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Reaction in Alaska to Sarah's selection as Veep isn't favorable either:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/129...
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-gallery/story/...
who looks 7+ months pregnant in this picture.
of hers---yes, that's a bloated uterus!!!
And on young girls, pregnancy doesn't show as much,
so this would be realistic... But why wouldn't she cover
up with a big fluffy sweater?
I'm sure there's not much to do in Wasilla, other than
screw around!
As for Palin's fertility, she's obviously quite able, BUT
at age 44 when she's devoted to her ambitions? Odd.
If anything, it would seem to be at most a 5-month tummy, not 7+... but then, everyone is different. But if she had been pregnant, I don't think they would have had her pose in that position, from that angle, and with that top on, especially it they were trying to hide it.
Sarah definitely doesn't look pregnant either, although she's the one wearing the straight-hanging, fluffy fleece vest.
I can read men pretty well but I'm not so good with women, but I've seen a half dozen interveiws of this woman and I get the feeling she is a pathological liar. Certainly six or seven sound bites isn't much of a vetting process but I'm pretty convinced there is much less there than meets the eye. With all the qualified Republican candidates who would be good Vice Presidents, we could have seen much better. What a mind-numbing choice.
She's opposed to the right to choose an abortion even in cases of rape or incest. That, and her global warming denial, should be the lines of attack.
Not to mention her support for Buchanan!
Do you even HEAR yourself???
Case in point, the term "knocked up" has creepy connotations and is disrespectful to women IMHO. Yes, the right is ripe with HYPOCRISY and their take on women's rights is abysmal, but we should not do what we accuse the other side of doing.
Even though it may be a bit touchy at first, I do think we need to think about our language when discussing this stuff. In our passion for honesty, we don't want to insult the very people (women) who are with us in the fight.
I know, I know - hypocrisy and all that - I just think that all this sex nonsense shouldn't have anything to do with our politics and so, hypocrisy or not, wish we didn't perpetuate the practice
However I am suggesting that maybe you should reconsider further threads about her first born's legitimacy. That is concerning stuff (such as timing of birth: prematurity) of which we are unaware. However her last birth IS questionable and warranting investigation considering her FAR right wing reach.
Just saying that we don't want to alienate those who agree with us in premise but might take offense to terminology (especially). Case in point was someone in this thread used the term "knocked up" and that term is disrespectful to women.
I use to listen to Dr. Laura....and the one thing I remember was that she was VERY VERY against women going back to work after having a baby.
When Palin had her last baby....she went back to work as Mayor the next day......yes...the next day
So, I can just imagine what Dr. Laura MUST me thinking now of Palin being a Gov with a 4 month old.....but NOW...running for VP.
Just a thought of the ramifications of what the GOP is against.
Palin also said that her son is being deployed on Sept 11th, so does she believe the lie about the connection between 9-11 and Iraq.
So is Palin Harriet or Brownie? Heck-of-a -job Palin
PLEASE- attack on issues, not on sexism.
No one claimed reverse sexism when Larry Craig was visiting strangers in the men's room at the airport. It was the hypocrisy.
If Clinton can be impeached for a consusual, gods-damned, blow-job, Palin can be thrown off the ticket for covering up the maternity of her children. It speaks to her lying and hypocrisy.
If you attack female candidates the same way you would attack a male candidate, it's seen as sexism because she's a woman being criticized by a man. I am positive that this same issue would be brought up if McCain's VP choice were a male religious kook. This issue is about hypocricy and there is nothing sexist about it.
The fact is that some women are sensitive to the idea of men criticizing women even when the content itself is not sexist in the least. Just because some perceive these critiques to be sexist doesn't mean that they are.
Hell, they let Mark Foley fuck the children. That wasn't even an ethics violation....was it, Doc Hastings?
I can see why you are not comfortable. Her child was not born out of wedlock. Dobson and his ilk may frown on conception out of wedlock but they go ballistic if "born out of wedlock". I don't think this issue should be an issue. If you were going to go after an issue, I would rather see you hit on the irresponsible behavior of Palin to board Alaska Airlines in Texas, while in active labor, to give birth in Alaska. The birth of the fifth child remains abounds with rumors BUT it is no rumor about her flying to Alaska from Texas. It is no rumor that she had tests done prior to delivery that probably showed this fifth child to have Downs Syndrome.
