or groups of people based on their “sin”. They actually say on their FAMILY page that unrepentant gays are not welcome in their family.
If we knew NOTHING more about this man, this revelation alone should disqualify him from having this place of honor on this day of celebrating and honoring inclusion AND those who INCLUDE.
It would be no different if Obama had an as inauguration speaker a person who owned a country club that disallowed blacks.
This is OUTRAGEOUS.
It's a tough line, because I fully support their right to interpret the Bible as they believe to be true, and I'm not trying to force their church to do anything that goes against their beliefs. But it still feels like a kick in the gut, especially so soon after the passage of Prop 8. And I feel so bad for those kids already born who are gay but don't know it yet or haven't accepted it yet. That church is so large there have got to be a ton of already-gay kids who are growing up in an environment that judges them to be sick and sinners just because of who God made them.
Enjoy.
We have been duped and screwed by Obama. I hope the Obama cultists will finally wake up from the Kool-Aid buzz!
Obama screwed up. What makes all of this dissapointing, as I pointed out to will from NYC above - is that he comes back with this bullshit response about "being inclusive". Homophobia is NEVER acceptable, period. Obama knows that. But Obama is looking to 2012. Personally, after what he just did, I can't stand to look at the man any longer. I have lost ALL respect for him. Anyone who embraces bigotry and homophobia are losers in my world, spineless cowards. Nothing more, nothing less.
The biggest issue facing those who took the time to 'blog in'? on some poll he did last week was drug legalization. THE BIGGEST ISSUE. THE ONE MOST PRESSING TO MOST PEOPLE.
He's an honest doper who has hit the big time. Let's see how he deals with the rest of us. That will be REALLY telling.
Enjoy.
Obama should have known better. This part is almost as bad as Warren himself.
If not, I would seriously wonder what (and how much) he has to hide.
After eight years of Bush, how much more can gay people take???
I'm DONE with these politicians making nice then treating us like garbage.
But what are my other options? Seriously, I'm asking.
Knowing where you are is indicated by your statement that Obama "...willingly, knowingly, and unapologetically threw the LGBT community under the bus for political gain - knowing (he's not studpid) that it would send a clear message to intelligent people that "he lacks courage", "lacks a spine", because, as we know, he did it for political gain. You know as well as others that his argument that he wanted to be "inclusive" is bullshit.
So there you are will. Obama just handed out a plate of bullshit to the LGBT community - declaring, for all history, that he is spineless.
Now, enjoy the holidays and fight for your rights. I recommend that all LGBT participants in the inaugaration withdrawal immediately. If they do not, then I too will lose faith. Right now I believe in the LGBT community, that they will stand up for their rights, and fight, always. Now its time for action.
Forget Obama. He's already delcared who he is, another political whore. Maybe he'll change - who knows? But just be yourself will - and no worries brother - anyone with half a brain is with you.
(sigh...)
that no longer stands for ALL of America
What is a republic? What does it stand for?
(for anyone who doesn't get it ;)
one nation
under fraud
with liberty and justice for the Religious Christians only.
The phones at the station lit up like the opening ceremonies at the Chinese Olympic Games.
Enjoy.
These evangelists who are so concerned with what adults do in their intimate relationships are more than a little bit obsessed.
I'm disappointed that the president-elect chose Warren. While it might be admirable to be willing to show civility to those who disagree with you, I would be just as offended if he wanted Rev. Hagee to serve the same function.
I guess this was an ill-conceived choice, made, perhaps to distance himself from the shitstorm the Right generated about Rev. Wright (who is still a better man than Warren).
The only requirement is unrepentant intellectualism and rationality of a kind that disavows any supernatural claims of authority the bible represents, be they focused on inappropriate shellfish consumption, sexual orientation, or the appropriateness of offering your daughter's sexual services to strangers lest you be considered a poor host.
Enjoy.
For a guy who claims to promote Christian values, he has a funny way of showing it. It's a shame that anyone listens to him. He's not right with himself, and bestsellers won't make a difference.
P.S.--I haven't read his book. (1) I'm not into these "inspirational" books, and (2) the title is pretentious.
Amen.
Enjoy.
http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/membership/grou...
It needs to be shouted loud that they are using the deceitful paraphrase called "The Living Bible" as their source for the hateful quotes. This is not an accurate translation of any original text -- it's not a translation at all, but a piece of propaganda parading as "the Bible."
Christianity is crazy...loony...kooky. A father induces the birth of himself in the womb of a virgin using the ghost of himself (Wah?). Get off your duffs people. Complainers who target Warren as the boogie man are ineffective. Until you are willing to call out Christianity for its backwards, bigoted, discriminatory behavior that influences the votes of millions of people, you are simply wasting time.
So much for the First Amendment.
We are all sinners. Maybe the difference between the sin of an over-eater and the sin of practicing homosexual relations, is that the over-eater knows they are doing wrong and truly wants to change. The practicing homosexual doesn't acknowledge their activity as sin and therefore doesn't want to change -- or live a Godly life as outlined in the Bible. One day, we will all have to answer for our actions during our earthly life.
The greatest thing about God is that he loves "EVERYONE" so much, that he gives them a choice. The choice to live according to his ways, or the choice to ignore his love and offer of salvation for the fleshly, selfish pleasures of ourselves.
That's my sermon for the day!
Personally, I believe organized religion is an oxymoron: How can something so individual as a relationship with Jesus be organized? Perhaps religion is the opiate to the masses...