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AMERICAblog: Rick Warren is a major fail and a total affront

  • Damien · 1 year ago
    In fairness to Obama, it was the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies that chose Rick Warren. And even though I know Obama could have pushed them in a different direction, it WAS them and not Obama who made that choice.

    So, you know, fuck Congress.
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    As Greg Sargent already wrote, Obama was part of the team that picked Warren - you don't think Obama had final say over the preacher doing the invocation at his inaugural?
  • Boycottutah · 1 year ago
    Exactly!
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    So what? Didnt you post about your theories on Newt and how he plans to use the culture issue against Obama..... How will Obama defeat Newt's efforts if he allows Newt to further radicalize the religious right.... Obama's has the gay vote...the gay marriage equality issue is for the gays to fight through the courts...

    Obama needs to furhter secure more people on the right and attempt to move them to the center.. he will be able to do that by saying I hear you but we may disagree... how can't change minds if he cant get their attention...
  • jcgraham77 · 1 year ago
    OMG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>enough with that bullshit already. It is his inaugurations...he could have bozo give the prayer. Obama has to approve who they pick...do your research.
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    Even though he did not directly pick Warren, he could have nixed the idea. I am very disappointed when Obama does this sort of thing. He is not going to bring the whole world together, he's the president now, and he doesn't have to reach out to enemies. And many people who supported him when it was not certain he would win are slighted. Warren definitely shat on him in that so-called faith debate at Saddleback as well as Proposition 8. Talk about political incorrectness!
  • Teddy Partridge · 1 year ago
    DiFi's DC office claims, authoritatively, that neither she nor the JCCIC decided to invite Rick Warren. It was the Obama Presidential Inaugural Committee. You can believe that or not, but that's what they say.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Rick Warren will kick Obama in the teeth - hell he already did during that stupid televised interview with McCain. There are some wonderful, accepting religious leaders out there, and they pick this loser...blah.
  • diembe · 1 year ago
    re: "expendable"

    the word i selected in my email to the transition office (as if anyone there will give a shit about it) was "disposable," but my wind-knocked-out-of-me feeling at this selection seems precisely the same as yours. i'm sad, hurt, pissed, and sick to death of the mood-swingly nature of our importance to democratic party leaders depending which side of election day we happen to find ourselves.
  • judybrowni · 1 year ago
    TELL THEM HOW DISGUSTED YOU ARE BY THIS CHOICE:

    parag.mehta@ptt.gov (Parag Mehta is Obama’s LGBT liaison in the transition team.)
    dnoble@barackobama.com
    bbond@barackobama.com
    shidebrand@barackobama.com
    fred.hochberg@ptt.com

    You can also contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s office. She chaired the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies and made the announcement.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein
    Los Angeles
    11111 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite 915
    Los Angeles, CA 90025
    Phone: (310) 914-7300
    Fax: (310) 914-7318

    The following counties are served by the Los Angeles office: Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, Ventura.


    San Diego
    750 B Street, Suite 1030
    San Diego, CA 92101
    Phone: (619) 231-9712
    Fax: (619) 231-1108

    The following counties are served by the San Diego office: Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Imperial, San Diego.


    Fresno
    2500 Tulare Street, Suite 4290
    Fresno, CA 93721
    Phone: (559) 485-7430
    Fax: (559) 485-9689
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    thank you judy brown. you rock.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Message to the Gay Community: Pick your Battles. Since they need a "prayer" to open the ceremony, one religious nut job is just as good as another. I stand behind Obama, whether he chose Warren personally or not, as he will do more for the Gay Community than any other president living or dead. I trust his judgment. Period.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    "...as he will do more for the Gay Community than any other president living or dead. "

    Yeah, you're right. We just need to wait until Obama's second term.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    I am right.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    Dear Obama Campaign,

    I would like a refund.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  • Gregory Lyons · 1 year ago
    Well he's chosen a Mossad spy to be his chief of staff, a Republican war monger to be his Secretary of War, hawks and war mongers galore, why not a homophobe?

    Change....bwahh ahh ahh
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    back from the dead are you?
  • eclecticbrotha · 1 year ago
    Let's just impeach him now and give the White House to John McCain.

    Honestly. I leave the net for a couple weeks and come back to find a bunch of people going to pieces over marginal crap like this? Really? Half a million people thrown out of work last month but Blago and Rick Warren are more important?
  • Gridlock · 1 year ago
    Why is it NEVER a good time to be fighing for rights?

    ANYTIME is always a good time. It's called f#cking multitasking. Obama said he was capable.

    Is he willing? Doesn't seem like it, with this jackhole on board.
  • Boycottutah · 1 year ago
    Obama is a religious homophobe. Here is his direct quote heard on the Yes on 8 robocalls:
    "I believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman," he said. "Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God is in the mix."

    DJ Obama remixin' my rights. I am starting to hate him as much as I hate Bush.
  • foxy · 1 year ago
    I am speechless...what can I say.
  • shell · 1 year ago
    I hope as many gays as possible would come to DC for this, and have a HUGE protest.

    Joe, it does no good to just not go to the inaugural events. (Warren would love that.) You have to go -- and protest.

    I saw what gays did to that restaurant in LA. All that for a $100 donation? What about this -- no money involved, but TONS of publicity.

    PROTEST that skank. Scream so loud outside, it drowns out his Prayer to Nazi-ism.
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    good idea
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    What do you want him to do, alienate the far right? Barack's our friend... but he's got a formidable group to contend with in the religious right and they are bigger than the gay community..he knows we'll vote for him and wont vote for a republican..he got to secure the far right and get them on his side...
    the gay community needs to take the quest for equality in all aspects of life to the supreme court.. Barack can't do that for us...
    When I get material from the HRC and other gay organizations, it looks more like a brochure from a society magazine... seeking equality isn't a party...
    I layed out a plea that a gay individual/couple could make in the court system and not one person commented on it... not even someone from the legal field...
    gay marriage means nothing to me...gay marriage isn't a priority in the Obama administration... he's nominated a lesbian to show us he's fair...
    he's got a nation on the brink of another great depression to save.. .
    leave him alone..........
  • Gridlock · 1 year ago
    why don't YOU go sit YOUR ass at the back of the bus and keep your mouth quiet while adults do the fighting for rights you apparently don't feel you need.

    Disgusting.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    take your quest for equality to the courts.. I gave this board a plea to use and all you want to do is bitch... go look at my posting history...
  • bearclaw · 1 year ago
    Wow, that is naive. The California Supreme Court already held that gay and lesbian couples have a right, under the California Constitution, to marry. And guess what? Proposition 8 took that AWAY, by amending the California Constitution. What do you think would happen in the unlikely event the U.S. Supreme Court held that gay and lesbian couples have a right, under the U.S. Constitution, to marry? Gosh, I don't suppose that Rick Warren, the Mormon Church and all the other usual suspects would rally to amend the U.S. Constitution to absolutely forbid marriage between persons of the same gender? The courts are not the answer. The answer is to directly, instantly, forcefully confront the lies and the people who spread them, including Rick Warren and anyone who helps legitimize his "polite" and "moderate" and "purpose driven" hate.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 1 year ago
    If the federal courts legalize gay marriage, the right will have to go through the ex post facto claus.
  • bearclaw · 1 year ago
    Excuse me? What on earth do you mean? The "ex post facto" clause is actually two clauses: Art. I, Sec. 9, Clause 3 (applicable to Congress), and Art. I, Sec. 10, Clause 2 (applicable to the States). It only relates to the ability of Congress or the States to alter punishment after the punishable act has been committed. At least, that is what the U.S. Supreme Court has consistently said for, oh, about 200 years. It has absolutely no bearing on the ability to strike down same sex marriage through a constitutional amendment.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    go back a couple of weeks on the post ive made here.. i specifically laid out the plea to make thru the courts, which will have to be elevated to the supreme court of the USA... we are protected under the 1st amendment of the Bill of Rights...... no one has ever used the plea I noted to my knowledge... first we must seek equal treatment and equal protections as individuals, then all other rights that heteros have will be ours...
  • bearclaw · 1 year ago
    I found your post. The crux of your argument seems to be (and I'm quoting you): "If congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, then how can any state make a law and enforce it if it is formed from and through religious sentiment and is championed by members of the religious community?"

    I agree that we need to get religion out of marriage, in the sense that marriage license from your state is a civil contract, not a religious document.

    But laws requiring and proscribing many things are formed -- at least in part -- from and through religious sentiment ("Thou shalt not kill") and are championed by members of the religious community. And often, religious people are on both sides (abolition, women's suffrage, gay rights). There is not a chance that the Supreme Court is going to strike laws down on First Amendment grounds because supporters of the laws have expressed religious reasons for supporting those laws. I don't want to strike down the Voting Rights Act because people like Martin Luther King Jr. and Joseph Lowery were (are) ministers ("Thank God Almighty, free at last").

