AMERICAblog: Schumer urges Obama to hit back harder
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Oh yes, and here's why. If you have a friend, and he does something bad, how do you respond? Probably something like, "Oh, he had a bad day," or "Oh, he's wasn't really himself when he did that," etc. And what if you enemy does something good, how do you react? Probably: "He's still an asshole!"
Once you're set in stone, you're set in stone. That's why Dukakis and Kerry couldn't recover. McCain is trying to set Obama in stone. He takes this lightly at his own--and our--peril.
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· 1 year ago
After much consideration, I think the Obama campaign should begin hitting back with everything they've got, which is McShrub's record. And not just one ad, and then wait and see how it plays. I mean one after another after another. Blowing and going, ripping and running with them.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
I agree. The vicious attacks are an effort to define Obama, before the convention, and before he introduces himself to the nation.
Obama has to fight back. Kerry and Gore were made into caricatures. Gore was made into a serial exaggerater, and Kerry an elitist. The irony is, brainless Americans, bought it, and voted for the corrupt, frat boy, who thinks that looking for WMD's in the Wh, whilst our troops were being killed, was a huge joke, and that making gas companies richer is the best economic policy. Obama HAS to learn from past mistakes made by other Democratic candidates. Obama has the funds, and one of the smartest campaign teams, and hopefully, when the time is right, they will start counter attacking.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
When the time is right? That time is now.
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
Anyone watching this on CNN, Russia has invaded Georgia. Apparently some planes have already been shot down and American forces are "counting heads" to account for US personal.
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· 1 year ago
What the fuck are there any of our troops in Georgia?
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
I know GG. I was wondering that too. It was interesting to hear the announcer state the US was "counting heads" to account for everyone. Then they described Georgia as "a close ally of the US."
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
This is what happens when you invade a country, like Iraq, by lying and saying its all going to be a "cake walk." We can't fight a war on THREE fronts, and Russia knows it. Bu$h deserves Leavenworth.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
gas and oil pipeline!!! its always about the money, my friend!
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· 1 year ago
It really is amazing how they wont do what we tell them to do. It's not like we don't know the average American better than any consultant in DC. We know them very closely every fucking day.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Be careful what you wish for: this capitulating DINO has done more than most to undermine the Democratic Party in the Senate. Obama should steer clear of this guy.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
"I thought the Britney Spears ad was very powerful." What Chucky SHOULD have said was: "I thought the Britney Spears ad diminished Sen McCain and was stupid and vile." Don't praise the ratfuckers, Chucky, condemn them!
flashcard
· 1 year ago
I would go after McCain on what he considers to be his strong suit, veteran affairs. McCain's voting record with veterans has been abysmal. And no one from the Obama camp seems to take any interest in this key issue.
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· 1 year ago
la la la Kerry campaign again.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Amazing, the complacency. It's like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown again and again. When will Democrats learn?
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I've e-mailed the Obama campaign on the very topic too. That would be going for the jugular.
RevDrBillyBob
· 1 year ago
SCHUMER is a-sayin' . . . "hit harder" ? YIKES. How drunk WAS he when he said this ? He's been one of this Administration's most reliable allies. . . . . Ah thank Ah'd better go lie down fer awhile. . . ..
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Right: Chucky (along with Feinstein and Specter) has been of Bush's Chief Enablers--he talks tough, but walks wuss.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
he needs to apologize for helping confirm Mukasey and go from there. i guess he is ready for rehab and wants obama to be his sponsor.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
I sent Shummmmmer a very terse worded email. Suffice it to say, it had some expletives, including, but not limited to:
STFU!!!
Think he'll read it? Maybe his sycophant office will forward it to him??
Doesn't matter, felt good writing it!!
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I am not a constituent of his so I didn't think I'd get through. I sent my expletives undeleted comments to the DNC instead and ask them to forward them. They do specify that your message will get to the right person..