Now why would any mother risk the life of her child or herself to fly from Texas to Alaska (about 4,000 miles)? She could have had her baby in Texas without risk but she did not do that. It was, in my opinion, a terrible decision on her part. It goes deeper in than if Palin is willing to risk her life or the child's life what would she risk if she became president?
My, the story of her fifth child is so delicious I could eat it with a spoon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24213499/
You know the part(s) of this thing that are most questionable are the issue of how she never told anyone (even at 7 months), the fact that NO one thought she even looked a bit chubby, the thought that her daughter of 16 at the time was suddenly home from school for mono and that Sarah acted so amazingly strong in having her baby and going to work the next day. In the world in which I live, that is RIDICULOUS!
Her youngest infants birth IS an issue for investigation I think, especially in lieu of her staunch religious right preaching and ideology.
Sarah never told anyone she was pregnant (at 7 months no less), no one said she even looked a bit portly and then voila, her water broke (turn your head ole men with weak tummies) and then she finished her meeting, ran off to deliver the tyke and then magically went to work the very next day. All of this is suspicious in story line, timing and human behavior. Her oldest daughter at the time, was 16 and was home from school for mono for a number of months.
Now, all of this is salacious stuff, could it be true or if it is true is all up for investigation and discussion I suspect. But I really feel kind of creepy when you challenge her first son's birth as you have here, but my feeling creepy needn't stop investigation nor discussion...just sayin'...
I was wondering if their children were home-schooled or something. A pregnant teen is hard to hide if they go out in public at all.
People should be help up to the same standards they put on other people. If someone like Palin is comfortable passing judgment on complete strangers 'in toto', she should be honored to be told how well she is upholding her very own standards.
If she is allowed to tel me what to do in my private life, I am allowed to tell her what to do. It totally works both ways.
What's the correlation, Mrs. Palin?
This is just a fucking insane weekend even discussing this unimportant woman. She should only stay up there and run the Alaskan PTA
Ditto having the kid in her 40's, despite the risk. Full quiver and all that.
These people are the MASTERS of cognitive dissonance. There's plenty of ideological fodder to attack her with. That is, if it isn't better just to go over her head and attack McCain.
Doing the nasty + insemination + unmarried = filthy, Godless, Democrat values.
It's the GOP Double Standard, which must be accepted and not questioned.
I think you mean McCain here, not Cheney.
Man, I don't know. Seems like there's some weird stuff going on in this family.
Have to say, though, I'm a little queasy. Not because of the Fundies--I like throwing stuff in their faces--but because the Hillary people are really starting to get an attitude about this on the other blogs, and the last thing we need is another civil war 60 days from the election.
Guess I'll just keep quiet on the personal stuff and jump in on the threads that talk about her lack of professional experience and accomplishments and laughable reputation as a "reformer."
I also think that McCain's not properly vetting this very strange person, Sarah Palin, is going to bite him on the ass bigtime.
This is about a woman's right to not only choose whether to reproduce, but her absolute right to get facual, unbiased information on all matters of sexuality, reproduction and contraception wheever she begins to consider acting on her own sexuality. Add to this the right to know solid science and real medicine when she puts herself at risk of an STD or worse yet, HIV/AIDS.
Sarah Palin is the poster child of the movement that would deny our sisters, daughters and friends these rights. Hell, her life seems to be an illustration of what can go wrong when one clings to willful ignorance and fundamentalist syllopism. She seems more and more like a trashy sitcom from the WB or FOX. To remain silent about these issues is to encourage more of the same, and that is killing and harming untold numbers among us.
If she was a private person, I say, let her be. But she is on the verge of being nominated V.P., one election away from being V.P. and one fatal illness away from possibly being President.
and we can't discuss this topic of sex in 2008?
PLEASE.......
This woman is sly like a fox.....
And McCain never really met her until yesterday.. amazing how desperate the Republicans are.
But others ARE comfortable!
Look they have the new McCainPulin ad!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5mxw-sYc_F0/SLmZO-u30...
Obama and we are going to have megaFUN on the way to a Democratic Presidential victory!
I think a real focus on her should be her image of a reformer and a person of ethics and integrity when on first glance she seems to be just more of the same and seems to learned well from her republican masters.
On another note I heard on CNN today someone being interviewed in the RNC ( I was in the car ) who said "why should we care who he picks for his VP - the VP is traditionally a ceremonial position"
I yelled at the top of my lungs at the car radio ...'Where the F-uck were you for the past 7 years !"
