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Prop 8 Protest at the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Temple in Manhattan
Event Date
Wednesday, November 12 2008 : 6:00pm – 8:00pm
Location
New York Manhattan Mormon Temple
125 Columbus Ave at 65th Street
New York, NY
See map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=125+Col...
The Manhattan New York Temple was the second temple built in the state of New York, following the Palmyra New York Temple (2000).
The Manhattan New York Temple was the third temple built from an existing building, following the Vernal Utah Temple (1997) and the Copenhagen Denmark Temple (2004).
The widely publicized public open house of the Manhattan New York Temple was attended by over 53,000 guests.
i won't support hate
I live in Utah and they are very "in your face" about their beliefs. They call Native people "lamenites" based on their fairy tale book. They try to legislate their religion on everyone. The Mormon run companies promote male mormon men over anyone whether their qualified for the jobs or not. Their kids are snotty and instructed not to play with any non mormons at school, etc. The list goes on and on and on. So, yeah their hitting a little closer to home with their home grown bigotry.
Oh wait, that's you.
Maybe if Mormons would treat non-members with some respect instead of looking down their nose with a rotten sneer and then act like pompous asses then people would be more sympathetic towards them. Just a thought.
The same was true of the other hotels I worked at (Westin, Sheraton, Four Seasons).
Oh, and by the way: Marriott, along with the other big name hotels, are one of the biggest distributors of porn in the US. The hotels in the more enlightened cities also have gay porn available. Not that there's anything wrong with porn in my book, but if we're going to try to claim a moral high ground, you gotta expect to be scrutinized.
He also informed a local Marriott that the University is moving a diversity conference that is scheduled to be held there in the near future - they didn't appreciate the irony of Marriott hosting a conference on diversity, I guess.
Mary-rot would fold without its horde of 'moes going all super anal retentive in their establishments much less the ones paying for service.
Big Bill can't smell the continental breakfast coffee.
Mebbe celeb endorsements from Rush, Vannity and post op trannie Mann could steer the winger hillbilly crowd from crashing while parked at rest stops to the nearest family-oriented Mary-rot???
I felt the same way when all of the anti-Hillary vitriol was going on here during the primary. It was so unproductive and hysterical and got us nowhere. As I predicted back then, Obama won by a landslide so it was a complete waste of time to freak out about Hillary every five seconds - it created division that still hasn't healed. That time could have been better spent educating people and fighting against Prop 8.
Bottom line, I am uncomfortable with the level of vitriol that has been displayed on this site since the election. It just seems counter-productive. I am very angry too most mostly I am sad and disheartened and want things to change. I am fine with boycotting large donors to Yes on Prop 8 to send a message but ultimately I am not okay with bashing an entire group because that is no better than what they are doing to us.
The Catholics insist that they haven't done anything rude because Catholic Charities does good works. That is not a false claim, they do. The dragging in of one thing to justify willfull malice in another matter is unacceptable. Period.
Was it the Queen of Hearts who said, "Off with their heads!"?
RON
And in support of your second point, Alameda county has the highest percentage per capita of blacks of any county in California. Yet Alameda county was one of the strongest voting against 8. I'm certain that poll isn't accurate.
prop h8
Other brand name hotel chains that are Marriot owned
Ritz-Carlton
Towne Place Suites
Fairfield Inn-Suites
Gonna mess with my state, I'll mess with theirs.
I truly find it hard to believe that a majority of voters who voted for Obama voted Yes on 8. I heard this being talked about on the Gayle King show this morning and it made me think more about it.
And those were funded almost 80% by the Mormons.
And at some point, if it gets serious enough, I"m sure they will find another 'revelation' that gays are people too.
marriage is a secular thing the licensing and rights of marriage are given to us by the STATES and federal govt
marriage and family were around a lot longer than your xian religions -- so are you telling me that all the native american people that didn't have religion and churches and xianity never were married either??
what about me? i didnt get married in a church, dont go to church, am i not married now??
the CHURCH runs nothing in our govts -- our constitution was very clear on that -- if you want a church running how u live your life, why not go to a really religious country and have at it
btw, give me your address so i can come by to be sure you're being a good xian at all times or i will ask our govt to deny you rights -- you ever lie? if so, you're a sinner, you're immoral, liars shouldn't be able to be married. god was very specific about bearing false witness ....