    I think we (including heteros like myself) need to challenge the supposed religious underpinning of the opponents of same-sex marriage. If the Bible is one's model for the institution of marriage, then we will have to accept polygamy (including situations such as Jacob marrying two sisters, Leah and Rachel), and forcing young girls who have been raped to marry their rapist. Most "Christians" really haven't a clue what the Bible says about marriage. When people like Rick Warren point to the Bible as their support for Ozzie and Harriet marriage, we need to make it clear that if you want a screwed up model of marriage, just look to the Bible.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    I think the fight for equal marriage rights is ours to fight apart from Obama. The best approach that has been pointed out by many including those on the right is to test the federal constitution on 14th amendment grounds of equal protection. The only ones that could do this are married gay couples in states where it has been legalized. Someone suing for a federal benefit such as social security survovor benefits could make the case go to the Supreme Court. I'm not a lawyer so I may not have all the facts but you get the idea.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    Youre right, weve got to find a couple that will pursue their right to be treated equally and without the forced prejudice of religious based myths and fables... "If congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." how can Prop 8 be held up as valid and enforceable without the supreme court stating that all people can be discriminated upon legally by people of faith for whatever cause or reason they can defend through their doctrines... and basically place us back into the dark ages...
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    Bear, thanks for your response.. are you saying the bill of rights is null and void and is not invocable as a means of protecting ones equal rights to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness and that religious persecution is perfectly legal in legally binding forums such as ballot measures, and that unequal treatment is allowable because it is founded in religious doctrine? Wasnt religion the first form of govt? I dont see how unequal treatment and selective reading of biblical standards, can become the standard in modern day laws... Thou shalt not kill can stand up to non religion based reasoning as the act of killing (murder) destroys the victims right to life, liberty, et al...

    I think we have a case somewhere between the 1st and 14th amendments.. or weve got to have the supreme court tell us that the bill of rights doesnt apply to us ... we should force the courts to tell us we are not human beings worthy of equal access... then they can assign a percentage of our bodies that meets their standards and we can reduce our tax burden accordingly... force them to say we not equal because we cant reproduce so that straight infertile couples can also be categorized as unequal, as well as people who choose not to procreate... make them say that only straight people who make babies are whole citizens.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    Bear, I think the golden rule plays a big role in how many of our laws were founded, which has some identity in the religious doctrines as well as in common law.. And to take this perspective further, it supports of my use of the 1st amendment protections in challenging anti-gay legislation when it is driven by biblical quotations and religious organizations with the tax free money theyve acquired.... I think this challenges your position that religion played a role in many of our laws and the Supreme Court would be reluctant to not be in support of that premise.. Or at least thats how I understood your response...

    Do unto others as you would have them do onto you, could be applied easily to "thou shall not kill", "thou shall not steal". "thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods", etc.. etc., because you wouldnt want someone to do those acts upon you. How does your position that religion is part of laws and therefore not a viable challenge as I put it in my original plea when applying the golden rule to the homosexual relationships? How could "do unto other as you would have them do unto you" apply in terms of enacting anti-gay legislation...I just don't see how religion based laws can be used against us, when no one is being harmed except the homosexual who is being treated less than equal.....

    So, how can the Supreme Court claim that laws are often times based in religion because its a remedy for harm one party has done to other, when the only harm that can be proven in Prop 8 is that gay people are not receiving equal treatment based on selective interpratations of biblical versus, and that can be tangibly proven... How can straight Christians prove that Steve and Gary's marriage down the street has harmed them? It just seems to me that anti-gay laws based in religious doctrines are unconsitutional? Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.... Isn't that what Prop 8 just did?
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    I disagree with pdxprobert's first half of the post about the far right. I don't think Obama is pandering to them as Rick Warren is not as popular among the core evangelicals as you might think. I also disagree with Gridlock's comment because having a prayer by a religious wacko is no reason to declare that the sky is falling. It isn't. Adults keep their wits about them and keep their eye on the real issues and a prayer by a homophobe isn't one of them. Repealing "Dont ask Dont tell" is one of them and marriage equality is another but you can't from A to Z without going through the rest of the letters first. We are much further along in our quest for equal rights than we think and trashing our allies (YES Obama is an ally) is not the way to get to B, C, D etc.
  • Gridlock · 1 year ago
    And adults factor in everything as it comes, taking in data from all streams and this is a big fat red flag.

    How many times have we said, or been told "oh calm down" only to get reamed?

    Frankly, I'm tired of calming down. When we calm down, we LOSE.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Agreed. We should not be appeased into inaction but a red flag doesn't necessarily mean that we have a problem. We should continue to be engaged and monitor what happens. It will be obvious to all of us if he doesn't keep his promise to repeal "Dont ask Dont tell" to name just one example and we will all be united on that one. I have to tell you that I do believe in him so I really think he will make this happen. He needs time though and we should give it to him while remaining vigilant.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    thank you Mark...
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    Mark, I just posted the following response to a comment Bearclaw made to my original post.... What do you think of my response to him and its viability to use in defense of using the 1st amendment to challenge Prop 8 and all other religion fueled and funded anti-gay legislation?

    "Bear, I think the golden rule plays a big role in how many of our laws were founded, which has some identity in the religious doctrines as well as in common law.. And to take this perspective further, it supports of my use of the 1st amendment protections in challenging anti-gay legislation when it is driven by biblical quotations and religious organizations with the tax free money theyve acquired.... I think this challenges your position that religion played a role in many of our laws and the Supreme Court would be reluctant to not be in support of that premise.. Or at least thats how I understood your response...

    Do unto others as you would have them do onto you, could be applied easily to "thou shall not kill", "thou shall not steal". "thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods", etc.. etc., because you wouldnt want someone to do those acts upon you. How does your position that religion is part of laws and therefore not a viable challenge as I put it in my original plea when applying the golden rule to the homosexual relationships? How could "do unto other as you would have them do unto you" apply in terms of enacting anti-gay legislation... I just don't see how religion based laws can be used against homosexuals, when no one is being harmed except the homosexual who is recieving less than equal treatment.....

    So, how can the Supreme Court claim that laws are often times based in religion because its a remedy for harm one party has done to other, when the only harm that can be proven in Prop 8 is that gay people are not receiving equal treatment based on selective interpratations of biblical versus, and that can be tangibly proven... How can straight Christians prove that Steve and Gary's marriage down the street has harmed them? It just seems to me that anti-gay laws based in religious doctrines are unconsitutional? Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion.... Isn't that what Prop 8 just did?"
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    "..he got to secure the far right and get them on his side..."
    why? did the riech-wing secure the far left during the last 30 years? did FDR secure the 'far right' during his 16 years of building the middle class?
    I just don't think they need to be 'secured' nor will they probably ever go away. I think they need to be defeated, destroyed, and continually guarded against. If through education and engagement, ok. But, 'securing' them, or 'gettting them on your side'. No.
  • MNPundit · 1 year ago
    I think going through the courts is a bad idea for homosexuals but they can do it they want. But I have to ask, Barack's our friend? Aside from naming Steven Chu to Energy, what the hell has Barack Obama ever done for us?

    He's not our friend.
  • vegasbaby · 1 year ago
    how could Obama do this? he's already won the election, no need to bow to the alter of false phophets/religions...

    my first disappointment from someone who I thought valuesd the LGBT community...I'm sure glad we cancelled our plans to attend the innauguration....

    so sad
  • Jennifer · 1 year ago
    The protest is a great idea. Keep us posted. Shall I bring extra shoes to throw?
  • kr · 1 year ago
    I remember when this blog was calling Hillary Clinton everything except the anti-Christ (although I might have missed that post). Anyone who had any doubts about Obama was flamed. Well, this is what you get. If you'd been paying attention during the campaign, instead of polishing Obama's halo, this wouldn't be a surprise.
  • jcgraham77 · 1 year ago
    yeah...i still smell the smoke from those flames
  • rk · 1 year ago
    Yeah, You are right, perhaps... I ignored it at the time, but Obama did commit the same faux-pas (but isn't it more than that) during the campaign for the nomination -- he asked a homophobic minister to appear on the stage with him.
  • SUEC716 · 1 year ago
    EMAIL OBAMA AT CHANGE.GOV AND TELL HIM YOU DO NOT WANT RICK WARREN--THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER FULLY INCLUSIVE AND TOLERANT CLERGY LIKE JIM WALLIS TO GOVE THE INVOCATION!
  • CrumblyTofu · 1 year ago
    I just did, is that really the only complaint I can file?? Does his senate phone # still work? This falls under Prop H8te boycott realm for me, and I DO NOT want to miss the inauguration, but happily will if Warren stays a part of it. Total betrayal. Ugh.
  • Maldoror · 1 year ago
    Any man with a beard like Warren has, is a child molester.
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    I agree that all members of the LGBT community should boycott the inauguration if Rick Warren gives the invocation.
  • jon · 1 year ago
    ALL, and ANY fairminded and clear thinking persons SHOULD boycott the inaugration if Rck Warren is involved Bigotry and injustice towards some folks is a detriment to ALL society.

