AMERICAblog: Rove thinks the economic issues will just ebb and flow away
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Economists overwhelmingly prefer Obama
AS THE financial crisis pushes the economy back to the top of voters’ concerns, Barack Obama is starting to open up a clear lead over John McCain in the opinion polls. But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.
"With a month to go and the poll numbers down, the McCain campaign is playing the guilt by association card, and that’s leaving some conservatives uneasy."
if Rove is pointing toward Ohio again, then we have to watch Ohio carefully and work hard there...
AND we have to make sure that while we're all looking where he points, he's not somewhere else pulling dirty tricks. I think the Obama campaign has Rove's number.
HeartlandLiberal
· 1 year ago
I can only assume that Karl Rove does not do his own grocery shopping, and certainly does not have the concerns facing middle class and lower class consumers. My family has watched food prices literally skyrocket for the past two months. I don't know about you, but it tends to get my attention, and I think others might notice, when they discover they don't have enough money to feed their families.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
There are people out there contemplating suicide because of the financial crisis and the Republicans treat it as if it were nothing.
It reminds me of when Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress in the 90's were planning to drastically cut access to subsidized housing for immigrants. Elderly Jewish immigrants who'd been rescued from anti-Semitic attacks in Russia were jumping out of highrises killing themselves because they'd been rescued from one hell only to find that the Republicans were ready to make them homeless here. I remember those panicked days well.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Rove's crazy, by the way.
I know three or four people who are worried about their jobs right now--and these are educated white collar employees.
There's no way this will be over before the election....heck, it might not be over before the 2010 election.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
I have noticed an almost $25 a week increase in food over the past 3 weeks. We rarely change our eating and buying habits and for a family of 4 our bill was around $100 a week. It was $128 this past Saturday. Politicians are never seen doing any shopping, in particular Karl Rove would never be caught in a supermarket, he might end up under a pile of frozen turkeys. He has an illegal immigrant doing his cooking, cleaning and yard work. The rich Republicans are removed from reality. Look at Bush Sr. driving around in a personal golf cart. Their reality is about a short supply of Maker's Mark, or no bait for the trip out to fish and then it is to give shit to an underling for not taking care of things. We do have to beware voter fraund, electronic voting, etc. We should not forget the great unwashed Redneck group who are nuts enough to do anything but have Obama in the White House, they scare me a lot too.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Lynchie, there is a direct correlation between oil and the price of your food. Read my post below...
lynchie
· 1 year ago
Oh I know that it costs a lot more to get food from field to store. My comment wasn't so much about costs though that is going to hurt more and more as we get into winter, it is about how immune the politicians are to what is really going on. They lack any real knowledge of the day to day work beyond your job that parents and families have to do. When I was young and my kids were in grade school the school took responsibility for after school activities. Now everything is done outside of the school, so parents have to drive kids everywhere. Food shopping, shopping for clothes, the weekend is over in a flash. Companies are demanding and getting (people are frightened to lose their jobs)more and more hours that aren't paid for. I have to check my computer 7 days a week. My boss emails from vacation and wants an answer in a few minutes. The stress of living, it is now work, stress from lack of job security, stress from your paycheck not stretching far enough, stress from Healthcare Insurance and not knowing if it actually will cover anything if you do get sick, stress from seeing our politicians largely ignore the real issues and now attack personalities with lies. There is not a single person in America who hasn't done something they now regret. We pledge faith and observance of Christian beliefs (whatever they are) and yet are hypocritical and caustic in our actions. Anyway I have strayed from your comment.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Points well made!!! I know where you're going with them!
ccokz
· 1 year ago
negative! negative!
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Federal Reserve announced Monday it will double to $300 billion the amount of money it will make available to the nation's banks in return for a wide range of damaged collateral. y while U.S. stock futures also fell.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I hope the Clintons have their travel schedules clear this month.
Say what you want about them, but they can talk kitchen-table economics like nobody else.
