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sorry if that sounded angry. it was meant to sound furious.
Rick Warren is a dangerous demagogue who separates people from their money by preying on their basest instincts, their fears, and their ignorance. The US is a sexually repressed country and the easiest way to fleece the flocks is to scare them with the "gay agenda."
If Warren could make more money by promoting homosexuality, he'd be strutting around in assless chaps before the sun set.
I think he's just a flam-flam artist -- sort of a Bernie Madoff who deals in people's souls -- and he uses the gay issue as his come on. Back before glasnost, he would have been all anti-Red and scaring people with "godless Communism."
He probably also fulminated for a while against "secular humanism," which was something the Christian hucksters tried after the collapse of the USSR, but it never really gained any traction. It was way too abstract to get people's knees knocking. But, gays coming to recruit your kids -- that's something that can get the brain-dead in a frenzy.
you just can't have that many sexual phobias and hangups without "acting out"... and there is ALWAYS someone ready to spill the goods.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/1...
If that's not a BEAR, I don't know what is!
"CHICAGO (Reuters) - The U.S. Episcopal Church on Monday won a victory in its efforts to hold on to church property claimed by congregations that have left in disputes over theology and the role of homosexuals in the church.
The California Supreme Court ruled that the 2.4-million-member national church, and not a local parish in that state, owns a church building and the land on which it sits, property which members of the congregation said belonged to them when they left the church."
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idU...
Believe me, when the anti-gay Episcopals realize they can't steal the church's property then that will make a big difference because money usually means more to them than stopping gays from preaching a sermon or two.
/withering snark
NOT change we can believe in, friend!
this just in: warren is a soul-destroying pig.
OT:
Are any gov funds used in all the inauguration hoopla?
The whole thing seems a terrible waste and a hard slap to those suffering right now, some of whom comment on these threads.
I would probably feel differently if O was actually the man I voted for and his inauguration was the beginning of real change rather than the next Neo phase of our destruction.
I've been a Democrat for over twenty years, ever since I first voted.
I've had enough.
I'm amazed at all the media debate regarding Obama's latest speech. I was like, "Wha...????" After EIGHT YEARS of just letting Dubya play "decider" and just say "This is the way its going to be..." and the media report it as, "G-d just said 'this is the way its gonna be'" its kind of weird to see all the media debating Obama's every word. My, my... if we had had this kind of media analysis during the Bu$h years, we might not be in such dire trouble.
1) Obama didn't know these things about Warren (but clearly he does now).
or
2) Obama knew these things about Warren (which means he deeply hates and wishes horrible things on LGBT people).
If scenario # 1 is correct, and Obama stubbornly refuses to admit his mistake, he is just another Bush.
If scenario #2 is correct then we have elected someone who is going to do harm to LGBT people on a global scale.
Either way, things do not look good. Obama constantly sides with the most hateful of homophobes. This cannot be a coincidence. I think he truly hates LGBT people.
The proof is in the puddin'.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28558590/
call it a goodwill gesture to people we just respectfully disagree with.
There is nothing cuter than a happy, very well fed lion.
These asshats don't even want to bring up the horrific medical conditions in many parts of Africa which often help spread this disease.
Much better to scapegoat and create more disinformation than to approach the problem with an ubiased mind to the religious fruitcake mind.
Jim Jones was charismatic, too.
Oh wait, I forgot. Warren has her records and all she can say is that he is OK because:
"He likes me! He really likes me!"
Bitch please.
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281
You should have an offensive letter just like Obama more than offended the GLBT community with his CALLOUS and INSENSITIVE decision to get Warren to say the opening prayer.
This is where I am going to be this weekend:
If you are in Los Angeles THIS SATURDAY!, January 10, 2009
2:00 PM – Action Fair
6:00 PM – Live Performance of “Prop. 8: The Musical”
http://www.equalroots.com/
As part of a national ‘Day of Protest’ against the 1996 Federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – which prevents the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in any of the nation’s 50 states – thousands of LGBT Angelenos and their allies will gather at THE RESOLUTION, an action fair focusing on the fights for marriage equality and against DOMA. Members of the community will be given an opportunity to go booth to booth and perform direct actions such as signing a postcard to Obama, writing a letter to a congressperson, signing a petition, and much more. There will also be a museum setup at the fair featuring artifacts from LGBT history ranging from legal documents to the personal items of Harvey Milk.
will be that disgusting
ANY MASCARA?