    This decision should piss off alot of people w/o regard to one's sexual orientation.
  • KKT · 1 year ago
    I suppose that if one's a Christian, one would like someone to do an invocation ... but would it be too much to ask that the person so chosen be a tad more Christ-like ... someone other than a homophobe who lied outright about the "cone of silence" during the election? WWJD, indeed.
  • dag · 1 year ago
    Perhaps you should have put a little more thought into whom you supported (and trashed at every opportunity) during the primary. We are seeing this across the board (more than just with the gay rights/prop 8 issue). We are at a point in this country where we can bury the "limited government, no government, no regulation or oversight" ideology of the past 28 years. This philosophy started with Ronald Reagan and has ended with W and the destruction of our economy. The Madoff scandal should be the final nail in the coffin. I know that Hillary would have taken every opportunity to clearly assign blame for the mess that we are in. It appears that Obama will only focus on "moving forward" and appealing to the great middle. While he may get us out of the ditch (as I believe Hillary would have), we will be fighting these same policy battles over and over again. I think you hit the nail on the head though - those who elected him are now being pushed aside in order to appeal to the great middle.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    there was no question in my mind, during the primary that shillary was a bigger neo-lib that obama. i think she still is, by far. however, the appointments and such are giving me pause... to say i should have gone with shillary, makes no sense to me. yet.
  • Chris From Maine · 1 year ago
    btw.. would Obama let Falwell (if he was still alive) or Robertson give the invocation?? Or what about that Pastor Manning guy on YouTube?
  • EdNSted · 1 year ago
    Under my father's bus are many wheels. If it were not so, I would tell you....
  • Louis D. · 1 year ago
    I just wrote the campaign a letter (well, it's a start) about this disgusting idea.
  • Chad · 1 year ago
    Why not have McClurkin sing at the inauguration and put the icing on the cake? I would not be the least surprised to see it.
  • CCaitlyn · 1 year ago
    This is so childish. How will Rick Warren giving or not giving the invocation affect your civil rights? I'd hate to have you guys around when something really bad happens. I kinda envy you all. I'm sure millions of Americans would give a lot right now to have the biggest problem in their life be Rick Warren saying a milquetoast 5 minute prayer most people won't even see.
  • Gridlock · 1 year ago
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, toots, but to the gays it's like having a KKK grand wizard up there.

    It's only childish to you because it doesn't affect you, and yet AGAIN, there's the clarion call to "not bother with it" because there are always more important things to worry about.

    Guess what honey, gays lose jobs too. A lot of the time simply for BEING gay.

    God, the ignorance. Astounding.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Those were my initial feelings as well but I was trying to be civilized. Hell, might as well speak the truth. It sucks, bigtime. And Obama ought to be bitch slapped for letting it happen. I am fast losing faith in Obama - in fact, I already have. After 8 years of having the right wing Nazi agenda shoved down our throats Obama comes out and kisses their ass. Oh well. There's always hope I suppose.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    CCat;yn is right. Gridlock, you're so emotional that you're missing the forrest for the trees.. I wonder if you are buying into Rick Warren's judgments about us and that is the reason for your strong emotional reaction. Calling the poster "toots" just confirms her claim of being childish. And equating Warren to the grand wizard is more unnecessary drama for drama's sake.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Its called attention to detail and supporting those who supported you -- and, hold on to your seat -- doing what is RIGHT.

    I'm going with toots.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    How do you know that Obama will not do "what is RIGHT" when he is not in office yet and has not decided anything of real importance? How do you know that he will not support us? Because of a few centrist cabinet picks and a wacko religious bigot doing a prayer? The first thing he has to do is fix this economy or we will not have a country in which to demand equal rights. The sky isn't falling and all the drama doesn't help.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    stop with the false choices. being prayed into office by a real christian (there are lots out there) is not going to keep you from fixing the economy.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    I did not offer that as a choice - false or otherwise. That is but one of many things he has to do. All this "betrayal" talk over a prayer by any christian 'reverend'- real or not - only engenders divisions among us. There is one lady who wanted to work in the Obama admin and pulled her application. We could have had a gay person in whatever position she was aplying for but no more, another is withdrawing from the Dem party and not voting except for local elections ( lost that vote) and many more who will make emotional decisions that will hurt all of us in the end. And why? Because Obama is letting an idiot do a prayer? Let's stop this outrage over "it's the principle that counts" and hold Obama's feet to the fire WHEN he gets in office. I would rather see concrete action on our behalf than see a non-denominational, non-controversial "pastor" doing a prayer that will be forgotten as soon as it is finished. This is a throw away moment that means nothing in the end but has the capacity to divide us and make us do foolish things that we will regret.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    what good will it do to hold his feet to the fire? you have spent hours here trying to insulate his boots.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Like many others on here, I have been reserving judgment until a real issue arises. It seems like Warren's views threaten you to the exclusion of eveything else. And you haven't answered why this is....
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Mark, seriously. If you have to ask why don't bother.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Its a matter of principal. Putting a homophobe front and center at the inauguration to pray, 5 mins or 30 mins, sends the wrong message - something akin to "who cares".

    The left has to wake up and realize that Obama is from Chicago. He's cut from the right. Cheney said a couple of days ago "how pleased" he was at Obama's cabinet. Look at the bright side. At least Obama isn't a lying scum bag like the rePig currently leaving office.
  • clytemnestra · 1 year ago
    I wonder if they will vet his invocation first?
    He is definitely someone I want to watch or listen to. I avoid these guys like the plague on their 20+ cable (cabal) channels... why would I want to subject myself to him for an inaguartion of a guy I helped get elected.

    Maybe I'll have to tune in late. Now I'm hoping that my kids don't see it while at school.
  • woodka · 1 year ago
    I think it will be fun to watch wingnut heads explode, myself.

    Calm down, people!

    http://punditkitchen.com/2008/09/05/political-p...
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Can I get an, "Amen?"
  • Hit Escape · 1 year ago
    If you must do these things, Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy of the Interfaith Alliance is the only person that should have been considered. Gaddy brings people together, Warren divides them.
  • Boycottutah · 1 year ago
    WIth all of Barry's homophobia, one has to wonder if all those rumors about his downlow gay sex on the side have some real merit. Remember, the biggest homohaters are usually gay. My gaydar went off the first time I saw him. And Michelle could be a beard. This is seriously possible. Barry is no more masculine than Tom Cruise, Donny Osmond or Will Smith (another downlow individual).
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    this does not help. really.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Garbage comment from a cynic posing as gay.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    I'm gay and I despise Rick Warren, but thias is not a battle worthy of my time or energy. Warren can say his dumb prayer and as long as he doesn't mention us gays in it, that's fine. But I heard that Joseph Lowery was giving the convocation.
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    from Huff Po:

    Indeed, lost in the hubbub about Warren, is the fact that the man tasked with overseeing the benediction is a icon within progressive politics. Rev. Joe Lowry, a hero of the civil rights movement and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King famously called out President George W. Bush during Coretta Scott King's funeral. He also is a supporter of same-sex marriage. But he is not garnering the same attention as Warren for his inauguration role.

    It's vintage Obama, several observers say -- bringing the spectrum of the religious/political experience together for one event. And yet, it is also a big source of frustration for progressive leaders, many of whom aren't interested in legitimizing viewpoints antithetical to their message.
  • DavidDc · 1 year ago
    Yes, it's of the Donnie McClurkin vintage. Hey, is our Democratic president, and I'm glad he's there rather than McCain.
    But the joke is on this blog, which despite McClurkin thought Obama was the second coming. Was it worth it to repeat a string of false smears during the primary (e.g. the blackface ad)? Was it worth it to paint Democrat after Democrat as racists, to unsure that Obama would win?
    The man is a centrist, not unlike Hillary.
    The joke is on you, AmericaBlog.
  • EdNSted · 1 year ago
  • larry · 1 year ago
    Have to admit, this disappoints me. Why have this blow hard wind bag SOB have ANY role in the inauguration. This is the guy and church who set up McCain so he looked good back during the campaign. And why pander to a group that will NEVER vote Dem or for Obama.
  • dacnova · 1 year ago
    Sadly, I just logged into change.gov and withdrew my application. I was very clear why I've lost interest in working for the new administration.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Bad move
  • dacnova · 1 year ago
    Hardly. I probably had about a 1% chance of getting an interview, anyway. Better to send a message the only way I could.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    maybe 1%. pont is you'll never know.
  • dogeatdogi · 1 year ago
    Feinsteins office is taking complaints here: 415-393-0707.
  • Chad · 1 year ago
    And as usual Feinstein's office will just throw the paper away.
  • Screw Rick Warren but · 1 year ago
    weren't you the same guys who were bitching just a couple of months ago about the McCain campaign's guilt-by-association tactics. If you believed then that sitting in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years or serving on the same board with William Ayers didn't make Obama an America hating terrorist; why now do you believe that Rick Warren saying a prayer at his inauguration makes Barack an anti-abortion, torture loving, Iran-invading homophobe? Fanaticism is just as ugly on the left as it is on the right. All I see here is a lot of heat and not a single ray of light. I thought we were smarter than the Redstate mob.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    no one is saying anything like that. and for the record, imo, there is nothing wrong with what reverend wright said.
  • Screw Rick Warren but · 1 year ago
    Lucky, you obviously haven't read everything else written here. Apparently according to the logic here not only is Barack a homophobe he's not even a progressive; forget the fact that he includes "gay" in every speech he makes where he talks about all Americans "black, white, gay, straight..." or that he's proposing 1 trillion dollars in stimulus spending. Which other candidate - not even president - before now has ever done that. I don't see anyone implying that he's now anti-abortion because of this but somehow he's anti-gay, even a homophobe. If the price that the gay community demands of its allies is that they agree with them 100% of the time and only hang out with people who only agree with them 100% of the time then you're going to be left with precious few allies and absolutely none than can help bridge divides and advance the cause of equality. At the risk of being stoned I'll quote Reagan, "My 90% friend is not my 10% enemy." This you're either with us or you're against us attitude didn't exactly work so well for George Bush, did it? Seems the only problem we have with tyranny is that we don't get to be the tyrant.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    i'm afraid you're not paying attention. warren equated my family to incest with children. what are you having trouble with here? there is no way to accept that at the 10% level.
  • Screw Rick Warren but · 1 year ago
    So when Obama campaigned on bridging the divides that have stopped us from making progress what did you think he was talking about? I understand your hurt but I'm sure being a progressive you're for peace between Israel and Palestine. I'm sure if you were mideast peace negotiator you'd counsel both sides to seek common ground and try to forgive the fact that the guy on the other side of the table was responsible for the death of one of their loved ones. Look, if you and the Religious Right just want to keep screaming at each other and demanding everything or nothing at all then that's your prerogative but we've seen how well that worked even in California. All I'm saying is Barack is playing chess and you guys are playing checkers. He's inching the center farther and farther to the left and leaving only the Limbaugh loons on the right. If he gets the economy and healthcare right by 2012 gay marriage won't be an issue it'd be a centrist no-brainer.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Great post. I agree 100%.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    1. good analogy. now give me an example of US negotiations with arab leaders who insist on the destruction of Israel.

