AMERICAblog: Rob weighs in on 27% of Hillary supporters supposedly going for McCain
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
You know, the only time I felt a soupcon of sympathy for Hillary during the campaign was when Bill made that horrible comment that he couldn't change her appearance to be prettier or thinner, or something like that. Contrast that with how Barack and Joe Biden are so proud of their wives.
But to say that feeling bad for Hillary is a reason for not supporting Barack is ridiculous. I think we all know that, particularly when she started her kitchen sink policy, most of the voters she attracted were the dregs who would be voting rethug in November anyway. They were not so much voting for Hillary as against Barack.
And the Reagan Democrat analogy is the very best example of poor, lightly educated people voting against their own self-interest.
hit_escape
· 1 year ago
I live with a die-hard, 52 year old Hillary supporter. She did phone banking the day before Hillary dropped out. She has run the entire gamut of anger and outrage, but has come to the conclusion that she will vote for Obama. She realizes the folly of McCain and will not vote for him. If Hillary would try to primary Obama in 2012, that would be fine with her.
I doubt that one of the phone bank people who worked with her will vote for Obama. What was that person's comment when asked if she would switch? Her comment was, "I'm not voting for a black man". Yes, there are racist Democrats.
dreadpiraterobert
· 1 year ago
I really don't understand why any Hilary supporter would ever vote for McCain. Sure, it would have been great to have the first woman president, but now her supporters are going to vote for a man who's going to appoint a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade and set feminism back 50 years? Someone who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years? A man who will continue the Bush legacy of anti-immigration, anti-social services, and more corporate influence than ever before?
Is sour grapes really worth that?
LisaLV711
· 1 year ago
Simply put, lack of intelligence.
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
It is the job of the Obama campaign to make those HRC Democrats realize the mistake they would make. And they aren't doing it forcefully enough because they won't go negative.
I think the smartest thing they could do would be for Hillary to cut a 30 second ad for Obama.
LisaLV711
· 1 year ago
Somebody explain to me just what is so scary about an Obama/Biden ticket? Why is MSM provoking all McInSane/Rove scare tactics at the Demo convention? How can they continually talk about Obama's weaknesses and how much he needs, not only Hillary Clinton, but Bill as well. He didn't need them in Berlin and nowhere else in the Middle East and Europe. Both Senators Obama and Biden are highly intelligent men and don't scare easily. Between the two of them, they will mop the floor with McCain and whoever he picks and I believe that is the real reason they continue to bad mouth these two. Well, in my experience, the only people who fear intelligence are folks that don't have any, including those in the MSM.
truebluecoondog
· 1 year ago
Seriously, people, how in the world can Barack Obama choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate and not be laughed out of town for saying he stands for CHANGE? It just couldn't be. Period. Corruption and exessive lobbying is what made Bill and Hillary so rich (and imbedded). Teaming up with them would be counterproductive to everything Obama stands for.
nsr
· 1 year ago
I just can't buy 27%. One in four? If Rush can mobilize enough dittoheads in TX and PA to throw those primaries to HRC, Rove can sure as heck find enough Republicans (especially the "Reagan Democrats) to load this poll. Considering this is the party that had "Homosexuals for McGovern" calling people in the middle of the night, not to mention developing the modern arsenal of vote-supression techniques we saw in 00 and 04, it's completely within their capabilities to make it look like liberals are defecting en masse to a war-mongering old kook like McCain. But seriously, is this even believable?
devis1
· 1 year ago
No.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
If it means ejecting braindead trash so be it. It's only going garner that much more support.
These Clinton people are sick.
Andyz
· 1 year ago
If Obama loses, it's the Clintons fault and they will be held accountable for four more years of Bush/ McCain. Hillary plays good cop while Bill and her minions play bad cop. It's what we suspected all along. The Clintons don't give a shit about the country. It's all about them. Like Ralph Nader.
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
John, you have no room to talk about how to deal with Clinton supporters. None whatsoever. It has always been obvious that Clintonites and Obamaniacs didn't much care for each other, even before the primary contest was over. In fact, the Obama candidacy rode to the nomination largely on an anti-Hillary wave.
But you have been the most vocal in your denouncement of the Clintons and Clinton supporters as basically traitors to the Democratic cause. That you, personally, would want to try to "woo" us is insulting, because it is so obviously double-faced.
That said, I think the Obama camp needs to take a long look in the mirror and realize that this lingering PUMA problem is in a large measure their fault. One of the biggest Clinton-supporter problems with Obama is that he lacked the 'meat' on his policies. He was promising too much, and not saying how he'd do it. Since the primary, he's focused more on alternative energy. But again, he doesn't say where the money comes from. And if he wanted to woo Clintonites, he'd have talked about healthcare, and equal pay, and abortion rights, et cetera.
Instead, what Obama did was the obligatory scene with Hillary at Union. And it was transparently an empty gesture. Obama doesn't truly care about what the Clintonites care about. Or if he does, he does a terrible way of publicizing it. So it is hardly a shock that Clintonites don't flock to Obama; he never tried to flock to them, except in empty gestures.
Personally, I think that most of those PUMA Democrats will end up pulling the lever for Obama anyway. Because they are smart enough to know John McCain represents more of the same. But Obama has done nothing to make the transition easy for them. He's gone through the motions, but not put in the gruntwork. Ironically, that was one of the reasons he lost PA, OH, TX, IN, etc, ever after it was clear HRC couldn't win.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
You know, a lot of us have to do things EVERY DAY that are difficult for us. Coddling sore losers is not one that I have time for. You people need to stop screwing around, realise that if you DO vote for McCain in the fall and he wins, that YOU will be blamed.
The feminist movement has gone on and on for years wanting equality. Well, now you have it; sometimes, you don't get what you want and when you whine endlessly about it, it only reinforces the very stereotypes that you are working to overcome. My first candidate didn't win. I don't expect or demand that Obama and the DNC kowtow to my needs at the expense of party unity. Every utterance that you make gives the RNC more ammunition.
Obama does not truly care, nor should he about what the Clintonites are about. It appears that you are only about yourselves, and your bruised egos, and shattered dreams. Obama is about change. Hillary and Bill are not. The voters voted, and you lost, yes, by a slim margin, but you lost.
So PLEASE, spare us the pathos and the histrionics. I am personally sick to death of it, and the press this drama is generating.
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
While I reserve for you the same respect and esteem you have for me, your candidate did not garner 17 million votes. Mine did. So that makes her a little more important.
But this is not about HRC, and it never has been. That's why Obama's strategy is never going to work. He things that by drapping himself in Hillary, all will be forgiven. But it won't.
On Inauguration Day 2001, did you think, "Well George Bush beat Al Gore by a slim margin. I'll blindly support Bush now, though. After all, the voters voted."
I'm voting for Obama. McCain would be a travesty. But trying to sweep the problem under the rug isn't going to help matters.
lucky hussein
· 1 year ago
comparing the # of votes is ridiculous. please learn that.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
"Obama doesn't truly care about what the Clintonites care about."