That's an awful lot of dough from one source.
Marriott, I have enjoyed staying in your hotels over the years for business and pleasure. No more. My wife and I will never stay at your hotels until you have a major change in attitude and will publicly renounce the Mormon Church's gross violation of the most basic human rights, the right to pursue happiness.
Marriott Hotels, welcome to a long list of businesses that are on my boycott list.
This is how true capitalism works - vote with your wallet. Hit 'em where it hurts.
funny, you say religous rights and freedoms are what this country was built on -- and for someone to not hate someone else for their freedoms and yet you want to take the side of the very people that USE RELIGION to keep others down and deny them THEIR FREEDOMS
i swear to god, you people are fucking crazy -- it's no wonder u people have to believe in a fairytale to make your lives have meaning
Even in this article you say that the Mormons are trying to push their beliefs on others and condemn them for it, yet the gay and lesbian agenda is to push their beliefs on the general public and make the general public accept their lifestyle. That is hypocritical. Sorry, but just like I don't have to accept the Mormon religion I don't have to accept the lifestyle agenda of gays and lesbians.
duh.
your first mis-belief is that the bible is something we should follow and that their is a god in the first place -- and even if there was, i aint interested
2ndly and more importantly, AMERICA is NOT A XIAN NATION -- our forefathers SAID SO, it's in our constitution and marriage licenses and the benefits that are given to married couples are not given nor dictated by any CHURCH...
equal rights are guaranteed under our constitution -- and guess what, i'm sure thousands of gay people fought and died for the very freedoms that our consitution gives haters like yourself....
We don't need or want your tepid support. Good bye.
You are just like the thousands of letters to the editor that come in that say, "I've switched my party affilitation from Democrat to Republican because Obama was so hateful to the war hero John McCain", The only difference is with those asshats a simple review of public records will show that they have been life-long Republicans but with you you can hide in the obscurity of the internet.
Sorry sweetheart, I'm just not buying it. But just in case you're for real, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I think its possible that a lot of "low knowledge" voters might have done the same thing. People may have voted Yes on Prop 8, assuming they were voting Yes on gay marriage. If it is called the "gay marriage amendment", I think it is perfectly plausible that people might make that assumption.
Its unfortunate, but a few stupid, yet well meaning people may have been the deciding factor.
Now remember that youtube video below?
I'll give you an example. I'm a psychologist. Let's say for argument's sake that one of my patients works in the hotel industry. The parent company of his hotel also owns a hotel in Utah. By your logic, because his business "enriches" the parent company, and because through my work with him I help him function better in his job (thereby also enriching the company), not only his hotel but my practice should be boycotted because we're all indirectly helping increase the LDS church's income (that Utah hotel undoubtedly employs Mormons, after all).
Boycotting Marriott for no other reason than it's head is a Mormon, DESPITE the company's PERFECT RATING in its dealings with LGBT issues, is exactly what you don't want to do in this situation. Here's a guy who's bucking the trend of his church to do what's right: treat us with dignity and fairness. If we punish him despite his business choices, what message does that send to other businesses?
Again, let's be clear: Bill Marriott didn't donate to Prop 8. Even if he tithes to the LDS church, that money didn't go to Prop 8 either. It was the donations of individual members of the church (as well as of many others) that funded the initiative. Even if Bill Marriott quit the LDS church that apparently wouldn't cut if for you, since as you point out, "people on his staff, who run some of his hotels" contributed to Prop 8. Well, if the new standard for doing business with a company is ironclad proof that not a single employee contributed to Prop 8 (or, I might suggest, voted for it), then good luck with that.
Make no mistake: there's nobody angrier about what Prop 8 has done to my community than I am. But there are much better and more effective ways of responding than misguided and misdirected boycotts of companies that had nothing to do with its passage. Enough with the histrionics, man. THINK!