    2. false choice. why not health care without an arch homobigot praying you into office? how are they mutually exclusive?
  • Screw Rick Warren but · 1 year ago
    They're not mutually exclusive. I'm just saying Barack never campaigned on replacing the tyranny of the right with the tyranny of the left. That was Hillary's promise. Barack ran on ending these kinds of fights that create a lot of heat but generate no light. If you were paying attention during the campaign none of this would shock you unless you were hoping he was just lying. What we've been doing obviously hasn't got equal rights for gays so why not give the guy a chance to try something new before you hang him? I find it amazing how we're all for peace and forgiveness in the abstract but when it comes to us to do the forgiving suddenly some wrongs are just too much to forgive. I don't think Rick Warren has done you as much wrong as the whites who imprisoned Mandela for 27 years but he still forgave them and worked together with them. Why don't we all just stop barking at each other and talk to each other for once? It's not like we've got anything to lose.
  • Glitche · 1 year ago
    Finally!!! A comment of good sense!!
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Why do you care so much about what Rick Warren says about your family? I agree that it should not be accepted but you are giving his words and views a lot more power than they actually have. Perhaps you agree with his theology at some level and therefore these comments resonate with you.
  • Tony D · 1 year ago
    What hurts the most is that I really dont know where Obama stands on this issue anymore and I spent a lot of time and money helping to get him elected.

    Good grief.
  • Webster · 1 year ago
    Of course we're expendable. We're always expendable. I was genuinely thinking that finally, after eight years, "equality" would be back on the Presidential desk. Such a slap in the face. You'd think after all this time, I would know that a politician is a politician is a politician. That's it for me.

    What? The bloated old corpse of Falwell couldn't be exhumed along with his words?
  • Redvines · 1 year ago
    To voice your objection, go here:
    http://change.gov/page/s/yourstory
  • janinsanfran · 1 year ago
    With you on this one, and I worked for him too. For months. Forget thinking Obama gives a damn about anyone but his image of himself as some kind of post-partisan gift from God to the American people.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Amen.
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    Let me preface by saying that I still have a lot of hope and confidence that Obama will be the best president in my lifetime and I am forever glad he won the election. Now, having said that....I'm so fucking let down by this. What an absolute slap in the face. It's obviously intentional and meant to send a message to all GLBT people. I suppose it's good that we see Obama's true colors and what he thinks of us early on. I thought he might be different than most democrats but it's now glaringly obvious that is not the case.

    Shame on Obama and shame on anyone that tries making excuses for him.
  • HelenaMontana · 1 year ago
    Well--it's been apparent for quite a while now that the Democratic establishment in general and the Obama team in particular have no interest in progressive opinions. Doesn't mean Obama won't be a much better president than Bush--he may well be a great president. But he's no lefty and he's not interested in what the left thinks.

    In my admittedly somewhat limited dealings with the Obama people, I have not been struck by their egalitarian spirit.
  • DavidinPS · 1 year ago
    Religion poisons everything.

    Yet another example.

    Could have been such a lovely inauguration.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    except this is not about religion. there would be the same reaction if the guy was an atheist.
  • DavidinPS · 1 year ago
    Huh? What do you suppose Mr. Warren would say is the root of his belief about gay people?
    And why is there even areligious invocation AT ALL?
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    sorry but i don't care what is the root of his bigotry. and i don't care about the context of his hate message. he could warm up the crowd with jew and queer jokes and it would still be not-ok. he doesn't belong in the ceremony in any capacity.
  • scioto · 1 year ago
    Boycott the event Joe and how many people are going to notice or care?

    However turn this into the biggest Prop 8 event and lots of people will probably notice. As I've posted on DKos, it might be a good idea to start a campaign to have people turn their backs when Warren speaks. Maybe hold signs too. The inauguration is going to have the world's attention, if we can get progressives to work together we could make a point about Warren and Prop H8 at the same time.
  • Ohio_Dem · 1 year ago
    I like how you think!
  • aliasalias · 1 year ago
    YES! I like that idea, maybe code pink could get that organized..they are there now, today I got an email about their 'shoe throwing' and it would be great to get the world's attention regarding Prop. Hate
  • danconnors · 1 year ago
    I think you have the best solution here; make a statement at the inauguration so loud it drowns out the pablum Warren will recite. Instead of just prop 8 though, maybe a protest for LGBT bill of rights (DOMA, DADT, Shepard, ENDA). A number of commenters on huffpo and dkos state that Warren's invocation is only symbolic, but I tend to think that symbols matter, so we should have our own statement if we aren't on the dais.
  • Alison · 1 year ago
    Of course he doesn't care about any of us on the left. He
    won't care about our support until he is up for re-election.
  • Nick_the_Dog · 1 year ago
    Just a thought......I entered the comments while it read "77". Everyone seems to forget that we all chose to vote (OR NOT!) for the PE. We trusted him then and have no choice now!
    He promised us "change" and now we have only to "hold his feet to the fire". The media will be relentless! The Righties will be horrid! We just need to be a steady voice for change.
  • MNPundit · 1 year ago
    A couple of points.

    1) Rick Warren is Obama's friend. It's not a totally political stunt.

    2) Gays went stronger for McCain this year, but about 10 points compared to Bush/Kerry. I believe they were the only group with a statistically significant drop in support for Obama compared to Kerry.
  • coolcatdaddy · 1 year ago
    I've just sent a message to change.gov with my thoughts about the Warren mess and about how the Democratic Party, more generally, gives LGBTs the short stick.

    I plan on Inauguration Day to change my registration from Democratic to Independent and plan to only vote in local elections until the Democrats do more than just give lip-service to LGBTs.

    I can't participate in a process that doesn't represent me at all.
  • Laurie · 1 year ago
    Try Reading "Purpose Driven Life", I'm a Christain, believer
    and I'm sorry but I don't agree with any of you. By the Way
    I didn't vote for Obama, but this is probaly the best decision
    the man has made. Person I could care if someone is gay.
    Not my lifestyle, but then Again, I'm not the one to judge anyone,
    and you all aren't either. Any of you understand what it means to be a Christain and Born Again. Purpose driven Life got me close to God and Understanding what I am here for. It's time to stop being so self centered, and more tolerant of others views.
    Obama on the news, made a good point about agreeing to disagree. We aren't all go to see things the same way. But hey, that's okay. More then every we need to Trust in God. United We Must Stand, Or United We will Fall. It's Not about Your or Me, you see it's About Our Maker and Using Our Gift's To Help Others.
    It's time to Wake Up America, and Smell.. God, Remember Him,
    the One whose not a Clod, with the Heavenly Bod. Our Maker
    Whose not a Taker. Our Boss, the One Who Loss His Only Son at the Cross. Am I gettng my points across.?
  • Don Coyote · 1 year ago
    This isn't something that Obama should be entirely blamed for. Look at the program, after all at "http://inaugural.senate.gov/media/releases/release-12172008-inauguralwebsite.cfm". According to the program, "The program participants were invited by the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies and chosen by the Chairman, the Presidential-elect and the Vice President-elect. In addition to Senator Feinstein, the members of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies include: Senator Bob Bennett, Ranking Member of the Senate Rules Committee; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid; Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi; House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer; and House Republican Leader John Boehner." Thus, while Obama is culpable for not objecting to the choice of Rick Warren, he's not alone in his guilt: the whole Democratic leadership is, too!
  • Bush Bites · 1 year ago
    Obama has some blind spots.