I'd like to know what those things are.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
The Cintons care about Bill and Hill and probably about Chelsea (definitely not about Socks and Buddy).
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
The gap of difference between HRC and Obama, as it always has, pales in comparison to the gulf between Obama and McCain.
What I mean about the values of Clintonites are partially issue-oriented and partially intangible. Obama still seems, in the mind of many, uncommitted to truly universal healthcare, to renegotiating NAFTA, to abortion rights, and to the working class in general. In a sense, he still has that 'elitist' veneer, no matter how much of a lie and a smear it was in the first.
What I meant is exactly what I said. Obama never reached out to the olive-branch to the Clintonites--and I mean the voters, not HRC or WJC themselves--in a way that was organic and real *to them*.
To be sure, there are some who won't vote for Obama, but would vote for Clinton, solely based on his race. And there is nothing Obama could or should do to placate those voters. But some genuine voters have genuine concerns about Obama--not related to his being an 'other'--that they feel are not addressed. And I blame that on poor messaging from the Obama campaign. It's a lack of concern for voter contact, and an exceedingly naive focus on voter registration. (Once Labor Day hits, at the latest, you should be talking to voters. The Obama campaign around Philadelphia is just starting to get there.)
By the by, I go canvassing almost daily. I'm not talking out of thin air. I'm basing my thoughts as someone who supported Clinton, and now campaigns for Obama, but also as someone who talks to undecided voters by the dozens on a daily basis.
DAB
· 1 year ago
Regarding economic issues, I thought this past Sunday's New York Times Magazine article on "Obamanomics" pretty much summed up his plans well (if you can call an 8,000+ examination a "summing up"!).
He and Clinton do have different positions on universal healthcare, but it's mostly in the area of "mandated" versus "available." Providing health insurance to everyone who wants it is the goal of both, so invoking universal healthcare as a wedge reason for not voting for Obama (when McCain won't even come close) is pretty intellectually dishonest. I'm not saying you, NovaNardis, just those who center on this as their reason for switching from Clinton to McCain.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
"Obama never reached out to the olive-branch to the Clintonites--and I mean the voters, not HRC or WJC themselves--in a way that was organic and real *to them*."
i guess you're watching a different channel from me. obama sang hillary's praises several times during the tough primary (during which she was providing sound bites for future Mccain commercials), including the night he clinched the nomination. i doubt if even she would have changed that speech. i suspect the only thing the clinton/mccain supporters would accept now would be an apology for beating her or an apology for being a man. even that might not be "organic" enough.
hopelesspedant
· 1 year ago
Here's a thought -
Maybe the Obama people and the Clinton crowd jointly has decided to manufacture this "friction" idea with the hope and expectation that it will drive a much larger than normal audience to the two Clinton speeches - at which point both Hillary and Bill totally shred McCain and make very clear their total support for Obama.
In Bill's case, he easily could be making noises for the attention factor alone - he wants people to watch him - but by Wednesday night I would not be surprised if a lot of the media (and progressive bloggers as well) start realizing they've been had.
Who is going to watch Tues and Weds night of the GOP convention? And McCain's speech is the same night as the NFL opener - which if it goes into overtime will be directly opposite him.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
....and don't forget listening to McSAME is like watching paint dry.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
...like watching paint dry "my friends...."
:-)
canuck55
· 1 year ago
The Clintons reek of a lingering sense of entitlement - pick me for VP, you were mean to Bill so you have to grovel in your acceptance speech, I will release my delegates but not tell them to support Obama; putting themselves before the party or the nation. It is no wonder that Obama did not choose Hillary - he would be running a rear guard action against her and Bill for the whole time he was in the White House. And I have a hard time believing that once the election comes that any Clinton supporters would vote for McCain and guarantee the repeal of Roe v Wade, more war for the sons and daughters of America and 4 more years of the decline of the American economic empire. Do you suppose that at least some of these so-called Clinton supporters are actually Republicans in sheep's clothing?
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
Sense of entitlement? Obama won his Senate seat by default and then decided he was the smartest guy in the room and should be President. Who's entitled now?
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
By default??? he won by 75 percent of the vote. What are you talking about. Keys was totally inept, yes. But give the guy some credit.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
Ryan dropped out once the sordid details of his divorce were made public and Keyes is a walking punchline. Obama never had to run very hard against two such obvious losers.
lucky hussein
· 1 year ago
Half the shillary 27% are hard-right a-holes, or racists, so forget them. (remember 'operation chaos' ?) The other half need to be de-programmed. They're under right-wing mind control, notice how they're focused on ridiculous issue points? Start by painting McCain a super-elitist who is the opposite of shillary on every issue.
The speeches by both of them, will show where their true interests are. They have the power during these speaches for serious de-programming.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
you are exactly correct. I am so sick of the media focus on these ignorant fools I could puke. These are scary times, we cannot afford four more years of Bush policies. These people should have their heads examined, truly. What is the end game?? That Hillary run in 2012?? After all of this crap that's been going on, there is no way in hell she would be a viable candidate. Then what do we have.........let's see, possibly the draft, a war with Iran, no energy solutions, NO progress on human rights, more government in your personal affairs, more paybacks for big companies. I mean really, who are these people??
PS: Every model I have seen shows an Obama victory in the Michigan primaries had he been on the ballot.
PPS: If Hillary were the nominee, I would sticking up for her just as vehimently.
PPPS: I am sick of being politically corect, to all Hillary people voting for McSAME: GET OVER IT. Every policy issue you liked Hillary for, will now have a different signature, but the policies will still come to fruition.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
You know Mark, you said what I've been saying to my friends all along. Sure I was for Obama almost from the beginning (actually was for Edwards waaay back in the beginning, with Obama as a VP but thank God that went nowhere, haha). Anyway, I moved to Obama early on in the primary season and my Hillary friends always joked with me about that but I told them all that without a shadow of a doubt if she won, I would support her 110%.
We just CAN NOT AFFORD 4 more years of Bush policies. We will be screwed for perhaps the rest of our lives with Supreme court decisions. You can kiss any hope EVER of Same Sex unions and/or marriage. Abortion would most likely become illegal again, or at least very difficult. Corporations will reign out of control and God only knows what wars and chaos we'll be embroiled in.
If ANY HIllary supporter reading this is thinking of voting for McCain, I'll trade you: I would have voted for Hillary without hesitation so please do the same for my guy...
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Well said.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
How can one 'woo' someone who is so ignorant that they are supporting McCain?