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Harder doesn't mean "mean"
To me, harder means hitting with "damning facts"
Facts that are clean,concise,short and name the day,hour,minute and place the lie was told by the opponent.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Indeed. There's a ton of factual ads that could be produced that would destroy McCain.
ron071
· 1 year ago
Yes, Philip Graham; Actual video clips with his own words will be more than sufficient to sink him. I can think of at least three examples of McCain showing his deer- in -the- headlights mentality. He will be ruined by a repeated showing of HIS OWN INCOMPETENCE. Bring on the actual McSame!
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
That's where having "35 years of experience" doesn't always work. Obama needs to bring up the Keating Five, McCain's dismal record for veterans besides himself, and so on.
Dianne_in_DC
· 1 year ago
Once the debates start Obama should have it made. I'm actually more worried about the Clintons.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Kerry was widely regarded as the winner of al three debates with Bush. Didn't matter--he'd already been defined by the Swiftboaters.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm worried about them, too. Especially after seeing that clip of Hillary. Its infuriating to see the enabling media who fed Hillary's delusional followers the lie she still could "win" when the primaries were so obviously over, still try to sew the seeds of discord. The right wing media is salivating over any kind of "problem" at the Democratic Convention. You'll hear crickets about the RECORD number of protesters at the Republican get together, but just watch the shrill screaming over any kind of small controversy in Denver...
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· 1 year ago
The Clintons are like the old English adage; We often hate those we've wronged. That's what I totally get from Bill Clinton.
ron071
· 1 year ago
The Clintons are discrediting themselves with each slick attempt at discord. How sad that they practice a rule or ruin philosophy.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
War criminal, Bolton, says Iran will be better off with regime change.
I see red lights all over....sounds like deja vu, these SOBs will not leave without messing another country, and killing innocent people. Will the American people, and Congress look the other way again?
I think the Republicans have boxed themselves into a corner though. When Bush was doing all his saber rattling over Iran, the price of oil went through the roof because of war speculation. Now as the election approaches, big oil wants to reduce the pump price temporarily to get McCain in, but if the Republicans start promulgating war again, the prices will shoot up again.
gaiilonfong
· 1 year ago
DLC Shumer should STFU....he hasn't been able to make the Senate Dem's a cohesive group, why should Obama listen to his advise
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Because his advice is correct.
gaiilonfong
· 1 year ago
Obama knows what he is doing DLC Shumer doesn't know jack about winning anything. When Obama needs to lay a smackdown he will, like he did to Hillpatine and racist Bill he will do it to McBush!
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
The problem with your comment is that it refers to future events. Obama should have responded by now. In 2004 Kerry waited to respond, and lost. In 1988, Dukakis hesitated to respond, and lost.
Republicans, apparently, know history . . .
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Not coming from him its not!!!!! If I were Obama i would reply, he chuuk, please tell me again why mukasey is our attorney general?? How's that working for ya???
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Yes, Schumer was a complete idiot about the Mukasy nomination. His advice about fighting back, however, remains sound, and he is not the only one recommending this, far from it.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
One problem I've had with Obama and crew from day one was the undeserving nice things they have said about McClown. There was no need to talk endlessly about what a "true hero" he was when there are plenty of actual Viet Nam vets who don't think he was. Hell, it should take ONE Viet Nam veteran who says he wasn't what he says he was to just remain SILENT on the subject. Our party needs to stop with the gushing praise of our enemies, and bloody some noses. Its the only thing those Americans who wear ignorance as a badge of honor respect.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Yeah, yeah...Everyone knows Chuckie has a mean set of sharp steel teeth...And, he's dutifully performed the Sunday yak thing for Senator Obama since he won the nomination...But, remembering those sharp steel teeth and the power of full majority, it doesn't compute that all of Schumer's toothiness would fail to deploy...Of course, its August and who showcases a new product in August, huh???
Sage24
· 1 year ago
I have a strong feeling that the rethugs will try to steal the momentum from Obama, after his big acceptance speech, by either starting some sort of terror alert (like they did during Kerry's convention speech), or distract the nation with some meaningless event. Obama rating will soar after the convention, and I am sure they will try, yet again, to bring him down.