    Gay bashers appears to be one of them.

    You have to put pressure on him.
  • postdamnit · 1 year ago
    Of course they don't care/ The heterosexuals only care about us when it is to their benefit. We fall for their BS every time and then cry because we have become victims, again.

    Non of these politicians give a damn about faggots unless they can use them. And they do! I expect nothing from these people so I am not generally disappointed. And that includes this Obama guy.
  • elRey · 1 year ago
    even though Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights icon and supporter of same-sex marriage, is giving the benediction at the end of the event, this is sickening!!!. Just like ALL politicians it comes down to a numbers game... he's throwing them a bone to please the masses.
    I want a president WHO WILL DO THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT AND FAIR!!!! THIS IS NOT CHANGE I BELIVE IN!!!!
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    this smells like one of those false "balance" ploys. it's BS. any "balance" that respects bigotry as a viable option is BS. there is no symmetry. Rick Warren is not threatened by the people he is threatening. he has nothing to fear. we do.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Why do you think we should fear Rick Warren?
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    get lost.
  • Ohio_Dem · 1 year ago
    When Obama allowed Donnie McClurkin to bash gays unopposed in south carolina, my posts were deleted and i was banned from posting here (and called a PUMA which I am not) because NO ONE wanted to hear about it. But as a straight woman who served as a glbt youth leader in south carolina, i HAD to speak out. (I am a ohio autoworker retiree.)

    I wrote to Obama's campaign and I was told, Obama is "fair" so he allows everyone to speak, even if he disagrees with their point of view. I was told that whether i liked it or not, many people in south carolina harbored anti-gay religious views and that Obama had to "respect" their point of view and be "tolerant". and I said fuck that. a lot of people in south carolina are also racist so i asked if Obama was going to have someone up on that stage representing the Klan as an act of "tolerance". Of course THAT was offensive but inviting homophobes to speak isn't?

    I posted the same thing here. my posts were deleted and I was banned. No one was allowed to post anything, even facts, that cast a negative light on Obama. The whole s.c. disgrace was swept under the rug and dismissed as unimportant, but to those of us in s.c. it was HUGE.

    after some time passed, and Obama spoke out about churches being anti-gay, I believed (hoped) that Obama really was the real deal and the hope for change we had all been waiting for. my entire family ended up working hard for Obama's campaign. To read this tonight makes me feel sick. I am so disappointed. If Obama can't support the LGBT community after all they've done to help him get elected, then he isn't the man that I thought him to be.

    If Obama or his campaign committee is so keen on allowing ALL points of view to be represented at the inauguration, and they don't understand or care why the LGBT community and their allies are upset, then they should think about how they would feel having a representative with a racist point of view on that stage. trot out the Klan at his inauguration and let them be a part of celebration.

    One minority is no more important than any other. EVERYONE is equal whether Obama wants to admit it or not. I am SICK of religion running this country. EVERYONE should have equal rights. You don't pick and choose which minority is more deserving based on religion. We had that with Bush. I WANT CHANGE.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    well written and nice to have you back. speaking for me only.
  • coolcatdaddy · 1 year ago
    Do what I'm doing - change your registration on Inauguration Day to Independent and send a message to change.gov to let them know you're doing it.

    You can change it back at a later time if you think the Democrats are really making change.
  • dykester · 1 year ago
    Geat idea!!
  • usagi · 1 year ago
    No, he's not the man you thought (or hoped) he was. He's a craven politician who won high office by effectively using the communication tools of the 21st century. He's about to discover what happens when those tools are turned on him.

    There's been a lot of electronic ink spilled about how he'd better not be too accommodating of the right or it's straight back to the "Clinton Rules" as Digby calls them. Don't imagine for a moment other parts of the fracturous "coalition" that put him in office will be any different.

    For me, any prospect of support in the future is now dead (and no, I didn't vote for him or McCain). I honestly don't care at this point if he goes to the mat against DADT or not. If he does, it's pure selfishness because he needs the bodies in the boots to do whatever he's planning to do in the Middle East, not because DADT is bad policy and morally reprehensible.

    I wish I could say I was disappointed, but I thought he was a hack all along. Sometimes, being correct sucks.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    "sometimes being correct sucks". Who said you were correct? and if you didn't vote for anyone, what are you doing here?
  • usagi · 1 year ago
    So far, the evidence points to "hack." Feel free to disagree, but that's how I'm reading it, and after this personal slap in the face, I see no reason to cut him any slack. If it's an error, it's a stupid one--if it's deliberate, it's unforgivable.

    Who said I didn't vote? There were several other choices on the ballot.
  • jprovince · 1 year ago
    Don't thank Obama for this one. He has no control over who is invited to do the Invocation. Evidently it's time to thank the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies for extending the invitation. I'd like to see a list of those idiots so I can send the letters of "appreciation" to the appropriate place.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    hope you're right about obama. but he has only a short window of time to confirm what you've said.
  • boloboffin · 1 year ago
    Get real. If Warren wasn't acceptable to Obama, that committee would never have chosen him. Why is Lieberman still in his chairmanship? Obama. Why is Warren in the praying seat? Obama.

    Don't delude yourself. He knew this was coming down, and dang our girlie, sweetie hides if Obama cares one whit about what we would think.
  • boloboffin · 1 year ago
    Look, I didn't expect Jeremiah Wright to get the nod, but COME ON.

    Oh, I can hardly wait to hear this invocation: "Dear Lord, we ask your blessing today over the unborn children being slaughtered in abortion dens all over America, that this President will have the power to give life to. Dear Lord, we ask your blessing on the holy ritual of marriage that this President will have the power to protect. And Dear Lord, we ask that our nation's weapons seek out the lives of those leaders around the world who have the Satanic audacity to withstand the will of this Christian nation, America. In the name of Jesus, the only God in America, Amen."

    This is looking less like non-partisanship and just the same old "shoot ourselves in the foot" Democratic position we've all come to despise over the years.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    I'm just going to have to go look up some of the homophobic things Donny McClurkin said as MC of Obama's Gospel Tour. Can't remember what he said off hand. I just remember he used the occasion to bash gays, even in the midst of the controversy over Barack inviting him. So if Warren goes off as you predict, it won't be something unprecedented.
  • Alison · 1 year ago
    How much money did followers of Rick Warren give to Obama?
    How many people that follow Rick Warren voted for Obama?
    I've been disgusted with Obama since the LIEberman fiasco. Then Salazar, now Rick Warren.
    It's beyond me how these spineless DLC type of Democrats interpreted the last two elections to mean that America is not progressive. Every poll and the last two elections show that America is more left than right. I guess he's hoping that we will forget how the left is being dissed when he needs help being re-elected. I won't forget.
    Also, how come they can't find a job for Howard Dean? God forbid that they may hire someone who the "blogoshpere" likes.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    This reminds me so much of election night here in California. I was so excited and hopeful, and then exhilarated when Obama won. And then came the crushing news about Prop 8. And now I see that Obama's inauguration will be marred too, as I will be listening to the invocation of an arch-homophobe. But at least Obama came out against Prop 8. Warren appears to be his choice. Please, Barack. Say that you had nothing to do with it. And above all, replace him!!!
  • Jon · 1 year ago
    Who do we complain to about this? I tried the Inaugural committee website but there's no way to respond. Not only is this choice unconscionable, but Obama's own denomination, the UCC (United Chruch of Christ), has been a leader to supporting gay rights. Why didn't he choose their national leader to give the invocation????
  • TampaZeke · 1 year ago
    That would be John Thomas (UCC President) and he would have been the PERFECT choice to give the invocation.
  • Yankton · 1 year ago
    You know, this event is NOT about YOU.

    When you're inaugurated, you can invited whomever you like.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    nomination for most incisive comment.
  • tigergrrldc · 1 year ago
    Hmmm, really? I bet when he runs for re-election and wants our time and money, it will be about us. You betcha!
  • OJ · 1 year ago
    Look, I'm no homophobe. I think gays should have the right to marry. My wife and I plan to ask a gay couple to be our children's god-parents, once we have kids. But look what Barry's doing: He's bringing everyone in. Just because he invites someone to speak doesn't mean you need to agree with that speaker's views, or even politics. Do you honestly think that Warren is going to spit out a bunch of inflammatory, anti-gay blabber? Of course not. So don't be pissed, realize that it's ok for the guy speaking at the podium to share a different view from your own. Starting January 20th, let's get rid of the sharp and confrontational discourse that we've had for decades. Let's learn to disagree, but not tell each other how to live.
  • aliasalias · 1 year ago
    Does this mean the KKK should have a place there as well? after all Rick Warren and the KKK share many of the same views/hates.
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    OJ is right.
  • coolcatdaddy · 1 year ago
    I don't think so.

    There's been a tradition at the Inagural that the invocations are done by someone that's not a political figure - many were done by Billy Graham, who kept his distance from politics.

    I'm sorry - Warren's spewing much of the same misinformation and junk that you hear and heard from Dobson, Jerry Fallwell and others. This was not a politically neutral choice.