LynnDee
· 1 year ago
I've about had it with the Hillary supporters -- and Carville and Begala are beyond despicable. But I'm willing to listen to cooler heads on what should be done to placate these people now.
nsr
· 1 year ago
Another reason it stinks is the Infotainment Industry's hand pushing it along. Andrea Mitchell made a point in her report this weekend about Hillary making a public show of support "no matter what her real feelings are". (They just can't help being snide. Like I'm sure Mrs Greenspan is privy to HRC's internal monolog.) Considering the MSM's record since Monica, that in itself is enough to make it a questionable conclusion.
smiling_dog
· 1 year ago
Are we supposed to kiss their feet? The hell with them. Vote for who you want, no strings attached. Hillary supporters, you are angry, spiteful, arrogant and perfectly appropriate McCain voters. Get lost. Rendell is at the top of the list. Give him nothing.
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
Frankly, that's the condescending, spiteful mindset that is creating the problem. Politics isn't my-way-or-the-highway.
The problem for the Obama camp is that Obama supporters can see no good reason that people wouldn't support Obama, and no good reason why people like Hillary. In order to convince Clinton supporters to vote Obama, you have to be willing to empathize. If Obama isn't willing to go that far, he deserves to lose. It's just a shame he would deliver out country unto McCain because he personally doesn't like HRC that much...
LynnDee
· 1 year ago
Okay, let's hear it then. What is it you want Obama to do?
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Excatly, there is nothing he can do because these people have made up their minds. Obama has been extremely gracious in the way he talks about and engages HIllary. He has stuck up for her time and again. Frankly, I don't see the this being reciprocated by her to be honest.
we are are doing OK in the polls as far as the electoral vote. But as with anyother situation the brown folks have to do twice as much work to get half as far. So we need to win by a good margin in order to compnesate for any voting "irregularities" that might occur.
TheOriginalLiz
· 1 year ago
I have absolutely no respect for any woman who would vote for McCain.
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
me too. It makes no sense. Except these people have major self loathing issues and need to get their head examined.
Psyche
· 1 year ago
Have to agree with other commenters. And I'm dismayed with the ongoing Clinton tactics to keep the battle alive. Superficially, they're supporting Obama but allowing their surrogates to undermine Obama and convince everyone that Obama will tank without Hillary. It's amazing that the convention is here and the Clintons are still occupying center stage -- narcissistic, dysfunctional drama queens.
And I don't agree with those who buy the spin that Obama has failed to "bring them in." My POV is that he should have taken a firm stand earlier, given Clintons minimal convention exposure if they couldn't bring their troops along, and definitely not given them a floor vote -- they've just encouraged the acting out.
I strongly doubt that the dead-enders would have voted for any slightly progressive Dem male. Seems they're a mixed bunch of Reagan Dem's, conservative Independents, leftover Limbaugh "operation chaos" primary voters, and the plain dumb and crazy (with racists liberally sprinkled among all groups. Time to move on, let them do their thing and reach out to the voters that can be persuaded. Let's take a lesson from the blogosphere. Don't feed the trolls!
Mark in Florida
· 1 year ago
Well said. Perfect. You are exactly correct.
Psyche
· 1 year ago
Thank you Mark!
gaiilonfong
· 1 year ago
Screw them all. Rendell the crook and the DLC trolls Carville and Begala are fighting for the life of the DLC ....don't kiss their lame arzes , let-em go....don't need em....it is time for the progressives to say GOOD FRIGGIN RIDDANCE to them all.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
No Shit! The Clintons used their office and status to bank over 100 Million since Bill left office. Meanwhile, Joe has been in the Senate for 3 decades and is one of the poorest. He couldn't be bought in over 30 years! No contest. Barack made the right choice. No looking back. Barack took the FOR SALE sign off the office of the Presidency. The US tax paid spigot to corrupt politicians has been shut off.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
Harry Truman was poor all his life and never made any decent money until he went back to Missouri and wrote his memoirs. He always said anyone who left office richer than he was when he entered politics had done something crooked.
MTkate
· 1 year ago
Has anyone seen a gender breakout on the 27% poll? Reader comments suggest that the disaffected Hillary supporters are all bitter women, but I suspect they are more like my older male relatives: lifelong union democrats struggling to come to terms with the depths of their racism. Happy to have friends, coworkers, or an occasional boss be African American but scared to death what will happen should Obama become president. These aren't people rubbing their choice in your face -- they are uncomfortable and ashamed. But they've lived through racial violence and that fear is largely driving the choice at the poll.
ms39047
· 1 year ago
BINGO - you win the prize.
devis1
· 1 year ago
My family has many older members that fled NYC in the late 60's because of this fear and I think you are absolutely right about the conundrum. Crime has also affected their lives and it leaves a deep scar.
eagleye
· 1 year ago
The diehard HIllary supporters ought to be out there working to retire her $20 million campaign debt. When they have done that, then I'll start taking them seriously.
Milli
· 1 year ago
exactly
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
That shows you how much they respect Hillary! If they had supported her campaign in the first place, she wouldn't be in debt. And, it was Hillary's fault to continue on knowing her campaign was in financial ruin.
dcredhead
· 1 year ago
Excellent point.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I just made this point (without reading the whole thread). If her 18 million supporters had each sent her one dollar, Hillary would be almost debt free.
Truth is more likely she has 18 hundred hangerson and, I guess, they don't support her enough to spare some coin.
cmpnwtr
· 1 year ago
One great blessing among many in this campaign. After Barack wins the GE, the Clinton era is over, for good, and with it their DLC Republican-lite politics. And Bill and Hillary can choose to be good Democrats and support the progressive cause, or simply go into permanent exile. It's not up to Barack to bring the dead-enders on board. It's up to Hillary to help them see their own best interests, as well as her own. That includes the likes of Rendell and Strickland. Begala and Carville can retire and get their cynical butts back to Texas and Lousiana, while Carville makes money off his wife's right wing Swift-boat publishing career.
Milli
· 1 year ago
Do we have the names and phone numbers of these women? I would personally love to call them a couple of years into McCain's presidency and thank them for a war with Iran, a pro-life Supreme Court, $12 a gallon gas, and a quart of milk is considered a luxury expense. Boy oh boy, you Hillary Democrats sure showed us!!! Thank God you saved us from the uppity black guy!!!!!!!!!!
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I think more than not wanting a black guy, they want Hillary to run again in 2012. Like she would get ANY republicans to vote for her then and she will have lost forever all the Dems that fought to keep McCain from doing any more damage to this country. My sister told me she has a friend who said by the time McCain gets done, the entire country will be BEGGING for Hillary to take over! Apparently the millions sure to suffer under McCain is a price these very few lunatics are willing to pay. Gotta give it to the Clinton's. They have a talent for creating deep divisions like no one else on the planet. I am so sick of them and their crazed supporters I feel sick everytime I think of the years I spent defending them
Milli
· 1 year ago
I agree with you about Hillary supporters wanting her to run in 2012 against McCain, but there are also Hillary supporters out there who resented having a black man beat their dream candidate. Obama is "beneath" the glorious Hillary - he's too low class for them. In their eyes, this country is putting women behind African Americans on the scale of importance and its just eating them alive. They wouldn't be this rabid if Biden or Dodd won the primaries.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Well, for those that are simply racists, time to part ways. Republicans are the party of bigots, homophobes and assholes. They will fit in much better there. We should encourage them to make the transition swiftly so we can begin to wash off their stench and move on.
hit_escape
· 1 year ago
As I posted below, my wife did phone banking for Hillary. One of the workers flatly stated they would not vote for a black man for President.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
I'm in agreement with you on this one. There are some deep racial overtones in the mix.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I am so sick of the media mouthpieces ginning this thing up. For the dwindling PUMA's out there it is real simple. A Vote for anyone other than Barack Obama is a sign of complete disrespect for Hill and Bill's life work and their dreams for this country. So the question becomes, do they intend to spit on the Clinton's by denouncing their life work and insuring more repugnant Republican policies or is their true motivation to just be a roadblock to progress? Which is it?