This is the only way they know how to win. Their candidate will pale in comparision to Obama, and the difference will be obvious.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
OMG Sage24, been thinking the exact same thing the last couple of weeks. I would not be surprised if there is some sort of 'undisclosed threat' the day of or day after Obama's speech...that's the only thing they know, release bad news on a Friday, or cover up good news with some sort of distraction...
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Great minds think alike. The day after Kerry's speech, they put out some kind of alert, and any momentum Kerry had, was lost.
Dirty, Rethuglican, tactics.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
OMG...I love this first sentence about McCain's humor attack. CNN.com
"Forget the Karl Rove playbook. For the past few weeks, Sen. John McCain's team seems to have been working from the equally brutal Don Rickles manual of presidential politics."
Don Rickles.
LOL
That is so 30 years ago.
LOL
jr
· 1 year ago
Obama needs to get revenge for Carol McCain
catty
· 1 year ago
Why would Schumer not call Obama's campaign personally ,instead of the newspapers. Don't the democrats realize the conservative media needs ratings,and fodder to stoke their base. Dog whiste~ coming from democrats about their own,pure stupidity. I'm beginning to wonder if Obama's own party understands what change he's talking about!
GrMtGirl
· 1 year ago
[Harder doesn't mean "mean"
To me, harder means hitting with "damning facts"
Facts that are clean,concise,short and name the day,hour,minute and place the lie was told by the opponent.]
I definitely agree with this statement and I do believe that the Obama Campaign has this strategy in their plans but are holding off until after the Convention which really is the official opening of the General Election.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
McCain didn't wait. Why in the world should Obama?
See: Dukakis, Kerry.
ron071
· 1 year ago
Sen. Schumer has a valid point which I'm sure will be seriously considered by the excellent Obama campaign folks. However, I would suggest that Chuck Schumer and many other surrogates start THEIR involvement with hitting back. Why have THEY been so reticent? Sen Kerry and Gen. Clark have consistently been out there fighting but what about Schumer and the others?
Smarmy
· 1 year ago
Schumer gets his marching orders from the Clintons. This is an attempt to publicly stain Obama. When are we democrats going to say "enough" to these miserable Clintons and put them to sleep?
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Schumer gets his marching orders from the Clintons. ------------------------
Interesting little factoid....
burro
· 1 year ago
The message I just left at Obama '08 website:
Please do not make me sorry that I voted for Mr. Obama rather than Ms. Clinton because Mr. Obama is too nice or too high minded to take the fight to McBush. McBush is getting away with far too much in defining himself as some kind of maverick and defining Mr. Obama as a "celebrity". It's ludicrous and McBush is a sitting duck that isn't being adequately focused on. I don't believe that the discussion has to go in the gutter do provide an honest assessment of who McBush is. Truthfulness is paramount. Whatever is said must be accurate, verifiable and above the belt. But that is easily possible. McBush is a weak candidate and for better or worse, he's an elderly guy who really isn't sharp enough to be president. It is relevant.
I appreciate Mr. Obama's intellectual skills. I appreciate his youth and energy and his lovely intelligent wife and fine family. But he's got to win this election and I want to see him and Axlerod and Plouffe kick some butt. Really. There's only 2.5 months until this election happens and it's time for Mr. Obama to show he's got what it takes to TAKE this election. I don't want some 51/49 squeaker. I don't want a corrupt Supreme Court sorting out this election. We know the end of that story.
It's time to take the resources that Mr. Obama has gathered and use them to really beat John McBush. I want to see Barack Obama really win this election. He's said he wants it. He's gone through a hell of a lot to get the nomination. It's time to close the deal. I don't care if McBush is diminished or even demolished. If RepubCo had a better situation to work with they would pound the opposition into a pulp with everything they had. And they are already doing better than they deserve with some very, very, very stupid stuff.