    Being insulted isn't the "change" I signed up for.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Would you support Obama inviting someone who was openly racist? Someone who supports the KKK, for example? Would you support Obama inviting someone who has stated that black people should not have equal rights? Would you say that in doing so Obama was just being inclusive? Or suppose the preacher he invited was well known for his view that the Jews are going to hell and must not be allowed to marry or adopt children. Would you say that it was ok for that person to give the invocation so long as he didn't mention his well known beliefs about the Jews? Would you say to any Jews who were offended that they should abandon their sharp and confrontational discourse? Do you think minorities should just shut up in the face of outrageous affronts? Is that what you want to see starting January 20th?
  • BobN · 1 year ago
    It's not even THINKING anything like that, it's thinking it AND getting it into the law.
  • BobN · 1 year ago
    If he's "bringing everyone in", where is the gay leader who works to evangelicals stripped of their civil rights?
  • BobN · 1 year ago
    .... who works to strip evangelicals...

    I'm so pissed, I can't even type.
  • mikeyDe · 1 year ago
    Think of this slight like the first scratch you get on your brand new car. Now you don't have to wonder when your candidate will let you down and can concentrate on the issues. For me, the first scratch came during the first debate with John McCain when Obama reiterated his position against marriage equality. While I still supported him, I was too angry to watch the rest of the debates and now he's just another politician you have to press on the issues.

    My big worry is over health care. I'm afraid he will cave to the insurance companies and mandate health insurance. All the experts say that now is not the time for massive change in the health care system. With recession and high unemployment, many people will lose insurance or have to pay higher rates -- as far as I can tell, now is precisely the time to make a dramatic change toward a national health care system.
  • heathwood · 1 year ago
    I have to agree. Rick Warren is an ass, especially when taken in the true context of Biblical literature. He is one of those 'make it up as you go' Christians, you know its all good if you believe in Jesus. His thoughts on homosexuals is vile along with everything else.
  • boogieman7167 · 1 year ago
    looks like obama lie,d again i saw this comming looks like you should have listened to the pumas
    were still fighting for your rights berry just tosed one more group under the bus go pumas
  • AllesK · 1 year ago
    My letter to http://change.gov/page/content/contact/

    Mr. President-Elect:

    I'm writing to encourage the removal of Rick Warren from your inauguration-day ceremony. Mr. Warren is an outspoken advocate against gay rights, has used your name to back his anti-gay positions, and is a huge insult to the large LGBT & LGBT-friendly volunteers who worked so hard to get you elected.

    I wasn't your biggest donor, I wasn't a great volunteer. I did believe in your message from the beginning. I wrote you in on my Green-party ballot during the primaries in California.

    Mr. Warren is from a faction of Americans that would impose segregation and unequal status on other Americans. Is that the way to create one America?

    Mr. Warren is from a faction of Americans that equate homosexuality to incest and pederasty. Is hate a family value?

    Please Mr. Obama, do not let that man speak the invocation on the day you take office. Hate is not the change for which I voted.

    Sincerely & with deepest respect,
    Andrea
  • drpirritano (Los Angeles) · 1 year ago
    Thank you Andrea. Wonderful letter and I hope others here will follow your example.
  • AllesK · 1 year ago
    Thanks!! I feel if we tell Barack how we feel instead of sniping at each other in the blogosphere, we can be the change we want to see!
    =^..^=
    ...and you're right! Don't feed the trolls!
  • ehhhh · 1 year ago
    And this is a surprise how?
  • JonnyWillow · 1 year ago
    Warren is not a homophobe. Visit any Islamic/Sharia law society and you'll find the true meaning of homophobia.
    Proposition 8 was fair and it was right. Proposition 8 was about protecting the rights of married heterosexuals; the gay mafia wants to destroy those rights and demolish the dignity of traditional marriage.
    If you worked hard to get Obama elected, then this is exactly what you deserve for voting for such an incompetent phony. I fully expect that BO will be a far worse President than G. W. Bush.
  • Bruce · 1 year ago
    Warren is a homophobe and so are you. Shame on you for your hateful bigotry.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    You have to really disrespect gay people to believe that by merely embracing the institution of marriage they demolish its dignity. You also have to be intensely insecure.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    We don't live in a society that is based on Sharia law. WTF?
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Learn to think for yourself instead of allowing your 'preacher' to think for you. If you did, you would know that heterosexuals are destroying marriages and families by divorce. If you were honest and consistent, you would ban divorce instead. Your post reveals your racism as well as your homophobia not to mention your simplistic, impressionable mind...
  • Bruce · 1 year ago
    I agree with this post. I'm outraged too. It's a slap in the face to gays and civil rights advocates. He could have picked another minister instead of throwing gays under the bus. If this is a signal of what's to come, he's lost the LGBT community. I was looking forward to Inaugural Day. Now I'll skip it. I refuse to give credence to Warren when he has done so much to deny who I am. Thanks a lot Obama.
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  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Question for those haters that are calling Rick Warren a homophobe and equating gay with black or Jewish or similar.

    Would you discriminate against pedophiles if they want to marry small children?

    I welcome your answer.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    you're an idiot.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Does that mean you would or wouldn't discriminate against pedophile's right to marry small children?
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    invalid comparison that makes you an idiot for even bringing it up
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    On what objective basis can you discriminate against pedophiles when it comes to the right to marry?
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    every state has a legal marrying age in addition to other criteria.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Isn't that discrimination?
  • drpirritano (Los Angeles) · 1 year ago
    I vote that everyone please ignore Aaron here as he is a waste of time, energy, and by every indication...a waste of anything requiring thought as he can not comprehend anything outside his very small mind.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Ah, democracy in action.

    Bravo drpirritano.

    Still not willing to answer my question eh?
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    I don't believe you are going to make me do this.

    Those age limits are in place because children, in general, are considered not developed enough to make adult decisions about marriage, life, love, etc.

    Once a person reaches the age of majority, which may be different in each state, one is considered able to make such decisions for themselves. Thus. the decison to marry ANYBODY below a set age is based on other objective considerations of development - not subjective judgments such as sexual orientation, color, etc.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Good. That's a little more constructive than some of your other comments. So you would advocate discrimination against pedophiles because of the consensus belief that children aren't "...developed enough to make adult decision about marriage..." Have I understood you?
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    My last comment. I would advocate legal action toward any person who forces any other person into any activity, sexual or otherwise, that they choose to not be involved in. In addition, if found guilty, I would advocate more severe penalties for any forced sexual activity upon children and any repeat offenders. I believe that is fairly standard. I have no freaking idea what this has to do with marriage and will not respond to any further post about it because this is going nowhere.
  • dykester · 1 year ago
    It's pretty clear that states do NOT discriminate against pedophiles when it comes to the right to marry. No state requests information about unlawful sexual practices and child abuse in marriage license applications. Pedophiles have married for years and continue to do so today. Just ask adult survivors of married pedophiles. Did you know that most pedophiles are straight white men? Perhaps you match that profile, which might explain your insistence on clarifying the marriage rights of these criminals. We don't even deny them their right to marry children if their religion or state permits it.

    Now, let's turn to your position: that it's okay to deny law-abiding American citizens the right to marry the person of their choice simply because they're queer. Is your belief rooted in basic, home-grown bigotry or are you afraid that you're queer, too? Go see the new film on Harvey Milk -- MILK -- and maybe you'll find the courage to come out, come out, where ever you are!
  • TampaZeke · 1 year ago
    You ARE an idiot if you can't see the difference between two CONSENTING ADULTS making a commitment to each other through a civil contract and an adult preying on a child who is not an adult and therefore is unable to consent to sex, a relationship or a contract as an adult.

    For you to compare the two makes YOU seem to be MUCH more of a "hater" than anyone here "attacking" Rick Warren. Or perhaps you are just a genuinely ignorant asshole.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    Thank you for your reply TampaZeke.

    So on what objective basis do you discriminate against the pedophile?
  • drpirritano (Los Angeles) · 1 year ago
    Being that you apparently somehow confuse the idea of gay rights with anything involving children demonstrates the level of your incompetence and I will not justify your ignorance with any further response.
  • Aaron · 1 year ago
    I don't confuse same gender attraction with attraction toward children.

    You apparently didn't understand my question.

    I simply asked whether you would discriminate against pedophiles if they want to marry small children.

    It's a fairly straightforward question that can be answered with a yes or a no.
  • coolcatdaddy · 1 year ago
    Last time I checked, children or anyone that isn't of legal age can't enter into legal contracts.

    Shall we talk about predatory priests in the Catholic church? Farms of young girls all married to extremist Mormons? Underage young Baptist girls knocked up in the South? Hmmm?
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Why is everybody answering this guy when the question makes no sense because it's coming from a child.
    Little Aaron, children are not legally allowed to marry anyone... now go to bed and pray that Rick Warren doesn't turn out to be gay like your other evangelical leaders...
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    Six weeks can change a lot, can't it? Then rewind six months and the recall the names called HRC for not saying the word "gay". I'm just sayin'

    Consider Warren an Obama tip of the hat to those CA Prop 8 supporters, especially those of color. They said he supported it and it seems they were right. What do they know that we don't?
  • gymnjim · 1 year ago
    Democratic Political Calculus 101

    LGBT are good for money and support during the primary. After that we are baggage. Even our votes in the general election probably don't mean much. We in large part live in states that will go Blue anyhow. A Democrat who needs the GLBT vote to win the General is going to lose.