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Wow, never thought of it from that perspective! Thanks for that!! So very true...
jaango
· 1 year ago
To me, this all ado about nothing.
As per the statement, "The task for the Obama campaign is to clearly articulate, particularly to Hispanic women, that the stakes are so high in this election they have to hold their nose and vote Obama."
As a Chicano from the Sonoran Desert, Chicanas have already seen the writing on the wall vis a vis McCain, and are acting accordingly by supporting Barack Obama. The latest public opinion poll on Arizona's Hispanics, exclusively, showed that 79% of Hispanics in total, are supporting Obama. Up from 56% of several years ago.
Thus, McCain has yet to break 50% in Arizona among the total voting population. He is currently sitting at 44%. As such, his Favorite Son status, is not to be believed. Perhaps, after the Democrats and Republicans hold their respective conventions, the public opinion polls, will tell a different story. But I think not.
And if I were 'advising' Obama, I would be suggesting that he spend a considerable amount of time and resources in Ohio. To me, Ohio is the nexus for this election cycle, and things are looking good given that their high-visible Elected Officials are now Democrats.
Check out this story. Hillary is totally on board with the Obama-Biden ticket. It's time that you followed her lead.
LynnDee
· 1 year ago
I would like to hear from the Hillary supporters what it is they want Obama to do.
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
1) Adopt her healthcare policy. 2) Pay-as-you-go proposals. 3) Cut an ad with Hillary attacking McCain. 4) [Would have liked to see] Hillary as VP. She'd be more effective in the Senate, but this would have been the most effective way of dealing with the PUMA voters. 5) [For his supporters] Stop acting like every HRC supporter is somehow a mindless idiot.
LynnDee
· 1 year ago
He basically has adopted her health care policy. The one main difference was the mandate/no mandate, and he has indicated that he supports (or isn't necessarily opposed to?) a mandate. I assume he won't say more than that before the election.
I wouldn't have objected to Hillary as VP. But it's obviously too late for that, and he does have the right to name his own VP.
Cutting an ad with her sounds great. They should do that.
I assume, if this is the list of things you want, that you aren't one of the Hillary supporters threatening to vote for McCain?
NovaNardis
· 1 year ago
Not whatsoever. :-)
houstonray
· 1 year ago
I think he will have Hillary play a very prominent role in Health Care reform. Think how cool it would be to have a Universal Health Care plan she helped create with him?? It will be talked about 50 years from now when it's still being used. I think he realizes that she is a great asset in that department.
I honestly think that he could not have chosen Hillary as VP simply due to his campaign theme of change. He would have been savaged in the media (and not saying I agree with it) for dredging up the Clinton years and that's all we would have heard about from now until November. Again, I would have supported him still if he had gone that route, but it's too late for that now.
An advertisement would be AWESOME. I would so like to see that.
I don't think every HRC supporter is a mindless idiot, I understand the feeling when "your guy (gal in this case)" doesn't win, but I just get scared when I hear them saying they will stay home or God forbid, vote FOR McSame, that logic totally evades me. They would only be hurting themselves, their daughters and sons, grandchildren, etc. Glad to know you will still vote for Obama...Thank you for that...
larz
· 1 year ago
So in a nutshell - Hillary supporters are like kids that break their own toys instead of sharing them.
I can understand being upset about it, but come on already, she had lost this thing in February. Acting like a child when a child has isn't that big of a deal, but when we talk about another 4 years of failed policies, overstepping constitutional boundaries, SCOTUS appointments - do Hillary supporters want to go down in history as the people responsible for the downfall of this country? McCain has told us very little about his intentions once in office, but the things we do know will make China look like a champion of human rights.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Or they are like the parent in a bitter divorce that would rather kill the kids than share them with a spouse they dispise. SICK!
DAB
· 1 year ago
If Obama loses because he doesn't get at least 90% of registered Democrats' votes, I won't blame the Clintons, I'll blame those voters who switched from Hillary to McCain, against her expressed wishes.
I don't expect a Democratic National Convention to go entirely smoothly, or for everyone to be in complete agreement -- the only time that happened was probably the last convention, and it didn't help at all anyway -- and I think Hillary, in particular, has been extremely clear about the importance of bringing her supporters aboard the Obama train. (Her husband is all about her husband, but as a former President, he's got his perogatives.)
But all these supposed "Democrats" who are willing to vote for McCain rather vote for Obama -- they'll do to this country exactly the same as those people who stood on principle and voted for Nader eight years ago, especially in Florida. They (and five "supervoters" on the Supreme Court) are why we got the last 8 years. My only hope is that they live mostly in states that will go for Obama anyway (like New York and California) and not a determining factor in the swing states.
erykah
· 1 year ago
I disagree that Hill's 18 million votes automatically gave her the right to be VP. Obama's clinching the nomination gave him the right to choose the person he wanted to be VP. Obama does not have to kiss Hill's, Bill's or anyone else's butt to win the election. I do emphatize with Hill supporters, but this is boarding on the ridiculous. These folks actually think voting in McCain will allow Hill to run in 4 years. They care nothing for the country because if they did they would see that we cannot afford another four years of Bush's policy. If listening to McCain doesn't make you cringe, you are dead or just stupid. Yes, I said it, stupid.
Catsandbeer.com
· 1 year ago
exactly - what is this nonsense about how she should be on the ticket? That's not how this shit works - you win the nomination, you pick your VP candidate - and you usually don't pick your #1 opponent - you especially don't pick one who pulled shit no fellow party member every should during the primaries and effectively stumped for the OPPOSING party's candidate at your expense in a scorched earth, win at any cost method of attack - Hillary and co. behaved shamelessly in the primaries all with the goal of winning the nomination - well, she lost, and how she behaved ended her chances of even being considered for the ticket - she needs to live with that and so do her supporters
And anyone who was/is a Hillary supporter who votes for McCain is a fucking nutjob - anyone who supported her for anything other than her gender wants nothing to do with a McCain presidency - I can understand just not voting period (though think that's a bad idea), but voting for the man that represents the absolute opposite of what your beloved candidate does? Fucking crazy.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Hate to say it, but for the masses of women (Hillary Supporters) who will vote for McCain--it's just "Vote for the white guy as usual."