1) Yes, she made a mistake and had sex before marriage, but accepted responsibility, got married, and had the baby (i.e. didn't abort). And she was discreet and decent enough not to want a regular church wedding or, since she had sinned, a white wedding gown (which would have been in bad taste).
2) She found Jesus, saw the light, repented for her sin, and was forgiven. Now she wants to help all young girls recognize the sinfulness and risks inherent in premarital sex and the virtues of chastity. In other words, abstinance for all.
3) Her marriage is so successful, solid, and loving that she and her husband went on to have 4 more beautiful children. And she doesn't even use birth control so she even had a late pregnancy, but lovingly accepted the result.
So John, it might not do any good to focus on this aspect.
The very people who would likely respond to your three points, are almost exactly the same pepple who would never vote for Obama/Biden in 2008. No way, no how. Questioning Palin's judgement, personal life choices, and overt cases of hypocrisy is a tactic in a strategy aimed at minimizing the GOP effort to make this woman out to be an attractive MOTHER COURAGE figure to the independent, less fanatical women and men out there. McCain's campaign is alreay softening the ground to argue that she is the best Eliza Dolittle out there for on-the-job training. Plucky, salt-of-the-earth, fearless and a quick study with a good heart. We need to reveal her to be more like Tonya Harding than Audry Hepburn.
My question, whether or not her first son was conceived before she married, is how is she going to be able to give her 4-month-old special-needs baby all the nurturing and maternal care he needs while she's on the campaign trail, with all the energy, stress, study, and traveling it entails? This was not the time of her life to accept a position like this (apart from the fact that she should have had the integrity to recognize her limitations as far as her qualifications and experience are concerned; and McCain should have had the decency and delicacy not to even ask her).
All this sharply focuses my mind on Obama's central strength. His ambition is filtered through an amazing thoughtful and intelligent gift of good judgment. Unlike Bush or McCain, its not a matter of simply acting decisively and impulsively to the pronouncements of one's gut. What we call "gut" in their cases is too nebulous to depend upon. Obama's judgment seems far more solid, more reality-based. In contrast to what we are fearing about Palin and her newbie son, Obama seems to have worked out an effective arrangement with his own daughters through the help of his wife and her own village circle made up of Michelle's own mother, various aunties and others. And we can go on and on about what Joe Biden has done to be with his children when they needed him. Obama may lack a depth of experience, but, Gods and Goddesses willing, the American people will see that he gets it right when it counts.
Larry Hernandez (Upland Oddball)
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Subject: [americablog] Re: Sarah Palin and children conceived out of wedlock -an uncomfortable question needs to be posed
http://www.mahalo.com/Sarah_Palin_Pregnancy_Rumors
THEY = McCain and his minions
okay, ignore that rumor for a bit.
how does the religious right feel about a new mother staying away from her children when they need them? developmental years and all... her youngest has Downs Syndrome and will need all of her attention.
how does the religious right feel about that? will she institutionalize Trig? let her husband worry about bringing up the kids for the next four years?
how does that sit well with the religious right?
Ignore it or denigrate those who question the entirety of it and put it to bed (until November of course).
Wonder why she wants him on the front lines?
Hypocrisy has done this to the GOP, not us.
I support Obama too, but I still think that Mark Foley should have been cited for sucking off the children. Don't you?
The religious right said nothing....AGAIN!
this is not going to accomplish anything constructive but make our side look
like mud throwers. I could certainly be wrong though. And when I first replied
the April 20th date had not been uncovered yet. I would have felt better about
the initial article if you had known when the kid was actually born. Let's be
honest here, Dobson etc. are not going to turn on her for this. No way no how.
All it will do is make her a martyr in my opinion.
In answer, yes her water broke while in Texas.
http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2008/04/alaskan...
I personally don't know of ANY other woman who ever had her water break, finish a meeting, fly back to another state, deliver her child and then go to work the next day. Sounds like super-unbelievable-woman to me.
how about pictures of her daughter during sarah's 8th-9th month? oh, that's right, she had Mono so... not in public for photo-ops with the family.
did she go on any roller-coasters, ride a mechanical bull... or maybe partake skydiving as well while in Texas?
I REALLY think someone should ask dobson et. al. how they feel about a new mother with a special needs baby taking on the challenge of VP... and possibly President.