S_in_Tokyo
· 1 year ago
And that was why I was sorry, in a way, to see Hillary beaten for the nomination. But then again, I'm a foreign, non-American national in Japan, so my opinion is worth zero both in the place I live and the place that has the most influence on the way I live.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
No so S_in_Tokyo, you ave a vested interest in what goes on in our economy, the dollar is.... was the reigning currency. Now? not so much.... when the US crashes, so will Japan, so will the rest of the world financial system. It's gonna happen.
S_in_Tokyo
· 1 year ago
I don't think you got my point. Of course I have a vested interest in what is happening, but the fact that I am a foreign, non-American national in Japan means that I have NO SAY in the matter, in terms of the very basic right to vote. I have been here in Japan since my early twenties, and have never been able to vote in an election, since my country does not allow citizens who have been overseas for more than two years to vote. I voice my opinion to my American and Japanese friends, but that's as far as I can go.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
I understood your point. I was looking at your point from a larger perspective. I appreciated your interest in our affairs. While you have "no say" in your country now, your voice here does have weight....
Thanks for the contribution.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Well, if it makes you feel better, Team Hillary's Howard Wolfson thinks McCain is cooked.
Yes, thank you. It does make me feel better! Every Monday here in Tokyo I teach on the history of music in Tang- period China to a class of only 4 students at a small private college (a part-time position that I have in addition to my regular one). Today discussion turned to the way that history is written by the winners, and what might have happened in music history if a certain Emperor hadn't met an unfortunate end. Next minute the students were getting animated about the upcoming US election. I was surprised (happily) by their knowledge of the issues and the candidates. I had to get the class back on track, but it was a refreshing and reassuring 5-minute derailment!
Michael C. Ruppert says the death of banking system was predicted long before.... as I was saying as well. It's not a conspiracy theory, its an agenda: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeh Karl, when people think about bull-shit issues your guy wins. When they think about serious issues our guy wins. Your guy's problem is that America, for the most part has figured that out.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
It's kind of funny the way they treat Rove like some kind of God, when he's the one who destroyed the repub party.
His whole strategy was based on getting every last vote out of the base, which is OK if you have a growing base (like the Democrats do), but the Repubs have a shrinking base.
It was about the dumbest thing they could have done over the long term.
Then again, Repubs don't think about the long term much.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Maybe this is the kinda of long term they are thinking about, blame the black guy:
Those who read FTW for years know that time after time, and year after year my predictions have been proven correct. The United States economy is being deliberately destroyed. The fact that it was Republican House members who blocked the bailout today confirms that they are helping the Bush Administration complete its last mission before leaving office: the complete destruction of the American economy and the financial crippling of the American people. I believe the intent is, and has been, to leave a newcomer African-American president with an economy on life support which will expire early in his watch. Every Obama campaign ad that now promises to "turn the economy around" only tightens the noose around his neck. The subconscious "Jerome Corsi" message is, "Blame the backs" next year when you get it that the Great Depression was a picnic compared to what is coming.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm with ya here. The first thing Barack Obama needs to do after taking office and has a heart to heart with the American people about how EIGHT YEARS of Republican deregulation and greed has caused another depression. He needs to tell people what he is going to do to help but needs to remind Americans they elected George Dubya Bu$h twice.
I still can't believe the American people elected someone who destroyed EVERY DAMNED BUSINESS he touched become what he coined "the CEO President." I know Bu$h was hoping things would work out since he was using the awesome power of the U.S. Treasury and he could then brag to Mom and Dad he was finally a success. Instead, past is prologue and he DESTROYED our economy with the help of neocons who thought the Iraq War was somehow going to "Pay for itself."
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Yep.
Modern day Fireside Chats.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Rove is a felon and should be in prison, not doing commentary on television.
Matt Damon: I really want to know if she thinks dinosaurs were here 5000 years ago.... LOL - oh shit, if that;s the criteria to vote against palin, well its good enough for me.... Go MATT!!!
sazerac
· 1 year ago
LA Times on Palin, who in 1997 said, "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time."