Your comments are perfect and are my sentiments exactly. I changed from Hillary to Obama in the primary because I thought her campaign was awful. Granted, it was mostly other people (including her husband) who I thought were being despicable, however, at the end of the day, SHE is responsible for her campaign. Same for Obama, being nice is very appropriate - AT A TEA PARTY. He needs to take off the gloves and kick ass - I completely agree with Schumer on this issue.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Burro said: "...I don't want some 51/49 squeaker. I don't want a corrupt Supreme Court sorting out this election. We know the end of that story. "
LOVE what you said!
I'm off to send my comments as well. Maybe that's what they need, is to hear from "us", supporters, who want him to come out swinging. Recharge in Hawaii and come out fighting.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Will someone in the senate please KICK SOME REPUKE ASS AROUND!!!! I WANNA SEE FIST-O-CUFFS ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE!!!!!! SUCKER PUNCH THESE MO'FO'S - CASUE THEY BEEN DOIN IT TO THE DEMS FOR YEARS!!!
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
Well, you may know Schumer personally, but I think it was terrible that Schumer went to the press over this even if he had tried to talk to Obama personally. If anything, if Schumer were a loyal Democrat, he would be out there kicking McCain's ass himself, but you see, this is what Wesley Clark did for Obama and look where it's landed him, bashed by one and all for it and apparently dropped from VP consideration. It's called surrogates. And for Schumer who made it a cakewalk for Mukasey to get in as AG to talk about not hitting back hard enough!
All the Democrats including Obama have treated McCain with kid gloves, and they need to stop it right now. McCain's even made an ad of quotes from Democrats praising him, ending with Hillary Clinton saying McCain has 35 years of experience and Obama just a speech he gave in blah, blah, blah. Today McCain has an ad claiming people will lose their life savings under Obama. In addition to pointing out that most people don't have life savings (except the rich) because of the Republicans, the Democrats need to bring out the Keating Five. Find some people who actually lost their pensions and life savings because of McCain. And find some real veterans whom our "National Veteran" has not served at all.
Oldnovice
· 1 year ago
I think people are overreacting. The Obama campaign knows what it's doing, IMO. Their new brand of politics doesn't include slinging mud after mud has been slung. It can't and still be considered "above the fray". However, it CAN fight back using Obama's method of making fun of the mud slinging. He does that well and people who want to discuss issues and are tired of mud slinging welcome his approach.
I can't say that I always understand the methodology of the Obama campaign, but I've learned to trust it because it works. They don't expect to see great poll results until closer to the election, after the ground game has established a presence in all 50 states. I understand that people don't want to stay silent, but maybe you could have a one-on-one with Axelrod, John, get a feel for the campaign's logic and (without giving away details) report back with any changed confidence level. They're confident; some of you aren't.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Schumer: "...currently promoting the paperback edition of his book "Positively American."
Schumer: Self-serving, Bush-enabling SOB.
josie
· 1 year ago
Schumer need's to STFU, where was his BALLS during the Attorney General nomination hearing. Oh I forgot, he does'nt have any.
All Comments
Once you're set in stone, you're set in stone. That's why Dukakis and Kerry couldn't recover. McCain is trying to set Obama in stone. He takes this lightly at his own--and our--peril.
Obama has to fight back. Kerry and Gore were made into caricatures. Gore was made into a serial exaggerater, and Kerry an elitist. The irony is, brainless Americans, bought it, and voted for the corrupt, frat boy, who thinks that looking for WMD's in the Wh, whilst our troops were being killed, was a huge joke, and that making gas companies richer is the best economic policy. Obama HAS to learn from past mistakes made by other Democratic candidates. Obama has the funds, and one of the smartest campaign teams, and hopefully, when the time is right, they will start counter attacking.
STFU!!!
Think he'll read it? Maybe his sycophant office will forward it to him??
Doesn't matter, felt good writing it!!