The religious right doesn't like women outside the home when they have a 'family'... what about a new baby?
they're constantly saying children need "both a mother and a father"... how is this going to be possible?
Palin's daughter Bristol supposedly stayed out of school for several months during the past school year, citing a case of mononeucleosis to explain her absence.
Is it normal to allow a child with mono around a pregnant woman?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/...
Maybe the youngest isn't her son but her grandson...More concerns with the abbreviated vetting -- she's going to make Eagleton look like a brilliant VP choice.
I lived there a while in Wasilla. When folks ask me to describe Alaskans I tell them:
Most of them seem to be folks who left Alabama because they thought that law against marrying your sister was WAY to strict.
These kinds of 'problems' are only used to point out the 'horrors' of the non-believers to the true-believers
Oh my GOD.
POEHLER BEAR.
I am a comedy genius.
I'm betting she stayed in the same home and mono was the cover-up.
In 1988 Gov. Michael Dukakis was asked by Bernard Shaw at a debate, "Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?"
Dukakis replied, "No, I don't, and I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life."
This question was very coarse and the response turned many people off to Dukakis.
Someone needs to give Gov. Wire Hanger Palin a Dukakis-style, Willie Horton moment in 2008: "Governor Palin, if your youngest daughter with down's syndrome was beaten, raped, and became pregnant as a young girl of 12 (and the pregnancy gravely endangered her life) would you refuse to let her get a abortion and just let her die from the effects of the pregnancy to support your pro-life beliefs?
them report it. Nor did I hear Hannity bring it up in his so called "interview" of her. Infact when I
think about it I really did not hear the mainstream reports about Sarah's pregnancy either!
This is barely more than 24 hours after the announcement of her candidacy and you have uncovered this. Leads me to wonder what else is out there about Sarah Palin?
I do, however, think Daddy Dobson should be skewered with this question.
or---
Sarah Palin is a member of the Talibangelical movement. She believes she is a soldier in an army to force Americans to worship God the way she worships via Presidential or Executive fiat. Its as extreme, and dangerous to the American way of life, as the Taliban muslim movement...
Examples like the above actually penetrate the mental fog of some Republicans. One has to always remember most of them pulled the lever TWICE for a man they wanted to drink beer with! They have ZERO judgment and make their decisions based on emotion rather than logic.
Well now, isn't that cute as I "met" Alan about 16-17years ago. Alan, since you just might be watching, HELLO THERE!
It doesn't matter if they've had children out of wedlock, done abortions, had homosexual sex or even if they're pedophiles as long as they're "saved" and all is forgiven now. They actually eat that shit up, since it makes them feel that a politician is "one of them" because he or she has "overcome" their sins.
There's no logic to the way that religious wingnuts think.
With Palin, her record on issues and lack of experience, along with McCain's age and other issues, will probably give more independent-leaning and more rational "values voters" tipping towards the Dems or staying home. But there's always going to be a good percentage that would vote for Charles Manson if he paraded around carrying a cross and said he was against abortion.
she's gonna have to be proven a secretly muslim lesbian to make the religious wingers stay home.
in Trig's case, she would be lying to cover up a daughter's mistake, having followed in the mother's footsteps. palin would be seen as being a parent trying to help her daughter live a regular life. but it would be lying to the public, because she said Trig is her child.
what I want to know is are there photos of how she looked pregnant with the other four kids who are not in question. if she's showing with them, there's no reason, especially with her age, for not showing if she was ever indeed pregnant with Trig.
For example, when the insurance company was billed for doctors' visits, prenatal testing, etc. --- who was the patient/mother? And who is the mother listed on the birth certificate?
If the Guv is listed on insurance and birth cert docs, but this baby was actually the daughter's -- hasn't the Guv broken some laws???
This might be more than salacious rumor-mongering -- it might end up being criminal. That is -- IF the baby is actually the daughter's.
The baby belongs to Bristol and it has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Sarah is just a shitty mother.
And 'Truck'? WTF?
Wake up America!
Sorry, but there is no way this woman has abstained from birth control and now only has five children. Sorry, I absolutely do not believe that and no one else should either. Women with political ambitions like hers do not take chances like that. My mother used three different types of birth control and still had four children, three in consecutive years. If Palin never used birth control she'd be like Mrs. Duggar.