This pressure on the religious pocketbook works for me.
and I as a married hetero will be boycotting Marriott too and every other single anti-gay organization or outfit there is
the message it sends is that when you are in the position of power and stand by and DO NOTHING you are just as guilty of those that do
i guess everyone should just be quiet, it's not like anybody's civil rights were messed with
Payback's a bitch cult boy!
Your a hyprocrite and it's not hatred, it's very well justified anger when a so-called "church" can take away a minority groups civil rights.
LIES of the LDS Church
1) Magic hat and rocks
2) Jews settling in Southern America (genetically disproven with DNA testing)
3) Magic underwear
4) That churches will be forced to perform gay marriage
5) That taking someone's civil rights away and discrimination is "democratic"
6) That the Jewish faith will REALLY appreciate you baptizing dead holocaust victims
...
Actually I don't have all day so there's a few off the top of my head.
1. Sacrificing virgins
2. VooDoo ceremonies in the temples
3. Talking white salamanders
4. Every mormon has ten wives
Should I go on?
It's a fact that the LDS faith was required to renounce polygamy in order to be recognized as a statehood.
The ceremonies in the temple are a little cultish and weird. (some of them.)
And, your obviously upset that you can't push your dogma and your religion onto everybody else, which is why your acting so pretentious and pompous.
Wait until the Supreme Court has their say!
But, don't take my word for it! Let's see what the Supreme Court has to say about it.
We'll see if it's allowed to be posted in their comments, but as referenced in my message to corporate, though my metro area is home to more than a half-dozen prominent Mariott Hotels, we are making sure none of our business goes to their facilities and that our guests look elsewhere for their lodging.
Mr. Marriott,
I believe you have missed the mark on this issue entirely. The reason people are upset with you and your company is NOT because of the way you run your business. It is the church you support and their influence in passing such a hateful proposition.
I respect the fact that your company has scored well regarding human rights. I believe that is smart business practice, because you want as big of a customer base as possible. It makes sense to include everyone.
However, what people are disagreeing with is what your church has done, and your lack of resistance to it. You are a successful businessman, and you hold a lot of influence within your church. Any action by you would have been significant. Instead, your inaction has proven to be even more significant.
If you truly believe in these principles of equality that you run your business with, you should have spoken out against your church's actions. Maybe, you should have even donated to the No on Prop 8 campaign.
While I respect everyone's religious beliefs, I do not believe that our law should reflect any bias towards one religion or the next. Surely, you can see that the passage of Prop 8 has violated our basic human rights as Americans.
You have a right to believe what you believe, but your church has decided to try to force their beliefs upon everyone, regardless of their beliefs or religion. And by not doing anything about it, you have shown support for what they have done.
I cannot support you, or your business, while your church spreads hate and you do nothing about it.
Sincerely,
Chris
How many times in our history have folks used the power of peaceful protest, from all ends of the political spectrum, exemplified by a boycott of a business to express displeasure?
I wish you could understand there is a difference between the individual expression and the business expression. Just as we all have the freedom of choice as to how we exercise our franchise, so we have the choice as to how we spend our money and which businesses we care to engage with.
You are talking about targeting a group of people who has done nothing wrong, and stripping them of one of the most basic rights in America, the right to marry.
So you are proud of targeting homosexuals and denying them their fair rights?
Wow. That is absolutely disgusting.
With the economy in such bad shape as it already is, do you really think that a company could survive if nearly half their customers stopped coming to them? They would be forced into some kind of action. Either downsizing their business, or doing something to get their customers back.
The problem with boycotts is not the people who do them, it is the people who don't. If the stakes are high enough, the company will have to fold under the pressure.
The mormons took the commanding lead in fundraising and organizing for prop 8. Every church had donation forms in their foyers. Instructions from the cult leaders were read from the pulpit in EVERY mormon church.
The primary fundraiser for catholics was the knights of Colombus. They raised $1 million. Small change compared to the mormons.
There was a poll out right before the election that had only 1 in 4 mormons in California opposed to removing our civil rights. For people that identified as catholic it was right around 50/50.
"During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — PreservingMarriage.or g — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.
Church elder L. Whitney Clayton, who has been working as a liaison between the LDS leaders and the Proposition 8 campaign, said before the event that it was meant to energize Mormons for the weeks remaining before Election Day."