There's no other explanation for it! Hopefully nobody gets offended here.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
There would have been an attack on Obama if he picked Hillary. The repugs fault Obama for having picked Biden because that isn't change? They would have attacked him if he picked Hillary or anyone else.
It is now on HILLARY, not Obama to bring her voters in. Once Hillary's voters are in, it will be the response of Obama's policies to keep them there.
Did I mention that Obamas policies are almost identical to Hillarys, whereas McCains policies are 180 degrees opposite.
A vote for MCCAIN AND HIS POLICIES is a vote AGAINST HILLARIES POLICIES.
Where is the problem with Biden? He has been in the senate 20+ years, thus the message of change is gone?
Well, Biden is running for vice-pres. McCain is running for pres and has been there 20+ years. Is McCain running on NO CHANGE?
Are we now saying that too many years in office is a disqualification to run for office? Does that include McCain?
Hillary, WILL bring her voters in.
And President Bill Clinton will give another great speech. He is tough. His feelings aren't hurt. Get Real.
President Clinton knows that Obama, at times, has said what he has had to say. Other times, Obama stuck his foot in his mouth.
President Clinton will give a speech like only he can do. He will get a resounding standing ovation, as will Hillary. The MSM will then be talking about how Bill Clinton upstaged Obama and how Obama isn't ready.
WDemDem
· 1 year ago
You people have spent months bashing HIllary supporters and now they're thumbing their noses at you. Surprised?
WDemDem
· 1 year ago
And by the way, I'm voting for Obama, so don't waste your blather on me.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
When has Obama ever bashed Hillary. Americablog is not on the ballot you retarded SOB. Americablog being mean to Billary is not a reason not to vote for Obama, who didn't bash Hillary.
Lolis
· 1 year ago
yes, this idea that the supporters represent the candidate is crazy. I don't think Will all 30 of the PUMAs represent HRC.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
But I'm sure brothers do, like Hillary's brother's support for McCain.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
I feel that most of her female supporters are beyond the point when they might be in need of abortion, so they could really care less about what it would mean for the supreme court to have McCain as President. That's how selfish and stupid they are.
look, it's useful to know where the opposition to obama is coming from. some of it is like the japanese sodiers on jungle islands that fought for years after the war was lost. some of it is "chaos" voters like this one.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Right now, this isn't surprising to me. I knew after the bitter primary that sore feelings would linger among the losing side. But the time is coming for us all to grow up and vote our interest for a change. Change is our interest after all. You have until November to come to your senses if you haven't already. If 8 years of Bush to be followed by four more years of McSame isn't enough to break you of your left-over bitter feelings, then nothing will.
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
Please correct me if I am thinking wrong. I am sick and tired of Chuck Todd being on EVERY TV SHOW today and probably all week. If you listen to him long enough you will be confused as to whether he is for Obama or Hillary.
I do believe all of this attention has gone to Chuckie's head and he is loving it. I used to get mad at Joe S. for calling him Chuckie T. but gave up sticking up for Chuck some time ago. He is getting as bad as Carville and Begala.
And what about the Clinton people all leaving the convention after Hillary and Bill speak. With loyal Democrats like that we may be in trouble. I haven't trusted the Clintons from Day One and still think they are planning something. If not to get Hillary on the ticket then to ruin all Obama's chances for this election year. Then it is too late to do any good.
God I am so sorry i ever voted TWO TIMES for that traitor!!!!
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
In the 90's the Clinton's were famous for their slash and burn politics of division. Nothing has changed.
Lolis
· 1 year ago
I haven't seen that Obama has a problem with Hispanic women. Most polls have him winning that group by 3-1. What am I missing here?
I think most Clinton supporters will come home. Obama will do a lot during this convention to make them feel better. Hillary Clinton still needs to say, "Obama has proven he is qualified to be president." Saying, "You have more in common with Obama then John McCain" is still pretty weak. I'm not sure the Clintons realize how motivated Obama supporters will be to destroy the Clintons if they harm Obamas chances. I've already heard of NYers planning a primary challenge against Clinton if she does not offer her full support. So the animosity goes both ways. Bill and Hillary Clinton's future in the party is on the line here, too. Interesting how the press is not interested in covering that angle.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
Howard Fineman wrote in Newsweek that a Hillary staffer, who asked for anonymity, said that she never really wanted to be VP. She and Obama would have impassed over his selection committee's desire to examine the books of Bill's foundation.
Sounds to me as if Bill's penchant for taking risks with his sex life has carried over to his financial dealings. If Hillary knows of a scandal waiting to happen, then her entire campaign was as stupid and reckless as John Edwards' was. Who's to say that the GOP hasn't already dug up some dirt on the Clinton Foundation and was saving it for an October surprise in case Hillary were on the ticket ?
Hillary's 1993 health-care plan was done in partly because it was drawn up in secret. The most secrecy-obsessed presidents were Nixon and Bush 43, and it's no coincidence that they were the worst presidents ever.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Yep. Unfortuantely for the Repugs Hillary didn't get the nomination as they would have all the ammo they needed to win again. Now their hopes of still using the Clinton circus (real and manufactured) as the VP is over. They got Biden and they are f*cked. LOL
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
It is a well known fact that Hillary didn't want to be vetted unless it was a sure thing that she would be named VP. Too many skeletons in Bill's closet and she didn't want them made public if she wasn't going to be the one!
Does she really think the repugs don't already know everything there is to know about her and Bill? They have enough to write a book and if Obama had put Hillary on the ticket all hell would have broken loose. But if she was going to get the job as VP she could care less what happened to Bill!
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
One thing this controversy has done is change my mind about some prominent people who I previously had admired. I will never feel the same about Tom Brokaw. What a disappointment.
jr
· 1 year ago
Obama or coat hangers. Take your pick
devis1
· 1 year ago
Not exactly short and sweet but definitely to the point!
devis1
· 1 year ago
Dry Cleaners for McCain.
QUALAR
· 1 year ago
I suspect that there are at least 5% of Hillary supporters who will not vote for either Obama or McCain. That represents a major problem for Obama because those 900,000 votes spells a possible defeat in November. I am angry as hell about the racial wedge that was driven between Hillary and black voters. Obama's national campaign chair, Jesse Jackson, Jr, knew that Obama didn't stand a chance without that divide. Jackson's statement that Clinton was demeaning the memory of Martin Luther King was disgraceful. Not surprisingly, the campaign hid him after that comment. I imagine the Obama campaign Emails to the media will reflect a concerted effort to hype racial issues. A lot of my anger comes from my disdain for Obamabrats' open hostility towards anyone who don't agree with them, especially on this thread. Also, I didn't like Obama's comment that his supporters would not support Hillary, but her supporters would support him. He may have a big surprise in store. Intolerance is unacceptable from either party.