I hope people continue to dig into the truth regarding whether the older child really belongs to the daughter. John, I hope you are able to continue doing what you are doing today. So many lives are at stake here, and so many have been lost. I remember when the U.S. first invaded Iraq, and Riverbend had her blog, and she was aghast that no one was trying to stop the U.S. and she asked "Where is the world?" in wondering how it was allowed to happen. You are doing the right thing. People who tell you otherwise are incurably naive and there are lives at stake if McCain gains the presidency.
As MarshSA noted term pregnancies are actually 37-42 weeks. That leave 3 weeks between DOC (date of conception) and eloping. Assuming she has a 28 day cycle (which can vary, my wife is 40 days), that would leave those 3 weeks to find she's pregnant and eloping.
Possible (major) hole in your theory:
-What if Track was born premature? With modern medical technology & practices babies can survive despite being weeks premature. They just need to spend time in a Neonatal ICU under close care. As MarshSA pointed out, you'll need to find out Track's birth weight.
While I agree that hypocracy should be exposed always, remember she was young then. If I can forgive Obama his own youthful indescretions, I can give Palin a pass here.
There are many ways to discount Palin as a VP pick. I just don't think this one can hold water. I think her current religious & political views are more meaningful to the Conservatives.
Most conservatives won't care about her first child being born out of wedlock, aside from the Christianists. They'll just see a smiling mother of 5 who currently agrees with everything they believe in.
I just think that there are more powerful reasons, among them her stance on the issues you mentioned, that will lead Moderates & Independents to be concerned about Palin and to not vote McCain. The right won't care about any hypocracy.
Speaking of Palin's babies... there are some trying to piece together whether her last child is actually hers. Hey, it's not my theory, but at least they use actual news articles to make the case: http://rockthetruth.blogspot.com/2008/08/palins...
But even if some enlightened Christians don't care, there are plenty who do, and they are allies of Palin and McSame, so it IS an issue and we should discuss it.
August 29, 1988 to April 20, 1989 is 8 months. Being 4 weeks pregnant at her wedding means she probably didn't even know it. So, she had sex with her fiance. Duh
Social conservatives care about OTHER PEOPLE'S sex lives, not their own. In Palin's case, she didn't abort and she married the baby's father so the theocrats and the religious wrong will be fine with it.
There are real issues about Palin - like her positions on just about every issue you care to name - that justify discussion. This is not necessary.
Just wanted to add that I was kept out of First Grade in 1958 because I had "infectious mononucleosis" - but it was 'only' for something like 3 weeks - NOT 4 months! Was it because I was 6 and not 17? Who knows? Being younger, was I also constitutionally 'stronger' than a 17 year old? Who can say?
I remember them calling it "the kissing disease" but I swear I wasn't participating! I stayed at home while my family came and went, living normal lives. I wasn't quarantined, either. I spent my time on the livingroom sofa watching TV and drinking a lot of ginger ale.
Keep it up, Mr. Aravosis! You are needed!
Just look at the story: A 44-year-old woman is pregnant with her fifth child, who she knows will be born with Down Syndrome. In her eighth month, she flies to a business meeting via commercially scheduled airlines. While at the meeting, her water breaks.
She stays at the meeting, and delivers a half-hour speech. Then she goes to the airport, and makes a trip from Texas to Alaska, involving more than seven hours of flights and one airport layover, for a total of more than nine hours. When she gets to Anchorage, where does this woman, who is a high-risk pregnancy by any definition you can imagine, go?
To the best and closest local hospital? Nope. She has her husband drive her another 45 minutes to some backwoods community hospital, where she delivers a 6 pound, 2 ounce child a month premature.
Come on, John. I realize that you're not familiar with childbirth and the mechanics, or at least I don't think you are. Neither am I. So, just to be sure, I went and asked some of my female friends who are. Every single one of them said that story is a crock. Yet, neither AmericaBlog, nor DailyKos, nor HuffingtonPost, etc., will talk much about this. When they do, the discussion is buried.
I find this phenomenal. Talk about being divorced from the public. The circumstances of Trig Palin's birth has been a fertile ground for gossip and speculation in Alaska since the moment it was announced. John, you were an aide to Ted Stevens. Did they keep you in a cage in Washington, or did you ever go to Alaska? Did you make any connection there? If you did, you'd know what I'm talking about.
So tell me, why is this topic so suddenly taboo on the websites of the left?
