AMERICAblog: Rumsfeld sent Bush creepy Top Secret religious updates about the Iraq war
mtiffany
· 6 months ago
If the GQ article proves anything it proves just how dangerous religion is when it is welded to political power. We need to fight harder to keep church and state separate. My personal preference would be to end the threat of theonomy once and for all and kill the church outright and suppress religion. Allow me to paraphrase something I stumbled upon a while ago: "Christianity is just the belief that some Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and then telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master. In return he will remove an evil force from your soul that was put there when some rib-woman who is also your great-great-grandmother on all sides of your family was conned by a talking snake into eating fruit from a magical tree." How is it that anyone can possibly expect people who believe this nonsense to make good decisions? And how is anyone surprised when it turns out that people who believe this nonsense also turn out to be too easily manipulated? This is what America voted for! Twice!
AdmNaismith
· 6 months ago
How is this different than the 'inspirational' taliban and al qaida DVDs and such? But because it;s Jesus, it;ll all get a free pass. My oly regret is that I will never live long enough to see the day when stuff like this is seen for the mental illness it really is.
jixter
· 6 months ago
Mental illness. B.I.N.G.O
bkmn
· 6 months ago
Also read Steve Benen's take on Rummy's resistance to deploying active duty troops after Katrina:
Amazing, "Bush, the Urn" was a receptive reservoir for Rumsfeld to pour more "religious- rah-rah" into it. He drank up the kool-aid with the best of them!
cowboyneok
· 6 months ago
Rumsfeld also stopped helicopters from saving people after Katrina:
I'm waiting for, "but....but...but... Nancy Pelosi!!!!" from the right wing.
mtiffany
· 6 months ago
You forgot to throw in the implicit homophobic allusion about her being from San Francisco.
cowboyneok
· 6 months ago
oh, you are right. Thanks for the reminder, Tiffany.
okojo
· 6 months ago
One person who doesn't really want to divulge his close relationship with Rumsfeld, and has much more in stake in changing the subject, is Newt Gingrich.
The Republicans are using Nancy Pelosi as a punching bag, because it is a safer target to attack than a President with pretty high approval ratings.
I am waiting for the inevitable Clinton comparison by the right tards. I especially like wing nutters demanding Pelosi resign.
tbhull
· 6 months ago
I have no problem with Nancy Pelosi getting thrown under the bus. I pray a tire crushes the skull of her political career in the process. The same can be said for Harry Reid. Pelosi is a wealthy limosuine lib lacking any scruples. she might as well be a repub. She did nothing, i mean absolutely nothing, to hold Bush in check. Hell, she might as well have been Bush's chief of staff. Pelosi is a fucking fraud and deserves nothing but the worst.
woodroad34
· 6 months ago
I have to agree with you. I'm not sure if you're from California or not, but those of us here are not all that happy with her or Dianne Feinstein. As you say, they're corporate Dems/Limousine Liberals. And I'd just as soon see them both go.
Indigo
· 6 months ago
I'm not certain which is more disgusting, that Bush fell for that slimy crap or that Rumsfeld thought it was an appropriate way of communicating with Bush.
Jymn
· 6 months ago
Nucking futs! Separation of church and state is not in these guys' rule books. Just power and whatever it takes to keep it.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 6 months ago
As Mahatma Ghandi was wont to say...
"I like your Jesus Christ. I don't like your Christians, as they are so unlike your Jesus Christ."
houstonray
· 6 months ago
"Creepy" doesn't even begin to describe it...Yikes!
Matt, love you, but I think the links to your blog might be better if they were actually links to things we were discussing :-) Otherwise they come off a bit spammy ;-) Happy for you to share some links, just try to keep them on topic to the thread in question. Thanks, JOHN
okojo
· 6 months ago
I read the GQ article online after seeing a little about from the "Daily Beast" website.
Rumsfeld comes across bad in the article, but he was performing the same petty swipes and backstabbing as he did during the Ford Administration. President George W. Bush could had called up his dad and get an earful on how awful it is to work with or under Rumsfeld.
Who comes across even worse in the article is President George W. Bush. Mainly he let Rumsfeld continue to be Sec of Defense as he continued to wreck havoc in the bureaucracy and in policy meetings. Rumsfeld should had been fired before 9/11 given some of his antics with JCS and the Army.
What is flabbergasting of this piece is Bush for letting some shocking policy decisions and Rumsfeld's behavior to continue . Rumsfeld was well known that he didn't play well with others in the sandbox and refused to share his toys.
If Bush is thinking his "legacy" will get better after he leaves office, guess again, it is getting worse.