World markets are tanking and our stock market will not recover any time soon. People are getting a first look at McCain's Keating Ecnonomics.
Webster
· 1 year ago
Bible Spice is on TV right now. Let's see how many lies and cliches she can wrap her whiny voice around before I have to switch it off.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
I'm confident that Obama will win this election. We can't let up when he's in office. It's our only path out of this mess, he isn't perfect, but god-damn he is so much better the mctraitor and the moose hunter.... by far!!
So when Obama gets in office, we must not let up.
BTW, is there a progressive voice coming from the Obama camp? Or is he still stuck on the "centrist" meme???
petefitSD
· 1 year ago
watching palin on cnn right now... here is her speech: change we'll reform washington obama doesnt support the troops b/c he doesn't say victory
okay, but would you please tell us HOW you plan to initiate changes?
she just said that McCain doesn't 'run with the washington crowd'...WTF? does that mean the campaign has fired/released all of the lobbyists on the payroll; McCain's campaign IS the washington crowd
plus right now with markets around the world tanking we need a leader who can build consensus (something the R's have been completely incapable of) rather than just rattle the saber of being a 'maverick'
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Pete, this puppet is doing well in her "speech'ifing" is'n't she??
The failure of the follow up question will never get your HOW answered. You wont get that from this treasonous media. We should mind splain for a short second and then go back and attack mccain...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
McCain is and always have been part of Washington. This article was published in 1989 and despite being absolved by Congress this Arizona paper was having none of it. The artilce discusses his Keating 5 participation but more importantly it goes to his character then and now. You could substitute 2008 instead of 1989 and the article is applicable today.
That is the JOB of moderator to make SURE the candidates don't just "blow you off"
A quick, "Mrs. Palin please stop ignoring my questions," could have worked nicely.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Huh, I wonder which fits GAwful??
--------------------------------------------- mod·er·ate Pronunciation: \ˈmä-d(ə-)rət\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin moderatus, from past participle of moderare to moderate; akin to Latin modus measure Date: 15th century
and the Repubs would have cried and whined and blubbered... In other words the story would have been about how that biased negro moderator made Ms. Palin flub up her answers... as it stands, Ms. Palin is THE ISSUE... just accept what a beautiful result came from letting Ms. Palin yip and yap on her talking points...
She moved undecideds AWAY from her and to Obama / Biden. She reinforced her "suitability" cred... (more folks on all sides think she's not qualified) And she came off as "just another phony politician", folks aren't buying the down home, hockey mom schick.
I'd say that Ifill, though unintended, did precisely what was needed... She got out of Palin's way and let her sink herself...
SCLiberal
· 1 year ago
"Mr. Rove noted on Fox that "this race is susceptible to rapid changes and we're likely to see, in the remaining four weeks, more changes."
Which indicates to me that he knows something is going to happen because he has orchestrated it. Since the only thing they have to sell is fear, it will probably be some kind of "terrorist" event. So predictable.
driver1076
· 1 year ago
Rove is a little sawed off nazi twit who should be shackeled on the front lawn of the white house and let every person in this country kick in right in the ASS, Why isnt he behind bars anyhow....
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
I'm very interested in the polls this next few weeks....as people receive their 401k statements.
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
Monday's open: DOW drops like a rock - down 307. Karl's drawing up his xmas wish list...
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
down 450.72 as of 9 am pdt.
Bubbles
· 1 year ago
I suppose that now that the bailouts in place Rove is confident their wont be any more shocks before November 4 and by then the bailout will be ancient history.
This is the ancient Republican response to deep economic depression: denial; "in the long run everything will work out all right ("in the long run we're all dead); "The economy is fundamentally sound" and so on.
This is why they are still trying to turn back the new deal. They still think the new deal was an over reaction to a down turn. The republican's problem is that they feel no real pain. There lives are fine. They can ride it out.