HOWEVER... there are some really interesting things surrounding that last child. So far, no one has produced a photo of Sarah Palin where she is really physically showing. The photos of her at the 6-month point really don't show any sign of pregnancy. Her oldest daughter was out of school for 4 to 5 months with a supposed severe case of mono that just happened to last through the pregnancy. Palin didn't actually announce the pregnancy until the 7th month, but how the heck could she hide such a thing especially since she's normally a slender woman?
Now if any of this gets debunked or someone can produce a picture of a very pregnant Sarah Palin during her last pregnancy, I'll dismiss these rumors as nonsense. But until then, something just sounds a bit fishy....
The child is obviously the love child of Sarah Palin and an ET. The normal rules do not apply and only top military and intelligence officers know anything about alien gestation.
Palin could be an alien...part of a deal brokered with the alien species to get one of "them" at the head of the Earth's most powerful government...it is the only reasonable conclusion.
I'm still going to go with my personal rule of thumb.
If it's a republican involved in whiff of scandal time will generally prove that the republican was, indeed, involved in the nefarious situation. Without fail.
This should become a HUGE talking point. No part of Palin's story checks out sufficiently. Palin should be asked to explain this constantly until the truth is revealed. I also feel the same way about McCain, that he should answer whether or not he has been involved in a sexual affair with another woman during the time he has been married to his second wife.
But I'm funny that way.
What are you talking about?
THIS thread has nothing to do with the TRIG Palin question, which is much more significant.
THIS thread goes into detail on a very silly, old story involving no lies.
With TRIG, you have a prospective VP lying about a recent birth, possibly shaming her daughter to hide a pregnancy for her own political benefit, basking in the fake memes of "mother of five", "governing state while giving birth", and bashing the rest of us for our contraception/abortion choices and family values
You moonbats sure make life interesting, you do!
-jwc-
Moral conservatives take a structured, logical approach that follows a consistent path toward a defined objective. This approach is in deep opposition to the aimless moral wanderings of the Godless left. Our values remain rigid and our mercy and forgiveness are reserved for those who are truly contrite.
We expect righteous people to make mistakes, but we also expect them to own their mistakes, demonstrate sincere remorse, indicate that they have learned and grown in wisdom, and make better decisions as they progress in life.
I must also correct your assertion that “(Palin) was chosen because the dems passed on a woman and the republicans decided to try to exploit that. Whether they admit it or not it IS the case.” Ha, ha, ha…this IS the case…you arrogant ass…you are obviously ignorant of the very strong female leadership positons that Mcain has consistently supported: Carly Fiorina is a top aide and was on the short list of VP candidates as is you Meg Whitman. Your gripe seems to be against the GOP and their poor record of according power to women – please reply with a female Democrat that has enjoyed the power and prestige of Condi Rice…and while we stoop to playing the disadvantaged card….name a negro that has enjoyed the power and prestige of Colin Powell. Reply…I dare you…and then stop wasting our time with your ignorant ranting.. Stick to the facts man, the record speaks for itself.
All current members of the Congressional Black Caucus are Democrats. This article talks about the 5 most influential African Americans in the Clinton Administration: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:dgYeryBVT-...
Also, I agree that I don't care whether Sara Palin had premarital sex or not, but if she did, the fact that she is advocating abstinence does make her seem a bit hypocritical. To tell you the truth, she reminds me a lot of Bush, someone who isn't knowledgeable enough to lead America. Did anyone hear her statement about Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac being too costly for the taxpayers, making it clear that she did not realize that those are both private entities? Read #2 in this article: http://www.alternet.org/election08/98228/8_more...
I had my first child, a son, after being married for 3 years. He arrived 6 weeks early but still weighed over 6 lbs. and came home after 4 days. My second child, a girl, was born 5 weeks early--also 6 lbs. My third child, a son, was born 4 weeks early and at 7 lbs. You get the picture. My 4 th child was only 3 weeks early but 8 lbs. My OB said every woman is different and some have much shorter gestations. He couldn't explain it but sees it quite often. None of my kids were termed "preemie" because their lungs were mature.
Go down to the estimated due date and put in April 20, 2009. It will then tell you that as of today's date, September 2, you are 7 weeks one day pregnant. This means she was approximately SIX weeks (plus a day or more) pregnant when they eloped, not one month. if Track was born on his due date. BTW, first time mothers are more likely to go past their due dates rather than the other way around if the mother is healthy.