    Obama threw the gays under the bus at the begining of his campaign. I was always surprised by the ferocity of the glbt supporters of Obama and their lack of knowledge about his lack of support for them. I assumed that they just wanted to be on the band wagon and were ok with being ask to sit quietly at the back.

    I am more than a bit surprised by the degree of betrayal some are feeling. Obama's expressed views on gay marriage are identical to Warren's.

    If you think he is going to allow a bunch of queers the same rights as him and Michelle.... try again.

    So what do we get from the Dems in exchange for our money and time. We don't get compared with beastiality. Which ain't equal rights but it ain't nothing either.
  • drpirritano (Los Angeles) · 1 year ago
    I live in California and the passing of Prop 8 was disheartening at best. I was more emotionally invested in the issue than I knew. To see one of the most progressive states in the nation single out a single minority to eliminate a civil right...due in no small part by the misuse of religion to attack homosexuality by people such as Pastor Warren, made me question just how the people of this state could be so blinded by the misuse of God's words by these religious bigots. And if it can happen in California, it could happen anywhere. This is the very sort of issue I EXPECTED Barak Obama to stand agasint. This is part of the HOPE and faith I've had in his campaign becuase of the man I believed him to be. By selecting Pastor Warren to speak at the innaguration is his stamp of approval to Warren's ways. It's a kick in the head after having been punched in the stomach. One thing is clear to me know; however, I do not in fact know Barak Obama to be the man I voted for for president.
  • Run Amok · 1 year ago
    Hello,

    Please elaborate on this:

    "due in no small part by the misuse of religion to attack homosexuality by people such as Pastor Warren, made me question just how the people of this state could be so blinded by the misuse of God's words by these religious bigots"

    How is God's words being misused?

    Thank you.
  • dykester · 1 year ago
    "Love one another as I have loved you."

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

    Bigotry is bigotry. Warren worked to deny basic civl rights to a group of people who have been subject to bigotry through the millenia. Christ came and taught that we should love one another as he loved us. He NEVER spoke against queers. Warren twists the word of God to foster hatred. he is anti-queer, anti-woman, anti-choice. His selection is a slap in the face.
  • L. Lazar · 1 year ago
    seriously - WTF - i'm not old, gay, or libral -but WTF!!! -Warren????
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    Yeah, Warren. Something tells me we shouldn't be surprised to find a Blagojevich in the closet, too.
  • Jeff Carlson · 1 year ago
    So what Im hearing is "I think the world would be a better place without the people who think the would would be a better place without me." This is the song that never ends....
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    whoever said that must be lurking inside your own cranium. get a shrink.
  • Steve Logan · 1 year ago
    Bravo! Well-done, Obama. Ignore the huffing and puffing. You did the right thing! It's too bad all these naysayers are busting veins on their collective foreheads! I say chill out and pop a pill!
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    refreshing to hear from an openly bigoted bigot for a change.
  • jon · 1 year ago
    This is a big slap in the face and huge letdown for ALL fairminded people everywhere. Overall, I'd been impressed with Barack's cabinet's choices and daily progress as "President-Elect" - UNTIL NOW - UNTIL THIS. Once again, the Gay community is being minimized and shown "the back of the bus" by Obama's choice of Rick Warren.

    I strongly encourage our President-Elect to consider this speech given by Coretta Scott King in November 2003 at the opening session of the 13th annual Creating Change Conference, organized by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. (King made her now famous appeal linking the Civil Rights Movement to the LGBT community): "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. ... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."

    Shame on Obama. Right this "wrong" now.
  • akenji morcho · 1 year ago
    the only injustice is the gay people's continuous attempt to force the views on others. let me remind the gay population that they only make up 2 % of the population and majority of Americans voted against prop 8 . so propotionally, they are fairly represented already at the inauguration. Their loud opposition to this pick is frankly started to make them arrogant and annoying and should not be surprised by the growing resistance they are seeing. If you are gay good for you but don't try to force me to side with your views, i simply never will. I was conceived by a man and a woman , and thats all the answer I need.
  • dykester · 1 year ago
    The injustice is the denial of our basic civil right to marry the person of our choice in our churches. Gay marriages were historially recognized, even by the Catholic church, but reactionary leadership took away those rites. Writing them into the law today simply denies us a right that is accorded to every other person. That makes us second class citizens. Marriage between the races was considered taboo by more than 90% oif the population, yet the Supreme Court held that the right to marry could NOT denied to people sijply because they were of different races. The same religious arguments were raised against marriage betweeen people of different races as are being raised today against same sex marriage. We queers are people, entitled to be treated like all other people. State recognition of marriage is a basic human right and as humans we are entitled to it. Our Constitution prohibits the tyranny of the majoiryt against the minority when it comes to recognition of basic civil rights. You majority member s may not like us minotiry memb ers, but you do not get to deny us basic civl rights simply because you do not like us and do not want to recognize our rights as people. As citizens. As taxpayers. As families. As married couples. As for arrogant and annoying, your bigotry ranks quite high.
    PS - we actually make up a MUCH larger percentage of the population, but bigotry like yours is so widespread that few of us come out. It's just not safe around haters.
  • desertguy · 1 year ago
    Joe and John are being completely disingenuous in their current angst over the Obama choice of Rick Warren to give the invocation at the inaugural. There were numerous instances during the primary campaign (reported on fully in this very blog, ironically) of Obama embracing the religious right to woo various racial minorities and soft Republicans. While John was busy calling Hillary Clinton a "monster", he should have been paying more attention to the true intentions of Barrack Obama vis-a-vis GLBT Americans. For him to now to claim shock and horror that Obama is still playing ball with the same tired religious nutcases that he always has been, rings very hollow. There are very few things in American politics of which I'm certain, but one of them is that, had she been President-elect, Hillary Clinton would NOT have had any such divisive figure as part of her inaugural.
  • Ryan · 1 year ago
    Obama would have still won the election for all of you omg im going to pull my vote. Obama NEVER said he was going to give gays and lesbians more rights! Good for him he is sticking to his ground!! I think the reverend was a great choice its to bad there arent more authoritarian socialists out there looking out for the key issues impacting America. We have a lot more importing things to worry about then gay rights!
  • Mark · 1 year ago
  • sigh · 1 year ago
    "That's not the kind of change I expected, and it's not change I can believe in."

    Then you were fooled; or as has been said, are disingenuous. It is not a surprise, *but* it's also not acceptable.

    We must hold his feet to the fire and counterbalance all the pressure he has to go rightward with pressure of our own. FDR understood that to effect change, pressure from the ground needed to be exerted to give cover for any such moves. Beyond rhetoric, Obama is not of a change mindset, he's firmly establishment, but he can be effected by events and by people effectively voicing their needs. He is at least not the out-and-out enemy that we've had to deal with for so long and can be made to move if enough people demand it. He has a relatively good record in Chicago and there is an openness, but again, there are many forces at his ear acting against the interests of gays as well as that of the majority of citizens.
  • Katie · 1 year ago
    I totally agree with you and am so pissed at this divisive and ugly choice that I have to rethink my plan to watch the whole thing on Jan 20-so glad now that I am not going to be there because this would have been a deal breaker for me and would have cancelled. I for one am sick of the hatemongers and slick money grabbing preachers. Warren stands for nothing but hate and power. he is no better than the cheating televangalists on tv. Oh I am mad and am not even gay-can only imagine the feeling in the community -this is really too much . Is this the change we fought for and hoped for??I am really getting a bad feeling about all of this kabuki theatre now - Why waste a huge mandate on this man and why the hell are the retreads back??Yeah I know because they have experience. Save us from the likes of the chair of the inaguration Feinstein.Her hand is all over this one.
  • shell · 1 year ago
    It stuns me that the DC crowd STILL doesn't GET it. (And I am sad to include Obama in this -- I'd hoped he had been there a short enough time to not be tarnished by them.)

    But this is the same old-same old. After 2006, they were surprised at the Dem sweep, but not convinced the netroots power was real. There is no excuse now. Yes, I see that the GOP has a clue, but know the DC Dem politicians -- how wimpy they are. And stupid, too. Doesn't Rachel and Keith having prime-time viewers give them a clue? Doesn't the ratings of right-wing TV hosts (including Fox) and the dwindling newspaper sales give them a clue?

    I guess they assume that, even if the netroots isn't going away, they have plenty of time to get on board, if need be. I say DON'T FORGET. All too often, the netroots forgive and forget. If a Dem does something bad, we get all mad, but then all is forgiven when they do one thing right. Remember. Even if Obama does something we like, remember all the bad he has done and put it in perspective. I am not saying throw him under the bus now, but just don't forget.