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You know, when such ignorance is presented, it pretty much invalidates anything else you say.
What I have said is that the mormon church is a cult that is largely responsible for funding deceptive and misleading ads. Leading to the voters of California passing prop 8, an attempt to amend the constitution and strip away our protected civil rights. And that pisses me off. Is that OK with you? Oh, and I have made fun of your funny underwear.
I know there are mormons out there that are as outraged as me over this. I hope they do the right thing. Hell, there are republicans that are outraged by it.
I don't really care if anything I say invalidates anything to you. When the California Supreme Court invalidates this attack on my civil rights I'll quit.
and it's signed by the Mormon "prophet" Thomas Monson"
http://www.affirmation.org/pdf/2008_06_23_first...
He has now matched that donation with one to the Human Rights Campaign.
First - Ewwww...
Second - Why?
Third - Who cares? They're dead.
Sure it's incredibly disrespectful of the individual, their family, and the entire Jewish religion - but going up to a dead Jew and telling him that he's now Mormon...?
Seems kinda like the republican's relationship with "truth". Calling a redneck neanderthal from Crawford, TX a compassionate conservative doesn't make it so.
I don't understand the commotion about this, unless we're talking about the broader picture of Mormons using their religion to abuse, harrass, annoy and then crying about why everyone in the world hates their asses.
Maybe we could go to Mormon graveyards and convert them to scientologists...
So I'm just wondering...
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
do you NOT understand? lying is immoral, missing church is immoral, stealing is immoral, murder is immoral and YET, liars, people that dont go to church, thieves AND murders can all get married -- funny that??
what i really pray for -- is one day to start stripping all religious people of their rights and see how much they like it.
By your logic, the south could have voted to keep slavery and it would be OK. By your logic, Jim Crow was just fine, since the majority wanted it... and it was a crime against them that the Govt. sent in troops to allow schools to be desegregated.
The majority does NOT have the right to vote to limit the rights of minorities just because those rights affect the majority in no way other than to offend their prejudices,
Try to think this through, if you can. If the majority votes to ban churches, are you OK with that? If the majority votes to take away the right of Catholics to vote, are you ok with that? And don't say it's not a fair comparison - if anything, it's unfair the other way, because Catholicism is chosen - homosexuality is not.
It really makes me sick the people who enjoy all their civil rights and then do anything they can to undermine the constitution. I really think people like you should be deported because you have absolutely no respect for what you have.
Now, on another note, I think the greatest mistake that gay-activists have made with this whole thing is to compare this struggle to the struggle of the African-Americans during the 50-60's. You're not winning any African-Americans over with that statement.
We have civil rights for a reason. So, that people can't just be like Hitler. They are people who have a choice the same system that allows you to have the choice and they have rights just like you, whether you like it or not according the the US government and I really hope they win in supreme court.
You are actually helping our argument quite a bit with your comments and posts because even a 6 year old could see the faulty logic with that.
See above comment everybody! This is why we have to stand up now against bigotry!
But I guess we way-underestimated the power of the LDS Church and the wide reach of their money. But now they are going to find out the wide reach of our power and money - and I am not talking about just gays and lesbians. This momma is spittin mad!!
One of many ways my husband and I will channel our rage is with our pocketbook. We are airline people. Airline people travel. Airline people travel a lot. Airline people employ lots and lots of gays and lesbians. And airline people spend lots of money on hotels and restaurants. And I will make it my life’s mission to educate the airline people on who should and should not get our precious dollars, starting with Marriott hotels.
And yes I know, Bill Marriott wrote some weak letter trying to save himself from any blame, but that syrupy, “it’s not my fault” letter just does not cut it for me. And nothing short of a strong statement condemning what his church did and a promise that he will fight with both words and money to undo the harm his church has wrought will change my mind. And I will start by putting my money where my mouth is. My husband and I have been Marriott Rewards members for years. NO MORE. Marriott will not see another damn dime from us ever again. We are extremely loyal patrons. But companies have to earn that loyalty. Bill Marriott will need to do more than write letters to get us back.