Nobody coming in to tell us how to feel at these revelations?
No 'be quiet' admonitions?
Yeah.
Didn't f#cking think so.
and guilt by association is off the mark. obama went out of his way to select warren for this honor and is apparently refusing to repudiate him the way he already did to the MUCH LESS OFFENSIVE pastor at his own church.
It did happen here. Ask the Japanese Americans what happened to them at that time. Families that had been here for 7 generations were rounded up and thrown into concentration camps. Property taken and lives destroyed and people that it was the right thing to do.
If you think it wont happen again ask yourself why have the internment camps been refurbished by Haliburton?
And no one but us will ever know about it. Mainstream media will never tell this story on any TV or radio show, or in any newspaper in America.
I was put off when Obama went to Saddleback 'church', and now I am utterly turned off by Obama's endorsement of treating gays worse than Hitler did.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/12/24/185...
Titled:
Warren-Endorsed Nigerian Archbishop Backed Anti-Gay Laws Worse Than Third Reich's
Excerpts:
In 2006, Warren publicly lionized (literally) Akinola three months after the Archbishop had endorsed legislation more draconian than comparable anti-gay statutes passed prior to World War Two under the Third Reich.
...draconian anti-Gay legislation that would, among other strictures, "make it illegal for gay men and lesbians to form organizations, read gay literature or eat together in a restaurant."
the proposed legislation was apparently denounced, according to the current Wikipedia writeup on Akinola, by the US State Department: "The proposed legislation was formally challenged by the United States State Department as a breach of Nigeria's obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights."
It was one of those rare examples from the last eight years, it would seem, in which United States foreign policy clearly aligned in support of basic human rights. Rick Warren, however, appeared to be on the other side of the issue.
the Akinola-supported legislation was actually harsher than similar anti-gay legislation, 1935 revisions to Paragraph 175 of the German penal code, applying to homosexuality, that was passed after Hitler and his Nazis took control of the German government.
...in February 2006 "the Primate of All Nigeria and leader of the Anglican Communion's largest Province, Archbishop Peter Akinola, endorsed legislation that would ban most basic civil rights for gay and lesbian Nigerians, and enforce that ban with a 5 year prison sentence."
On April 30, 2006, pastor Rick Warren wrote an op-ed, for Time Magazine, which lavished praise on Akinola, likening the cleric to Nelson Mandela:
"Akinola personifies the epochal change in the Christian church, namely that the leadership, influence, growth and center of gravity in Christianity is shifting from the northern hemisphere to the southern. New African, Asian and Latin American church leaders like Akinola, 61, are bright, biblical, courageous and willing to point out the inconsistencies, weaknesses and theological drift in Western churches."
"...Akinola has the strength of a lion, useful in confronting Third World fundamentalism and First World relativism."
"...I believe he, like Mandela, is a man of peace and his leadership is a model for Christians around the world."
Rick Warren's support for Akinola is not an anomaly but appears to be, rather, the rule.
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So, to sum up, Rick Warren supports anti-LGBT legislation worse than the Nazis. Obama is endorsing this point-of-view.
I worked for two years at a large Jewish historical center as their live production manager. The ONLY person in all that time that mentioned that people other than the Jews were persecuted by Hitler was Edwin Black when he came to discuss his book, IBM and the Holocaust. He showed IBM punchcards (logic-switching machines - precursors to the computer) designed by IBM engineers for the Nazi's to use to identify and track people in their prison system. One of the cards were for the prisoners at the 'camps'. Among them were, Communist, Trade Union, Anti-Social (citizens that thought the Nazi's weren't all that cool), Jewish, Homosexual, Bible Student (jehovah's witness, etc...
While I am as goyim as they get, I would have been rounded up for either homosexual or anti-social. So few of my Jewish friends even know, much less care, that non-Jews were also persecuted...
Jesus' followers at the time were mortified that he truly meant that they should care for the lepers and prostitutes, the lowest of the low. How can any Christian possibly justify their belief that Jesus would exclude anyone for any reason? People, like Warren, that claim that the teachings of Jesus justify persecution of anyone, regardless of the reason, are NOT following Jesus' teachings or what he meant by them. People like Akinola and Warren are Anti-Christians, they preach the opposite of what Jesus actually did and intended is followers to do.