tas
· 1 year ago
If they want to go, then you have to let them. President Obama cannot have to deal with former President Clinton at every turn and he would have had to deal with him every time he, in Bill' didn't show enough respect for Hillary. Obama has made inroads in every iteration of a voting group you can imagine. We will have 2 months to kick Republican ass and Obama has shown he won't just sit there and take it like Kerry & Gore did in the last two elections. But he is not knee jerk, either. However, there are folks that won't vote for him becase he is 1/2 black (remember, one drop of black blood makes you black in the South). McCain could be Hitler reincarnated and 75% of Republicans would vote for him. That is just how it is. And if the white voters who supported Hillary won't support him, let's just figure out how to win another way.
scytherius
· 1 year ago
If they wanna drive the last nail in Amerika's coffin . . . let 'em. *shrug* There won't be anything left when Ms. Bitch runs in 2012 and this shit hole really isn't worth saving anyway.
dula
· 1 year ago
Ditto! All that was good about the US has been dismantled by Neocon trash and the Dems are too Centrist to ever have the courage to swing things back the other way. It is better that McCain wins so when the country completely falls apart, there can be no question of who to blame. Poor Obama doesn't deserve to have to pick up the pieces of a tragic land. There will be nothing for Hillary and her silly little girl supporters to run for in 2012...except for scraps of food.
msirt
· 1 year ago
Some of them may be Limbaugh crossovers - never Dems anyway
OneManComotion
· 1 year ago
Let these, truly ugly, political animals go. While the differences between the two parties is obvious, they are either voting for McCain because Obama is black or that they want Hillary to win in 2012. There truly is no other reason for this obcious swith to of all things the Republicans.
As Keith Olberman said......"GROW UP"
Ohio_Dem
· 1 year ago
I'm sitting here watching the convention with my husband and at this point, we're waiting to see how Obama treats the Clintons and their 18 million supporters before we decide whether to vote or just stay home come November.
Keep up the insults and watch a lot of us sit home come election day. Do you seriously think 18 million people can be insulted by blogs like this and then hold our nose and vote for americablog's poster boy when he wasn't our candidate to begin with?
My husband and I read this blog every day and have for a long time. No one was more surprised than us, when all of a sudden everyone started bashing fellow democrats, women, and the clintons. No one was more surprised than us when our posts supporting hillary were deleted on here on more than one occasion.
and before you say, dont blame obama's supporters. he didnt bash hillary. Really? we saw that "thank you" to america blog from Obama. His campaign was WELL AWARE of what was going on, on this and other blogs, and he thanked you for your "support" - that support being bashing the Clintons far more than you are currently blasting McCain..
So keep it up and you can blame yourselves in November. You are reaping what you have sown. Deal with it.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
that's way too much of a stretch to say that obama was bashing clinton by thanking the left blogosphere for their support. pretty poor judgment on your part. staying home and tacitly supporting mccain in a crucial swing state would be even worse judgment.
dcredhead
· 1 year ago
Wow, not like your threatening people or anything.
dula
· 1 year ago
Waiting to see how Obama treats the Clintons? He's letting them speak at HIS Convention, you whiny dumb ass!!! I hope you and the other 18 million (many of whom were Republicans hoping for a Hillary Nomination so they could rip her apart in the General) do vote for McCain. It won't be Obama who loses...he can go back to whatever "exotic" land he comes from. The losers will be all those hard working "White" uneducated folks that Hillary claimed as her own.
canuck55
· 1 year ago
I think that the republicans are behind a lot of the public complaining by thses likely fake Clinton supporters, trying to sow division in the Democratic party. Real Democrats will rally round the party, because the alternative is too terrible to think about. this division has been overblown by the media to garner ratings for their convention coverage. And the more that Democats fight amongst themselves, the more the terrorists (Gramps and Co.) have won!
dcredhead
· 1 year ago
The never ending whining of the Clinton's and their boomer supporters is almost more than I can take.
Guess what, folks? IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU.
You lost. Get over it. Please.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I'm still wondering why her 18 million supporters didn't all send her a dollar to pay off her debts.
More like 18 hundred, thus she's still drowning in her reckless spending. But $1,800 would have helped at least one unpaid Clinton vendor...one of the many.
Ohio_Dem
· 1 year ago
You guys are the poorest bunch of winners I've ever seen. You just can't stop can you?
All Comments
But to say that feeling bad for Hillary is a reason for not supporting Barack is ridiculous. I think we all know that, particularly when she started her kitchen sink policy, most of the voters she attracted were the dregs who would be voting rethug in November anyway. They were not so much voting for Hillary as against Barack.
And the Reagan Democrat analogy is the very best example of poor, lightly educated people voting against their own self-interest.
I doubt that one of the phone bank people who worked with her will vote for Obama. What was that person's comment when asked if she would switch? Her comment was, "I'm not voting for a black man". Yes, there are racist Democrats.
Is sour grapes really worth that?
I think the smartest thing they could do would be for Hillary to cut a 30 second ad for Obama.
These Clinton people are sick.
But you have been the most vocal in your denouncement of the Clintons and Clinton supporters as basically traitors to the Democratic cause. That you, personally, would want to try to "woo" us is insulting, because it is so obviously double-faced.
That said, I think the Obama camp needs to take a long look in the mirror and realize that this lingering PUMA problem is in a large measure their fault. One of the biggest Clinton-supporter problems with Obama is that he lacked the 'meat' on his policies. He was promising too much, and not saying how he'd do it. Since the primary, he's focused more on alternative energy. But again, he doesn't say where the money comes from. And if he wanted to woo Clintonites, he'd have talked about healthcare, and equal pay, and abortion rights, et cetera.
Instead, what Obama did was the obligatory scene with Hillary at Union. And it was transparently an empty gesture. Obama doesn't truly care about what the Clintonites care about. Or if he does, he does a terrible way of publicizing it. So it is hardly a shock that Clintonites don't flock to Obama; he never tried to flock to them, except in empty gestures.
Personally, I think that most of those PUMA Democrats will end up pulling the lever for Obama anyway. Because they are smart enough to know John McCain represents more of the same. But Obama has done nothing to make the transition easy for them. He's gone through the motions, but not put in the gruntwork. Ironically, that was one of the reasons he lost PA, OH, TX, IN, etc, ever after it was clear HRC couldn't win.
The feminist movement has gone on and on for years wanting equality. Well, now you have it; sometimes, you don't get what you want and when you whine endlessly about it, it only reinforces the very stereotypes that you are working to overcome. My first candidate didn't win. I don't expect or demand that Obama and the DNC kowtow to my needs at the expense of party unity. Every utterance that you make gives the RNC more ammunition.
Obama does not truly care, nor should he about what the Clintonites are about. It appears that you are only about yourselves, and your bruised egos, and shattered dreams. Obama is about change. Hillary and Bill are not. The voters voted, and you lost, yes, by a slim margin, but you lost.
So PLEASE, spare us the pathos and the histrionics. I am personally sick to death of it, and the press this drama is generating.
But this is not about HRC, and it never has been. That's why Obama's strategy is never going to work. He things that by drapping himself in Hillary, all will be forgiven. But it won't.