This is about right, a woman misses her period then at six weeks in 1988 was the earliest possible time to be tested for pregnancy . They eloped, that is NOT the issue.
What is important is that this woman thinks that marriage even for her own seventeen year old daughter impregnated by a self-described f--g redneck now eighteen year old is the best option in these cases. Furthermore she is for abstinence (obviously didn't work in either one of these cases-like mother like daughter), no sex education, over-turning Roe V. Wade.
Palin was not chosen because she is a woman, she was chosen because she is the RIGHT woman to appeal to the anti-abortion Evangelical right, the precise crowd that wasn't happy with McCain.
If she remains on the ticket she will bring that voting block out in droves. McCain already received a surge in campaign donations with her nomination. The fact that she has NO foreign policy experience makes no difference whatsoever because the anti-abortion crowd have over-turning Roe v. Wade at the TOP of their list.
By the way, Time had an interesting article that she brought abortion into her MAYORAL campaign.
Yesterday she trotted out her 5 month pregnant seventeen year old daughter who is doing the "right thing" in these people's minds, now she can say the same for herself.
However, Sarah Palin has NO RIGHT telling others what they can and cannot do in similar cases but it is obvious it is at the top of her agenda. "Abstinence hypocrite" or not. (remember, there's the "none are perfect" fall back ALWAYS)
Think about it and perhaps it will become more clear to you. Hopefully you too can learn and grow.
The moral compass of the right is a guide that we try our best to follow...we often fail but we dust ourselves off and resume our moral course. Our aim is true, our values do not change. When we err, we own our mistakes and try to resume the moral path in spite of our mistakes.
You who wander aimlessly, lacking a moral standard will never understand our intentional course nor can you understand the bond that we share with each other. We steer a rightous path littered with human err and weakness of will...and obstructed by the morally lost that either blindly wander in our way or interntionally obstruct us...out of jealously, contempt, or misguided judgement and ignorance.
We will stay the course...we will live and die by our convictions, and when the offender is contrite, we will continue to forgive each other.
Palin was married (eloped) on August 29, 1988. Her eldest son Track was born on April 20, 1989. The human gestation period is 40 weeks (not 38). If Palin got pregnant on her wedding night AND the pregnancy went full-term Track would have been born in early June, 1989. He could have been a preemy (44 days early), but he would have had a very low birth weight. What did he weigh? How long was he in the hospital? Answers to these questions would provide additional clues. But add the elopement into the mix and it becomes pretty obvious that she was pregnant when she married. Would an ex-beauty queen forego a lavish wedding with a fancy dress and the chance to be queen for the day, etc.? I don't think so. Personally I don't care if she conceived 10 kids before she was married - but the hypocrisy is infuriating for a number of reasons.
So givng Palin the benefit of the doubt that she conceived on the exact night of her elopement August 29, 1988, her LMP would have been approximately 8/15. Subtract three months and you are left with 5/15. Add a week and the due date would have been 5/22. And since most first time moms go over by about a week, well....you do the math. Our 'little miss abstinence" was more likely than not, knocked up by the time she eloped. She is a hypocrite and she is just an average person like everybody else, and average people have sex. Married or not. Sex is a drive. A biological function that ensures survival of the species. Clearly she herself didn't practice abstinence, nor did her daughter who presumably was raised from the cradle to practice "abstinence" only. For God's sake lady, teach both birth control and abstinence. Your daughter is not a slut nor a paragon of virtue. She is a person with a real sex drive and had she had access to birth control, maybe she wouldn't be in this predicament. Once peple in this country stop attributing judgment and shame to a biological function (like breathing, eating and urinating, sex is something we all do) we will be a lot better off.
Whether or not Ms. Palin "had to get married" is no one's business. The valid point is that she chose to marry and she chose to continue her pregnancy. The operative word is CHOSE. She had a choice, a legal and safe choice. Her daughter at age 17 also has a choice. However, Ms Palin promotes adoption as a preferable choice. Is it her daughter's choice to marry at 17 and become a mother? That is her business however, once again the operative word is CHOICE. Ms. Sarah Palin has established the position to remove choice from all females in the United States based upon her own religious belief.
Regarding her experience to become the person one heartbeat away from a 72 year old President with a history of melanoma -- The story of the Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind. Keep saying it and saying it and the gullible portion of this country will begin to admire those new clothes even though the Emperor is stark naked!