To me, harder means hitting with "damning facts"
Facts that are clean,concise,short and name the day,hour,minute and place the lie was told by the opponent.
I see red lights all over....sounds like deja vu, these SOBs will not leave without
messing another country, and killing innocent people. Will the American people, and Congress look the other way again?
The war drums are slowly being beaten again.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/06/bolton-stab...
Republicans, apparently, know history . . .
This is the only way they know how to win. Their candidate will pale in comparision to Obama, and the difference will be obvious.
Dirty, Rethuglican, tactics.
"Forget the Karl Rove playbook. For the past few weeks, Sen. John McCain's team seems to have been working from the equally brutal Don Rickles manual of presidential politics."
Don Rickles.
LOL
That is so 30 years ago.
LOL
To me, harder means hitting with "damning facts"
Facts that are clean,concise,short and name the day,hour,minute and place the lie was told by the opponent.]
I definitely agree with this statement and I do believe that the Obama Campaign has this strategy in their plans but are holding off until after the Convention which really is the official opening of the General Election.
See: Dukakis, Kerry.
------------------------
Interesting little factoid....
Please do not make me sorry that I voted for Mr. Obama rather than Ms. Clinton because Mr. Obama is too nice or too high minded to take the fight to McBush. McBush is getting away with far too much in defining himself as some kind of maverick and defining Mr. Obama as a "celebrity". It's ludicrous and McBush is a sitting duck that isn't being adequately focused on. I don't believe that the discussion has to go in the gutter do provide an honest assessment of who McBush is. Truthfulness is paramount. Whatever is said must be accurate, verifiable and above the belt. But that is easily possible. McBush is a weak candidate and for better or worse, he's an elderly guy who really isn't sharp enough to be president. It is relevant.
I appreciate Mr. Obama's intellectual skills. I appreciate his youth and energy and his lovely intelligent wife and fine family. But he's got to win this election and I want to see him and Axlerod and Plouffe kick some butt. Really. There's only 2.5 months until this election happens and it's time for Mr. Obama to show he's got what it takes to TAKE this election. I don't want some 51/49 squeaker. I don't want a corrupt Supreme Court sorting out this election. We know the end of that story.
It's time to take the resources that Mr. Obama has gathered and use them to really beat John McBush. I want to see Barack Obama really win this election. He's said he wants it. He's gone through a hell of a lot to get the nomination. It's time to close the deal. I don't care if McBush is diminished or even demolished. If RepubCo had a better situation to work with they would pound the opposition into a pulp with everything they had. And they are already doing better than they deserve with some very, very, very stupid stuff.
It's time. It is time.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
Don't let the REPUKES frame the issues!!!!!!
Same for Obama, being nice is very appropriate - AT A TEA PARTY. He needs to take off the gloves and kick ass - I completely agree with Schumer on this issue.
LOVE what you said!
I'm off to send my comments as well. Maybe that's what they need, is to hear from "us", supporters, who want him to come out swinging. Recharge in Hawaii and come out fighting.
All the Democrats including Obama have treated McCain with kid gloves, and they need to stop it right now. McCain's even made an ad of quotes from Democrats praising him, ending with Hillary Clinton saying McCain has 35 years of experience and Obama just a speech he gave in blah, blah, blah. Today McCain has an ad claiming people will lose their life savings under Obama. In addition to pointing out that most people don't have life savings (except the rich) because of the Republicans, the Democrats need to bring out the Keating Five. Find some people who actually lost their pensions and life savings because of McCain. And find some real veterans whom our "National Veteran" has not served at all.
I can't say that I always understand the methodology of the Obama campaign, but I've learned to trust it because it works. They don't expect to see great poll results until closer to the election, after the ground game has established a presence in all 50 states. I understand that people don't want to stay silent, but maybe you could have a one-on-one with Axelrod, John, get a feel for the campaign's logic and (without giving away details) report back with any changed confidence level. They're confident; some of you aren't.
Schumer: Self-serving, Bush-enabling SOB.