Let Rove think that. They don't feel pain.
sazerac
· 1 year ago
"Rove barely eked out a victory in Ohio in 2004 when Bush made national security the dominant issue."
You forgot to add, "and then stole the election in Ohio."
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Absolutely correct. that's a failure of the DEMS to not push this meme hard enough....
If the subversion of the vote occurs, then we have no democracy....
BINGO! Undoubtedly Rove and Company have the same plan in place for this election, and those would be the "polls" he's reading.
benb
· 1 year ago
When Rove says he's looking at 68 polls a week for Governor, House, and Senate, it sounds like he's working on Plan B----Dems will win the White House so keep enough Republicans in office to gum up the works in Washington.
The Governor thing is strange. Is Rove counting on making sure a Republican gov is in office to appoint a replacement Republican if the current office holder suddenly retires? Ted Stevens, maybe?
EmGD
· 1 year ago
He's right, I hear McCain has David Copperfield constructing a large cape that he will place over the economy.......and make it disappear.
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AS THE financial crisis pushes the economy back to the top of voters’ concerns, Barack Obama is starting to open up a clear lead over John McCain in the opinion polls. But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama’s lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/dis...
"With a month to go and the poll numbers down, the McCain campaign is playing the guilt by association card, and that’s leaving some conservatives uneasy."
[ . . . ]
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/...
AND we have to make sure that while we're all looking where he points, he's not somewhere else pulling dirty tricks. I think the Obama campaign has Rove's number.
It reminds me of when Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress in the 90's were planning to drastically cut access to subsidized housing for immigrants. Elderly Jewish immigrants who'd been rescued from anti-Semitic attacks in Russia were jumping out of highrises killing themselves because they'd been rescued from one hell only to find that the Republicans were ready to make them homeless here. I remember those panicked days well.
I know three or four people who are worried about their jobs right now--and these are educated white collar employees.
There's no way this will be over before the election....heck, it might not be over before the 2010 election.
We do have to beware voter fraund, electronic voting, etc. We should not forget the great unwashed Redneck group who are nuts enough to do anything but have Obama in the White House, they scare me a lot too.
We pledge faith and observance of Christian beliefs (whatever they are) and yet are hypocritical and caustic in our actions. Anyway I have strayed from your comment.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Federal Reserve announced Monday it will double to $300 billion the amount of money it will make available to the nation's banks in return for a wide range of damaged collateral.
y while U.S. stock futures also fell.
Say what you want about them, but they can talk kitchen-table economics like nobody else.
Thanks for the contribution.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_flack/archiv...
Every Monday here in Tokyo I teach on the history of music in Tang-
period China to a class of only 4 students at a small private college
(a part-time position that I have in addition to my regular one).
Today discussion turned to the way that history is written by the
winners, and what might have happened in music history if a certain
Emperor hadn't met an unfortunate end. Next minute the students were
getting animated about the upcoming US election. I was surprised
(happily) by their knowledge of the issues and the candidates. I had
to get the class back on track, but it was a refreshing and
reassuring 5-minute derailment!
So much for Bush 1,000 year reich.
http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/hanna.html
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=oT8OAAAA...
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Since 2003 I have told my readers that the destruction of the U.S. economy was planned, essential and a foregone conclusion. It has to do with Peak Oil. There is no economy without energy. The world is running out of oil faster than almost anyone had predicted. Even previously optimistic opponents of Peak Oil have acknowledged that global decline is now between 5.8% and 9% per year. That means that if the world produces 85 million barrels per day this year, it will possibly produce less than 80 Mbpd next year. Demand destruction is conserving a resource for which there is no replacement and this is what has always been intended. An $8 drop in price today has done nothing to reignite demand. The United States, with 5% of the world's population using a quarter of the world's oil, was/is the ONLY point of demand destruction available that will save human industrialized civilization. I have said that consistently for many years. I told you that the real Powers That Be had gotten or would get their money out and safe before they crashed everything. They did... It was your money. It was our money.