On Inauguration Day 2001, did you think, "Well George Bush beat Al Gore by a slim margin. I'll blindly support Bush now, though. After all, the voters voted."
I'm voting for Obama. McCain would be a travesty. But trying to sweep the problem under the rug isn't going to help matters.
I'd like to know what those things are.
What I mean about the values of Clintonites are partially issue-oriented and partially intangible. Obama still seems, in the mind of many, uncommitted to truly universal healthcare, to renegotiating NAFTA, to abortion rights, and to the working class in general. In a sense, he still has that 'elitist' veneer, no matter how much of a lie and a smear it was in the first.
What I meant is exactly what I said. Obama never reached out to the olive-branch to the Clintonites--and I mean the voters, not HRC or WJC themselves--in a way that was organic and real *to them*.
To be sure, there are some who won't vote for Obama, but would vote for Clinton, solely based on his race. And there is nothing Obama could or should do to placate those voters. But some genuine voters have genuine concerns about Obama--not related to his being an 'other'--that they feel are not addressed. And I blame that on poor messaging from the Obama campaign. It's a lack of concern for voter contact, and an exceedingly naive focus on voter registration. (Once Labor Day hits, at the latest, you should be talking to voters. The Obama campaign around Philadelphia is just starting to get there.)
By the by, I go canvassing almost daily. I'm not talking out of thin air. I'm basing my thoughts as someone who supported Clinton, and now campaigns for Obama, but also as someone who talks to undecided voters by the dozens on a daily basis.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/magazine/24Ob...
He and Clinton do have different positions on universal healthcare, but it's mostly in the area of "mandated" versus "available." Providing health insurance to everyone who wants it is the goal of both, so invoking universal healthcare as a wedge reason for not voting for Obama (when McCain won't even come close) is pretty intellectually dishonest. I'm not saying you, NovaNardis, just those who center on this as their reason for switching from Clinton to McCain.
i guess you're watching a different channel from me. obama sang hillary's praises several times during the tough primary (during which she was providing sound bites for future Mccain commercials), including the night he clinched the nomination. i doubt if even she would have changed that speech. i suspect the only thing the clinton/mccain supporters would accept now would be an apology for beating her or an apology for being a man. even that might not be "organic" enough.
Maybe the Obama people and the Clinton crowd jointly has decided to manufacture this "friction" idea with the hope and expectation that it will drive a much larger than normal audience to the two Clinton speeches - at which point both Hillary and Bill totally shred McCain and make very clear their total support for Obama.
In Bill's case, he easily could be making noises for the attention factor alone - he wants people to watch him - but by Wednesday night I would not be surprised if a lot of the media (and progressive bloggers as well) start realizing they've been had.
Who is going to watch Tues and Weds night of the GOP convention? And McCain's speech is the same night as the NFL opener - which if it goes into overtime will be directly opposite him.
:-)
And I have a hard time believing that once the election comes that any Clinton supporters would vote for McCain and guarantee the repeal of Roe v Wade, more war for the sons and daughters of America and 4 more years of the decline of the American economic empire.
Do you suppose that at least some of these so-called Clinton supporters are actually Republicans in sheep's clothing?
and Keyes is a walking punchline. Obama never had to run very hard
against two such obvious losers.
The speeches by both of them, will show where their true interests are. They have the power during these speaches for serious de-programming.
PS: Every model I have seen shows an Obama victory in the Michigan primaries had he been on the ballot.
PPS: If Hillary were the nominee, I would sticking up for her just as vehimently.
PPPS: I am sick of being politically corect, to all Hillary people voting for McSAME: GET OVER IT. Every policy issue you liked Hillary for, will now have a different signature, but the policies will still come to fruition.
We just CAN NOT AFFORD 4 more years of Bush policies. We will be screwed for perhaps the rest of our lives with Supreme court decisions. You can kiss any hope EVER of Same Sex unions and/or marriage. Abortion would most likely become illegal again, or at least very difficult. Corporations will reign out of control and God only knows what wars and chaos we'll be embroiled in.
If ANY HIllary supporter reading this is thinking of voting for McCain, I'll trade you: I would have voted for Hillary without hesitation so please do the same for my guy...
The problem for the Obama camp is that Obama supporters can see no good reason that people wouldn't support Obama, and no good reason why people like Hillary. In order to convince Clinton supporters to vote Obama, you have to be willing to empathize. If Obama isn't willing to go that far, he deserves to lose. It's just a shame he would deliver out country unto McCain because he personally doesn't like HRC that much...
we are are doing OK in the polls as far as the electoral vote. But as with anyother situation the brown folks have to do twice as much work to get half as far. So we need to win by a good margin in order to compnesate for any voting "irregularities" that might occur.
And I don't agree with those who buy the spin that Obama has failed to "bring them in." My POV is that he should have taken a firm stand earlier, given Clintons minimal convention exposure if they couldn't bring their troops along, and definitely not given them a floor vote -- they've just encouraged the acting out.
I strongly doubt that the dead-enders would have voted for any slightly progressive Dem male. Seems they're a mixed bunch of Reagan Dem's, conservative Independents, leftover Limbaugh "operation chaos" primary voters, and the plain dumb and crazy (with racists liberally sprinkled among all groups. Time to move on, let them do their thing and reach out to the voters that can be persuaded. Let's take a lesson from the blogosphere. Don't feed the trolls!
Rendell the crook and the DLC trolls Carville and Begala are fighting for the life of the DLC ....don't kiss their lame arzes , let-em go....don't need em....it is time for the progressives to say GOOD FRIGGIN RIDDANCE to them all.
Truth is more likely she has 18 hundred hangerson and, I guess, they don't support her enough to spare some coin.
As per the statement, "The task for the Obama campaign is to clearly articulate, particularly to Hispanic women, that the stakes are so high in this election they have to hold their nose and vote Obama."
As a Chicano from the Sonoran Desert, Chicanas have already seen the writing on the wall vis a vis McCain, and are acting accordingly by supporting Barack Obama. The latest public opinion poll on Arizona's Hispanics, exclusively, showed that 79% of Hispanics in total, are supporting Obama. Up from 56% of several years ago.
Thus, McCain has yet to break 50% in Arizona among the total voting population. He is currently sitting at 44%. As such, his Favorite Son status, is not to be believed. Perhaps, after the Democrats and Republicans hold their respective conventions, the public opinion polls, will tell a different story. But I think not.
And if I were 'advising' Obama, I would be suggesting that he spend a considerable amount of time and resources in Ohio. To me, Ohio is the nexus for this election cycle, and things are looking good given that their high-visible Elected Officials are now Democrats.
Dear Hillary Supporters,
Check out this story. Hillary is totally on board with the Obama-Biden ticket. It's time that you followed her lead.
2) Pay-as-you-go proposals.
3) Cut an ad with Hillary attacking McCain.
4) [Would have liked to see] Hillary as VP. She'd be more effective in the Senate, but this would have been the most effective way of dealing with the PUMA voters.