Gregory Lyons
· 6 months ago
Somehow I feel a tiny bit more comfortable when I consider that everything that an absolute monster like Bush is lying about everything, even his own beliefs. This kind of religion is such rat ass insanity... Evidences of sincerity are creepy.
Older_Wiser
· 6 months ago
Good grief, we were right. It WAS a crusade. That wasn't a slip by Bush at all.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 6 months ago
Rumsfeld masterfully manipulated a dyslexic, ADHD, dry drunk who needed to answer to his "Higher Power."
What excuse does Obama have for continuing the bloody occupations of two Muslim countries?
Mockrin2
· 6 months ago
Just goes to prove that Christianity is just as war-like as the religious right likes to portray Islam. Theocracy equals death - the reason for the separation of church and state.
KISWF
· 6 months ago
Wait until you see the new US Passports. In the back section of the passport where you get your passport stamped when you travel to a foreign country they have background prints of the various landmarks and at the top of the page are statements about how god created some of the landmarks.
Mini Clover
· 6 months ago
Are you serious? (I should be getting my passport soon...) Please tell me you're kidding.
tbhull
· 6 months ago
Rumsfeld was simply playing a dumb fucking fundie fuck son of a privileged walrus in pearls like Pearlman plays a Strativarius.
theo
· 6 months ago
Point taken, but that's "Perlman" and "Stradivarius"! :)
tbhull
· 6 months ago
I am George Bush.
nicho
· 6 months ago
Just when you think you understand just how whacked these people really are, they go and dive deeper into the cesspool.
RevDrBillyBob
· 6 months ago
This was never, basically, a religious war; it was always a war about securing a chunk of oil resources and a base for a military presence. However, a "religious war for civilization" IS how the war was SOLD.
NAVDOC3rdMAR
· 6 months ago
Fucking Assholes!
SEMPER FI!
Sifu
· 6 months ago
1 Peter 2 15 completely out of context. Here is sounds like he should silence people. In context without the rewording, it instead advises Christians to Obey all of the rules set by the local government, plainly and clearly, so that no rumors would be made of you.
A total twist of Scripture.
Joshua 1 9 Rumsfeld's second twisting of scripture, placed with photos of war machines, sounds here, like you should boldly attack. In context however is tells you to obey the laws so that you will prosper and can be unafraid. (Joshua was Moses' Priest, who wrote down the initial laws of the tribes fresh out of Egypt)
Looks to me like Rumsfeld used two sets of scripture telling you to obey the law, in order to reinforce Bush's not obeying the law.
Nice Rummy, nice.
Queer_Canuck
· 6 months ago
Jesus wept.
waguy
· 6 months ago
Huh. Such a juicy story, and not a peep from the rest of the librul media....
Something that might be worth investigating is the planning process for the 9/11 memorial service that took place in the national cathedral on 9/14/2001. Specifically, as the TV coverage began, the very first hymn was...wait for it.... Onward Christian Soldiers. I knew right then and there that the selling of the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush Crusades had started. I didn't even bother watching the rest of the event. Anybody in DC have contacts that could look into how this was organized?
Why isn't he in a mental hospital somewhere? Did he inhale too much drug dust while at G.D. Searle & Co?
Constant Comment
· 6 months ago
I'm curious: I know there have been Rumsfeld spottings of late on public transportation (of all things), but does anyone know what kind of evil he is perpetrating as we speak?
cantyoureadthesigns
· 6 months ago
Sweet Jeebus, this is beyond the pale.
Louisa
· 6 months ago
can't - politely said. If I were to say what's on my mind regarding this subject matter I'd be banned for life.
Pathetic doesn't even come close.
lark83
· 6 months ago
I'm a retired AF officer and I NEVER saw anything that creepy. Bible quotes on intelligence documents?
This country really took a downward turn when Bush and his creepy nutjobs took over the country.
keith
· 6 months ago
The blind leading another blind.
JohnNation
· 6 months ago
As time goes by and more and more info comes out about the Bush years, I'm finding I was pretty spot on in my assessment that Bush was an easily manipulated buffoon that was placed in power by people that had the REAL agenda.
He was just placated and had his ego stroked so the real players could achieve their goals.
CarolAll
· 6 months ago
It's no surprise that the "war on terror" was waged as a Christian crusade. Like rendition, detention, and tortore, the directives came down from the top levels of government, and they were ordered for more reasons than just "keeping us safe."