His whole strategy was based on getting every last vote out of the base, which is OK if you have a growing base (like the Democrats do), but the Repubs have a shrinking base.
It was about the dumbest thing they could have done over the long term.
Then again, Repubs don't think about the long term much.
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Those who read FTW for years know that time after time, and year after year my predictions have been proven correct. The United States economy is being deliberately destroyed. The fact that it was Republican House members who blocked the bailout today confirms that they are helping the Bush Administration complete its last mission before leaving office: the complete destruction of the American economy and the financial crippling of the American people. I believe the intent is, and has been, to leave a newcomer African-American president with an economy on life support which will expire early in his watch. Every Obama campaign ad that now promises to "turn the economy around" only tightens the noose around his neck. The subconscious "Jerome Corsi" message is, "Blame the backs" next year when you get it that the Great Depression was a picnic compared to what is coming.
I still can't believe the American people elected someone who destroyed EVERY DAMNED BUSINESS he touched become what he coined "the CEO President." I know Bu$h was hoping things would work out since he was using the awesome power of the U.S. Treasury and he could then brag to Mom and Dad he was finally a success. Instead, past is prologue and he DESTROYED our economy with the help of neocons who thought the Iraq War was somehow going to "Pay for itself."
Modern day Fireside Chats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxkrm9uEJk&feat...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pali...
So when Obama gets in office, we must not let up.
BTW, is there a progressive voice coming from the Obama camp? Or is he still stuck on the "centrist" meme???
here is her speech:
change
we'll reform washington
obama doesnt support the troops b/c he doesn't say victory
okay, but would you please tell us HOW you plan to initiate changes?
she just said that McCain doesn't 'run with the washington crowd'...WTF?
does that mean the campaign has fired/released all of the lobbyists on the payroll; McCain's campaign IS the washington crowd
plus right now with markets around the world tanking we need a leader who can build consensus (something the R's have been completely incapable of) rather than just rattle the saber of being a 'maverick'
The failure of the follow up question will never get your HOW answered. You wont get that from this treasonous media. We should mind splain for a short second and then go back and attack mccain...
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/ifill-...
That is the JOB of moderator to make SURE the candidates don't just "blow you off"
A quick, "Mrs. Palin please stop ignoring my questions," could have worked nicely.
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mod·er·ate
Pronunciation:
\ˈmä-d(ə-)rət\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin moderatus, from past participle of moderare to moderate; akin to Latin modus measure
Date:
15th century
1 a: avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits b: calm , temperate
2 a: tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension b: having average or less than average quality : mediocre
3: professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme
4: limited in scope or effect
5: not expensive : reasonable or low in price
6 of a color : of medium lightness and medium chroma
She moved undecideds AWAY from her and to Obama / Biden.
She reinforced her "suitability" cred... (more folks on all sides think she's not qualified)
And she came off as "just another phony politician", folks aren't buying the down home, hockey mom schick.
I'd say that Ifill, though unintended, did precisely what was needed... She got out of Palin's way and let her sink herself...
Which indicates to me that he knows something is going to happen because he has orchestrated it. Since the only thing they have to sell is fear, it will probably be some kind of "terrorist" event. So predictable.
Karl's drawing up his xmas wish list...
This is the ancient Republican response to deep economic depression: denial; "in the long run everything will work out all right ("in the long run we're all dead); "The economy is fundamentally sound" and so on.
This is why they are still trying to turn back the new deal. They still think the new deal was an over reaction to a down turn. The republican's problem is that they feel no real pain. There lives are fine. They can ride it out.
Let Rove think that. They don't feel pain.
You forgot to add, "and then stole the election in Ohio."
If the subversion of the vote occurs, then we have no democracy....
Diebold: The Untold Story
http://mustbefed.com/2007/09/06/deboldthe-real-...
The Governor thing is strange. Is Rove counting on making sure a Republican gov is in office to appoint a replacement Republican if the current office holder suddenly retires? Ted Stevens, maybe?
http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/