The Mormon Church has hurt my family deeply. This is one momma who is spittin mad. No one takes aim at one of my kids with their hate and bigotry and gets away with it – no one!
The mormon church in particular has no idea what they've unleashed.
If it wasn't for our constitution then there'd be one religion and it would be government and nobody would have a choice. Why would anyone want to devolve to that. WHY? It's like let's all go back to being neanderthal man. Are you kidding me? And, it's the same system that protects you assholes from going and preaching magic hats and rocks and making religion be a money making business and now I can talk to Jesus - do you all think that your religion would prevail? No because you'd all be at war with eachother for power if you ever took down this system that allows you freedom of religion, dipshits!!
Why are people so hateful why can't everyone sign that petition for constitutional rights. Why?
But, anyway, I've done my thing and I do take comfort in knowing that when push comes to shove and when religions get really out there, the US government will freakin trump any religion. Believe that! When the Mormons and the Catholics and the whole mess of our society makes our government have to step in then it will be over. finally.
Oh and to answer your dumb ass question before you can ask it. It's also illegal to rape someone, and screw animals, and marry a 4 year old. (and those laws protect rights and not take them away) There! That's just to pre-empt what you were going to say next.
It's all very confusing and arcane, as befits an organization from the middle ages ;-)
They just don't get it. They can't understand why people could possibly be angry that they had their constitutionally protected rights taken away.
Are you saying that the free expression of choice as to how someone chooses to spend their money is immature and disrespectful?
As a 100% disabled veteran I ask you, "Who the heck are you to determine my fitness of marriage?"
and just because you have gay friends doesnt' mean you know what it is like to be gay -- YOU came here and posted YOUR opinion -- nothing more.... you dont get to dictate who is mature or immature enough to be married based on your MORALS... sounds like you're the one that needs to grow up and mature.
Maybe people don't think your fit for the "sacredness" of marriage, did you ever think about that? What if someone came along and told you the same thing based on their cooky "religion".
But just one question: where does it end?
where does it end indeed -- it ends when people in america stop trying to deny other americans equal rights -- DUH??
Move along, troll.
Please cite any passage of the previously existing law that related, not to the issuance of marriage licenses, but would have mandated religious groups to perform a ceremony.
Here's how civil marriage typically works (keep in mind marriage is regulated by each state, so there are 50 sets of rules). The State requires the parties to sign the marriage contract and have a ceremony memoralizing the contract (sort of like a real estate closing). That is it! That is all we are talking about here. People can have their ceremony before a justice of the peace or on the beach with their friends, or what ever they want. It is entirely up to the parties whether they want to make the ceremony memoralizing the wedding religious in nature as there is absolutely no legal requirement that a marriage be religious. If they do wish to have a religious ceremony due to their own beliefs or traditions, then they have to comply with whatever rules and regulations the church in which they wish to be wed requires.
You are beginning to see the clearer picture here. I encourage you to keep learning about the issue.
The homosexual agenda against freedom of religion: tax exempt status stripped from Methodist property in NJ.
If that were the case any business at all could say they were a religion and not pay taxes. Yeah we're the religion of retail sales....
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/comment...
"We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage. "
"During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — PreservingMarriage.or g — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.
Church elder L. Whitney Clayton, who has been working as a liaison between the LDS leaders and the Proposition 8 campaign, said before the event that it was meant to energize Mormons for the weeks remaining before Election Day."
facts
This is the first year that I will not give to KGO Thanksgiving Charities, since the recipients are Catholic organizations.
In this country Money talks.
Equality for all is part of the Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution.
All is fair in love and war. And politics, in which these two religious organizations are not supposed to participate. I am not LGBT but believe in equality for all. Thus I am boycotting by not spending money in Utah, at Marriott, Courtyare Inn, donating to Catholic organizations, etc.
If the Mormons and Catholics want to organize against equality let them pay the price.
As an aside, don't you think the fact that Mr. Marriott himself issued a statement over this speaks at least somewhat to his concern that a boycott may be effective?
Oh and to answer your dumb ass question before you can ask it. It's also illegal to rape someone, and screw animals, and marry a 4 year old. (and those laws protect rights and not take them away) There! That's just to pre-empt what you were going to say next.