    Look at LIEberman -- we never forgot 2006 (and afterwards), even though the Senate did. Face it -- the pols won't be scared until they are thrown out of office AND are not able to join some high-dollar "think tank." Just look at yourself -- what would get to you? Losing your plum job? Not being able to make beaucoup bucks in DC? In other words, THINK -- if you were in that situation, what would make you change?
  • The Rev G Koch-Swahne · 1 year ago
    This is an unbelievable pick.

    And something which could have been expected of the outgoing President, not the incoming.

    Boodes bad for this Administration.
  • Ryan · 1 year ago
    I don't know what made any of you think Obama was some exclusively super liberal guy, but he never, EVER, tried to paint himself as one.

    Obama's main message throughout his campaign was that he was tired of all the divisiveness in American politics and was interested in bringing us together.

    "We are not a collection of red states and blue states, we are the UNITED States of America!"

    I am not surprised in this pick at all.

    Let me also remind everyone that, for the first time ever, an all gay and lesbian marching band will be marching in the inaugural parade.
  • Justin · 1 year ago
    Why is it that everyone complains about lack of social equality yet works so hard to ensure their differences are on full display?

    I hate to burst your bubble but, by nature and natural evolution, homosexual behavior isn't the norm hence human reproduction doesn't occur and those who practice and continue to promote and justify this behavior are destined to remain a minority.

    We are all Americans; period; end of story.

    I have friends who happen to be gay and happen to coexist very happily in everyday life. Their lifestyle is privately theirs not a "cause".

    If you happen to be gay, god bless you; I have the utmost respect for you; just don't attempt to justify or force acceptance of a lifestyle which is emotionally and biologically contrary to the laws of nature.
  • Marcelo · 1 year ago
    Obama always said it is pro family. We cannot think 2 guys or 2 girls with a dog is a family. It is just disturbing thinking that that is a family. This is nature work trying to thin the herd which eventually will make this planet barren.
  • BR_Parkway · 1 year ago
    Dear PE Obama,

    I have a suggestion for a replacement for Warren that would go even further in your desire to make this "the most open, accessible, and inclusive Inauguration in American history."

    Dr. Thomas Robb. Another pastor who I don't personally agree with, but certainly one who gives you the opportunity to put more people on stage with you that represent a wider America.

    If you go to his website, there are plenty of quotes about his charismatic speaking and his ability to recruit people to his mission is a testament to his skill as someone like yourself - a community organizer. And after reading through his information, I think you may very well be convinced in the validity of his Biblical arguments - in fact, he claims that his message is about love, not hate - and we all know we need more love in this world.

    To quote from your press release:

    * As he's said again and again, the President-elect is committed to bringing together all sides of the faith discussion in search of common ground. That's the only way we'll be able to unite this country with the resolve and common purpose necessary to solve the challenges we face.

    * The Inauguration will also involve Reverend Joseph Lowery, who will be delivering the official benediction at the Inauguration. Reverend Lowery is a giant of the civil rights movement who boasts a proudly progressive record on LGBT issues. He has been a leader in the struggle for civil rights for all Americans, gay or straight.


    Since you have also invited Dr Lowery, Dr. Robb will be a perfect counterbalance from his stances on the civil rights movement - and how better to show how inclusive you are being by putting these two together on such an historic, national platform.

    Now I'm certain you'll disagree with Dr. Robb on some of the issues, just as you state that you do with Rev Warren. But the important point here is that many would claim that Dr. Robb, just like Rev Warren, has also been an activist "on behalf of the disadvantaged and the downtrodden" for well over 30 years.

    And like you, he has a lifelong "commitment to renewing America's promise by expanding opportunity at home and restoring our moral leadership abroad.". Obviously, you two have a lot of common ground to begin a dialogue from, it's just the type of thing that's needed to unite all of us.

    There's even an added bonus for the TV viewership that will visually hammer home your message of setting a place for everyone at your table, no matter how great the contrast - in case they aren't familiar with Dr. Robb.

    Chief Justice Roberts will be there in his traditional black robe. Simply request that Dr. Robb wear his traditional white one.
  • Letalis Maximus, Esq. · 1 year ago
    "But someone on the Obama team missed the intense anger that erupted after Prop 8 won and we lost rights (or maybe they didn't care)."

    Your parenthetical is correct. During the primary and general election campaigns, the Obama team made it pretty clear that they didn't give a shit about women, and they didn't give a shit about gays.

    Now that they won you seriously expect that to change?
  • jake2 · 1 year ago
    The hatred is all coming from the GLBT community here. Leave the definition of marriage alone and come up with a name for unions that give you the same rights as a Husband/WIfe. Then move on a quit hating people.
  • Tom · 1 year ago
    Joe, wake up and smell the sour milk. Slick Barry simply played you and and the GLBT community (and many other communities) like a cello. He is, always has been, and always will be nothing more than a cold, calculating machine politician. Of course he's better than Bush! Paris Hilton would be better than Bush. Politics is not about sitting in a chic wireless cafe and pontificating about the power of netroots, bandwidth, framing, and all the other illusory artifacts of "virtual" communities and their "virtual" power. It's about calculation and horse-trading -- Blagojevich just put it in cruder words than most of them. Next time you see a politican smile, look into their eyes. The eyes never smile, but they always are searching the room for someone more important than you.

    Your real problem now is: who you gonna turn to? You and this blog so trashed Hillary and her supporters (I was one of them) that you have a long way to go.
  • Mike · 1 year ago
    Whoa...amazing how intolerant America has become. When the republicans were in, being American meant you believed in the war and the necessity of patriot act. Here we have the liberal left deciding on what religious views are appropriate despite the fact that this pastor is the author of one of the best selling books of all times. The GLBT community needs to get a clue and understand that we all do not subscribe to your definition of marriage and it is OK for ALL of us to share the table at inauguration day.
  • Jennifer · 1 year ago
    Apparently, you're only allowed free choice when certain people like it.

    Fair weather supporters want what they want and will bitch and moan when they don't get exactly what they want.

    So much for 'inclusion' and 'diversity' and 'open discussion' spouted by the liberal far left.

    Being against Gay Marriage, or believing that it is forbidden by the Bible does not make him a 'Homophobe' - I sincerely doubt he 'fears' gays - it makes him a man willing to stand up for his beliefs. He is not Anti-American, he is not a bad person: He has beliefs. He has opinions. He has a value system.

    Remember - Obama claims Christianity as his belief system. He doesn't have to 'hate' gays to be Christian. He has his own beliefs. They are not mutually exclusive.
  • Dan · 1 year ago
    Rick Warren's lifestyle choice of picking and choosing the beliefs that he's comfortable with is nauseating, quite honestly. His belief system is in whatever makes him rich. Please!! If he truly believed in Jesus he would divest himself of all his worldly possessions.... (READ THE NEW TESTAMENT! Specifically the Book of Matthew). So I think his "value system" is all about GR$$N!!!
  • dykester · 1 year ago
    His views are that we queers --- people just like him --- are denied a basic civil right accorded to all other humans --- the right to marry the person of our choice. The belief that we are second class citizens. That is based on hate and homophobia. He is a bigot. If he wants an inclusive event, then why not invite the Grand Duke etc of the KKK? Does his tolerance stretch to include all haters or only the homophobic ones? This is Donnie McClurkin redux.
  • Glitche · 1 year ago
    Hold up. I am an Obama supporter. I voted against Prop 8 too. How does that make me a segregationist or a homophobe?

    Come on. folks... u protest too much.
  • Anon · 1 year ago
    Would you PLEASE just let this guy take office before assuming the absolute worst? Oh, and just let it be noted as well, that Obama never said he was for gay marriage, only civil unions. I think there is a bit too much projecting going on here.
  • Shawnee Phill · 1 year ago
    I've looked EVERYWHERE on the web regarding this issue and cannot find a petition to sign. The very LEAST we can do is show the new President-elect
    the MAGNITUDE of disgust among his supporters for his choice of this
    religious charlatan as a spokesperson at the inauguration.
    Nowhere in the Bible does God endorse multimillionaire bookselling
    hucksters.
  • Tina · 1 year ago
    How shocking that a politician would speak out of both sides of his face! You people are morons if you believe the Obama/Biden regime cares at all about gays. Gay Obama supporters were had and the real question is, how long do they continue to drink the Kool-aid?
  • Dan · 1 year ago
    Joe, I told all my liberal/progressive friends that they would be sorry they voted for Obama. I voted GREEN party and urged them all not to waste their vote on the Demopublican candidates: Obama and McCain. The simple fact is that both parties ceded power to the corporate class over the last 2-3 decades. Average Americans count for nothing in the calculus of the Democrats and Republicans. I hope I'm not getting too smarmy with my friends, but whenever Obama makes another move that looks like a typical a Dem who's been co-opted by corporate interests, I make sure to email them. Emailing my friends about Obama's choice of Rick Warren has really been an eat-crow experience for them. They kept telling me that voting for a 3rd party was a waste of a vote, and I told them voting Dem or GOP is a waste of their vote.

    Oh well....
  • JonnyWillow · 11 months ago
    Well said, Dan, and I'm from the alternate side of the political continuum. I also voted 3rd party. It was a shame that we never saw McKinney, Barr, Baldwin, and Nader debating with McCain and Obama.