With their Christian god on their side, Bush, Rumsfeld, Addington, and other fundamentalist neo-cons, defied our laws, our system of government, and condoned war, torture (even homicide), to spread more than "democracy and freedom" to Iraq and Afghanistan. These report covers need to reach the MSM. They should be aired alongside recent videotape of military leaders sending soldiers out with stacks of bibles in Pashtu and other languages to "hunt for souls" in Afghanistan and Iraq. Over the past 8 years, the influence of the religious right in the military has become pervasive. Military non-Christians find themselves on the outside of the system. Bush waged unnecessary war, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent victims, and tortured and killed thousands of detainees as part of a righteous crusade.
To undo the layers of damage done to U.S. standing in the world is going to take generations. What Americans need to do is to make sure that every detail of what the Bush Administration did, how they did it, how they got away with it, and how they conspired to cover their butts is brought to light.
truebluecoondog
· 6 months ago
BOMBS FOR JESUS!!!
THIS, ladies and gentlemen, makes my stomach turn. WTF???
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Allow me to paraphrase something I stumbled upon a while ago: "Christianity is just the belief that some Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and then telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master. In return he will remove an evil force from your soul that was put there when some rib-woman who is also your great-great-grandmother on all sides of your family was conned by a talking snake into eating fruit from a magical tree."
How is it that anyone can possibly expect people who believe this nonsense to make good decisions?
And how is anyone surprised when it turns out that people who believe this nonsense also turn out to be too easily manipulated?
This is what America voted for! Twice!
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/indiv...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/17/732410/...
The Republicans are using Nancy Pelosi as a punching bag, because it is a safer target to attack than a President with pretty high approval ratings.
I am waiting for the inevitable Clinton comparison by the right tards. I especially like wing nutters demanding Pelosi resign.
"I like your Jesus Christ. I don't like your Christians, as they are so unlike your Jesus Christ."
-Conservatives are stretching their vocal chords in preparation for screaming bloody murder over Obama's Supreme Court nominee, no matter who it is:
http://yellingatthemoon.com/2009/05/17/conserva...
Rumsfeld comes across bad in the article, but he was performing the same petty swipes and backstabbing as he did during the Ford Administration. President George W. Bush could had called up his dad and get an earful on how awful it is to work with or under Rumsfeld.
Who comes across even worse in the article is President George W. Bush. Mainly he let Rumsfeld continue to be Sec of Defense as he continued to wreck havoc in the bureaucracy and in policy meetings. Rumsfeld should had been fired before 9/11 given some of his antics with JCS and the Army.
What is flabbergasting of this piece is Bush for letting some shocking policy decisions and Rumsfeld's behavior to continue . Rumsfeld was well known that he didn't play well with others in the sandbox and refused to share his toys.
If Bush is thinking his "legacy" will get better after he leaves office, guess again, it is getting worse.
This kind of religion is such rat ass insanity...
Evidences of sincerity are creepy.
What excuse does Obama have for continuing the bloody occupations of two Muslim countries?
SEMPER FI!
A total twist of Scripture.
Joshua 1 9 Rumsfeld's second twisting of scripture, placed with photos of war machines, sounds here, like you should boldly attack. In context however is tells you to obey the laws so that you will prosper and can be unafraid. (Joshua was Moses' Priest, who wrote down the initial laws of the tribes fresh out of Egypt)
Looks to me like Rumsfeld used two sets of scripture telling you to obey the law, in order to reinforce Bush's not obeying the law.
Nice Rummy, nice.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1210139/r...
f*ckin CRUSADISTICS!
helps the war crimes go down
the war crimes go down
the war crimes go down
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1210139/s...
Why isn't he in a mental hospital somewhere? Did he inhale too much drug dust while at G.D. Searle & Co?
Pathetic doesn't even come close.
This country really took a downward turn when Bush and his creepy nutjobs took over the country.
He was just placated and had his ego stroked so the real players could achieve their goals.
With their Christian god on their side, Bush, Rumsfeld, Addington, and other fundamentalist neo-cons, defied our laws, our system of government, and condoned war, torture (even homicide), to spread more than "democracy and freedom" to Iraq and Afghanistan. These report covers need to reach the MSM. They should be aired alongside recent videotape of military leaders sending soldiers out with stacks of bibles in Pashtu and other languages to "hunt for souls" in Afghanistan and Iraq. Over the past 8 years, the influence of the religious right in the military has become pervasive. Military non-Christians find themselves on the outside of the system. Bush waged unnecessary war, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent victims, and tortured and killed thousands of detainees as part of a righteous crusade.
To undo the layers of damage done to U.S. standing in the world is going to take generations. What Americans need to do is to make sure that every detail of what the Bush Administration did, how they did it, how they got away with it, and how they conspired to cover their butts is brought to light.
THIS, ladies and gentlemen, makes my stomach turn. WTF???