5) [For his supporters] Stop acting like every HRC supporter is somehow a mindless idiot.
I wouldn't have objected to Hillary as VP. But it's obviously too late for that, and he does have the right to name his own VP.
Cutting an ad with her sounds great. They should do that.
I assume, if this is the list of things you want, that you aren't one of the Hillary supporters threatening to vote for McCain?
I honestly think that he could not have chosen Hillary as VP simply due to his campaign theme of change. He would have been savaged in the media (and not saying I agree with it) for dredging up the Clinton years and that's all we would have heard about from now until November. Again, I would have supported him still if he had gone that route, but it's too late for that now.
An advertisement would be AWESOME. I would so like to see that.
I don't think every HRC supporter is a mindless idiot, I understand the feeling when "your guy (gal in this case)" doesn't win, but I just get scared when I hear them saying they will stay home or God forbid, vote FOR McSame, that logic totally evades me. They would only be hurting themselves, their daughters and sons, grandchildren, etc. Glad to know you will still vote for Obama...Thank you for that...
I can understand being upset about it, but come on already, she had lost this thing in February. Acting like a child when a child has isn't that big of a deal, but when we talk about another 4 years of failed policies, overstepping constitutional boundaries, SCOTUS appointments - do Hillary supporters want to go down in history as the people responsible for the downfall of this country? McCain has told us very little about his intentions once in office, but the things we do know will make China look like a champion of human rights.
I don't expect a Democratic National Convention to go entirely smoothly, or for everyone to be in complete agreement -- the only time that happened was probably the last convention, and it didn't help at all anyway -- and I think Hillary, in particular, has been extremely clear about the importance of bringing her supporters aboard the Obama train. (Her husband is all about her husband, but as a former President, he's got his perogatives.)
But all these supposed "Democrats" who are willing to vote for McCain rather vote for Obama -- they'll do to this country exactly the same as those people who stood on principle and voted for Nader eight years ago, especially in Florida. They (and five "supervoters" on the Supreme Court) are why we got the last 8 years. My only hope is that they live mostly in states that will go for Obama anyway (like New York and California) and not a determining factor in the swing states.
And anyone who was/is a Hillary supporter who votes for McCain is a fucking nutjob - anyone who supported her for anything other than her gender wants nothing to do with a McCain presidency - I can understand just not voting period (though think that's a bad idea), but voting for the man that represents the absolute opposite of what your beloved candidate does? Fucking crazy.
There's no other explanation for it! Hopefully nobody gets offended here.
It is now on HILLARY, not Obama to bring her voters in. Once Hillary's voters are in, it will be the response of Obama's policies to keep them there.
Did I mention that Obamas policies are almost identical to Hillarys, whereas McCains policies are 180 degrees opposite.
A vote for MCCAIN AND HIS POLICIES is a vote AGAINST HILLARIES POLICIES.
Where is the problem with Biden? He has been in the senate 20+ years, thus the message of change is gone?
Well, Biden is running for vice-pres. McCain is running for pres and has been there 20+ years. Is McCain running on NO CHANGE?
Are we now saying that too many years in office is a disqualification to run for office? Does that include McCain?
Hillary, WILL bring her voters in.
And President Bill Clinton will give another great speech. He is tough. His feelings aren't hurt. Get Real.
President Clinton knows that Obama, at times, has said what he has had to say. Other times, Obama stuck his foot in his mouth.
President Clinton will give a speech like only he can do. He will get a resounding standing ovation, as will Hillary. The MSM will then be talking about how Bill Clinton upstaged Obama and how Obama isn't ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597YG23mAWs
discussion going on at DKos.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/25/134...
note: she's going to be on teevee. doesn't matter how many hits she gets.
look, it's useful to know where the opposition to obama is coming from. some of it is like the japanese sodiers on jungle islands that fought for years after the war was lost. some of it is "chaos" voters like this one.
You have until November to come to your senses if you haven't already. If 8 years of Bush to be followed by four more years of McSame isn't enough to break you of your left-over bitter feelings, then nothing will.
I do believe all of this attention has gone to Chuckie's head and he is loving it. I used to get mad at Joe S. for calling him Chuckie T. but gave up sticking up for Chuck some time ago. He is getting as bad as Carville and Begala.
And what about the Clinton people all leaving the convention after Hillary and Bill speak. With loyal Democrats like that we may be in trouble. I haven't trusted the Clintons from Day One and still think they are planning something. If not to get Hillary on the ticket then to ruin all Obama's chances for this election year. Then it is too late to do any good.
God I am so sorry i ever voted TWO TIMES for that traitor!!!!
I think most Clinton supporters will come home. Obama will do a lot during this convention to make them feel better. Hillary Clinton still needs to say, "Obama has proven he is qualified to be president." Saying, "You have more in common with Obama then John McCain" is still pretty weak. I'm not sure the Clintons realize how motivated Obama supporters will be to destroy the Clintons if they harm Obamas chances. I've already heard of NYers planning a primary challenge against Clinton if she does not offer her full support. So the animosity goes both ways. Bill and Hillary Clinton's future in the party is on the line here, too. Interesting how the press is not interested in covering that angle.
Sounds to me as if Bill's penchant for taking risks with his sex life has carried over to his financial dealings. If Hillary knows of a scandal waiting to happen, then her entire campaign was as stupid and reckless as John Edwards' was. Who's to say that the GOP hasn't already dug up some dirt on the Clinton Foundation and was saving it for an October surprise in case Hillary were on the ticket ?
Hillary's 1993 health-care plan was done in partly because it was drawn up in secret. The most secrecy-obsessed presidents were Nixon and Bush 43, and it's no coincidence that they were the worst presidents ever.
Does she really think the repugs don't already know everything there is to know about her and Bill? They have enough to write a book and if Obama had put Hillary on the ticket all hell would have broken loose. But if she was going to get the job as VP she could care less what happened to Bill!
As Keith Olberman said......"GROW UP"
Keep up the insults and watch a lot of us sit home come election day. Do you seriously think 18 million people can be insulted by blogs like this and then hold our nose and vote for americablog's poster boy when he wasn't our candidate to begin with?
My husband and I read this blog every day and have for a long time. No one was more surprised than us, when all of a sudden everyone started bashing fellow democrats, women, and the clintons. No one was more surprised than us when our posts supporting hillary were deleted on here on more than one occasion.
and before you say, dont blame obama's supporters. he didnt bash hillary. Really? we saw that "thank you" to america blog from Obama. His campaign was WELL AWARE of what was going on, on this and other blogs, and he thanked you for your "support" - that support being bashing the Clintons far more than you are currently blasting McCain..
So keep it up and you can blame yourselves in November. You are reaping what you have sown. Deal with it.
Guess what, folks? IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU.
You lost. Get over it. Please.
More like 18 hundred, thus she's still drowning in her reckless spending. But $1,800 would have helped at least one unpaid Clinton vendor...one of the many.